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Debunking Deshaun (1 Viewer)

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My GB Righetti about this time last year posted a great analysis of Deshaun Foster which was axed in the great thread purge. The point of the thread was to cut through some of the undeserved hype behind Deshaun Foster.

He is just a guy who, year in and out, despite injuries and non-production, is overhyped.

His injury issues are widely known (and often overlooked), but the point of the thread was that, even injuries aside, Foster's numbers simply weren't that good. The analysis proved that his YPC was very pedestrian and that, statistically, he simply wasn't that good.

I went back to look at the numbers over the past year, since I have this sense somehow that he is, once again, hyped this offseason. I vaguely remembered a couple monster games from Foster at the end of last season that seemingly were inflating his value, but somehow I had a gut feeling that he was again more highly valued than he should be.

Here are Foster's stats on the season last year:

205 for 879(4.3 YPC)/2, 34/372/1

Ultimately, fairly average. But that's not the problem I have with him.

The problem I have is that he was mediocre to just plain bad most of the season. As a fantasy player, he was ineffective outside of THREE -- count them -- THREE games last year.

Those three games? Two monstrous games against the decimated ATL run defense, and one against an equally weak NYG run defense.

Three games, 2 defenses, and, as a result, even considering that inflation, his stats are just "OK."

Yet, once again, people consider him to be this super talented runner with potential to be an absolute stud -- magnified by the fact that two of the biggest games were in January, so they are fresh in everyone's heads all offseason.

I don't understand how people still think this guy is anything special unless they are holding on to his few shining fantasy moments and ignoring the vast majority of his career, replete with injuries and inefficacy.

Factor in the fact that they drafted Deangelo Williams, and I have to think that the only people suggesting that Foster will be good, or won't lose his job this year, are people who already own him in fantasy leagues (dynasty in particular).

The conclusion? Give it up, folks. He's just not that good.

 
But Sallisbery Steak says that he will be a pro-bowler on the best team in the league with the best offense and the best defense. Surely he can't be wrong?

 
4.3 met or exceeded the production of....Portis, James, LT, Rudi, t. Jones, Caddy, Droughens, SJax, Jordan, Mike Anderson, J. Jones, Davis, Taylor, Matin, K. Jones....screw it, I'm tired of typing.

 
The problem I have is that he was mediocre to just plain bad most of the season. As a fantasy player, he was ineffective outside of THREE -- count them -- THREE games last year.
Probably about the same number as Frank Gore. ;)Like Gore, Foster generally wasn't his team's starter last year. Stephen Davis was (until his late-season injury), even though Foster outplayed him all year.This year Foster will start, so it is natural to think that his fantasy numbers might improve, same as Gore's probably will.
 
Also, using FBG scoring, he finished 24th last year with just two rushing TDs. Give him half of Davis' 12 TD and he finishes #13.

 
4.3 met or exceeded the production of....Portis, James, LT, Rudi, t. Jones, Caddy, Droughens, SJax, Jordan, Mike Anderson, J. Jones, Davis, Taylor, Matin, K. Jones....screw it, I'm tired of typing.
Ok, so about half the starting runners in the league? So, like I said above, he was pretty average, despite the inflation from three big games against injury-riddled run defenses?Are you suggesting that he'll be very good this year? Is this the breakout that's been promised for 3 years now?
 
4.3 met or exceeded the production of....Portis, James, LT, Rudi, t. Jones, Caddy, Droughens, SJax, Jordan, Mike Anderson, J. Jones, Davis, Taylor, Matin, K. Jones....screw it, I'm tired of typing.
Ok, so about half the starting runners in the league? So, like I said above, he was pretty average, despite the inflation from three big games against injury-riddled run defenses?Are you suggesting that he'll be very good this year? Is this the breakout that's been promised for 3 years now?
it is at the very least a legitimate opp for one...
 
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The problem I have is that he was mediocre to just plain bad most of the season. As a fantasy player, he was ineffective outside of THREE -- count them -- THREE games last year.
Probably about the same number as Frank Gore. ;)Like Gore, Foster generally wasn't his team's starter last year. Stephen Davis was (until his late-season injury), even though Foster outplayed him all year.This year Foster will start, so it is natural to think that his fantasy numbers might improve, same as Gore's probably will.
LOL, beat me to it.Outside of Gore's pre-injuries reputation, a long TD run against 2/3 of the Redskins' backups, and a few nice games against a few of the worst run defenses in the NFL, he didn't do a thing last year... yet our buddy Otis pimped him like there was no tomorrow all offseason.Foster's got the talent and he's got the opportunity. Not much more you can ask for at this point.
 
The problem I have is that he was mediocre to just plain bad most of the season. As a fantasy player, he was ineffective outside of THREE -- count them -- THREE games last year.
Probably about the same number as Frank Gore. ;)Like Gore, Foster generally wasn't his team's starter last year. Stephen Davis was (until his late-season injury), even though Foster outplayed him all year.This year Foster will start, so it is natural to think that his fantasy numbers might improve, same as Gore's probably will.
:lmao: I think Gore is twice the talent that Foster is and, perhaps more importantly, he plays with far more grit and determination than Deshaun.That said, IF Foster is healthy all year, and IF he doesn't lose his job to a better back (and I think there is one behind him now), then, yes, his numbers necessarily would have to improve. I also might win the lottery tomorrow.
 
I'll be happy when it's 2007 and these debates will be over. The guy will either prove himself this year or not. I'm tired of the two DeShaun sides fighting.

 
The problem I have is that he was mediocre to just plain bad most of the season. As a fantasy player, he was ineffective outside of THREE -- count them -- THREE games last year.
Probably about the same number as Frank Gore. ;)Like Gore, Foster generally wasn't his team's starter last year. Stephen Davis was (until his late-season injury), even though Foster outplayed him all year.This year Foster will start, so it is natural to think that his fantasy numbers might improve, same as Gore's probably will.
:lmao: I think Gore is twice the talent that Foster is and, perhaps more importantly, he plays with far more grit and determination than Deshaun.
now there's some hard data
 
Foster became the starter in week 12 last season. In the final six games, he averaged 93 rushing yards and 0.5 TDs per game. Over the course of a season, that's 1490 rushing yards (plus 258 receiving yards) and 8 TDs. Not bad.

And he surpassed those numbers during the playoffs, rushing for 151 yards in the first playoff game against the Giants, and then 54 yards in a half against the Bears.

 
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4.3 met or exceeded the production of....Portis, James, LT, Rudi, t. Jones, Caddy, Droughens, SJax, Jordan, Mike Anderson, J. Jones, Davis, Taylor, Matin, K. Jones....screw it, I'm tired of typing.
Ok, so about half the starting runners in the league? So, like I said above, he was pretty average, despite the inflation from three big games against injury-riddled run defenses?Are you suggesting that he'll be very good this year? Is this the breakout that's been promised for 3 years now?
He's somewhere in the 9th to 11th range on my rankings. Considering I can draft him in the 4th round in almost every league, he's the main reason why I haven't selected a RB in round 2 in about 12 drafts. If I get last year's production, he still exceeds his draft postion.
 
Honestly, the number of times here that I've read the argument "if you exclude this or that freak game when he put up huge numbers".... you can't do this, people! That's not how numbers work! Monster games against weak Ds are just as valid statistically as other games! All players play against weak Ds at some point!

 
The problem I have is that he was mediocre to just plain bad most of the season. As a fantasy player, he was ineffective outside of THREE -- count them -- THREE games last year.
Probably about the same number as Frank Gore. ;)Like Gore, Foster generally wasn't his team's starter last year. Stephen Davis was (until his late-season injury), even though Foster outplayed him all year.This year Foster will start, so it is natural to think that his fantasy numbers might improve, same as Gore's probably will.
LOL, beat me to it.Outside of Gore's pre-injuries reputation, a long TD run against 2/3 of the Redskins' backups, and a few nice games against a few of the worst run defenses in the NFL, he didn't do a thing last year... yet our buddy Otis pimped him like there was no tomorrow all offseason.Foster's got the talent and he's got the opportunity. Not much more you can ask for at this point.
I can't possibly count the number of ways your analogy sucks, but I'll try.First off, if you picked up Gore when "our buddy Otis pimped him like there was no tomorrow all offseason" and traded him away today for his current value, you made a TON of extra value on your squad. That's just fact. So I'm still baffled at your attempts to question my call pick. It's amazing. I'm sure you'll be the first one to jump on my back if he fails but, tell you what -- trade him away now. If you listened to me, you'll be taking profits and can dump the risk.Regarding the comparison of Gore to Foster, I'll tell you the biggest difference -- once of these guys hasn't failed yet. I'll let you decide which that is. And if three years from now, Gore is hurt and has several very mediocre seasons, I can promise you I'll no longer be on the bandwagon anymore either. But this thread isn't about Gore vs. Foster. It's about me being completely baffled at how much people love this guy year in and year out.Oh, and one more point about Foster. while we're at it.His big game against the Giants was in week 17. Worthless to fantasy owners. So make that a very ordinary season with two monster games -- both against ATL. :thumbup:
 
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He's somewhere in the 9th to 11th range on my rankings. Considering I can draft him in the 4th round in almost every league, he's the main reason why I haven't selected a RB in round 2 in about 12 drafts. If I get last year's production, he still exceeds his draft postion.
:shock: 9th to 11th RB???
 
People are actually giving Foster stud status? I think he is talented enough to be RB#2 worthy hence the reason he is one my RB's on one my teams. He has a lot of things in his favor a top 5 WR that demands double teams. A coach who wants to run the ball and a defense that gets opponents of the field so he can get his carries. Barring injury it is not far fetched for him to finish in the top 20

 
The problem I have is that he was mediocre to just plain bad most of the season. As a fantasy player, he was ineffective outside of THREE -- count them -- THREE games last year.
Probably about the same number as Frank Gore. ;)Like Gore, Foster generally wasn't his team's starter last year. Stephen Davis was (until his late-season injury), even though Foster outplayed him all year.This year Foster will start, so it is natural to think that his fantasy numbers might improve, same as Gore's probably will.
:lmao: I think Gore is twice the talent that Foster is and, perhaps more importantly, he plays with far more grit and determination than Deshaun.
now there's some hard data
2 big fantasy games in 2005.1 big fantasy game in 2004.0 big fantasy games in 2003.Is that enough data?Oh wait, I forgot. Kid is a monster waiting to happen because he broke that long TD in the super bowl that one year or something.
 
He's somewhere in the 9th to 11th range on my rankings. Considering I can draft him in the 4th round in almost every league, he's the main reason why I haven't selected a RB in round 2 in about 12 drafts. If I get last year's production, he still exceeds his draft postion.
:shock: 9th to 11th RB???
Running with MT's numbers, he posts 223 last year....good for #9 a point behind Jordan. I'm convinced he'll out produced Jordan this year.
 
The problem I have is that he was mediocre to just plain bad most of the season. As a fantasy player, he was ineffective outside of THREE -- count them -- THREE games last year.
Probably about the same number as Frank Gore. ;)Like Gore, Foster generally wasn't his team's starter last year. Stephen Davis was (until his late-season injury), even though Foster outplayed him all year.This year Foster will start, so it is natural to think that his fantasy numbers might improve, same as Gore's probably will.
:lmao: I think Gore is twice the talent that Foster is and, perhaps more importantly, he plays with far more grit and determination than Deshaun.
now there's some hard data
2 big fantasy games in 2005.1 big fantasy game in 2004.0 big fantasy games in 2003.Is that enough data?Oh wait, I forgot. Kid is a monster waiting to happen because he broke that long TD in the super bowl that one year or something.
:opportunity:
 
He's somewhere in the 9th to 11th range on my rankings. Considering I can draft him in the 4th round in almost every league, he's the main reason why I haven't selected a RB in round 2 in about 12 drafts. If I get last year's production, he still exceeds his draft postion.
:shock: 9th to 11th RB???
Running with MT's numbers, he posts 223 last year....good for #9 a point behind Jordan. I'm convinced he'll out produced Jordan this year.
Ok, well here's my answer to the question above regarding whether people are actually giving this kid "stud" status. Top ten RB sounds stud enough to me.And I am absolutely baffled.
 
The problem I have is that he was mediocre to just plain bad most of the season. As a fantasy player, he was ineffective outside of THREE -- count them -- THREE games last year.
Probably about the same number as Frank Gore. ;)Like Gore, Foster generally wasn't his team's starter last year. Stephen Davis was (until his late-season injury), even though Foster outplayed him all year.This year Foster will start, so it is natural to think that his fantasy numbers might improve, same as Gore's probably will.
:lmao: I think Gore is twice the talent that Foster is and, perhaps more importantly, he plays with far more grit and determination than Deshaun.
now there's some hard data
2 big fantasy games in 2005.1 big fantasy game in 2004.0 big fantasy games in 2003.Is that enough data?
no....HTHi'm not that high on Deshaun, just thought it was funny that you started off the thread by throwing out stats but when the Gore thing comes up, you reply with: "I just think he's better and tougher". as long as your not being subjective.
 
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His big game against the Giants was in week 17. Worthless to fantasy owners.
What does that have to do with his prospects for this season?
Nothing aside from the fact that the Giants defensive line and linebackers were a trainwreck at the end of last season.But ultimately the point was that he hasn't done anything for us fantasy-wise yet. I'm trying to find a reason to see why people are projecting him to be a top ten back. I'm having a very, very difficult time.
 
He's somewhere in the 9th to 11th range on my rankings. Considering I can draft him in the 4th round in almost every league, he's the main reason why I haven't selected a RB in round 2 in about 12 drafts. If I get last year's production, he still exceeds his draft postion.
:shock: 9th to 11th RB???
Running with MT's numbers, he posts 223 last year....good for #9 a point behind Jordan. I'm convinced he'll out produced Jordan this year.
Ok, well here's my answer to the question above regarding whether people are actually giving this kid "stud" status. Top ten RB sounds stud enough to me.And I am absolutely baffled.
You won't be after week one...nevermind, they play Atlanta and that doesn't count. :D
 
Here are three reasons to like Foster:

1. Look at what Nick Goings in this system two years ago.

2. Look at all those TDs that Stephen Davis scored in this system last year.

3. Foster is a much better runner than Goings or Davis.

 
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But this thread isn't about Gore vs. Foster. It's about me being completely baffled at how much people love this guy year in and year out.Oh, and one more point about Foster. while we're at it.His big game against the Giants was in week 17. Worthless to fantasy owners. So make that a very ordinary season with two monster games -- both against ATL. :thumbup:
:rolleyes: Yep, that makes a difference. Nope, it's not about Gore vs Foster. And I'm not making it that. But the point of that thread was ALSO to point out how awesome a RB Gore is, and he's done far less than Foster has to earn it. Sorry man, but Foster hasn't failed at anything just yet, and there isn't a more talented RB on the Carolina roster. He's battled a few injuries, but they haven't been the nagging muscle pulls or strains. For the first time in his career last year he was given the feature back role at the end of the season, and he put up very, very nice numbers. Like any other back, he needs to stay healthy. But talent and opportunity is all you can hope for, and he's got a lot of both.
 
The problem I have is that he was mediocre to just plain bad most of the season. As a fantasy player, he was ineffective outside of THREE -- count them -- THREE games last year.
Probably about the same number as Frank Gore. ;)Like Gore, Foster generally wasn't his team's starter last year. Stephen Davis was (until his late-season injury), even though Foster outplayed him all year.This year Foster will start, so it is natural to think that his fantasy numbers might improve, same as Gore's probably will.
:lmao: I think Gore is twice the talent that Foster is and, perhaps more importantly, he plays with far more grit and determination than Deshaun.
now there's some hard data
2 big fantasy games in 2005.1 big fantasy game in 2004.0 big fantasy games in 2003.Is that enough data?
no....HTHi'm not that high on Deshaun, just thought it was funny that you started off the thread by throwing out stats left and right but when the Gore thing comes up, you reply with: "I just think he's better and tougher". as long as your not being subjective.
Subjective is exactly what had me pick up Gore in every league I was in when he wasn't worth a dime, and the reason I have a ton of value to play with on those rosters now as a result. Subjective means something too.But this isn't a Frank Gore thread. If you want to see my analysis and projections for Gore, based on statistics, go look there. There are no parallels between these two guys. Like I said above, if Gore has two more years in the league and still hasn't gotten it done, believe me, I'll be off the bandwagon before most.It's called cutting bait, and I'm very good at it.
 
His big game against the Giants was in week 17. Worthless to fantasy owners.
What does that have to do with his prospects for this season?
Nothing aside from the fact that the Giants defensive line and linebackers were a trainwreck at the end of last season.But ultimately the point was that he hasn't done anything for us fantasy-wise yet. I'm trying to find a reason to see why people are projecting him to be a top ten back. I'm having a very, very difficult time.
I pretty much covered this...give him last year's production (which you bascially said stunk) plus 1/2 of the Stephan Davis TDs (now with the Rams) and you have a 13th ranked back.
 
He's somewhere in the 9th to 11th range on my rankings. Considering I can draft him in the 4th round in almost every league, he's the main reason why I haven't selected a RB in round 2 in about 12 drafts. If I get last year's production, he still exceeds his draft postion.
:shock: 9th to 11th RB???
Running with MT's numbers, he posts 223 last year....good for #9 a point behind Jordan. I'm convinced he'll out produced Jordan this year.
Ok, well here's my answer to the question above regarding whether people are actually giving this kid "stud" status. Top ten RB sounds stud enough to me.And I am absolutely baffled.
You won't be after week one...nevermind, they play Atlanta and that doesn't count. :D
The ATL defense will be healthy then, and Deshaun will probably lose the job before he sees them again. :yes:
 
I'll be happy when it's 2007 and these debates will be over. The guy will either prove himself this year or not. I'm tired of the two DeShaun sides fighting.
Unfortunately, there will be someone else. Every year there are a handful of players who spark this type of debate and it usually takes the same form: one side thinks all the player needs is some version opportunity/health/coaching, the other side just thinks player just plain sucks. Neither really actually considers the argument of the other and it goes on for months, normally until the player proves to be some version of mediocore (no one wins).
 
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His big game against the Giants was in week 17. Worthless to fantasy owners.
What does that have to do with his prospects for this season?
Nothing aside from the fact that the Giants defensive line and linebackers were a trainwreck at the end of last season.But ultimately the point was that he hasn't done anything for us fantasy-wise yet. I'm trying to find a reason to see why people are projecting him to be a top ten back. I'm having a very, very difficult time.
I pretty much covered this...give him last year's production (which you bascially said stunk) plus 1/2 of the Stephan Davis TDs (now with the Rams) and you have a 13th ranked back.
Does Williams not concern you?
 
I am not a fan of "pro-rating" stats. People fell into that trap last year with Willis McGahee, Kevin Jones and Julius Jones.

DeShaun Foster had nice games versus worn down defenses. Then Carolina showed so much trust in him that they drafted DeAngelo Williams in the first round. And as James Hasty said "he's like a candle, one blow and he's out."

What part of that am I supposed to like?

 
The problem I have is that he was mediocre to just plain bad most of the season. As a fantasy player, he was ineffective outside of THREE -- count them -- THREE games last year.
Probably about the same number as Frank Gore. ;)Like Gore, Foster generally wasn't his team's starter last year. Stephen Davis was (until his late-season injury), even though Foster outplayed him all year.This year Foster will start, so it is natural to think that his fantasy numbers might improve, same as Gore's probably will.
:lmao: I think Gore is twice the talent that Foster is and, perhaps more importantly, he plays with far more grit and determination than Deshaun.
now there's some hard data
2 big fantasy games in 2005.1 big fantasy game in 2004.0 big fantasy games in 2003.Is that enough data?
no....HTHi'm not that high on Deshaun, just thought it was funny that you started off the thread by throwing out stats left and right but when the Gore thing comes up, you reply with: "I just think he's better and tougher". as long as your not being subjective.
Subjective is exactly what had me pick up Gore in every league I was in when he wasn't worth a dime, and the reason I have a ton of value to play with on those rosters now as a result. Subjective means something too.
and others are subjectively evaluating Foster and predicting a good season, and they think they are good at it too. shouldn't be that hard to comprehend.
 
I'll be happy when it's 2007 and these debates will be over. The guy will either prove himself this year or not. I'm tired of the two DeShaun sides fighting.
Unfortunately, there will be someone else. Every year there are a handful of players who spark this type of debate and it usually takes the same form: one side thinks all the player needs is some version opportunity/health/coaching, the other sids just thinks player just plain sucks. Neither really actually considers the argument of the other and it goes on for months, normally until the player proves to be some version of mediocore (no one wins).
I'm saying that he is exactly mediocre. I don't think he sucks, but I also don't think he deserves the hype that he seemingly continues to get. He is Jerry Porter, Donte Stallworth, Michael Vick, and every other promising fantasy stud who ends up disappointing annually.
 
DeShaun Foster had nice games versus worn down defenses. Then Carolina showed so much trust in him that they drafted DeAngelo Williams in the first round. And as James Hasty said "he's like a candle, one blow and he's out." What part of that am I supposed to like?
If this is a multiple-choice question, out of those options I am going with the "nice games" part.
 
The problem I have is that he was mediocre to just plain bad most of the season. As a fantasy player, he was ineffective outside of THREE -- count them -- THREE games last year.
Probably about the same number as Frank Gore. ;)Like Gore, Foster generally wasn't his team's starter last year. Stephen Davis was (until his late-season injury), even though Foster outplayed him all year.This year Foster will start, so it is natural to think that his fantasy numbers might improve, same as Gore's probably will.
:lmao: I think Gore is twice the talent that Foster is and, perhaps more importantly, he plays with far more grit and determination than Deshaun.
now there's some hard data
2 big fantasy games in 2005.1 big fantasy game in 2004.0 big fantasy games in 2003.Is that enough data?
no....HTHi'm not that high on Deshaun, just thought it was funny that you started off the thread by throwing out stats left and right but when the Gore thing comes up, you reply with: "I just think he's better and tougher". as long as your not being subjective.
Subjective is exactly what had me pick up Gore in every league I was in when he wasn't worth a dime, and the reason I have a ton of value to play with on those rosters now as a result. Subjective means something too.
and others are subjectively evaluating Foster and predicting a good season, and they think they are good at it too. shouldn't be that hard to comprehend.
They've been predicting it for three years now. At some point if a guy has not done it yet, he probably won't.
 
The problem I have is that he was mediocre to just plain bad most of the season. As a fantasy player, he was ineffective outside of THREE -- count them -- THREE games last year.
Probably about the same number as Frank Gore. ;) Like Gore, Foster generally wasn't his team's starter last year. Stephen Davis was (until his late-season injury), even though Foster outplayed him all year.

This year Foster will start, so it is natural to think that his fantasy numbers might improve, same as Gore's probably will.
But Davis only had 9 games of over 7 carries. Granted that does give him 9, but I don't think that "late season injury" really quantifies it.
 
Im happy to have Deshaun as my RB2 behind LT, with McCallister and Lundy behind him on my depth chart.

I had him projected as RB22, and got him as the 24th RB off the board at pick 4.12. If he finishes at or better than RB23, I got a good bargain, IMO.

I dont think hes a "stud", but I think hell make a fine RB2. If he finishes anywhere between RB 13-20 (which I think he can), even better yet.

 
Im happy to have Deshaun as my RB2 behind LT, with McCallister and Lundy behind him on my depth chart.I had him projected as RB22, and got him as the 24th RB off the board at pick 4.12. If he finishes at or better than RB23, I got a good bargain, IMO.I dont think hes a "stud", but I think hell make a fine RB2. If he finishes anywhere between RB 13-20 (which I think he can), even better yet.
Does it matter where he finishes?You need to start him on the correct weeks, correct? What good does points on the bench do you?
 
Im happy to have Deshaun as my RB2 behind LT, with McCallister and Lundy behind him on my depth chart.I had him projected as RB22, and got him as the 24th RB off the board at pick 4.12. If he finishes at or better than RB23, I got a good bargain, IMO.I dont think hes a "stud", but I think hell make a fine RB2. If he finishes anywhere between RB 13-20 (which I think he can), even better yet.
RB24 is a bit easier for me to swallow.
 
The problem I have is that he was mediocre to just plain bad most of the season. As a fantasy player, he was ineffective outside of THREE -- count them -- THREE games last year.
Probably about the same number as Frank Gore. ;)Like Gore, Foster generally wasn't his team's starter last year. Stephen Davis was (until his late-season injury), even though Foster outplayed him all year.This year Foster will start, so it is natural to think that his fantasy numbers might improve, same as Gore's probably will.
:lmao: I think Gore is twice the talent that Foster is and, perhaps more importantly, he plays with far more grit and determination than Deshaun.
now there's some hard data
2 big fantasy games in 2005.1 big fantasy game in 2004.0 big fantasy games in 2003.Is that enough data?
no....HTHi'm not that high on Deshaun, just thought it was funny that you started off the thread by throwing out stats left and right but when the Gore thing comes up, you reply with: "I just think he's better and tougher". as long as your not being subjective.
Subjective is exactly what had me pick up Gore in every league I was in when he wasn't worth a dime, and the reason I have a ton of value to play with on those rosters now as a result. Subjective means something too.
and others are subjectively evaluating Foster and predicting a good season, and they think they are good at it too. shouldn't be that hard to comprehend.
They've been predicting it for three years now. At some point if a guy has not done it yet, he probably won't.
welcome to the first year we get to see if he will as THE guy... geez its not that hard to figure out. But I guess the point is arguing for its own sake....
 
They've been predicting it for three years now. At some point if a guy has not done it yet, he probably won't.
he finished 24th last year and his staff consensus ranking is 22 this year. if your beef is with a few people that have him approaching the top 10, i agree that's optimistic.
 
My GB Righetti about this time last year posted a great analysis of Deshaun Foster which was axed in the great thread purge. The point of the thread was to cut through some of the undeserved hype behind Deshaun Foster.He is just a guy who, year in and out, despite injuries and non-production, is overhyped. His injury issues are widely known (and often overlooked), but the point of the thread was that, even injuries aside, Foster's numbers simply weren't that good. The analysis proved that his YPC was very pedestrian and that, statistically, he simply wasn't that good.I went back to look at the numbers over the past year, since I have this sense somehow that he is, once again, hyped this offseason. I vaguely remembered a couple monster games from Foster at the end of last season that seemingly were inflating his value, but somehow I had a gut feeling that he was again more highly valued than he should be.Here are Foster's stats on the season last year:205 for 879(4.3 YPC)/2, 34/372/1Ultimately, fairly average. But that's not the problem I have with him. ...The conclusion? Give it up, folks. He's just not that good.
First and foremost... me thinks, no... me knows you didn't see those games, nor were part of threads here that discussed that DF was CLEARLY the better talent... dowfield and in the redzone than Stephen Davis... it is what is was... but once DF started, there was some paydirt. Did great for my playoff-centric leauge.But rather than blather about why he's a great opp... who the F else shoudl we be taking in the 6th round????!!!! Genius.... DeAngelo Williams?? Cedric Benson?
 
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