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Dennis Green = Draft Day Genius :yes: (1 Viewer)
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So far his track record has been way above average draft wise...Fitzgerald and Dansby specifically have been huge.SoloMatisse
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LEINART ....in a new stadium......to Fitzgerald, Boldin, Pope and Edge James......in due time. This is nice to see. Congrats Cards fans! Your time has about come.
If the Cards can't wrangle a few NFC West Division titles and some playoff success out of this, it means the Football Gods have cursed them for all time (or at least until Bidwells are out of the picture).LEINART ....in a new stadium......to Fitzgerald, Boldin, Pope and Edge James......in due time. This is nice to see. Congrats Cards fans! Your time has about come.
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scoobygang
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The got Deuce Latui as well. I thought he was the second best player in the Rose Bowl last year.
Rams have been a high scoring O for a long while and are never easy to beat. The Hawks were excellent last year and look like they're having a nice draft. Division title might be hard but they should be a regular in the playoffsIf the Cards can't wrangle a few NFC West Division titles and some playoff success out of this, it means the Football Gods have cursed them for all time (or at least until Bidwells are out of the picture).LEINART ....in a new stadium......to Fitzgerald, Boldin, Pope and Edge James......in due time. This is nice to see. Congrats Cards fans! Your time has about come.
Texasmouth
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Let's not write off Arrington just yet either. I think this kid still has some potential especially with Edge there to show the kid what works and what doesn't work.
Denny Green is a draft guru. He is putting together arguably the best offense in football.
Denny Green is a draft guru. He is putting together arguably the best offense in football.
Meggett was adored by NY Giant fans. Pats fans really appreciate Kevin Faulk. If Arrington lost his desire to be an everydown back and played the 3rd down role real well like them, then he could make a difference in this league. I just don't see it as an everydown back. With all the huge egos of the NFL, it's not often a guy accepts this limitted role and thrives at it. As for your last sentence, I've been saying that for a couple years now if not longer. His Minny O were excellent and he's doing it again.
coco the monkey
Footballguy
Leinart free fell for a reason.
BlueOnion
Footballguy
Denny Green is really outstanding in the NFL draft as far as establishing his draft board in advance and having no qualms about jumping on a guy who drops (Culpepper, Moss...).
In addition, when he takes a guy who 'dropped', it is likely he'll buy into Denny Green's underdog\'us against the world' mentality.
I have no doubt Lienart will be starting by week 8 and he will flourish under Denny Green.
In addition, when he takes a guy who 'dropped', it is likely he'll buy into Denny Green's underdog\'us against the world' mentality.
I have no doubt Lienart will be starting by week 8 and he will flourish under Denny Green.
fatness
against the grain
You would think so, yes. Dan Snyder used to (appear to his team's fans to) do pretty well with offseason signings for the Redskins when he was making personnel decisions. But they never made the playoffs during those years and nobody accused him of being a genius. I'm not sure why it should be any different for Denny Green.
BlueOnion
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Denny Green is an outstanding personnel guy and can really make an offense hum. I probably made a bit of an exageration with claiming they are a lock because anything can happen in the NFL. But the Cardinals will be a division contender this year.Please tell me you did NOT just jinx us like that.
Crimedogg32
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Denny Green is an overrated drafter. In Minnesota he could usually get some good offensive players like Moss and Culpeper but every time his defensive picks would bust Underwood, Hovan, 20 some odd LBs. He also had a fasination with selecting Standard players who always sucked
That being said this draft looks great for them
That being said this draft looks great for them
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I like HovanDenny Green is an overrated drafter. In Minnesota he could usually get some good offensive players like Moss and Culpeper but every time his defensive picks would bust Underwood, Hovan, 20 some odd LBs. He also had a fasination with selecting Standard players who always sucked
That being said this draft looks great for them
ExaltedOne
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They've really upgraded their defensive tackle rotation this offseason, between these two hosses in the draft and they got that free agent from the Giants as well.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
You think about the Cards on paper on offense and you salivate. Leinart, Edge, Fitzgerald, Boldin. And Pope is a very nice addition; especially considering the value pick that he was, 3rd Rounder.
However, there is a story of one that got away. I think Deuce Lutui most people like. He's a massive guy and you can't argue with his pedigree, blocking for TWO Heismann Trophy winners on a national championship team. The Cards got him in the second round and you think he should be there for 5-7 years. But, it's that he was the Cards pick in the second round out of USC that I have a tarnished view of an outstanding draft where the Cards got immensely better. I posted my Tom Petty thread on Saturday. There was someone else coming from USC's offensive line coming to the Cards, right their way. He was so close I could taste it. Getting this guy in the second round, are you kidding me. This is too good to be true. It can't be. The Lord has shown his face down on the Arizona Cardinals. And then a trade only a spot or two in front of the Cardinals. The bigger bird swept down and claimed its prey, "With their second round pick, the Philadelphia Eagles select Winston Justice, Tackle, from the University of Southern California."
I don't even pull for the Cardinals, but I was pulling for them to get Justice. Yeah, he's had a couple character issues but the talent and upside is their. And you know what? He happens to have experience protecting the blindside of a left-handed Quarterback playing Tackle from the right side.
I know it's always Green's strategy to not trade up or down and let the draft come to him but a funny thing happened on the way to the Forum. They missed out on a stud. A Tackle stud. A guy said to have a chance of blowing away D'Brickashaw Ferguson in terms of an overall career.
Man o' man. That would have made the Cards draft too perfect.
way too perfect. Is anyone with me on this? If you're a Cards fan do you wish Green had deviated from the plan just a bit and watched his back when he knew Philly was there behind him? They are going to be playing the other "Birds" in the playoffs and I think Philly stole one there in a major coup' (sp?). Amazing. Between Broderick Bunkley in the 1st and Justice in the Second the Eagles Greatly improved both their lines.
I think right now the Leinart pick overshadows this, especially when you have the star skill guys you can pair him with, James, Fitzgerald, Boldin, in addition to getting a steal in the third round to round out the group, Leonard Pope. However, I think in time we're going to look more closely to how the Arizona Cardinals just missed out on Winston Justice.
Don't get me wrong, I like Lutui, but the opportunity to aquire a franchise pass protection Tackle is rare and I think Andy Reid's draft tactics won out on this particular draft Saturday. And it ruined my "perfect" grade of the Cards' draft.
However, there is a story of one that got away. I think Deuce Lutui most people like. He's a massive guy and you can't argue with his pedigree, blocking for TWO
Heismann Trophy winners on a national championship team. The Cards got him in the second round and you think he should be there for 5-7 years. But, it's that he was the Cards pick in the second round out of USC that I have a tarnished view of an outstanding draft where the Cards got immensely better. I posted my Tom Petty thread on Saturday. There was someone else coming from USC's offensive line coming to the Cards, right their way. He was so close I could taste it. Getting this guy in the second round, are you kidding me. This is too good to be true. It can't be. The Lord has shown his face down on the Arizona Cardinals. And then a trade only a spot or two in front of the Cardinals. The bigger bird swept down and claimed its prey, "With their second round pick, the Philadelphia Eagles select Winston Justice, Tackle, from the University of Southern California."I don't even pull for the Cardinals, but I was pulling for them to get Justice. Yeah, he's had a couple character issues but the talent and upside is their. And you know what? He happens to have experience protecting the blindside of a left-handed Quarterback playing Tackle from the right side.
I know it's always Green's strategy to not trade up or down and let the draft come to him but a funny thing happened on the way to the Forum. They missed out on a stud. A Tackle stud. A guy said to have a chance of blowing away D'Brickashaw Ferguson in terms of an overall career.
Man o' man. That would have made the Cards draft too perfect.
way too perfect. Is anyone with me on this? If you're a Cards fan do you wish Green had deviated from the plan just a bit and watched his back when he knew Philly was there behind him? They are going to be playing the other "Birds" in the playoffs and I think Philly stole one there in a major coup' (sp?). Amazing. Between Broderick Bunkley in the 1st and Justice in the Second the Eagles Greatly improved both their lines.I think right now the Leinart pick overshadows this, especially when you have the star skill guys you can pair him with, James, Fitzgerald, Boldin, in addition to getting a steal in the third round to round out the group, Leonard Pope. However, I think in time we're going to look more closely to how the Arizona Cardinals just missed out on Winston Justice.
Don't get me wrong, I like Lutui, but the opportunity to aquire a franchise pass protection Tackle is rare and I think Andy Reid's draft tactics won out on this particular draft Saturday. And it ruined my "perfect" grade of the Cards' draft.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
Another thing, is it just me, or does Denny Green always end up with the guys you read about in all your draft magazines as being a highly rated player and when draft day arrives he falls? (Which is why I was disappointed in the Cardinals missing out on Justice) Lots of guys dip in where they've been predicted to go but it seems every player Green drafts is one of the guys Kiper on D-day will end up saying this about ,"He was projected at one time to go in the x or maybe y round, but falls to Denny Green here."
But check your mags. You're pretty familiar with guys. You're surprised when he's not picked early. He drops so far you almost forget about him. Then, out of the blue, you hear, "With the 25th pick in the 4th Round, the Arizona Crdinals select Elton Brown, Guard, University of Virginia."
Denny Green is the only coach in the NFL that can make a layperson NFL fan feel like he knows something on draft day. This as oppsed to, 5th round, Steelers select Never Had a Press Clippings(on) I'm So Obscure My Listing in Magazines Just Has My Name and a Number Beside It(er).
Tell me you guys have had the same experience.
But check your mags. You're pretty familiar with guys. You're surprised when he's not picked early. He drops so far you almost forget about him. Then, out of the blue, you hear, "With the 25th pick in the 4th Round, the Arizona Crdinals select Elton Brown, Guard, University of Virginia."
Denny Green is the only coach in the NFL that can make a layperson NFL fan feel like he knows something on draft day. This as oppsed to, 5th round, Steelers select Never Had a Press Clippings(on) I'm So Obscure My Listing in Magazines Just Has My Name and a Number Beside It(er).
Tell me you guys have had the same experience.
SofaKings.
Footballguy
Uh, not sure what you are trying to say.
el-gato-grande
Footballguy
Anybody who has paid any attention to the Cardinals franchise, even as a casual observer, knows they are NEVER a lock for the playoffs.
I know its not January yet, but I'm thinking the playoffs are a bit of a reach right now. I don't think DGreen has earned a rep as 'genius' yet (draft day or otherwise).
Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
I am very encouraged of the prospect of Matt. I think Denny missed the bus on Duece though. Should have traded up and got Justice
Yeah, at one point I entertained the idea that Denny Green was just drafting using the magazines and not doing any scouting.
