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Dennis Green = Draft Day Genius :yes: (1 Viewer)

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So he messed up on JJ Sara-ington last year...he hit a homerun today.

Pope and Leinart were sweet value and filled huge holes at the same time.

Much manlove for Green. :gang2:

 
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Dennis Green = Offensive Draft Day Genius. All you have to do is look back at his drafts with the Vikings. Great at picking offensive players, but couldn't find and develop a defensive player to save his life.

 
Dennis Green = Offensive Draft Day Genius. All you have to do is look back at his drafts with the Vikings. Great at picking offensive players, but couldn't find and develop a defensive player to save his life.
Maybe so, but Rolle seems like a good pick in hindsight. If I'm not mistaken, Karlos Dansby has also turned out pretty well for them.
 
Dennis Green = Offensive Draft Day Genius.  All you have to do is look back at his drafts with the Vikings.  Great at picking offensive players, but couldn't find and develop a defensive player to save his life.
Maybe so, but Rolle seems like a good pick in hindsight. If I'm not mistaken, Karlos Dansby has also turned out pretty well for them.
:goodposting: So far his track record has been way above average draft wise...Fitzgerald and Dansby specifically have been huge.

 
Maybe he's just a lucky *******... but landing Edge in FA and then having Matt and Pope fall in your lap.... what an O they will have in the next few years....

 
LEINART ....in a new stadium......to Fitzgerald, Boldin, Pope and Edge James......in due time. This is nice to see. Congrats Cards fans! Your time has about come.

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LEINART ....in a new stadium......to Fitzgerald, Boldin, Pope and Edge James......in due time. This is nice to see. Congrats Cards fans! Your time has about come.

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If the Cards can't wrangle a few NFC West Division titles and some playoff success out of this, it means the Football Gods have cursed them for all time (or at least until Bidwells are out of the picture).
 
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Latui is a huge interior lineman who should do very well. Arizona had an incredible offensive draft, and offseason in general. Pope was an absolute steal where they got him.

 
LEINART ....in a new stadium......to Fitzgerald, Boldin, Pope and Edge James......in due time.  This is nice to see.  Congrats Cards fans!  Your time has about come. 

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If the Cards can't wrangle a few NFC West Division titles and some playoff success out of this, it means the Football Gods have cursed them for all time (or at least until Bidwells are out of the picture).
Rams have been a high scoring O for a long while and are never easy to beat. The Hawks were excellent last year and look like they're having a nice draft. Division title might be hard but they should be a regular in the playoffs
 
Let's not write off Arrington just yet either. I think this kid still has some potential especially with Edge there to show the kid what works and what doesn't work.

Denny Green is a draft guru. He is putting together arguably the best offense in football.

 
So he messed up on JJ Sara-ington last year...he hit a homerun today.

Pope and Leinart were sweet value and filled huge holes at the same time.

Much manlove for Green. :gang2:
plus the 4th round G last year.That rookie C seemed to calm down and be OK after a rough start

 
The more I read/learn about this Watson kid the more I like him:

From ESPN.

Strengths: He is a massive two-gap NT/DT prospect that can be absolutely dominant in spurts. Plays with good leverage when fresh and has proven capable of gobbling up two blockers in those instances. He clogs gaps and seals off the inside run, forcing RB's to bounce a lot of runs to the outside. He protects his LB's well and allows them to roam. He shows the lower body strength and overall mass to overpower offensive linemen at the POA. He will show some surprising quickness when he is fresh. Also, while he doesn't have great speed or athleticism as a pass rusher, he does collapse the pocket when fresh. He is a one-dimensional pass rusher but he shows the initial burst, power and size and drive the OC back into his QB. He has been extremely durable and he is a high-character person with no off-the-field baggage.

Weaknesses: Production is entirely too inconsistent. Lacks conditioning and stamina. Has a tendency to wear down quickly. When that's the case, he comes out of his stance too high, loses his leverage and becomes much less effective. His weight will need to be consistently monitored in the NFL and he will need coaches to stay on him regarding his conditioning. He seems to lack ideal natural instincts at times. Not a great pass rusher. Does not show the burst through the LOS or the closing speed to make a huge impact in that facet at the NFL level. May never be more than a two-down player.

Overall: Watson appeared in eight games as a reserve DT during his true freshman season in 2002 and he appeared in all 13 games as a backup DT during his sophomore season in 2003. As a junior in 2004, Watson took over as a fulltime starter at NT in the team's new 3-4 alignment and he finished with 37 total tackles, seven TFL and two sacks. He was named All-Big Ten first team by the coaches and All-Big Ten second team by the media in 2004. Watson played in all 12 games and started eight as a senior in 2005 and finished with 40 tackles, 6.5 TFL and two sacks. Watson is a massive DT/NT prospect with an outstanding combination of size, strength, quickness and athletic ability. He is a durable player and a high-character person. However, his inconsistent production and lack of stamina became maddening for Michigan coaches and led to Watson's benching for four games during his senior season. Watson seems to give a good effort when fresh and he can be absolutely dominant during those spurts. However, he tires easily and winds up taking entirely too many plays off throughout the course of a game. Because of the increased demand for a 3-4 nose tackle in the NFL combined with the insufficient supply that typically comes out of the college draft, a team could reach for Watson as early as the first round.
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Dennis Green = Offensive Draft Day Genius. All you have to do is look back at his drafts with the Vikings. Great at picking offensive players, but couldn't find and develop a defensive player to save his life.
Maybe so, but Rolle seems like a good pick in hindsight. If I'm not mistaken, Karlos Dansby has also turned out pretty well for them.
Don't forget Darnell Dockett too.
 
Let's not write off Arrington just yet either. I think this kid still has some potential especially with Edge there to show the kid what works and what doesn't work.

Denny Green is a draft guru. He is putting together arguably the best offense in football.
Meggett was adored by NY Giant fans. Pats fans really appreciate Kevin Faulk. If Arrington lost his desire to be an everydown back and played the 3rd down role real well like them, then he could make a difference in this league. I just don't see it as an everydown back. With all the huge egos of the NFL, it's not often a guy accepts this limitted role and thrives at it. As for your last sentence, I've been saying that for a couple years now if not longer. His Minny O were excellent and he's doing it again.

 
Dennis Green = Offensive Draft Day Genius.  All you have to do is look back at his drafts with the Vikings.  Great at picking offensive players, but couldn't find and develop a defensive player to save his life.
Maybe so, but Rolle seems like a good pick in hindsight. If I'm not mistaken, Karlos Dansby has also turned out pretty well for them.
Don't forget Darnell Dockett too.
yep...dockett is a stud.
 
So he messed up on JJ Sara-ington last year...he hit a homerun today.

Pope and Leinart were sweet value and filled huge holes at the same time.

Much manlove for Green. :gang2:
What conference did Pope play in?
 
Watson was a great value pick. First round talent...third round heart...fourth round pick. Many had him projected to go in the 2nd.

 
Anyone have season tix for the new stadium yet?

I don't go to a lot of games, but that is much closer and would be interested in a few games.

 
I wouldn't really call getting super lucky and Leinart free falling to him "genius".

Pope in the 3rd was pretty good though.

 
Let's not write off Arrington just yet either. I think this kid still has some potential especially with Edge there to show the kid what works and what doesn't work.

Denny Green is a draft guru. He is putting together arguably the best offense in football.
I think he learned that from Shipp last year.
 
Denny Green is really outstanding in the NFL draft as far as establishing his draft board in advance and having no qualms about jumping on a guy who drops (Culpepper, Moss...).

In addition, when he takes a guy who 'dropped', it is likely he'll buy into Denny Green's underdog\'us against the world' mentality.

I have no doubt Lienart will be starting by week 8 and he will flourish under Denny Green.

 
Bookmarking this thread. A draft day genius should be able to finish above .500 and make the playoffs after 3 drafts, no? Arizona needs to add 4 wins to their '05 record.

I'll check back in January.

 
Bookmarking this thread. A draft day genius should be able to finish above .500 and make the playoffs after 3 drafts, no? Arizona needs to add 4 wins to their '05 record.

I'll check back in January.
Arizona is almost a lock for the playoffs this year.
 
Bookmarking this thread.  A draft day genius should be able to finish above .500 and make the playoffs after 3 drafts, no?  Arizona needs to add 4 wins to their '05 record.

I'll check back in January.
Arizona is almost a lock for the playoffs this year.
Please tell me you did NOT just jinx us like that. :eek:
 
Bookmarking this thread. A draft day genius should be able to finish above .500 and make the playoffs after 3 drafts, no?
You would think so, yes. Dan Snyder used to (appear to his team's fans to) do pretty well with offseason signings for the Redskins when he was making personnel decisions. But they never made the playoffs during those years and nobody accused him of being a genius. I'm not sure why it should be any different for Denny Green.
 
Bookmarking this thread. A draft day genius should be able to finish above .500 and make the playoffs after 3 drafts, no? Arizona needs to add 4 wins to their '05 record.

I'll check back in January.
Arizona is almost a lock for the playoffs this year.
Please tell me you did NOT just jinx us like that. :eek:
Denny Green is an outstanding personnel guy and can really make an offense hum. I probably made a bit of an exageration with claiming they are a lock because anything can happen in the NFL. But the Cardinals will be a division contender this year.
 
Denny Green is an overrated drafter. In Minnesota he could usually get some good offensive players like Moss and Culpeper but every time his defensive picks would bust Underwood, Hovan, 20 some odd LBs. He also had a fasination with selecting Standard players who always sucked

That being said this draft looks great for them :thumbup:

 
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Denny Green is an overrated drafter. In Minnesota he could usually get some good offensive players like Moss and Culpeper but every time his defensive picks would bust Underwood, Hovan, 20 some odd LBs. He also had a fasination with selecting Standard players who always sucked

That being said this draft looks great for them :thumbup:
I like Hovan
 
They've really upgraded their defensive tackle rotation this offseason, between these two hosses in the draft and they got that free agent from the Giants as well.

 
You think about the Cards on paper on offense and you salivate. Leinart, Edge, Fitzgerald, Boldin. And Pope is a very nice addition; especially considering the value pick that he was, 3rd Rounder.

However, there is a story of one that got away. I think Deuce Lutui most people like. He's a massive guy and you can't argue with his pedigree, blocking for TWO :eek: Heismann Trophy winners on a national championship team. The Cards got him in the second round and you think he should be there for 5-7 years. But, it's that he was the Cards pick in the second round out of USC that I have a tarnished view of an outstanding draft where the Cards got immensely better. I posted my Tom Petty thread on Saturday. There was someone else coming from USC's offensive line coming to the Cards, right their way. He was so close I could taste it. Getting this guy in the second round, are you kidding me. This is too good to be true. It can't be. The Lord has shown his face down on the Arizona Cardinals. And then a trade only a spot or two in front of the Cardinals. The bigger bird swept down and claimed its prey, "With their second round pick, the Philadelphia Eagles select Winston Justice, Tackle, from the University of Southern California."

I don't even pull for the Cardinals, but I was pulling for them to get Justice. Yeah, he's had a couple character issues but the talent and upside is their. And you know what? He happens to have experience protecting the blindside of a left-handed Quarterback playing Tackle from the right side.

I know it's always Green's strategy to not trade up or down and let the draft come to him but a funny thing happened on the way to the Forum. They missed out on a stud. A Tackle stud. A guy said to have a chance of blowing away D'Brickashaw Ferguson in terms of an overall career.

Man o' man. That would have made the Cards draft too perfect. :no: :shock: way too perfect. Is anyone with me on this? If you're a Cards fan do you wish Green had deviated from the plan just a bit and watched his back when he knew Philly was there behind him? They are going to be playing the other "Birds" in the playoffs and I think Philly stole one there in a major coup' (sp?). Amazing. Between Broderick Bunkley in the 1st and Justice in the Second the Eagles Greatly improved both their lines.

I think right now the Leinart pick overshadows this, especially when you have the star skill guys you can pair him with, James, Fitzgerald, Boldin, in addition to getting a steal in the third round to round out the group, Leonard Pope. However, I think in time we're going to look more closely to how the Arizona Cardinals just missed out on Winston Justice.

Don't get me wrong, I like Lutui, but the opportunity to aquire a franchise pass protection Tackle is rare and I think Andy Reid's draft tactics won out on this particular draft Saturday. And it ruined my "perfect" grade of the Cards' draft.

 
Another thing, is it just me, or does Denny Green always end up with the guys you read about in all your draft magazines as being a highly rated player and when draft day arrives he falls? (Which is why I was disappointed in the Cardinals missing out on Justice) Lots of guys dip in where they've been predicted to go but it seems every player Green drafts is one of the guys Kiper on D-day will end up saying this about ,"He was projected at one time to go in the x or maybe y round, but falls to Denny Green here."

But check your mags. You're pretty familiar with guys. You're surprised when he's not picked early. He drops so far you almost forget about him. Then, out of the blue, you hear, "With the 25th pick in the 4th Round, the Arizona Crdinals select Elton Brown, Guard, University of Virginia."

Denny Green is the only coach in the NFL that can make a layperson NFL fan feel like he knows something on draft day. This as oppsed to, 5th round, Steelers select Never Had a Press Clippings(on) I'm So Obscure My Listing in Magazines Just Has My Name and a Number Beside It(er).

Tell me you guys have had the same experience. :D :shrug:

 
Bookmarking this thread.  A draft day genius should be able to finish above .500 and make the playoffs after 3 drafts, no?  Arizona needs to add 4 wins to their '05 record.

I'll check back in January.
Arizona is almost a lock for the playoffs this year.
Anybody who has paid any attention to the Cardinals franchise, even as a casual observer, knows they are NEVER a lock for the playoffs. :thumbdown:
 
Bookmarking this thread. A draft day genius should be able to finish above .500 and make the playoffs after 3 drafts, no? Arizona needs to add 4 wins to their '05 record.I'll check back in January.
I know its not January yet, but I'm thinking the playoffs are a bit of a reach right now. I don't think DGreen has earned a rep as 'genius' yet (draft day or otherwise).
 
nice bump, one of my many Leinart threads, before I saw him play at the Pro level.

Can we please bump all the threads declaring Cutler and VY better pro prospects...what a joke.

 
Another thing, is it just me, or does Denny Green always end up with the guys you read about in all your draft magazines as being a highly rated player and when draft day arrives he falls? (Which is why I was disappointed in the Cardinals missing out on Justice) Lots of guys dip in where they've been predicted to go but it seems every player Green drafts is one of the guys Kiper on D-day will end up saying this about ,"He was projected at one time to go in the x or maybe y round, but falls to Denny Green here."
Yeah, at one point I entertained the idea that Denny Green was just drafting using the magazines and not doing any scouting. :nerd:
 

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