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Denard Robinson position listed as "OW" (1 Viewer)

chad in Indy

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I didn't see a player spotlight for him so I'm sorry if he already has another thread going. Robinson's position being listed as "OW" (offensive weapon) by the Jags. If this holds, wanted to see people's thougths on his FF implications since he would be eligible at any roster spot. I know he is undersized/rookie/etc, but I remember when Coleston came into the league and could be put in as a TE/WR and helped a lot of teams out.

 
I'm guessing it will all depend on the fantasy site being used to host the league as to what position he's given. I'm assuming most will list him as a WR.

 
The only magical sleeper value here is if somehow both Henne and Gabbert get hurt or fail, and they try him at QB. If you can start 2QB in a 1QB league you have a bit of an advantage. This happened recently when Joe Webb was given WR eligibility as a rookie and ended up starting a few games during the Favre years.

Ultimately I doubt any league host gives him QB (or TE) eligibility unless he is listed on an NFL depth chart at those positions or some other unlikely criteria.

 
Seems like an off-season media stunt to me. Pretty sure the NFL has strict position labels and wouldn't allow "OW" to be listed during the season. Positions are also written into the CBA. He'll be designated as a specific skill position player by the end of training camp.

 
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Seems like an off-season media stunt to me. Pretty sure the NFL has strict position labels and wouldn't allow "OW" to be listed during the season. Positions are also written into the CBA. He'll be designated as a specific skill position player by the end of training camp.
I haven't looked at the whole CBA since 2003 (actually had a printed copy of it at one time). Positions are listed in there for franchise player contract info and the like. However, in gamebooks odd (more specific) positions will appear such as MIKE and WILL and SE.

 
As was said lame publicity stunt that sets Robinson up for trash talk. Hopefully he focuses on transitioning to RB. He's going to need a transition year to gain more muscle and change his running style so he isn't laid out. Can still flash his potential during this time.

 
So how do people feel about this guy after his 9-32 performance? I know it's preseason game one, but I thought he looked like a RB--which is good IMO. Any chance he can turn into sort of a bizarro Cobb/Harvin (more rushes with some slot snaps mixed in)?

 
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ROYALWITCHEESE said:
So how do people feel about this guy after his 9-32 performance? I know it's preseason game one, but I thought he looked like a RB--which is good IMO. Any chance he can turn into sort of a bizarro Cobb/Harvin (more rushes with some slot snaps mixed in)?
One of the things that made Harvin into a multi-purpose player (beyond his ability) is the fact that Minny needed it (I feel he was much more gadgety early in his career than Cobb, though both have similar abilities). Not sure he is polished enough on the receiving side to be a Harvin/Cobb-type with the emphasis on receiving, but he could be very similar to Reggie Bush today (rushing first, but always a threat to catch).

Truth is, they are depending on a guy coming back from an injury, who has a ton of touches to his name to provide the game-breaking element. No knock on MJD, but I just don't think that is his role anymore. I think MJD will be the Fred Taylor to Robinson's rookie MJD circa 2006.

ETA: Not forgetting Shorts and Blackmon, but they have to get the ball in their hands before they can do anything and I think Gabbert is better at handoffs than passing...if/when Henne comes in, I think the offense as a whole has to be reevaluated from a fantasy perspective.

 
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I think his value could depend on large part on his designation in your league. On MFL he's listed as a RB. Not sure what he's listed as on Yahoo, ESPN, CBS, RTS, etc. Anyone else know other designations? I'm thinking Marques Colston rookie year phenomenon.

If he's a QB -- zero value.

If he's a RB -- limited value.

If he's a WR -- potentially valuable as a bye-week/injury fill in at WR3.

 
I think his value could depend on large part on his designation in your league. On MFL he's listed as a RB. Not sure what he's listed as on Yahoo, ESPN, CBS, RTS, etc. Anyone else know other designations? I'm thinking Marques Colston rookie year phenomenon.

If he's a QB -- zero value.

If he's a RB -- limited value.

If he's a WR -- potentially valuable as a bye-week/injury fill in at WR3.
Nope.

 
I think his value could depend on large part on his designation in your league. On MFL he's listed as a RB. Not sure what he's listed as on Yahoo, ESPN, CBS, RTS, etc. Anyone else know other designations? I'm thinking Marques Colston rookie year phenomenon.

If he's a QB -- zero value.

If he's a RB -- limited value.

If he's a WR -- potentially valuable as a bye-week/injury fill in at WR3.
Nope.
I was referring to Colston being listed as a TE during his rookie year in some leagues. Nothing to do with Robinson's usage or totals.

 
He's WR/RB-eligible on Yahoo last I checked, not unlike a handful of other players (McCluster at one point, Reynaud, and so on).

 
I think his value could depend on large part on his designation in your league. On MFL he's listed as a RB. Not sure what he's listed as on Yahoo, ESPN, CBS, RTS, etc. Anyone else know other designations? I'm thinking Marques Colston rookie year phenomenon.

If he's a QB -- zero value.

If he's a RB -- limited value.

If he's a WR -- potentially valuable as a bye-week/injury fill in at WR3.
Nope.
I was referring to Colston being listed as a TE during his rookie year in some leagues. Nothing to do with Robinson's usage or totals.
Denard isn't going to be utilized enough this year to be fantasy relevant outside of desperation bye week/injury filler in very deep leagues.

His value lies in 2014 and beyond, it depends on how he plays this year, but he's just not going to see enough touches to be worth anything this year. Maybe if he were on a good offense, but not Jacksonville.

 
This would be great if the Jags actually had an offense that threatened to score a little more. Maybe this looks better with Henne and with Blackmon out to start, I don't know.

 
I thought Robinson looked real good last night and very involved. He's listed as wr/rb on yahoo. His regular season involvement remains a mystery but if he can get 10+ touches per game we could see flex value from him and an mjd injury could make him fantasy gold.

Anyone else taking a flier in this kid? He's sitting only leagues ww waiting to be picked up. Thinking of dropping fleener for him and stashing him.

 
Reminds me of mccluster
Yes but bigger and more durable perhaps? And with the ability to play more positions including qb and wildcat. And with a coaching staff that seems intent on involving him in the offense rather than shielding him from injury.

 
Reminds me of mccluster
Yes but bigger and more durable perhaps? And with the ability to play more positions including qb and wildcat. And with a coaching staff that seems intent on involving him in the offense rather than shielding him from injury.
yeah yeah we'll see
I hear ya. I'm reaching. But my reaches work out a lot. Last year I reached on Alexander when the chargers picked him up and people were laughing me out of the forums until he became a top 5 wr rest of the way.

Of course this means nothing towards whether denard will work out but he's a speculative add that ill stash and take a wait and see approach. It cost me nothing to add him.

 
Reminds me of mccluster
Yes but bigger and more durable perhaps? And with the ability to play more positions including qb and wildcat. And with a coaching staff that seems intent on involving him in the offense rather than shielding him from injury.
yeah yeah we'll see
I hear ya. I'm reaching. But my reaches work out a lot. Last year I reached on Alexander when the chargers picked him up and people were laughing me out of the forums until he became a top 5 wr rest of the way.

Of course this means nothing towards whether denard will work out but he's a speculative add that ill stash and take a wait and see approach. It cost me nothing to add him.
McCluster can look phenomenal some plays and in time it just became oh well lots of shake N bake, little production.(Yes Reid has said he loved the guy and will use him more, but then he made him 4th WR)

I don't see this role(OW) or a role for Denard really. It's not to say he's untalented or not exciting, it's just he has things stacked pretty well in front of him.

I like Brown and Ace and by so many accounts they've done real well.

Forsett seems to be the backup RB with him as the third.

I don't doubt he could come in and sub for anyone there including Gabbert, but we need 100 yard days in FF for this to work.

I'd totally hold onto him in dynasty as MJD seems to be showing signs of wear; the potential is there, etc.

If MJD gets hurt, I don't think it'll be 100% Forsett by any stretch. This seems his best shot at playing significantly this year.

Best for the Jags might be him playing QB the entire game but I doubt that happens.

I can't reason out 100 yards for this guy on any given sunday.

If you're going to say 40 yards passing, 30 receiving and 30 rushing...ok then but I'd be apprehensive.

Rookie excitement leading to a bigger role in 2014 makes way more sense here IMO

 
Y'all are just looking for something to hype. McCluster is a good comparison, as in not worthy of rostering, but talked about all year on an "if only" basis.

Harvin comparisons are ridiculous. Harvin was the #1 recruit coming out of high school, and regarded as one of the top playmakers in his draft. He slipped to later in the first for non football reasons.

He's more likely to be Armanti Edwards than anything worth rostering except in very deep leagues.

 
Reminds me of mccluster
Isn't Denard bigger and faster than McCluster? McCluster is 5'8" and 180lbs

Robinson is 5'10" and 200lbs

McCluster ran a 4.58 40

Robinson ran a 4.43 40

Edited to add measurables

 
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Y'all are just looking for something to hype. McCluster is a good comparison, as in not worthy of rostering, but talked about all year on an "if only" basis.

Harvin comparisons are ridiculous. Harvin was the #1 recruit coming out of high school, and regarded as one of the top playmakers in his draft. He slipped to later in the first for non football reasons.

He's more likely to be Armanti Edwards than anything worth rostering except in very deep leagues.
Edwards is 3rd WR this year and named training camp MVP by the coach....just an FYI because it's shocking is all. I still get your point

 
In space he's great obviously, but when he tries to move between the tackles, he looks like he could get snapped in half.

 
In space he's great obviously, but when he tries to move between the tackles, he looks like he could get snapped in half.
In those first 2 preseason games he looks like he belongs, to me. Not sure what you have been watching.
It was watching him in those 2 preseason games that made the light bulb turn on for me about him.

Again I know it's a stretch but I'm stashing him as a last spot on my roster.

 
Not much from the offensive weapon so far. As a team, if you list a guy as OW, wouldn't you work him into the offense more.

Makes that Jags look ridiculous doing this. Might as well list him as a Punter or Long Snapper. At least then you would understand why he's not putting up more points. But, Offensive Weapon?

 
I agree. You'd think they could really use him with the sort of short burst passing that we're seeing in San Diego and mix it up with some runs.

 
The jags are a horrible team and organization that doomed themselves to failure by walking not grabbing a top QB in their first 2 rounds...just stupid. They could have had EJ Manuel, but instead decided to draft a great player no doubt that will protect the QB, but who is he protecting?

If they were not going to focus on a QB in the draft they should have traded for Alex Smith...or another big time QB...and give up a lot for him. That team is doomed until they find a franchise QB.

 
The jags are a horrible team and organization that doomed themselves to failure by walking not grabbing a top QB in their first 2 rounds...just stupid. They could have had EJ Manuel, but instead decided to draft a great player no doubt that will protect the QB, but who is he protecting?

If they were not going to focus on a QB in the draft they should have traded for Alex Smith...or another big time QB...and give up a lot for him. That team is doomed until they find a franchise QB.
EJ Manuel at #2? Yikes.

They absolutely need a franchise QB, but I think Joeckel was the no-brainer choice at #2. Pretty much everyone agrees that this was a very weak QB draft, so I don't blame them for not reaching for one. Alex Smith also isn't the answer for them, especially not at the price it would have taken.

 
Frankly, Denard Robinson might be the best QB on the jags as we speak...why not give him a shot?
Shoelace could barely throw to college receivers.
:goodposting:

The Jags are using him properly, anybody expecting much this year from him was kidding themselves. Just expect development throughout the year, whether the pieces get put together or not is something for 2014; not now.

If Matt Scott gets the call late in the season, dare I say, I may actually tune into some Jags games. It will at the very least be entertaining.

 
Frankly, Denard Robinson might be the best QB on the jags as we speak...why not give him a shot?
Shoelace could barely throw to college receivers.
:goodposting: The Jags are using him properly, anybody expecting much this year from him was kidding themselves. Just expect development throughout the year, whether the pieces get put together or not is something for 2014; not now.

If Matt Scott gets the call late in the season, dare I say, I may actually tune into some Jags games. It will at the very least be entertaining.
If the jags had more weapons or a half decent qb I'd understand, but they're awful. They have almost no talent on the team, what's to lose by trying to throw him a screen or something. He's a space player get him in space and get him the ball. Can't be any worse than what they're doing now
 
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They won't even throw to MJD who is proven as a receiver. What chance does Denard have?

Really questioning the Jags offensive staff. No way should the offense have gotten worse since last year.

 
Frankly, Denard Robinson might be the best QB on the jags as we speak...why not give him a shot?
Shoelace could barely throw to college receivers.
:goodposting: The Jags are using him properly, anybody expecting much this year from him was kidding themselves. Just expect development throughout the year, whether the pieces get put together or not is something for 2014; not now.

If Matt Scott gets the call late in the season, dare I say, I may actually tune into some Jags games. It will at the very least be entertaining.
If the jags had more weapons or a half decent qb I'd understand, but they're awful. They have almost no talent on the team, what's to lose by trying to throw him a screen or something. He's a space player get him in space and get him the ball. Can't be any worse than what they're doing now
I'll be disappointed if his role doesn't expand throughout the season. I just didn't expect much early on. Once the coaches throw in the towel on the season I think we'll see it. Despite the writing being on the wall from the outside, they're still going into work everyday expecting to turn it around.

 

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