Denard 'Shoelace' Robinson and his Chris Johnson potential (1 Viewer)

[Faust]

Dolphins' defense must beware of Denard Robinson

 

[Faust]

Can the Jaguars ride Denard Robinson?

 

[Faust]

Jaguars unsure how carries will be split

 

[Ilov80s]

I really hope it works out for him, he's seems like the nicest guy in the world. He is always smile long and having fun. My favorites memories are of him attending the UM basketball games and celebrating in the stands with the average students. He treated it just like he was a normal student and seemed to love being amongst the other kids in the student section.

 

[DoubleG]

Who cares about long term, a season is happening now and he has relevance at this moment.

Dynasty players care about long term. I'm sure everyone reading this isn't just redraft.

Dynasty league's aren't handing out championships this season???

 

[EastonBlues22]

Who cares about long term, a season is happening now and he has relevance at this moment.

Dynasty players care about long term. I'm sure everyone reading this isn't just redraft.

Dynasty league's aren't handing out championships this season???

They are, and next year as well I'd wager.

There are a finite number of benches in every league. If Robinson's ROS upside is your 3rd or 4th best RB option, and the cost to obtain him involves dropping someone like Latimer or Moncrief, then Robinson's prospects beyond the immediate now are definitely a major consideration.

 

[Jerry Curl]

Who cares about long term, a season is happening now and he has relevance at this moment.

Dynasty players care about long term. I'm sure everyone reading this isn't just redraft.

Dynasty league's aren't handing out championships this season???

They are, and next year as well I'd wager.

There are a finite number of benches in every league. If Robinson's ROS upside is your 3rd or 4th best RB option, and the cost to obtain him involves dropping someone like Latimer or Moncrief, then Robinson's prospects beyond the immediate now are definitely a major consideration.

You know, when I wake up in the morning I say "I'm not worried about what happens today, I'm just gonna worry about what happens 10 months from now." I say to my lady "Honey, I am not worried about paying the bills this month, lets save that money for 10 months from now. I know we have bills now, but we will have bills next year too." When I was in college, I always worried more about next semesters classes then the current semester, so I understand the reason and why its so important to worry about things in the future over the now.

 

[EastonBlues22]

Who cares about long term, a season is happening now and he has relevance at this moment.

Dynasty players care about long term. I'm sure everyone reading this isn't just redraft.

Dynasty league's aren't handing out championships this season???

They are, and next year as well I'd wager.

There are a finite number of benches in every league. If Robinson's ROS upside is your 3rd or 4th best RB option, and the cost to obtain him involves dropping someone like Latimer or Moncrief, then Robinson's prospects beyond the immediate now are definitely a major consideration.

You know, when I wake up in the morning I say "I'm not worried about what happens today, I'm just gonna worry about what happens 10 months from now." I say to my lady "Honey, I am not worried about paying the bills this month, lets save that money for 10 months from now. I know we have bills now, but we will have bills next year too." When I was in college, I always worried more about next semesters classes then the current semester, so I understand the reason and why its so important to worry about things in the future over the now.

Same exact thing about worrying about a fantasy team next year. I know some are in dynasty leagues, I am in a few, but I at no point worry about next dynasty season. Not ever or not until I am eliminated and If you are already eliminated, I would safely say it is because you are always worrying about next year and not caring about this year.

The point is that you need to balance the two concerns in a dynasty league, not to focus on either one completely at the expense of the other. An ideally constructed dynasty team will be a legitimate contender now without significantly neglecting the future. They are not mutually exclusive concepts.

In a redraft league, you almost certainly pick up Robinson if you have the room because he's low cost (likely WW) and you have little to lose by dropping the last guy off your bench for him. If he flops, it doesn't matter because you draft a whole new team next year.

In dynasty, there are consequences for making that move (assuming you actually have some high upside stashes at the end of your bench, as most well-run dynasty teams do). Would you drop Michael or Bryce Brown to pick up Denard Robinson? Latimer? Marqise Lee? It becomes much tougher to decide where to draw that line.

All of them could easily be justified with a "win now" mindset, but I think those would all be bad plays in almost any deep format dynasty league. The only reason you would consider it would be if you thought he was a good bet to retain the job moving forward while performing well in the process. If you think he'll be in a RBBC with Gerhart, or that he ultimately will settle in as a COP back, or that JAX will draft another back in 2015, then it becomes a pretty bad dynasty play to drop anything of value for him. If you need to bolster your team's chances for winning this year, you're better off using your current assets to make a trade for a better player.

 

[Faust]

Jaguars to 'mix and match' as Toby Gerhart returns

 

[Banger]

I'm interested to see how this shakes out. I went for him in all my leagues (got him in 2 of 3) over the Bills situation because I think he has a shot to be the guy as opposed to a time share for a couple weeks with FJax coming back into the picture at some point.

 

[I Am the Stig]

Who cares about long term, a season is happening now and he has relevance at this moment.

Dynasty players care about long term. I'm sure everyone reading this isn't just redraft.

Dynasty league's aren't handing out championships this season???

They are, and next year as well I'd wager.

There are a finite number of benches in every league. If Robinson's ROS upside is your 3rd or 4th best RB option, and the cost to obtain him involves dropping someone like Latimer or Moncrief, then Robinson's prospects beyond the immediate now are definitely a major consideration.

You know, when I wake up in the morning I say "I'm not worried about what happens today, I'm just gonna worry about what happens 10 months from now." I say to my lady "Honey, I am not worried about paying the bills this month, lets save that money for 10 months from now. I know we have bills now, but we will have bills next year too." When I was in college, I always worried more about next semesters classes then the current semester, so I understand the reason and why its so important to worry about things in the future over the now.

Same exact thing about worrying about a fantasy team next year. I know some are in dynasty leagues, I am in a few, but I at no point worry about next dynasty season. Not ever or not until I am eliminated and If you are already eliminated, I would safely say it is because you are always worrying about next year and not caring about this year.

The point is that you need to balance the two concerns in a dynasty league, not to focus on either one completely at the expense of the other. An ideally constructed dynasty team will be a legitimate contender now without significantly neglecting the future. They are not mutually exclusive concepts.

In a redraft league, you almost certainly pick up Robinson if you have the room because he's low cost (likely WW) and you have little to lose by dropping the last guy off your bench for him. If he flops, it doesn't matter because you draft a whole new team next year.

In dynasty, there are consequences for making that move (assuming you actually have some high upside stashes at the end of your bench, as most well-run dynasty teams do). Would you drop Michael or Bryce Brown to pick up Denard Robinson? Latimer? Marqise Lee? It becomes much tougher to decide where to draw that line.

All of them could easily be justified with a "win now" mindset, but I think those would all be bad plays in almost any deep format dynasty league. The only reason you would consider it would be if you thought he was a good bet to retain the job moving forward while performing well in the process. If you think he'll be in a RBBC with Gerhart, or that he ultimately will settle in as a COP back, or that JAX will draft another back in 2015, then it becomes a pretty bad dynasty play to drop anything of value for him. If you need to bolster your team's chances for winning this year, you're better off using your current assets to make a trade for a better player.

Who cares about long term, a season is happening now and he has relevance at this moment.

Dynasty players care about long term. I'm sure everyone reading this isn't just redraft.

Dynasty league's aren't handing out championships this season???

They are, and next year as well I'd wager.

There are a finite number of benches in every league. If Robinson's ROS upside is your 3rd or 4th best RB option, and the cost to obtain him involves dropping someone like Latimer or Moncrief, then Robinson's prospects beyond the immediate now are definitely a major consideration.

You know, when I wake up in the morning I say "I'm not worried about what happens today, I'm just gonna worry about what happens 10 months from now." I say to my lady "Honey, I am not worried about paying the bills this month, lets save that money for 10 months from now. I know we have bills now, but we will have bills next year too." When I was in college, I always worried more about next semesters classes then the current semester, so I understand the reason and why its so important to worry about things in the future over the now.

Same exact thing about worrying about a fantasy team next year. I know some are in dynasty leagues, I am in a few, but I at no point worry about next dynasty season. Not ever or not until I am eliminated and If you are already eliminated, I would safely say it is because you are always worrying about next year and not caring about this year.

The point is that you need to balance the two concerns in a dynasty league, not to focus on either one completely at the expense of the other. An ideally constructed dynasty team will be a legitimate contender now without significantly neglecting the future. They are not mutually exclusive concepts.

In a redraft league, you almost certainly pick up Robinson if you have the room because he's low cost (likely WW) and you have little to lose by dropping the last guy off your bench for him. If he flops, it doesn't matter because you draft a whole new team next year.

In dynasty, there are consequences for making that move (assuming you actually have some high upside stashes at the end of your bench, as most well-run dynasty teams do). Would you drop Michael or Bryce Brown to pick up Denard Robinson? Latimer? Marqise Lee? It becomes much tougher to decide where to draw that line.

All of them could easily be justified with a "win now" mindset, but I think those would all be bad plays in almost any deep format dynasty league. The only reason you would consider it would be if you thought he was a good bet to retain the job moving forward while performing well in the process. If you think he'll be in a RBBC with Gerhart, or that he ultimately will settle in as a COP back, or that JAX will draft another back in 2015, then it becomes a pretty bad dynasty play to drop anything of value for him. If you need to bolster your team's chances for winning this year, you're better off using your current assets to make a trade for a better player.

I get that in Dynasty you must keep an eye on the future with speculative players and stashing them, but wasn't Robinson a speculative add for some leagues last year? Now that he is starting isn't that a sign that the stash has paid off?

At least adding him now you have an opportunity to actually see him play football and make up your mind rather than hyping the next great college kid or deactivated RB that would take a flukey two RB injury in one game to see pan out.

But if you're hanging your Dynasty future on Bryce Brown, who after 3 years in the league has to climb over Dixon to even dress good luck.

Coaches don't "save" or reserve talent. They may not utilize talent well, but if they think a player can help them win today, they will play him.

 

[EastonBlues22]

I get that in Dynasty you must keep an eye on the future with speculative players and stashing them, but wasn't Robinson a speculative add for some leagues last year? Now that he is starting isn't that a sign that the stash has paid off?

At least adding him now you have an opportunity to actually see him play football and make up your mind rather than hyping the next great college kid or deactivated RB that would take a flukey two RB injury in one game to see pan out.

But if you're hanging your Dynasty future on Bryce Brown, who after 3 years in the league has to climb over Dixon to even dress good luck.

Coaches don't "save" or reserve talent. They may not utilize talent well, but if they think a player can help them win today, they will play him.

When he came out, I seem to recall him being a 3rd/4th round flyer in most rookie drafts, with some hype building as the OC mentioned getting him a bunch of touches his rookie year. He struggled badly in limited touches (and in the passing game) and the volume never materialized. His team then went out and signed Gerhart to a 4 year deal and drafted Storm Johnson. He hit the wire on a lot of leagues after that.

If he's already on your team, as he is on one of mine, then there's obviously no reason to let him go at this point...but that's not what we were talking about. If he's not on your team, then chances are you have to drop someone you liked better than him a week ago to pick him up. That's a different ballgame in dynasty, so there should probably be something more to motivate the move beyond "Well, he's getting a shot now and this other guy isn't." Hence, the discussion here in this thread.

As an aside, I don't think anyone is "hanging their future" on a guy like Bryce Brown, but I would take him as a stash over Robinson even knowing what we know right now if given the choice between the two. I think he's the better overall talent, that he has less competition to showcase what he can do for the rest of the year, and that he has a better potential opportunity in 2015 should things go well. (Feel free to disagree if you wish, but I'm going to let it go at that as I don't want to derail the thread.)

 

[MAC_32]

Could the OP please change the thread title to remove any mention of Chris Johnson.

Also please add "Shoelace" in there somewhere.

I'd like to add the Shoelaces part, but the Chris Johnson comment stays. Shoelaces ran just like Johnson in his prime last week. Here's hoping it wasn't a one week fluke.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Could the OP please change the thread title to remove any mention of Chris Johnson.

Also please add "Shoelace" in there somewhere.

I'd like to add the Shoelaces part, but the Chris Johnson comment stays. Shoelaces ran just like Johnson in his prime last week. Here's hoping it wasn't a one week fluke.

well it was against the browns.

 

[Jerry Curl]

Could the OP please change the thread title to remove any mention of Chris Johnson.

Also please add "Shoelace" in there somewhere.

I'd like to add the Shoelaces part, but the Chris Johnson comment stays. Shoelaces ran just like Johnson in his prime last week. Here's hoping it wasn't a one week fluke.

well it was against the browns.

Last I checked they are an NFL team who were over .500 at the time.

 

[tdhartis]

Last I checked they are an NFL team who were over .500 at the time.

Last I checked they were still downright awful against the run and their overall record is irrelevant to the issue at hand.

 

[SameSongNDance]

I actually do think it was more of a fluke than not. JAC hasn't been able to get push against anyone this year aside from PIT in spurts and CLE all game. If I was confident Robinson would see ~20 touches a game like he did last week again moving forward I'd feel more comfortable about his prospects but JAC will continue to lose, continue to never see the RZ all the while mixing in Gerhart when he gets back and Todman on 3rd downs.

 

[socrates]

I actually do think it was more of a fluke than not. JAC hasn't been able to get push against anyone this year aside from PIT in spurts and CLE all game. If I was confident Robinson would see ~20 touches a game like he did last week again moving forward I'd feel more comfortable about his prospects but JAC will continue to lose, continue to never see the RZ all the while mixing in Gerhart when he gets back and Todman on 3rd downs.

I gave up on Robinson two weeks early in my dynasty league. I may regret it. At the time, it looked like a RBBC situation on a poor offense, and there were better options on the waiver wire, or so it appeared.

Despite his success last week, I am not lamenting moving on. While I believe in Robinson's raw talent, I am still doubtful the Jaguars will find continued success in their running game, nor am I convinced the Jags will make a long-term commitment to Robinson as their lead back. That said, if it costs a minimal investment to acquire Robinson, I would endorse picking him up until we see how this plays out.

 

[SameSongNDance]

I actually do think it was more of a fluke than not. JAC hasn't been able to get push against anyone this year aside from PIT in spurts and CLE all game. If I was confident Robinson would see ~20 touches a game like he did last week again moving forward I'd feel more comfortable about his prospects but JAC will continue to lose, continue to never see the RZ all the while mixing in Gerhart when he gets back and Todman on 3rd downs.

I gave up on Robinson two weeks early in my dynasty league. I may regret it. At the time, it looked like a RBBC situation on a poor offense, and there were better options on the waiver wire, or so it appeared.

Despite his success last week, I am not lamenting moving on. While I believe in Robinson's raw talent, I am still doubtful the Jaguars will find continued success in their running game, nor am I convinced the Jags will make a long-term commitment to Robinson as their lead back. That said, if it costs a minimal investment to acquire Robinson, I would endorse picking him up until we see how this plays out.

Yeah I don't mind picking him up at relatively no cost but I've seen people blow 30%+ of their FAAB on him which I felt was just too steep.

 

[I Am the Stig]

I actually do think it was more of a fluke than not. JAC hasn't been able to get push against anyone this year aside from PIT in spurts and CLE all game. If I was confident Robinson would see ~20 touches a game like he did last week again moving forward I'd feel more comfortable about his prospects but JAC will continue to lose, continue to never see the RZ all the while mixing in Gerhart when he gets back and Todman on 3rd downs.

In reviewing the Offensive line metrics comparing JAC to other quality teams, it seems that as a unit, they are not that far off from other teams that run the ball effectively. Some of the metrics that are held against them could be attributed the RB as well. For instance, they are ranked 26th in "Second Level yards".

"Second Level Yards: Yards which this team's running backs earn between 5-10 yards past the line of scrimmage, divided by total running back carries."

This would confirm elements of the plodding nature of the RB himself. This would be further confirmed by JAC's 31st ranked in "Open Field" yards.

"Open Field Yards: Yards which this team's running backs earn more than 10 yards past the line of scrimmage, divided by total running back carries."

A great line can open a hole that anyone can run through but sometimes the RB or QB can make a mediocre line look good by simply being decisive and executing.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

In short, while JAC's line is poor, Gerhart doesn't give them a chance. The question is, can Robinson slip through the brief holes more decisively and then, once there, earn some more yards after the line by himself?

 

[Holy Schneikes]

I actually do think it was more of a fluke than not. JAC hasn't been able to get push against anyone this year aside from PIT in spurts and CLE all game. If I was confident Robinson would see ~20 touches a game like he did last week again moving forward I'd feel more comfortable about his prospects but JAC will continue to lose, continue to never see the RZ all the while mixing in Gerhart when he gets back and Todman on 3rd downs.

I gave up on Robinson two weeks early in my dynasty league. I may regret it. At the time, it looked like a RBBC situation on a poor offense, and there were better options on the waiver wire, or so it appeared.

Despite his success last week, I am not lamenting moving on. While I believe in Robinson's raw talent, I am still doubtful the Jaguars will find continued success in their running game, nor am I convinced the Jags will make a long-term commitment to Robinson as their lead back. That said, if it costs a minimal investment to acquire Robinson, I would endorse picking him up until we see how this plays out.

Yeah I don't mind picking him up at relatively no cost but I've seen people blow 30%+ of their FAAB on him which I felt was just too steep.

Not for me. At this point, all the guys who are likely to emerge have emerged already. This guy has tremendous athleticism, and if he gets the lion's share of carries going forward, I like his chances of doing something with them, even on a bad team. Passing on a guy like this because he might bust (and he very well might) doesn't really take into account the fact that top 10 type RBs bust at an alarmingly high rate anyway. Windows are too short for backs. Get them when you can get them, and take some risks.

 

[wilked]

Dropped Fred Jackson for him based on the discussion. This guy has so much more upside

 

[MAC_32]

Could the OP please change the thread title to remove any mention of Chris Johnson.

Also please add "Shoelace" in there somewhere.

I'd like to add the Shoelaces part, but the Chris Johnson comment stays. Shoelaces ran just like Johnson in his prime last week. Here's hoping it wasn't a one week fluke.

well it was against the browns.

Then why didn't Storm Johnson run well?

 

[SameSongNDance]

I actually do think it was more of a fluke than not. JAC hasn't been able to get push against anyone this year aside from PIT in spurts and CLE all game. If I was confident Robinson would see ~20 touches a game like he did last week again moving forward I'd feel more comfortable about his prospects but JAC will continue to lose, continue to never see the RZ all the while mixing in Gerhart when he gets back and Todman on 3rd downs.

In reviewing the Offensive line metrics comparing JAC to other quality teams, it seems that as a unit, they are not that far off from other teams that run the ball effectively. Some of the metrics that are held against them could be attributed the RB as well. For instance, they are ranked 26th in "Second Level yards".

"Second Level Yards: Yards which this team's running backs earn between 5-10 yards past the line of scrimmage, divided by total running back carries."

This would confirm elements of the plodding nature of the RB himself. This would be further confirmed by JAC's 31st ranked in "Open Field" yards.

"Open Field Yards: Yards which this team's running backs earn more than 10 yards past the line of scrimmage, divided by total running back carries."

A great line can open a hole that anyone can run through but sometimes the RB or QB can make a mediocre line look good by simply being decisive and executing.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

In short, while JAC's line is poor, Gerhart doesn't give them a chance. The question is, can Robinson slip through the brief holes more decisively and then, once there, earn some more yards after the line by himself?

I'm familiar with footballoutsider's OL grades and I agree a chicken/egg dynamic emerges with RBs vs. OLs when trying to grade them out but there's more to be worried about than a statistically below average OL. Plus, I've watched a good amount of tape on Gerhart/Robinson/Storm this year as I've owned all at some point and truly felt like the OL was failing them often.

I'm not questioning Robinson's talent right now, just the JAC team as a whole. This is a team that's bottom 5 in rushing attempts per game, rushing a mere 35% of the time, last in the league in scoring (subsequently bottom 3 in RZ attempts per game) and etc. etc. They get behind early and often and just let Bortles air it out. Robinson has never had more than 9 carries in a game before last week; it's not a coincidence that he had his best game, a 20+ carry affair in a game they actually won. The question is, how many more games will play out like the CLE game did last week? This week they face MIA at home with MIA favored by a score. Gerhart is due back and Todman isn't going anywhere (snap count broke down like Robinson 62% Todman 27% Storm 14%). I don't see Robinson exceeding 15 touches let a lone 15 carries if the game plays our like Vegas believes plus MIA has only allowed a single rusher to exceed 14 carries this year anyway (Knile Davis). Ultimately, the question isn't whether or not Robinson is good, it's whether or not JAC is still awful. JAC is still awful.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Could the OP please change the thread title to remove any mention of Chris Johnson.

Also please add "Shoelace" in there somewhere.

I'd like to add the Shoelaces part, but the Chris Johnson comment stays. Shoelaces ran just like Johnson in his prime last week. Here's hoping it wasn't a one week fluke.

well it was against the browns.

Then why didn't Storm Johnson run well?

LOl, I was more poking fun at you because well you are a browns fan

I like Deannrd he is super raw, but he has big time jets.

He can be mckinnon-esque

Still his situation could be better.

 

[I Am the Stig]

I actually do think it was more of a fluke than not. JAC hasn't been able to get push against anyone this year aside from PIT in spurts and CLE all game. If I was confident Robinson would see ~20 touches a game like he did last week again moving forward I'd feel more comfortable about his prospects but JAC will continue to lose, continue to never see the RZ all the while mixing in Gerhart when he gets back and Todman on 3rd downs.

In reviewing the Offensive line metrics comparing JAC to other quality teams, it seems that as a unit, they are not that far off from other teams that run the ball effectively. Some of the metrics that are held against them could be attributed the RB as well. For instance, they are ranked 26th in "Second Level yards".

"Second Level Yards: Yards which this team's running backs earn between 5-10 yards past the line of scrimmage, divided by total running back carries."

This would confirm elements of the plodding nature of the RB himself. This would be further confirmed by JAC's 31st ranked in "Open Field" yards.

"Open Field Yards: Yards which this team's running backs earn more than 10 yards past the line of scrimmage, divided by total running back carries."

A great line can open a hole that anyone can run through but sometimes the RB or QB can make a mediocre line look good by simply being decisive and executing.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

In short, while JAC's line is poor, Gerhart doesn't give them a chance. The question is, can Robinson slip through the brief holes more decisively and then, once there, earn some more yards after the line by himself?

I'm familiar with footballoutsider's OL grades and I agree a chicken/egg dynamic emerges with RBs vs. OLs when trying to grade them out but there's more to be worried about than a statistically below average OL. Plus, I've watched a good amount of tape on Gerhart/Robinson/Storm this year as I've owned all at some point and truly felt like the OL was failing them often.

I'm not questioning Robinson's talent right now, just the JAC team as a whole. This is a team that's bottom 5 in rushing attempts per game, rushing a mere 35% of the time, last in the league in scoring (subsequently bottom 3 in RZ attempts per game) and etc. etc. They get behind early and often and just let Bortles air it out. Robinson has never had more than 9 carries in a game before last week; it's not a coincidence that he had his best game, a 20+ carry affair in a game they actually won. The question is, how many more games will play out like the CLE game did last week? This week they face MIA at home with MIA favored by a score. Gerhart is due back and Todman isn't going anywhere (snap count broke down like Robinson 62% Todman 27% Storm 14%). I don't see Robinson exceeding 15 touches let a lone 15 carries if the game plays our like Vegas believes plus MIA has only allowed a single rusher to exceed 14 carries this year anyway (Knile Davis). Ultimately, the question isn't whether or not Robinson is good, it's whether or not JAC is still awful. JAC is still awful.

I agree, but we are in Bye Season right now and at this time of year the only metrics that matter are: Availability + Talent + Opportunity/Situation = Pick Up or Leave on the Wire.

 

[Ilov80s]

Guys, it's "Shoelace". No s.

 

[MAC_32]

Could the OP please change the thread title to remove any mention of Chris Johnson.

Also please add "Shoelace" in there somewhere.

I'd like to add the Shoelaces part, but the Chris Johnson comment stays. Shoelaces ran just like Johnson in his prime last week. Here's hoping it wasn't a one week fluke.

well it was against the browns.

Then why didn't Storm Johnson run well?

LOl, I was more poking fun at you because well you are a browns fanI like Deannrd he is super raw, but he has big time jets.

He can be mckinnon-esque

Still his situation could be better.

im also a michigan fan and unfortunately Denard is all I have right now

 

[I Am the Stig]

Speaking Thursday, Jaguars coach Gus Bradley confirmed Denard Robinson will remain the starting running back for Week 8 even with Toby Gerhart (foot) returning.

Advice: Bradley said Gerhart will get "some reps," but Gerhart was being phased out of his starting job even before he started missing games. He'll fight for scraps with Jordan Todman and Storm Johnson behind Shoelace. Robinson is the only Jaguars' runner worth starting for Week 8, though he has a difficult matchup in the Dolphins' solid run defense.

More: Mark Long on Twitter

(Rotoworld.com)

 

[Banger]

I've been thinking about him and the situation and I'm getting more interested in it. I was thinking of this as a short term with a low % of hitting and I'm viewing it that if things work out this year he could earn another year next year as they address other issues. I have him in a redraft and a keeper league and he may have some upside.

 

[shadyridr]

Not many everydown Rbs around. I dont see anything wrong with 30% of a budget. I got him for $15 in one league and was ecstatic. He went for $101 in my other. Thats nut IMO

 

[Banger]

Not many everydown Rbs around. I dont see anything wrong with 30% of a budget. I got him for $15 in one league and was ecstatic. He went for $101 in my other. Thats nut IMO

Dollar amounts don't mean a lot. What are those in % of cap ?

 

[shadyridr]

Not many everydown Rbs around. I dont see anything wrong with 30% of a budget. I got him for $15 in one league and was ecstatic. He went for $101 in my other. Thats nut IMO

Dollar amounts don't mean a lot. What are those in % of cap ?

sorry $15 out of $100 and $101 out of $200

 

[Banger]

Not many everydown Rbs around. I dont see anything wrong with 30% of a budget. I got him for $15 in one league and was ecstatic. He went for $101 in my other. Thats nut IMO

Dollar amounts don't mean a lot. What are those in % of cap ?

sorry $15 out of $100 and $101 out of $200

That's a steal but I don't think 50%,is nuts either. I think he's got a good shot to be good. Much rather him than Bryce brown.

 

[shadyridr]

Not many everydown Rbs around. I dont see anything wrong with 30% of a budget. I got him for $15 in one league and was ecstatic. He went for $101 in my other. Thats nut IMO

Dollar amounts don't mean a lot. What are those in % of cap ?

sorry $15 out of $100 and $101 out of $200

That's a steal but I don't think 50%,is nuts either. I think he's got a good shot to be good. Much rather him than Bryce brown.

yeah 50% isnt that much different than 30% i suppose

 

[Banger]

Not many everydown Rbs around. I dont see anything wrong with 30% of a budget. I got him for $15 in one league and was ecstatic. He went for $101 in my other. Thats nut IMO

Dollar amounts don't mean a lot. What are those in % of cap ?

sorry $15 out of $100 and $101 out of $200

That's a steal but I don't think 50%,is nuts either. I think he's got a good shot to be good. Much rather him than Bryce brown.

yeah 50% isnt that much different than 30% i suppose

Well it's 50 vs 15 which is big but I just view as Mason as one of the best pickups at this stage of the year so the goal is to get that guy.

 

[bumpman]

Jax might not have invested a high draft pick on Denard, but they sure as heck seem like they have invested a ton of time and effort developing him into a RB. I'm not sure most players drafted in the late rounds would have survived a first year of fumbles and low production. The team showed remarkable patience to wait for Denard to recover from his nerve damage in his hand and learn the RB trade. I've got a feeling that the team is more invested in him than most people think.

 

[Banger]

Jax might not have invested a high draft pick on Denard, but they sure as heck seem like they have invested a ton of time and effort developing him into a RB. I'm not sure most players drafted in the late rounds would have survived a first year of fumbles and low production. The team showed remarkable patience to wait for Denard to recover from his nerve damage in his hand and learn the RB trade. I've got a feeling that the team is more invested in him than most people think.

That's how I feel as well. They are enamored with his talent and want to get him on the field.

 

[Bri]

Not many everydown Rbs around. I dont see anything wrong with 30% of a budget. I got him for $15 in one league and was ecstatic. He went for $101 in my other. Thats nut IMO

Dollar amounts don't mean a lot. What are those in % of cap ?

sorry $15 out of $100 and $101 out of $200

In my leagues-It's getting near playoff time. Might as well spend this money and get who ya want rather than be frugal and end the year with a large amount of $ left unspent. In each of my leagues, the WW is so very thin making him look like gold. I took a moment to scan for backup RBs in one league and maybe handcuff before the playoffs. At quick glance, I think every starting RB and immediate backup is rostered. I threw extra $ in the bid at this point otherwise I'm basically hoping for a 3rd stringer to become a starter and be available on the WW.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

If they give him 15 carries a game, the Jags need to seriously consider letting Robinson throw it at least once per game.

 

[Jerry Curl]

If they give him 15 carries a game, the Jags need to seriously consider letting Robinson throw it at least once per game.

I have a funny feeling it may be something you see.

 

[Ilov80s]

Jax might not have invested a high draft pick on Denard, but they sure as heck seem like they have invested a ton of time and effort developing him into a RB. I'm not sure most players drafted in the late rounds would have survived a first year of fumbles and low production. The team showed remarkable patience to wait for Denard to recover from his nerve damage in his hand and learn the RB trade. I've got a feeling that the team is more invested in him than most people think.

That's how I feel as well. They are enamored with his talent and want to get him on the field.

Rightfully so, he was the most electrifying player in college football for much of his career. He just wasn't a good QB.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Denard Robinson - RB - Jaguars

A source tells ESPN Jags reporter Mike DiRocco that the coaches "still aren't sure if [Denard] Robinson is capable of handling a heavy workload each week."

Robinson ripped apart the Browns' atrocious run defense last week for 22-127-1 and has earned another start. Don't expect 20-carry games to become the norm. The 197-pound "Shoelace" typically won't have gameflow on his side and also Toby Gerhart (foot) is coming back this week to pair with third-down back Jordan Todman. Furthermore, the Jags bottom-five offensive line is going to have its hands more than full with a very strong Dolphins front this week.

Related: Toby Gerhart

Source: ESPN.com

Oct 25 - 12:14 AM

 

[Jerry Curl]

Is he a starter, is he not? Can he carry a load, can he not? Seems the coaching staff are the ones going back and forth. Maybe thats why the Jaguars are not a good team, their coaches are not smart and they think their best players are not their best players. Hey lets continue to throw it to Shorts and run Gerhart.

 

[jurb26]

Is he a starter, is he not? Can he carry a load, can he not? Seems the coaching staff are the ones going back and forth. Maybe thats why the Jaguars are not a good team, their coaches are not smart and they think their best players are not their best players. Hey lets continue to throw it to Shorts and run Gerhart.

Yeah, I don't get it. He looked better than any back they've had all season last week. Give the guy a shoot and see what he has.

 

[Jerry Curl]

Is he a starter, is he not? Can he carry a load, can he not? Seems the coaching staff are the ones going back and forth. Maybe thats why the Jaguars are not a good team, their coaches are not smart and they think their best players are not their best players. Hey lets continue to throw it to Shorts and run Gerhart.

Yeah, I don't get it. He looked better than any back they've had all season last week. Give the guy a shoot and see what he has.

Nothing gets to me more that a team not using its best players. It makes no sense, you are trying to win a game, do you think avoiding your best players help that? Its like when the Browns ran twice in a row on 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1 with West when they have Tate and Crowell and of course they didnt get the first. What are you doing coaches? You rode Denard and got a win against a decent 3-2 team. You didnt run him before that and didnt get a win? Is it so hard for coaches to do math?

 

[bumpman]

Just because they aren't sure he can carry the load doesn't mean they won't test it. Also, how did Robinson shrink from 212 lbs down to 197? I know rotoworld comments are worthless, but they should at least check their facts.

 

[menobrown]

Just because they aren't sure he can carry the load doesn't mean they won't test it. Also, how did Robinson shrink from 212 lbs down to 197? I know rotoworld comments are worthless, but they should at least check their facts.

Read that last night and just was just shaking my head at roto not updathing their info on his weight gain.

He's got plenty of size.

Until proven otherwise no team is sure any RB can carry the loan consistently on a week to week basis, no matter what their size.

I believe in preseason week one he was the 4th RB in the game which I took to as him running as the 4th stringer. He worked his way up the depth chart, nothing was given to him. Not a case of coaches trying to force the situation to see what they had. He's been the best looking RB on the team and gave them their first break through running game of the season.

He may not be a consistent 20+ carry guy every weekly but he's about to be given even opportunity to be a 15+ carry weekly back who is also a good receiver. If he's productive the rest will take care of itself.

 

[Otis]

I remember when everyone was certain Charles couldn't "carry the load." People have such awful memories.

 

[voiceofunreason]

Who cares about long term, a season is happening now and he has relevance at this moment.

Dynasty players care about long term. I'm sure everyone reading this isn't just redraft.

Dynasty league's aren't handing out championships this season???

They are, and next year as well I'd wager.

There are a finite number of benches in every league. If Robinson's ROS upside is your 3rd or 4th best RB option, and the cost to obtain him involves dropping someone like Latimer or Moncrief, then Robinson's prospects beyond the immediate now are definitely a major consideration.

You know, when I wake up in the morning I say "I'm not worried about what happens today, I'm just gonna worry about what happens 10 months from now." I say to my lady "Honey, I am not worried about paying the bills this month, lets save that money for 10 months from now. I know we have bills now, but we will have bills next year too." When I was in college, I always worried more about next semesters classes then the current semester, so I understand the reason and why its so important to worry about things in the future over the now.

Same exact thing about worrying about a fantasy team next year. I know some are in dynasty leagues, I am in a few, but I at no point worry about next dynasty season. Not ever or not until I am eliminated and If you are already eliminated, I would safely say it is because you are always worrying about next year and not caring about this year.

The point is that you need to balance the two concerns in a dynasty league, not to focus on either one completely at the expense of the other. An ideally constructed dynasty team will be a legitimate contender now without significantly neglecting the future. They are not mutually exclusive concepts.

In a redraft league, you almost certainly pick up Robinson if you have the room because he's low cost (likely WW) and you have little to lose by dropping the last guy off your bench for him. If he flops, it doesn't matter because you draft a whole new team next year.

In dynasty, there are consequences for making that move (assuming you actually have some high upside stashes at the end of your bench, as most well-run dynasty teams do). Would you drop Michael or Bryce Brown to pick up Denard Robinson? Latimer? Marqise Lee? It becomes much tougher to decide where to draw that line.

All of them could easily be justified with a "win now" mindset, but I think those would all be bad plays in almost any deep format dynasty league. The only reason you would consider it would be if you thought he was a good bet to retain the job moving forward while performing well in the process. If you think he'll be in a RBBC with Gerhart, or that he ultimately will settle in as a COP back, or that JAX will draft another back in 2015, then it becomes a pretty bad dynasty play to drop anything of value for him. If you need to bolster your team's chances for winning this year, you're better off using your current assets to make a trade for a better player.

What kind of Mickey Mouse dynasty league has someone dropping Latimer? All the leagues I'm in have benches.