Deion on NFL GameDay Final (1 Viewer)

[Fragis Frodum]

What is with the ebonics and screaming during his Top 10 segment? Is he 14 years old and on location somewhere in da 'hood? His schtick is old. And tired.

 

[Young 8]

 

[BradtheAg]

OH! A phong is ringin!

Michael Trabtree

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

He's too painful to watch, so I don't.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

What is with the ebonics and screaming during his Top 10 segment? Is he 14 years old and on location somewhere in da 'hood? His schtick is old. And tired.

It's a black thing. Plus, he's appealing to the younger generation regardless of race. It's easier to not watch if that isn't your cup of tea. Personally I think he's an idiot.

 

[Prof. Chaos]

He's too painful to watch, so I don't.

 

[B-Deep]

Deion is awful

and I love the guy, but just awful on TV

 

[tim_whatley]

He used to be OK on CBS pregame show. Has he digressed substantially?

I pretty much watch NFL network now exclusively for my pregame shows. It is so much better than the clowns on ESPN, CBS or Fox.

 

[Limp Ditka]

What is with the ebonics and screaming during his Top 10 segment? Is he 14 years old and on location somewhere in da 'hood? His schtick is old. And tired.

It's a black thing. Plus, he's appealing to the younger generation regardless of race. It's easier to not watch if that isn't your cup of tea. Personally I think he's an idiot.

What's a "black thing"?

 

[GloryDaze]

I can't stand him, Irvin, Keyshawn or Cris Carter. So I just hang out here.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

What is with the ebonics and screaming during his Top 10 segment? Is he 14 years old and on location somewhere in da 'hood? His schtick is old. And tired.

It's a black thing. Plus, he's appealing to the younger generation regardless of race. It's easier to not watch if that isn't your cup of tea. Personally I think he's an idiot.

What's a "black thing"?

Come on man, it's not a mystery. It's the hood/ghetto/ebonics communication. That's a "black thing" to most, except maybe for some in their teens regardless of race.

 

[everydayj]

Technically, my friends, it's called AAVE.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Props on your sig.

 

[Limp Ditka]

What is with the ebonics and screaming during his Top 10 segment? Is he 14 years old and on location somewhere in da 'hood? His schtick is old. And tired.

It's a black thing. Plus, he's appealing to the younger generation regardless of race. It's easier to not watch if that isn't your cup of tea. Personally I think he's an idiot.

What's a "black thing"?

Come on man, it's not a mystery. It's the hood/ghetto/ebonics communication. That's a "black thing" to most, except maybe for some in their teens regardless of race.

Still missing your point here.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

What is with the ebonics and screaming during his Top 10 segment? Is he 14 years old and on location somewhere in da 'hood? His schtick is old. And tired.

It's a black thing. Plus, he's appealing to the younger generation regardless of race. It's easier to not watch if that isn't your cup of tea. Personally I think he's an idiot.

What's a "black thing"?

Come on man, it's not a mystery. It's the hood/ghetto/ebonics communication. That's a "black thing" to most, except maybe for some in their teens regardless of race.

Still missing your point here.

That's too bad.

 

[Buffaloes]

It's a black thing. Plus, he's appealing to the younger generation regardless of race. It's easier to not watch if that isn't your cup of tea. Personally I think he's an idiot.

What's a "black thing"?

Come on man, it's not a mystery. It's the hood/ghetto/ebonics communication. That's a "black thing" to most, except maybe for some in their teens regardless of race.

Still missing your point here.

That's too bad.

You never had a point. Yeah he sounds uneducated and is loud and abrasive, but to label it as a "black thing" is dumb.

 

[Wadsworth]

That's too bad.

I'm not getting it either. maybe it's an "old" thing.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

That's too bad.

I'm not getting it either. maybe it's an "old" thing.

So, you are saying that hood slang / ebonics is not a "black thing"? If not, then I stand corrected that it's just a "generation thing".

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

You never had a point. Yeah he sounds uneducated and is loud and abrasive, but to label it as a "black thing" is dumb.

So, you are saying that hood slang / ebonics is not a "black thing"?

 

[Limp Ditka]

That's too bad.

I'm not getting it either. maybe it's an "old" thing.

So, you are saying that hood slang / ebonics is not a "black thing"? If not, then I stand corrected that it's just a "generation thing".

I just watched the NYG / TB highlight package."Mooch, he's running like he's running for a contract" - long Bradshaw run"UH!, That's 280 at you boys and girls" - Jacobs TD"I believe in Eli" - Eli TD pass"finally" - Bucs first down"He looked good" - 2nd Eli TD passWhat's hood/ebonic about any of this?

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

That's too bad.

I'm not getting it either. maybe it's an "old" thing.

So, you are saying that hood slang / ebonics is not a "black thing"? If not, then I stand corrected that it's just a "generation thing".

I just watched the NYG / TB highlight package."Mooch, he's running like he's running for a contract" - long Bradshaw run"UH!, That's 280 at you boys and girls" - Jacobs TD"I believe in Eli" - Eli TD pass"finally" - Bucs first down"He looked good" - 2nd Eli TD passWhat's hood/ebonic about any of this?

Nothing I guess I'm totally wrong and apologize to anyone that I may have offended. Deion probably never uses hood slang on TV and I have him mistaken for someone else.

 

[Buffaloes]

You never had a point. Yeah he sounds uneducated and is loud and abrasive, but to label it as a "black thing" is dumb.

So, you are saying that hood slang / ebonics is not a "black thing"?

Well I don't think it's been ™ by a certain race. I hear all kinds of people use it.

 

[texasheat]

On TV

Irvin>>Deion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Emmitt

I could do without any of them.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

You never had a point. Yeah he sounds uneducated and is loud and abrasive, but to label it as a "black thing" is dumb.

So, you are saying that hood slang / ebonics is not a "black thing"?

Well I don't think it's been ™ by a certain race. I hear all kinds of people use it.

Ok, then I stand corrected that it isn't a "black thing", but a "generation thing", even though it was a "black thing" initially. You can't argue that point. Anyhoo, I didn't intend to ruffle the race feathers on this lovely Monday morning.

 

[everydayj]

Again, I'm going to post this. Read. Learn. Coming from a Linguistics background and having done a fairly thorough study of AAVE myself, I found that it's a legitimate dialect with rules and structure. No dialect or language is "superior" to any other language. Speaking one or the other does not make you better, more educated or more refined than someone who speaks another language or dialect. What's interesting here on a linguistics level is how similar AAVE is to Southern American English. Having spent a fair amount of time down South, it's pretty easy to see the similarities.

 

[Wadsworth]

That's too bad.

I'm not getting it either. maybe it's an "old" thing.

So, you are saying that hood slang / ebonics is not a "black thing"? If not, then I stand corrected that it's just a "generation thing".

Terry Bradshaw butchers the English language just about every time he opens his mouth. Is that a white thing?

 

[Limp Ditka]

He just said mama

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

That's too bad.

I'm not getting it either. maybe it's an "old" thing.

So, you are saying that hood slang / ebonics is not a "black thing"? If not, then I stand corrected that it's just a "generation thing".

Terry Bradshaw butchers the English language just about every time he opens his mouth. Is that a white thing?

Come on now, we can all pretend what we want to pretend, but you know what I meant. Like I said, I'm not trying to ruffle anyone's feathers this morning. I'll just drop it now.

 

[karmarooster]

You never had a point. Yeah he sounds uneducated and is loud and abrasive, but to label it as a "black thing" is dumb.

So, you are saying that hood slang / ebonics is not a "black thing"?

You must be old. I'm white, and I like Deion on the show. It's a funny contrast between him and the other white-as-can be old guys. His 'ebonics' as you call it isn't even out of control. He does it on purpose, for effect, and then turns it off. Deion is more intelligent than you think... he plays the cards the way he wants to, and yes he does come across as a clown sometime. I think it's a calculated move. But he can also straighten it up when he wants.Enjoyable moments from the Seahawks/Bears game highlights:-Julius Jones did a funny dance after his screen-pass TD and Deion squealed with delight. -Devin Hester's TD pass: "m' baby! m'baby!" (as in, short for 'my')

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Again, I'm going to post this. Read. Learn. Coming from a Linguistics background and having done a fairly thorough study of AAVE myself, I found that it's a legitimate dialect with rules and structure. No dialect or language is "superior" to any other language. Speaking one or the other does not make you better, more educated or more refined than someone who speaks another language or dialect. What's interesting here on a linguistics level is how similar AAVE is to Southern American English. Having spent a fair amount of time down South, it's pretty easy to see the similarities.

I found this part interesting from the link you posted -AAVE has been the center of controversy about the education of African American youths, the role AAVE should play in public schools and education, and its place in broader society. Educators have held that attempts should be made to eliminate AAVE usage through the public education system. Criticisms from social commentators and educators have ranged from asserting that AAVE is an intrinsically deficient form of speech to arguments that its use, by being considered unacceptable in most cultural contexts, is socially limiting.[57] It is often argued that incorporating AAVE in schools would only impede the academic progress of young African American children.[citation needed] Some of the harshest criticisms of AAVE have come from other African Americans.[58] A conspicuous example was the "Pound Cake speech" of Bill Cosby, which criticized members of the African American community for various social behavior including exclusive use of AAVE.

 

[Wadsworth]

Again, I'm going to post this. Read. Learn. Coming from a Linguistics background and having done a fairly thorough study of AAVE myself, I found that it's a legitimate dialect with rules and structure. No dialect or language is "superior" to any other language. Speaking one or the other does not make you better, more educated or more refined than someone who speaks another language or dialect. What's interesting here on a linguistics level is how similar AAVE is to Southern American English. Having spent a fair amount of time down South, it's pretty easy to see the similarities.

I found this part interesting from the link you posted -AAVE has been the center of controversy about the education of African American youths, the role AAVE should play in public schools and education, and its place in broader society. Educators have held that attempts should be made to eliminate AAVE usage through the public education system. Criticisms from social commentators and educators have ranged from asserting that AAVE is an intrinsically deficient form of speech to arguments that its use, by being considered unacceptable in most cultural contexts, is socially limiting.[57] It is often argued that incorporating AAVE in schools would only impede the academic progress of young African American children.[citation needed] Some of the harshest criticisms of AAVE have come from other African Americans.[58] A conspicuous example was the "Pound Cake speech" of Bill Cosby, which criticized members of the African American community for various social behavior including exclusive use of AAVE.

I had a high school English teacher tell me that language was never correct or incorrect. It was either appropriate or inappropriate. His example was that it was completely appropriate to use certain words and styles of speech around your friends that would be inappropriate to use in front of your grandmother. It wasn't that it was wrong, it was just wrong for that given situation.With AAVE, hardcore Southern American English, Spanglish, or whatever it's not a matter of it being "wrong" or a sign of lack of education or intelligence. You could argue that it's inappropriate for a TV show, but going beyond that gets into personal bias which isn't a valid argument.

 

[karmarooster]

Again, I'm going to post this. Read. Learn. Coming from a Linguistics background and having done a fairly thorough study of AAVE myself, I found that it's a legitimate dialect with rules and structure. No dialect or language is "superior" to any other language. Speaking one or the other does not make you better, more educated or more refined than someone who speaks another language or dialect. What's interesting here on a linguistics level is how similar AAVE is to Southern American English. Having spent a fair amount of time down South, it's pretty easy to see the similarities.

I found this part interesting from the link you posted -AAVE has been the center of controversy about the education of African American youths, the role AAVE should play in public schools and education, and its place in broader society. Educators have held that attempts should be made to eliminate AAVE usage through the public education system. Criticisms from social commentators and educators have ranged from asserting that AAVE is an intrinsically deficient form of speech to arguments that its use, by being considered unacceptable in most cultural contexts, is socially limiting.[57] It is often argued that incorporating AAVE in schools would only impede the academic progress of young African American children.[citation needed] Some of the harshest criticisms of AAVE have come from other African Americans.[58] A conspicuous example was the "Pound Cake speech" of Bill Cosby, which criticized members of the African American community for various social behavior including exclusive use of AAVE.

Sorry that I called you old. This is only somewhat related, but I find it interesting that there are now more non-native English speakers in the world than there are native-English speakers. Of course, African American's are native-English speakers, but a long time ago they weren't. This process where English takes on a specific vernacular is happening all around the world, and English is fused with other languages to create something we native-speakers would barely recognize. As such, there is now some question as to the "ownership" of "true English." Of course, any Brit will tell you that we Americans have already bastardized the language just as we might tell that to someone speaking Ebonics, or to someone in a foreign culture who actually speaks another language as his mother tongue.

For example, I have been living in South Korea for about a year now, and there is something here called Konglish. It's every where, and while it isn't a fully developed vernacular like Ebonics, it's not really English and it's certainly not Korean. (For more, here)

Also, this weekend I was on the bus and there were some guys from South Africa speaking to Australians in your typical English, but then one of them took a phone call from someone else who I assume was also South African and he began to speak in a dialect that I assumed to be half English and half Dutch. If I paid attention very carefully I could understand maybe 70% of it.

I find all of this very fascinating.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Again, I'm going to post this. Read. Learn. Coming from a Linguistics background and having done a fairly thorough study of AAVE myself, I found that it's a legitimate dialect with rules and structure. No dialect or language is "superior" to any other language. Speaking one or the other does not make you better, more educated or more refined than someone who speaks another language or dialect. What's interesting here on a linguistics level is how similar AAVE is to Southern American English. Having spent a fair amount of time down South, it's pretty easy to see the similarities.

I found this part interesting from the link you posted -AAVE has been the center of controversy about the education of African American youths, the role AAVE should play in public schools and education, and its place in broader society. Educators have held that attempts should be made to eliminate AAVE usage through the public education system. Criticisms from social commentators and educators have ranged from asserting that AAVE is an intrinsically deficient form of speech to arguments that its use, by being considered unacceptable in most cultural contexts, is socially limiting.[57] It is often argued that incorporating AAVE in schools would only impede the academic progress of young African American children.[citation needed] Some of the harshest criticisms of AAVE have come from other African Americans.[58] A conspicuous example was the "Pound Cake speech" of Bill Cosby, which criticized members of the African American community for various social behavior including exclusive use of AAVE.

I had a high school English teacher tell me that language was never correct or incorrect. It was either appropriate or inappropriate. His example was that it was completely appropriate to use certain words and styles of speech around your friends that would be inappropriate to use in front of your grandmother. It wasn't that it was wrong, it was just wrong for that given situation.With AAVE, hardcore Southern American English, Spanglish, or whatever it's not a matter of it being "wrong" or a sign of lack of education or intelligence. You could argue that it's inappropriate for a TV show, but going beyond that gets into personal bias which isn't a valid argument.

That's ok, I should probably stop talking about the subject now because it would be very difficult not to inject personal bias on the subject. I'll just end it by saying that when I listen to commentators on TV I prefer less AAVE and less animation, and more insight and some humor. Of course that's personal bias.

 

[everydayj]

Again, I'm going to post this. Read. Learn. Coming from a Linguistics background and having done a fairly thorough study of AAVE myself, I found that it's a legitimate dialect with rules and structure. No dialect or language is "superior" to any other language. Speaking one or the other does not make you better, more educated or more refined than someone who speaks another language or dialect. What's interesting here on a linguistics level is how similar AAVE is to Southern American English. Having spent a fair amount of time down South, it's pretty easy to see the similarities.

I found this part interesting from the link you posted -AAVE has been the center of controversy about the education of African American youths, the role AAVE should play in public schools and education, and its place in broader society. Educators have held that attempts should be made to eliminate AAVE usage through the public education system. Criticisms from social commentators and educators have ranged from asserting that AAVE is an intrinsically deficient form of speech to arguments that its use, by being considered unacceptable in most cultural contexts, is socially limiting.[57] It is often argued that incorporating AAVE in schools would only impede the academic progress of young African American children.[citation needed] Some of the harshest criticisms of AAVE have come from other African Americans.[58] A conspicuous example was the "Pound Cake speech" of Bill Cosby, which criticized members of the African American community for various social behavior including exclusive use of AAVE.

I had a high school English teacher tell me that language was never correct or incorrect. It was either appropriate or inappropriate. His example was that it was completely appropriate to use certain words and styles of speech around your friends that would be inappropriate to use in front of your grandmother. It wasn't that it was wrong, it was just wrong for that given situation.With AAVE, hardcore Southern American English, Spanglish, or whatever it's not a matter of it being "wrong" or a sign of lack of education or intelligence. You could argue that it's inappropriate for a TV show, but going beyond that gets into personal bias which isn't a valid argument.

What you're referring to are language registers. We all use different registers, some with our friends, another with our boss, and another with your family. Look here for a better explanation. With countries that have a great amount of dialects, as most do, you find that different dialects fall on different places in the register spectrum. In broadcast news, we were so used to newcasters using Broadcast English for so long that for us to here anything different is a slight shock to your system. Children raised in this place in time, though, will be more used to hearing different people speak different dialects on the tube as opposed to most of us seeing "proper" English on the TV for so long. Times are changing.

 

[zed2283]

Again, I'm going to post this. Read. Learn. Coming from a Linguistics background and having done a fairly thorough study of AAVE myself, I found that it's a legitimate dialect with rules and structure. No dialect or language is "superior" to any other language. Speaking one or the other does not make you better, more educated or more refined than someone who speaks another language or dialect. What's interesting here on a linguistics level is how similar AAVE is to Southern American English. Having spent a fair amount of time down South, it's pretty easy to see the similarities.

I found this part interesting from the link you posted -AAVE has been the center of controversy about the education of African American youths, the role AAVE should play in public schools and education, and its place in broader society. Educators have held that attempts should be made to eliminate AAVE usage through the public education system. Criticisms from social commentators and educators have ranged from asserting that AAVE is an intrinsically deficient form of speech to arguments that its use, by being considered unacceptable in most cultural contexts, is socially limiting.[57] It is often argued that incorporating AAVE in schools would only impede the academic progress of young African American children.[citation needed] Some of the harshest criticisms of AAVE have come from other African Americans.[58] A conspicuous example was the "Pound Cake speech" of Bill Cosby, which criticized members of the African American community for various social behavior including exclusive use of AAVE.

I had a high school English teacher tell me that language was never correct or incorrect. It was either appropriate or inappropriate. His example was that it was completely appropriate to use certain words and styles of speech around your friends that would be inappropriate to use in front of your grandmother. It wasn't that it was wrong, it was just wrong for that given situation.With AAVE, hardcore Southern American English, Spanglish, or whatever it's not a matter of it being "wrong" or a sign of lack of education or intelligence. You could argue that it's inappropriate for a TV show, but going beyond that gets into personal bias which isn't a valid argument.

That's ok, I should probably stop talking about the subject now because it would be very difficult not to inject personal bias on the subject. I'll just end it by saying that when I listen to commentators on TV I prefer less AAVE and less animation, and more insight and some humor. Of course that's personal bias.

Don't worry Hoss, I'm with you!

 

[Pooh Tong and Nemo]

 

[Mimo]

That's too bad.

I'm not getting it either. maybe it's an "old" thing.

So, you are saying that hood slang / ebonics is not a "black thing"? If not, then I stand corrected that it's just a "generation thing".

That's correct, Hood slang/ebonics is not a "Black thing" bro.That's just Deion's "presentation/style."