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That's a nice late Christmas present for us owners of D-Will in dynasty league.

RB D. Williams Featured Back In 2007?

Pat Yasinskas, Charlotte Observer, Sporting News - [Full Article]

The Panthers' coaching staff will focus on the running game and design their scheme around RB DeAngelo Williams, who will likely be their feature back in 2007.

Do you think this is bull or do you think he'll be "the guy" next year?

 
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Blackjacks said:
Do you think this is bull or do you think he'll be "the guy" next year?
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They just needed to try him out at QB for a little bit before finalizing where to put him, after a few attempts in the shotgun formation, it became apparent that he took off running before looking downfield, so he'll stay at RB.
 
DWilly!!! (still hate that nickname - I don't care if he's been called that since he was five)

Foster's gone, so this has actually likely been in the hopper for the Panthers since mid-season.

Williams will be a nice 2nd/3rd round steal. While folks are taking Reggie Bush and Lawrence Maroney, who will still be mired in some kind of committee/ball sharing, looks for Williams a round later.

 
Finaly looked at the article.

It is only speculation by the reporter saying this so nothing really to conclude.

I do agree with the writers opinion that this is what the Panthers should do and perhaps it is even likely that they will. But there is no news here stating that is indeed the case.

The Panthers will be a much better team next year when thier Oline gets healthy and I would think they should be looking to improve thier line during FA/draft this year as well.

 
Marc Levin said:
DWilly!!! (still hate that nickname - I don't care if he's been called that since he was five)

Foster's gone, so this has actually likely been in the hopper for the Panthers since mid-season.

Williams will be a nice 2nd/3rd round steal. While folks are taking Reggie Bush and Lawrence Maroney, who will still be mired in some kind of committee/ball sharing, looks for Williams a round later.
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How so? He just signed a 3 year deal for 14 million this offseason, leaving 2 years remaining.I dont doubt he will be relegated to the back up next year if DWilly improves his grasp of the NFL offense.

But it would appear the Foster would at least be a solid back up. You thinking traded or cut? Possible.

His contract had 4.5million in bonus money and an additional 3 million in escalators and incentives.

 
DWilly was very inconsistant when he got the chance this year.

I feel a good debunking coming on.

 
DWilly was very inconsistant when he got the chance this year.

I feel a good debunking coming on.

:popcorn:

When he received 10+ attempts he averaged 4.6 a carry as a rookie. :thumbup:

 
BigSteelThrill said:
Marc Levin said:
DWilly!!! (still hate that nickname - I don't care if he's been called that since he was five)

Foster's gone, so this has actually likely been in the hopper for the Panthers since mid-season.

Williams will be a nice 2nd/3rd round steal. While folks are taking Reggie Bush and Lawrence Maroney, who will still be mired in some kind of committee/ball sharing, looks for Williams a round later.
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How so? He just signed a 3 year deal for 14 million this offseason, leaving 2 years remaining.I dont doubt he will be relegated to the back up next year if DWilly improves his grasp of the NFL offense.

But it would appear the Foster would at least be a solid back up. You thinking traded or cut? Possible.

His contract had 4.5million in bonus money and an additional 3 million in escalators and incentives.
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Basing that on the reports from the preseason - that Foster needed to show he was feature back material this year or he'd be a cap casualty next (this) offseason.I don't think he showed he's feature back material. I actually smell a draft day trade rather than a cut.

 
Blackjacks said:
That's a nice late Christmas present for us owners of D-Will in dynasty league.

RB D. Williams Featured Back In 2007?

Pat Yasinskas, Charlotte Observer, Sporting News - [Full Article]

The Panthers' coaching staff will focus on the running game and design their scheme around RB DeAngelo Williams, who will likely be their feature back in 2007.

Do you think this is bull or do you think he'll be "the guy" next year?
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It's not bull but it's an inaccurate summary by FBG of what the one sentence in the opinion article says.
The coaching staff needs to focus on the running game and design the scheme around DeAngelo Williams, the likely feature back.
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Article itself
 
Marc Levin said:
Basing that on the reports from the preseason - that Foster needed to show he was feature back material this year or he'd be a cap casualty next (this) offseason.I don't think he showed he's feature back material. I actually smell a draft day trade rather than a cut.
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So where would you put DW in your dynasty rankings at this point? Does he have top 10 potential with risk or is he looking like a mid teens guy at best?
 
Ariakis, I haven't even begun looking at it yet, but if I had to guess at where he'd end up in the rankings:

Given the number of youthful RBs in the league right now, the Panthers' running game struggles, the number of backs besides Foster on the team, and I'd have to think he'd end up out of my top-10, even in dynasty rankings.

Does he have top-10 potential? Definitely. Skills up the wazoo and a coach committed to running the ball a lot, plus great production when he touched the ball more than 10 times. I think he's Maroney with more potential touches.

Bush, MJ-D, Maroney, DWill, RBrown, LJ, Addai - these are all potential top-notch RBs who have less than 2 years as full-time starters. Add in the established guys who have some time left (LT, SJax, McG, Portis, etc.), and there is actually a glut of potential top-10 RBs for fantasy rankings.

 
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DeAngelo!!!!

Man, does he ever need a better nickname now or what.....

DeW?

DaeWoo? (a reach, but was going for the car theme, but Caddy sux lately, so junk that one).

D-Will is probably the best, or DeCar was a good one.

 
BigSteelThrill said:
Marc Levin said:
DWilly!!! (still hate that nickname - I don't care if he's been called that since he was five)

Foster's gone, so this has actually likely been in the hopper for the Panthers since mid-season.

Williams will be a nice 2nd/3rd round steal. While folks are taking Reggie Bush and Lawrence Maroney, who will still be mired in some kind of committee/ball sharing, looks for Williams a round later.
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How so? He just signed a 3 year deal for 14 million this offseason, leaving 2 years remaining.I dont doubt he will be relegated to the back up next year if DWilly improves his grasp of the NFL offense.

But it would appear the Foster would at least be a solid back up. You thinking traded or cut? Possible.

His contract had 4.5million in bonus money and an additional 3 million in escalators and incentives.
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His base salary for 2007 is 4.25M and 2008 is another 4.75, up from 1M (plus bonuses) in 2006.There is a cap gain by dropping DeShaun, it is not huge (it improves for 2007 if he is cut after June 1st).

The question is, does the front office think they can get what DeShaun brings at a lower long term cap/cash value?

 
His base salary for 2007 is 4.25M and 2008 is another 4.75, up from 1M (plus bonuses) in 2006.

There is a cap gain by dropping DeShaun, it is not huge (it improves for 2007 if he is cut after June 1st).

The question is, does the front office think they can get what DeShaun brings at a lower long term cap/cash value?

I think the front office can order a pizza and get what DeShaun brings from the delivery guy for less $.

Go DeAngelo.

 
With how much sense it seems these days to have 2 solid options at RB, I don't see why the Panthers would send Foster packing.

 
Until I hear something from the team itself, this is 100% pure opinion and speculation on the reporter's part. It's on par with me writing an article and suggesting that Maroney will be the clear starter in N.E.--it certainly does not definitively mean he will be.

 
agreed that this is all still conjecture, per the article.

still, it sounds like it makes sense that Foster won't be on the team next year. he certainly doesn't command that kind of price tag on the open market, where Carolina can potentially find a veteran backup at a fraction of the cost. i'm thinking Ahman Green, or even a Musa Smith.

hell, for Foster money, they could probably sign Deuce from NO. point is, i don't think (in this day and age with RBBC being more the norm than the exception) that the reigns will simply be "handed over" anytime soon.

 
David Yudkin said:
Until I hear something from the team itself, this is 100% pure opinion and speculation on the reporter's part. It's on par with me writing an article and suggesting that Maroney will be the clear starter in N.E.--it certainly does not definitively mean he will be.
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Fair point here. Yet, age aside, Foster is no Dillon.
 
Rushing | Receiving |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 2003 car | 14 | 113 429 3.8 0 | 26 207 8.0 2 || 2004 car | 4 | 59 255 4.3 2 | 9 76 8.4 0 || 2005 car | 15 | 205 879 4.3 2 | 34 372 10.9 1 || 2006 car | 14 | 227 897 4.0 3 | 32 159 5.0 0 There is still nothing here to suggest that Foster should be the "featured" RB in Car. Why not give Williams a shot?

 
BigSteelThrill said:
Marc Levin said:
DWilly!!! (still hate that nickname - I don't care if he's been called that since he was five)

Foster's gone, so this has actually likely been in the hopper for the Panthers since mid-season.

Williams will be a nice 2nd/3rd round steal. While folks are taking Reggie Bush and Lawrence Maroney, who will still be mired in some kind of committee/ball sharing, looks for Williams a round later.
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How so? He just signed a 3 year deal for 14 million this offseason, leaving 2 years remaining.I dont doubt he will be relegated to the back up next year if DWilly improves his grasp of the NFL offense.

But it would appear the Foster would at least be a solid back up. You thinking traded or cut? Possible.

His contract had 4.5million in bonus money and an additional 3 million in escalators and incentives.
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salary is not guarenteed, only bonus money... which i believe he has already been paid or it is due to him if he is still on the roster by such and such a date. would you keep foster at 5 million per year? right, and neither will the panthers.
 
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Dolfan34 said:
BigSteelThrill said:
Marc Levin said:
DWilly!!! (still hate that nickname - I don't care if he's been called that since he was five)

Foster's gone, so this has actually likely been in the hopper for the Panthers since mid-season.

Williams will be a nice 2nd/3rd round steal. While folks are taking Reggie Bush and Lawrence Maroney, who will still be mired in some kind of committee/ball sharing, looks for Williams a round later.
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How so? He just signed a 3 year deal for 14 million this offseason, leaving 2 years remaining.I dont doubt he will be relegated to the back up next year if DWilly improves his grasp of the NFL offense.

But it would appear the Foster would at least be a solid back up. You thinking traded or cut? Possible.

His contract had 4.5million in bonus money and an additional 3 million in escalators and incentives.
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salary is not guarenteed, only bonus money... which i believe he has already been paid or it is due to him if he is still on the roster by such and such a date. would you keep foster at 5 million per year? right, and neither will the panthers.
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Cap wise they would save almost 1.5M this year and 6M next year by cutting him - it is a real possibility
 
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Yeah,like DW better but will THAT one be claimed now by the Houston Texans rb Dominick(Davis) Williams. Guess DeAngelo could be DWII, or for a little fun call him WD40. So Dominick (Davis) Williams would be DWI ? Does he have the qualifications for that? Lotta nfl players have their name attached to the law in one form or another. :bag:

 
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Yeah,like DW better but will THAT one be claimed now by the Houston Texans rb Dominick(Davis) Williams. Guess DeAngelo could be DWII, or for a little fun call him DW40. So Dominick (Davis) Williams would be DWI ? Does he have the qualifications for that? Lotta nfl players have their name attached to the law in one form or another. :bag:
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Not sure Dom Williams will need a nickname anymore. :cry:
 
jeter23 said:
DocNiner52 said:
Yeah,like DW better but will THAT one be claimed now by the Houston Texans rb Dominick(Davis) Williams. Guess DeAngelo could be DWII, or for a little fun call him DW40. So Dominick (Davis) Williams would be DWI ? Does he have the qualifications for that? Lotta nfl players have their name attached to the law in one form or another. :bag:
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Not sure Dom Williams will need a nickname anymore. :cry:
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He may need a ticket or a program, maybe DeDirecTV.
 
For all of you shoveling dirt on Foster's grave:

Several factors contributed to the Panthers' offensive woes in 2006 -

Carolina was last in the league in kickoff and punt returns, and also forced 22 turnovers, down from 42 the previous season.

That combination proved disastrous for the Panthers' field position - in 2006 they started 80 drives from inside their 20, compared with 50 the season before.

Also, They were without (offensive line starters) Travelle Wharton and Justin Hartwig most of the season.

New OC has said nothing about who the RB1 will be, although its early.

 
Boy, did this thread get off track. Something from AOL about the Panthers needs:

With DeShaun Foster still under contract and DeAngelo Williams entering his sophomore season the Panthers appear set at running back. However, don't be surprised if they try to add a power back to the mix—something Eric Shelton was supposed to do, though it hasn't quite worked out that way.
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BigTex said:
Boy, did this thread get off track. Something from AOL about the Panthers needs:

With DeShaun Foster still under contract and DeAngelo Williams entering his sophomore season the Panthers appear set at running back. However, don't be surprised if they try to add a power back to the mix—something Eric Shelton was supposed to do, though it hasn't quite worked out that way.
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who cares what aol says. it does not make sense to keep him based on his salary compared to performance. somebody said the panthers would save 1.5 mil this year and 6 mil next year if they cut him. i'm not sure how accurate that is as i believe nflpa has foster listed at 5 million in 2007 and 5 mil in 2008, but anyhow, it's alot of cap to carry for a guy like foster with williams waiting in the wings.
 
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DeAngelo RUSH SEASON TOTAL 121R 501Y 4.1Ave 1 TD

DeShaun RUSH SEASON TOTAL 227R 897Y 4.0 Ave 3 TD

I think they would be crazy to get rid of Deshaun - Last year he averaged 4.0 yards per carry but he was so outplayed by boy wonder at 4.1 :D . Why does everyone think that they should get rid of Foster when the only thing that Williams proved was that those saying he was injury prone may have been correct. Funny that everyone said Foster was injury prone but Williams played in only 13 games and Foster played in 14 games and had 100 carries more for the season.

Williams did prove that he is a good receiver out of the backfield.

 
messinwithu said:
DeAngelo RUSH SEASON TOTAL 121R 501Y 4.1Ave 1 TDDeShaun RUSH SEASON TOTAL 227R 897Y 4.0 Ave 3 TDI think they would be crazy to get rid of Deshaun - Last year he averaged 4.0 yards per carry but he was so outplayed by boy wonder at 4.1 :bye: . Why does everyone think that they should get rid of Foster when the only thing that Williams proved was that those saying he was injury prone may have been correct. Funny that everyone said Foster was injury prone but Williams played in only 13 games and Foster played in 14 games and had 100 carries more for the season. Williams did prove that he is a good receiver out of the backfield.
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The fact that he got outplayed at all by a 1st round rookie is quite noteworthy. Deshaun needed to prove more this season.
 
messinwithu said:
DeAngelo RUSH SEASON TOTAL 121R 501Y 4.1Ave 1 TDDeShaun RUSH SEASON TOTAL 227R 897Y 4.0 Ave 3 TDI think they would be crazy to get rid of Deshaun - Last year he averaged 4.0 yards per carry but he was so outplayed by boy wonder at 4.1 :thumbup: . Why does everyone think that they should get rid of Foster when the only thing that Williams proved was that those saying he was injury prone may have been correct. Funny that everyone said Foster was injury prone but Williams played in only 13 games and Foster played in 14 games and had 100 carries more for the season. Williams did prove that he is a good receiver out of the backfield.
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If you watched the Carolina games this year you could answer your own ?. Some times you have to look beyond the #'s. DeAngelo looked much faster to the hole and MUCH better in open space. I personally think he'll get the starting gig because the Panthers team looked alot better when DeAngelo was out there. Foster was very boring to watch and what I mean by that is there was no extra gear and no burst from him. DeAngelo will be the man next year and you'll see what I'm talking about.
 
Blackjacks said:
If you watched the Carolina games this year you could answer your own ?. Some times you have to look beyond the #'s. DeAngelo looked much faster to the hole and MUCH better in open space. I personally think he'll get the starting gig because the Panthers team looked alot better when DeAngelo was out there. Foster was very boring to watch and what I mean by that is there was no extra gear and no burst from him. DeAngelo will be the man next year and you'll see what I'm talking about.
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Foster was understandably the more trusted by Fox last season. Williams took some time to learn pass protection and also got burned a fewtimes by trying to make one too many moves.Foster runs hard. He is not elusive or powerful, but he does his job. IF Carolina hadn't lost two OL starters for the season, people may feel differently about him going into this year. I'd expect RBBC in Carolina, probably closer to 50/50, in 2007.
 
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