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Demaryius Thomas used to be injured long ago (2 Viewers)
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yesno
That sucks
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Ouch. But it seems like the Broncos think he'll be fine in time for camp and the season.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
I think you read it wrong. It says Royal will be back from hip problems in time for camp.Achilles = long recovery, career in jeopardy
JbizzleMan
Footballguy
Bump Lloyd?
It's 2011, acl's don't end careers of young players anymore, and haven't for the past 10 years.It definitely sucks though and the recovery can take some time.
onlyseventeenpoints?
Footballguy
Tough break for Thomas. Any WRs come back from this in the recent past?
Id say Decker is the biggest beneficiary here. Lloyd should have never left folks top 10-15 for 2011.
@Vic Lombardi
Still trying to confirm if it was a full or partial tear. Could make a huge difference in when/if Thomas returns.
Still trying to confirm if it was a full or partial tear. Could make a huge difference in when/if Thomas returns.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
Decker is the primary beneficiary here. He runs good routes, has sticky hands, and decent run after the catch ability. He should become a trusted target of Tim Tebow on underneath routes and WR screens.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Wow, that sucks. I guess its good for Lloyd owners, though. Even if Decker is the bigger direct beneficiary, Thomas is the bigger threat to Lloyd's future role as the #1 on that team.
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Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
depends on the severity. Achilles' injuries are incredibly serious, much more than an ACL (knee) tear.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Which, of course, has nothing at all to do with Thomas's Achilles tear.Off the top of my head, I can't think of any NFL player that has come back from a full Achilles tear and been the same.
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
Correct, but ACL does not equal Achilles...Ronald Curry (or Donald, as he was often referred to around here) blew out two achilles', and while he was not a star, he barely came back, let alone live up to expectations.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
You're right I mis-read things.
Oops i misunderstood and thought acl tear. I have no clue about the history of achilles tears. Ouch for thomas.
Schefter says ruptured. Uh oh
@AdamSchefter
A blow for the Broncos: WR Demaryius Thomas ruptured his Achilles during an off-season workout. KCNC in Denver first reported injury.
@AdamSchefter
A blow for the Broncos: WR Demaryius Thomas ruptured his Achilles during an off-season workout. KCNC in Denver first reported injury.
After reading up on achilles ruptures im ready to write thomas off.
What a shame, monster talent who will never be able to show it in the nfl
at least you got some decent coin and entered the nfl before the rookie salary cap.
RIP DT
4/2010 - 2/2011
Your career was short but brought hope and joy to many of us.
What a shame, monster talent who will never be able to show it in the nfl
at least you got some decent coin and entered the nfl before the rookie salary cap.
RIP DT
4/2010 - 2/2011
Your career was short but brought hope and joy to many of us.
mlball77
Footballguy
Huge bummer for Thomas and Broncos fans (and Thomas dynasty owners).I'm thinking that this will give Decker more of a shot to work heavily into the WR rotation. From a dynasty value perspective, this might be a positive for Lloyd, Royal and Decker.
I was in the pool
Footballguy
I wouldn't worry about Gaffney long-term if I was a Decker owner...
I was in the pool
Footballguy
http://www.emaxhealth.com/1275/2/35136/ach...fl-careers.html
Here is a link about research on the impact of the injury on NFL players..... 36% never play again.
Here is a link about research on the impact of the injury on NFL players..... 36% never play again.
LarryAllen'sJockstrap
Footballguy
Man, just think...
2009
(1-11) RB Knowshon Moreno
(1-18) DE Robert Ayers
(2-37) CB Alphonso Smith
(2-48) S Darcel McBath
(2-64) TE Richard Quinn
2010
(1-22) WR Demaryius Thomas
(1-25) QB Tim Tebow
(2-45) OT Zane Beadles
Could have been...
2009
(1-11) QB Josh Freeman
(1-18) OT Michael Oher
(2-37) S Darius Byrd
(2-48) RB LeSean McCoy
(2-64) DE Michael Johnson
2010
(1-22) WR Dez Bryant
(1-25) CB Devin McCourty
(2-45) TE Aaron Hernandez
2009
(1-11) RB Knowshon Moreno
(1-18) DE Robert Ayers
(2-37) CB Alphonso Smith
(2-48) S Darcel McBath
(2-64) TE Richard Quinn
2010
(1-22) WR Demaryius Thomas
(1-25) QB Tim Tebow
(2-45) OT Zane Beadles
Could have been...
2009
(1-11) QB Josh Freeman
(1-18) OT Michael Oher
(2-37) S Darius Byrd
(2-48) RB LeSean McCoy
(2-64) DE Michael Johnson
2010
(1-22) WR Dez Bryant
(1-25) CB Devin McCourty
(2-45) TE Aaron Hernandez
I was in the pool
Footballguy
It's amazing the difference between good drafting and bad.... you can turn a franchise completely around in 2-3 years of good drafting. The last few years have shown me that the NFL isn't a level playing ground. You have some teams/GMs that can draft and always be in the mix, and others that don't have it. Something needs to change or these teams will perpetually be behind - with the odds stacked against them.
Spike
Footballguy
You can play that across your keyboard for every team.
DeCleater
Footballguy
Paging Jerry Jones...
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
that sucks. While it bumps Decker maybe long-term I think Gaffney for 2011 is probably still the play
IllegalPete
Footballguy
Does he have any fantasy value left? If so what would you trade to get him player or picks (PPR)?
I was kinda thinking Orakpo@1.11 in '09, but yeah that Josh Freeman dude is pretty good too.
sure, this is probably the perfect time to get him if you are a believer and missed out in the rookie draft. I would start talks if at a 3rd or mid-level prospect just to take his owner's temperature.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I think Thomas is as good a prospect as has come along in quite awhile. And when you factor in the character concerns on Bryant (no idea why people don't think they matter - NFL teams clearly did or he'd have been a top-5 pick). I think the Broncos nailed it by taking Thomas first. A position I backed up by landing him in eight leagues. Oof.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Justin Harrell comes to mind. Ted Thompson's worst ever pick.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
He played 26/27 games his last two season at Tech. The pre-combine foot was the first injury he'd had.But hindsight is still 20/20 I guess.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
IMO this is the perfect test case Hoss. The problem with most of the blown achilles guys in the past is that they were already old or already not very good. Thomas is an elite talent and only 23 years old. If he doesn't make it back from this then I don't see anyone doing it.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Per Adam Schefter who was actually retweeting Chris Wessling (F&L) 36% of players that have suffered the injury have never played again and none have ever been the same.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Well said. Plus, if you're looking for a reason for optimism, I saw multiple people last night insisting that Achilles surgery and rehab is far more advanced now than it was in the 1980s and 1990s. I'm not optimistic myself, though. This is just about the worst injury a wide receiver or running back could have.
cmv5
Footballguy
Yes, this will be a test case. I remember when it happened to Ronald Curry. He was having a monster game against the Chiefs when it happened. I believe he re-injured it the following year. He eventually overcame the injury but he definitely didn't seem to be the same player. Maybe it will be like microfracture surgery where the younger guys seemed to be able to bounce back from the injury.Well said. Plus, if you're looking for a reason for optimism, I saw multiple people last night insisting that Achilles surgery and rehab is far more advanced now than it was in the 1980s and 1990s. I'm not optimistic myself, though. This is just about the worst injury a wide receiver or running back could have.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
This is terrible for Thomas.. I don't know much about him personally but you always hate to see someone lose what they've work so hard for.. Maybe he'll be able to bring it back
As a Eddie Royal owner though, I feel more comfortable..
Maybe Eddie can be a fantasy WR2-3 afterall
As a Eddie Royal owner though, I feel more comfortable..
Maybe Eddie can be a fantasy WR2-3 afterall
Curry also injured his right achilles in college and came back from that one.Yes, this will be a test case. I remember when it happened to Ronald Curry. He was having a monster game against the Chiefs when it happened. I believe he re-injured it the following year. He eventually overcame the injury but he definitely didn't seem to be the same player. Maybe it will be like microfracture surgery where the younger guys seemed to be able to bounce back from the injury.Well said. Plus, if you're looking for a reason for optimism, I saw multiple people last night insisting that Achilles surgery and rehab is far more advanced now than it was in the 1980s and 1990s. I'm not optimistic myself, though. This is just about the worst injury a wide receiver or running back could have.
That stat is a bit misleading.There is just so little history in the past 10 years of notable players in their 20's who have ruptured their achilles.I tried to find names of players who had it happen and there are so few of note recently that we're almost in unchartered territory.If a guy at the end of the bench has any kind of major injury he's likely never going to be able to make a roster again no matter if he recovers or not, so saying those guys never made it back in a study is pretty irrelevant.DT will be an interesting case study.
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
This is anecdotal - but it may be useful for some, as I ruptured my achilles tendon 10 months ago. I tore my ACL 18 years ago. Take all of this with multiple grains of salt:
A tendon is fibrous connective tissue that typically connects muscle and bone. ( ligament connects bone to bone). Your achilles connects your calf to your heel. When you rupture it, your foot stops working, it becomes like a flipper connected to the end of a stick. When they repair your Achilles, it is rough messy surgery. Basically, both ends of torm achilles look like a mop. They put those frayed ends together as best they can, and run a ton of stitches through it to hold it together.
Your repaired achilles is always: a bit shorter, a bit tighter, a bit weaker. Additionally, if you calf muscles were initially in decent shape (which is likely the case for an NFL player), your calf on your achilles side will always be somewhat smaller and weaker. THis isn't a situation like the ACL, where the surgery is cleaner and you can work on building muscles around the knee, and get very close to 100%. I would say, best case scenario, THomas will need at least 12 months to get to 80% and likely will never get more back to more than 90%. He will likely have prolonged issues with Achilles soreness/stiffness, and could have some real issues in cold weather games. I live in Maine, and on colder days, my achilles is extremely tight, even with a good amount of stretching.
A tendon is fibrous connective tissue that typically connects muscle and bone. ( ligament connects bone to bone). Your achilles connects your calf to your heel. When you rupture it, your foot stops working, it becomes like a flipper connected to the end of a stick. When they repair your Achilles, it is rough messy surgery. Basically, both ends of torm achilles look like a mop. They put those frayed ends together as best they can, and run a ton of stitches through it to hold it together.
Your repaired achilles is always: a bit shorter, a bit tighter, a bit weaker. Additionally, if you calf muscles were initially in decent shape (which is likely the case for an NFL player), your calf on your achilles side will always be somewhat smaller and weaker. THis isn't a situation like the ACL, where the surgery is cleaner and you can work on building muscles around the knee, and get very close to 100%. I would say, best case scenario, THomas will need at least 12 months to get to 80% and likely will never get more back to more than 90%. He will likely have prolonged issues with Achilles soreness/stiffness, and could have some real issues in cold weather games. I live in Maine, and on colder days, my achilles is extremely tight, even with a good amount of stretching.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Good contribution. Do you mind me asking your age when you tore the achilles?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I agree for the most part. However, Andre Brown, the Giants rookie RB, who was relatively highly touted (especially on this site), hasn't been able to latch on with another team since the injury though. He's bounced around with Indy, Wash and Denver since missing his rookie season.It's not a deathknell, but has to be a concern.
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
I was 39. So, Thomas definitely has youth on his side. However, my surgeon has done work on a number of Hockey players in their teens and twenties, and the prognosis was the same. You certainly can participate in sports again, but with how the surgery is performed, and the nature of the relationship between calf and achilles, you can never get back to much more than 90% on the bad leg.Now, Thomas might have the ability to still flourish at less than 100%. I am not saying that. I was just trying to save people a bit of time from searching around on the web as to what the surgery entails, and what your Achilles is responsible for in you body. It is just a hard thing to completely repair.It's a big deal. There is a reason there is the mythological story about the Achilles tendon, and a great hero being laid low by a seemingly inconsequential arrow.
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