Dennis Hastert Indicted (1 Viewer)

[Binky The Doormat]

Jail time needed. All monies taken away. Jail butt-rape not likely in the unlikely case he gets sent up - he goes to the tennis camp. I only wish more of these ####ers would get nailed.

Dennis Hastert, former Speaker Indicted.

ETA: Thanks for spelling correction ...

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Hastert withdrew a total of approximately $1.7 million in cash from various bank accounts and provided it to a person identified only as Individual A

Well now, who is Mr. A, then.

And:

In the indictment, Hastert is accused of agreeing to pay one individual $3.5 million.

he had agreed to provide the individual with $3.5 million “to compensate for and conceal his prior misconduct against” the person.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/johnstanton/former-house-speaker-dennis-hastert-indicted-on-federal-char#.fh2RmLmAZ

 

[Jack White]

It's Hastert.

I wonder who he crossed to get charged with this.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

The Justice Department has indicted former House Speaker Dennis Hastert on reporting evasion charges and lying to the FBI as part of an effort to pay off victims of “prior bad acts.”

Prior bad acts.



As if that isnt bad enough...

They should have included his time as lobbyist, his ability to push Medicare-D and corporate welfare via tax cuts.

 

[urbanhack]

I only wish more of these ####ers would get nailed.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The Justice Department has indicted former House Speaker Dennis Hastert on reporting evasion charges and lying to the FBI as part of an effort to pay off victims of “prior bad acts.”

Prior bad acts.



As if that isnt bad enough...

They should have included his time as lobbyist, his ability to push Medicare-D and corporate welfare via tax cuts.

Ha, I want to know what Hastert did to Mr. A that garnered a $3.5 mill payoff.

 

[ScottNorwood]

Up yer butt Jobu

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

I thought this was about Dennis Haysbert. *phew*

 

[Mr. Ected]

It's Hastert.

I wonder who he crossed to get charged with this.

FIFA.

 

[ffldrew]

Hush money involving a former high school wrestling coach - hmmmmmmmm wonder what this is all about?

 

[Sinn Fein]

Republican? Probably gay affair.

 

[johnnycakes]

Unless I missed seeing it, according to this, the U.S. has the highest incarceration rate in the world. We don't have enough prison space the way it is. This guy is a nonviolent criminal convicted well past retirement age. Fine him and publicly humiliate him and let it go at that. We have bigger fish to fry.

 

[raidergil]

Every time I see one of these stories I'm more amazed the US continues to lead the world and question how we have these degenerates setting our laws.

 

[belljr]

So no more all state commercials?

 

[raidergil]

Unless I missed seeing it, according to this, the U.S. has the highest incarceration rate in the world. We don't have enough prison space the way it is. This guy is a nonviolent criminal convicted well past retirement age. Fine him and publicly humiliate him and let it go at that. We have bigger fish to fry.

Yes, we need to kill off more convicted murders, then we'll have space for these creeps. He's already making payoffs, why allow a fine? Then we can focus on FIFA & the Clintons (ha, silly me!)

 

[tri-man 47]

Give 'em a week, or month, of solitary confinement. Give them a little bit of hell so the others think twice about doing stupid stuff.

 

[Porkchop Express]

Anything really think he's gonna be punished hard for this? If he gets jail time it wont be of the OZ variety.

 

[Jack White]

Every time I see one of these stories I'm more amazed the US continues to lead the world and question how we have these degenerates setting our laws.

Please read this so you can stop being amazed.

 

[eoMMan]

Shame.

He was fantastic as Mr. Belding on Saved By The Bell.

 

[flapgreen]

Yeah, he pissed off the wrong person.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

Unless I missed seeing it, according to this, the U.S. has the highest incarceration rate in the world. We don't have enough prison space the way it is. This guy is a nonviolent criminal convicted well past retirement age. Fine him and publicly humiliate him and let it go at that. We have bigger fish to fry.

I am more for the Chinese approach. Set some examples.

Put the guy down, hang him outside the Capitol during session and let'em all know we are looking for like others with great earnest.

 

[jamny]

Maybe that's why Backstrom was cancelled.

 

[Brony]

Shame.

He was fantastic as Mr. Belding on Saved By The Bell.

thats what I thought too.

 

[Christo]

Every time I see one of these stories I'm more amazed the US continues to lead the world and question how we have these degenerates setting our laws.

You don't know much about the rest of the world, do you? What we arrest people for most of the rest of the world deems "business as usual."

 

[randall146]

Unless I missed seeing it, according to this, the U.S. has the highest incarceration rate in the world. We don't have enough prison space the way it is. This guy is a nonviolent criminal convicted well past retirement age. Fine him and publicly humiliate him and let it go at that. We have bigger fish to fry.

We have the highest incarceration rate because we imprison nonviolent drug offenders.

Corrupt public officials are exactly the fish we should be frying

 

[randall146]

Now that I've read though the indictment, I see that this isn't a public corruption case, and in fact they probably only went after him at all because he is a former public official. Keep in mind that the actual crime here is: withdrawing $ from the bank in less than $10,000 increments to avoid attracting attention. This is called "structuring" - a ridiculous offense that in my view is abused by the feds. Libertarians would be outraged by this law if they knew more about it

It's a complicated case in that it's hard to pick any "good guys."

-The alleged victim of the at least 35 year old wrongdoing (I'd guess molestation), who is now extorting $ millions to keep quiet

-Hastert, the alleged wrongdoer, but also the victim of the multi-million $ extortion, whose crime here is making small withdrawals to pay off the extorter and then lying about it

-The feds - avengers of a serious 35 year old crime and/or prosecutors of the victim of extortion because he didn't withdraw his money the way the feds like

 

[Christo]

Now that I've read though the indictment, I see that this isn't a public corruption case, and in fact they probably only went after him at all because he is a former public official. Keep in mind that the actual crime here is: withdrawing $ from the bank in less than $10,000 increments to avoid attracting attention. This is called "structuring" - a ridiculous offense that in my view is abused by the feds. Libertarians would be outraged by this law if they knew more about it

It's a complicated case in that it's hard to pick any "good guys."

-The alleged victim of the at least 35 year old wrongdoing (I'd guess molestation), who is now extorting $ millions to keep quiet

-Hastert, the alleged wrongdoer, but also the victim of the multi-million $ extortion, whose crime here is making small withdrawals to pay off the extorter and then lying about it

-The feds - avengers of a serious 35 year old crime and/or prosecutors of the victim of extortion because he didn't withdraw his money the way the feds like

You want to talk about a crime that's abused by the Feds, it's the law that criminalizes lying to the feds.

 

[randall146]

Now that I've read though the indictment, I see that this isn't a public corruption case, and in fact they probably only went after him at all because he is a former public official. Keep in mind that the actual crime here is: withdrawing $ from the bank in less than $10,000 increments to avoid attracting attention. This is called "structuring" - a ridiculous offense that in my view is abused by the feds. Libertarians would be outraged by this law if they knew more about it

It's a complicated case in that it's hard to pick any "good guys."

-The alleged victim of the at least 35 year old wrongdoing (I'd guess molestation), who is now extorting $ millions to keep quiet

-Hastert, the alleged wrongdoer, but also the victim of the multi-million $ extortion, whose crime here is making small withdrawals to pay off the extorter and then lying about it

-The feds - avengers of a serious 35 year old crime and/or prosecutors of the victim of extortion because he didn't withdraw his money the way the feds like

You want to talk about a crime that's abused by the Feds, it's the law that criminalizes lying to the feds.

Absolutely

 

[Tom Hagen]

Now that I've read though the indictment, I see that this isn't a public corruption case, and in fact they probably only went after him at all because he is a former public official. Keep in mind that the actual crime here is: withdrawing $ from the bank in less than $10,000 increments to avoid attracting attention. This is called "structuring" - a ridiculous offense that in my view is abused by the feds. Libertarians would be outraged by this law if they knew more about it

It's a complicated case in that it's hard to pick any "good guys."

-The alleged victim of the at least 35 year old wrongdoing (I'd guess molestation), who is now extorting $ millions to keep quiet

-Hastert, the alleged wrongdoer, but also the victim of the multi-million $ extortion, whose crime here is making small withdrawals to pay off the extorter and then lying about it

-The feds - avengers of a serious 35 year old crime and/or prosecutors of the victim of extortion because he didn't withdraw his money the way the feds like

I know about the $10,000 rule but I'm still pretty shuked that withdrawing money from your own bank account is punishable with prison time.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The $10K rule is outrageous in itself but they use it to catch people doing nefarious things, like what happens with tax violators. Let's face it Denny was withdrawing cash to pay someone off, hopefully they charge him with that and not just the structuring in the end. Of course it's also a little odd that the guy doing the extortion is not charged but the guy being extorted is. There's is likely more to come out.

 

[Christo]

The $10K rule is outrageous in itself but they use it to catch people doing nefarious things, like what happens with tax violators. Let's face it Denny was withdrawing cash to pay someone off, hopefully they charge him with that and not just the structuring in the end. Of course it's also a little odd that the guy doing the extortion is not charged but the guy being extorted is. There's is likely more to come out.

So you want people being extorted to go to prison?

 

[Sweet J]

Now that I've read though the indictment, I see that this isn't a public corruption case, and in fact they probably only went after him at all because he is a former public official. Keep in mind that the actual crime here is: withdrawing $ from the bank in less than $10,000 increments to avoid attracting attention. This is called "structuring" - a ridiculous offense that in my view is abused by the feds. Libertarians would be outraged by this law if they knew more about it

It's a complicated case in that it's hard to pick any "good guys."

-The alleged victim of the at least 35 year old wrongdoing (I'd guess molestation), who is now extorting $ millions to keep quiet

-Hastert, the alleged wrongdoer, but also the victim of the multi-million $ extortion, whose crime here is making small withdrawals to pay off the extorter and then lying about it

-The feds - avengers of a serious 35 year old crime and/or prosecutors of the victim of extortion because he didn't withdraw his money the way the feds like

I agree 10000%.

With what we know now, this really does appear to stink.

ALL this guy did was take money out of the bank to pay someone off, and lie to the feds about it. The libertarian in me thinks this is absolutely ridiculous. If he committed a crime years ago, go after him for that. But I HATE that it is a crime to take money out of your own bank. And I HATE that it's a crime to lie to the police.

This really sucks.

NOTE: I don't know anything really about his politics. But it doesn't matter.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The $10K rule is outrageous in itself but they use it to catch people doing nefarious things, like what happens with tax violators. Let's face it Denny was withdrawing cash to pay someone off, hopefully they charge him with that and not just the structuring in the end. Of course it's also a little odd that the guy doing the extortion is not charged but the guy being extorted is. There's is likely more to come out.

So you want people being extorted to go to prison?

No, of course not, quite the opposite. I'm saying it's very odd. Wouldn't you say? Supposedly Hastert is the extortionee and yet he is the one being charged while the extorter is being kept anonymous.

My point was that the feds use charges like this to pressure people to cooperate.

The IRS example probably wasn't a good one. They can put a Capone type away for failing to file tax returns and I guess that's a good thing. But no I don't think someone should be convicted just for withdrawing money.

I can think of two instances where this kind of thing played out, one good, one maybe bad. In LA the feds first got notoriously corrupt former governor Edwin Edwards for going through the San Fran airport with a money belt holding $400,000. Later they busted him for a whole lot more, and thankfully he went to jail for a long time with some cronies. But originally they got him for just walking around with money.

In another, the guy who made the Innocence of the Muslims movie went to jail for violating his probation by 1. legally changing his name, and 2. "lying" to the feds about his role in the movie... which he had the right to make.

There is also this kind of thing:

Law Lets I.R.S. Seize Accounts on Suspicion, No Crime RequiredARNOLDS PARK, Iowa — For almost 40 years, Carole Hinders has dished out Mexican specialties at her modest cash-only restaurant. For just as long, she deposited the earnings at a small bank branch a block away — until last year, when two tax agents knocked on her door and informed her that they had seized her checking account, almost $33,000.

The Internal Revenue Service agents did not accuse Ms. Hinders of money laundering or cheating on her taxes — in fact, she has not been charged with any crime. Instead, the money was seized solely because she had deposited less than $10,000 at a time, which they viewed as an attempt to avoid triggering a required government report.

“How can this happen?” Ms. Hinders said in a recent interview. “Who takes your money before they prove that you’ve done anything wrong with it?”

The federal government does.

Using a law designed to catch drug traffickers, racketeers and terrorists by tracking their cash, the government has gone after run-of-the-mill business owners and wage earners without so much as an allegation that they have committed serious crimes. The government can take the money without ever filing a criminal complaint, and the owners are left to prove they are innocent. Many give up.

...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/26/us/law-lets-irs-seize-accounts-on-suspicion-no-crime-required.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpSum&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=1

 

[Sweet J]

The $10K rule is outrageous in itself but they use it to catch people doing nefarious things, like what happens with tax violators. Let's face it Denny was withdrawing cash to pay someone off, hopefully they charge him with that and not just the structuring in the end. Of course it's also a little odd that the guy doing the extortion is not charged but the guy being extorted is. There's is likely more to come out.

So you want people being extorted to go to prison?

No, of course not, quite the opposite. I'm saying it's very odd. Wouldn't you say? Supposedly Hastert is the extortionee and yet he is the one being charged while the extorter is being kept anonymous.

My point was that the feds use charges like this to pressure people to cooperate.

The IRS example probably wasn't a good one. They can put a Capone type away for failing to file tax returns and I guess that's a good thing. But no I don't think someone should be convicted just for withdrawing money.

I can think of two instances where this kind of thing played out, one good, one maybe bad. In LA the feds first got notoriously corrupt former governor Edwin Edwards for going through the San Fran airport with a money belt holding $400,000. Later they busted him for a whole lot more, and thankfully he went to jail for a long time with some cronies. But originally they got him for just walking around with money.

In another, the guy who made the Innocence of the Muslims movie went to jail for violating his probation by 1. legally changing his name, and 2. "lying" to the feds about his role in the movie... which he had the right to make.

There is also this kind of thing:

Law Lets I.R.S. Seize Accounts on Suspicion, No Crime RequiredARNOLDS PARK, Iowa — For almost 40 years, Carole Hinders has dished out Mexican specialties at her modest cash-only restaurant. For just as long, she deposited the earnings at a small bank branch a block away — until last year, when two tax agents knocked on her door and informed her that they had seized her checking account, almost $33,000.

The Internal Revenue Service agents did not accuse Ms. Hinders of money laundering or cheating on her taxes — in fact, she has not been charged with any crime. Instead, the money was seized solely because she had deposited less than $10,000 at a time, which they viewed as an attempt to avoid triggering a required government report.

“How can this happen?” Ms. Hinders said in a recent interview. “Who takes your money before they prove that you’ve done anything wrong with it?”

The federal government does.

Using a law designed to catch drug traffickers, racketeers and terrorists by tracking their cash, the government has gone after run-of-the-mill business owners and wage earners without so much as an allegation that they have committed serious crimes. The government can take the money without ever filing a criminal complaint, and the owners are left to prove they are innocent. Many give up.

...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/26/us/law-lets-irs-seize-accounts-on-suspicion-no-crime-required.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpSum&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=1

Outrageous.

 

[TLEF316]

Also thought it was Belding

 

[Short Corner]

Unless I missed seeing it, according to this, the U.S. has the highest incarceration rate in the world. We don't have enough prison space the way it is. This guy is a nonviolent criminal convicted well past retirement age. Fine him and publicly humiliate him and let it go at that. We have bigger fish to fry.

How about we release the perpatrators of victimless crimes first.

 

[NCCommish]

Unless I missed seeing it, according to this, the U.S. has the highest incarceration rate in the world. We don't have enough prison space the way it is. This guy is a nonviolent criminal convicted well past retirement age. Fine him and publicly humiliate him and let it go at that. We have bigger fish to fry.

Yes, we need to kill off more convicted murders, then we'll have space for these creeps. He's already making payoffs, why allow a fine? Then we can focus on FIFA & the Clintons (ha, silly me!)

Or we could end for profit prisons removing the perverse incentives states have to jail everyone they can. We could also stop jailing nonviolent drug offenders which would practically empty our prisons.

 

[NCCommish]

Sounds like Denny got his kiddie diddle on. Can't diddle just one the other victims should start popping up soon.

I guess this explains his complicity in covering for Mark Foley.

 

[roadkill1292]

The asset seizure tactics employed by the DEA and others are too heinous to be allowed to continue.

 

[Jack White]

Now that I've read though the indictment, I see that this isn't a public corruption case, and in fact they probably only went after him at all because he is a former public official. Keep in mind that the actual crime here is: withdrawing $ from the bank in less than $10,000 increments to avoid attracting attention. This is called "structuring" - a ridiculous offense that in my view is abused by the feds. Libertarians would be outraged by this law if they knew more about it

It's a complicated case in that it's hard to pick any "good guys."

-The alleged victim of the at least 35 year old wrongdoing (I'd guess molestation), who is now extorting $ millions to keep quiet

-Hastert, the alleged wrongdoer, but also the victim of the multi-million $ extortion, whose crime here is making small withdrawals to pay off the extorter and then lying about it

-The feds - avengers of a serious 35 year old crime and/or prosecutors of the victim of extortion because he didn't withdraw his money the way the feds like

I agree 10000%.

With what we know now, this really does appear to stink.

ALL this guy did was take money out of the bank to pay someone off, and lie to the feds about it. The libertarian in me thinks this is absolutely ridiculous. If he committed a crime years ago, go after him for that. But I HATE that it is a crime to take money out of your own bank. And I HATE that it's a crime to lie to the police.

This really sucks.

NOTE: I don't know anything really about his politics. But it doesn't matter.

Meanwhile, it's legal for cops to lie to suspects and other civilians.

 

[Jack White]

Unless I missed seeing it, according to this, the U.S. has the highest incarceration rate in the world. We don't have enough prison space the way it is. This guy is a nonviolent criminal convicted well past retirement age. Fine him and publicly humiliate him and let it go at that. We have bigger fish to fry.

Yes, we need to kill off more convicted murders, then we'll have space for these creeps. He's already making payoffs, why allow a fine? Then we can focus on FIFA & the Clintons (ha, silly me!)

Or we could end for profit prisons removing the perverse incentives states have to jail everyone they can. We could also stop jailing nonviolent drug offenders which would practically empty our prisons.

This is a distinction without a difference. Whether a prison is "for profit" or directly run by the state, all the money comes from taxes.

And, there is plenty of "profit" to be had in either case.

A "private" company whose only potential client is the government is a private company in name only.

 

[NCCommish]

Unless I missed seeing it, according to this, the U.S. has the highest incarceration rate in the world. We don't have enough prison space the way it is. This guy is a nonviolent criminal convicted well past retirement age. Fine him and publicly humiliate him and let it go at that. We have bigger fish to fry.

Yes, we need to kill off more convicted murders, then we'll have space for these creeps. He's already making payoffs, why allow a fine? Then we can focus on FIFA & the Clintons (ha, silly me!)

Or we could end for profit prisons removing the perverse incentives states have to jail everyone they can. We could also stop jailing nonviolent drug offenders which would practically empty our prisons.

This is a distinction without a difference. Whether a prison is "for profit" or directly run by the state, all the money comes from taxes.

And, there is plenty of "profit" to be had in either case.

A "private" company whose only potential client is the government is a private company in name only.

Someday you'll be right about something. For profit prisons come with contracts. Those contracts specify the minimum percentage of capacity a state must maintain to not be charged extra by the company. This creates a perverse incentive to jail people. That doesn't happen with state run prisons as less prisoners cost the state less in that case.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Unless I missed seeing it, according to this, the U.S. has the highest incarceration rate in the world. We don't have enough prison space the way it is. This guy is a nonviolent criminal convicted well past retirement age. Fine him and publicly humiliate him and let it go at that. We have bigger fish to fry.

Yes, we need to kill off more convicted murders, then we'll have space for these creeps. He's already making payoffs, why allow a fine? Then we can focus on FIFA & the Clintons (ha, silly me!)

Or we could end for profit prisons removing the perverse incentives states have to jail everyone they can. We could also stop jailing nonviolent drug offenders which would practically empty our prisons.

This is a distinction without a difference. Whether a prison is "for profit" or directly run by the state, all the money comes from taxes.

And, there is plenty of "profit" to be had in either case.

A "private" company whose only potential client is the government is a private company in name only.

Someday you'll be right about something. For profit prisons come with contracts. Those contracts specify the minimum percentage of capacity a state must maintain to not be charged extra by the company. This creates a perverse incentive to jail people. That doesn't happen with state run prisons as less prisoners cost the state less in that case.

I don't know about where you live, but that also happens at Orleans Parish prison, which obviously is public, there's very little oversight and money goes missing. Our criminal sheriff is the biggest employer in town (note, we have a criminal sheriff, a civil sheriff, and the NOPD, three different things here, the criminal sheriff runs the OPP). Try to find out about the funding and expenses of your own local county or city prison and see how things go.

 

[NCCommish]

Unless I missed seeing it, according to this, the U.S. has the highest incarceration rate in the world. We don't have enough prison space the way it is. This guy is a nonviolent criminal convicted well past retirement age. Fine him and publicly humiliate him and let it go at that. We have bigger fish to fry.

Yes, we need to kill off more convicted murders, then we'll have space for these creeps. He's already making payoffs, why allow a fine? Then we can focus on FIFA & the Clintons (ha, silly me!)

Or we could end for profit prisons removing the perverse incentives states have to jail everyone they can. We could also stop jailing nonviolent drug offenders which would practically empty our prisons.

This is a distinction without a difference. Whether a prison is "for profit" or directly run by the state, all the money comes from taxes.

And, there is plenty of "profit" to be had in either case.

A "private" company whose only potential client is the government is a private company in name only.

Someday you'll be right about something. For profit prisons come with contracts. Those contracts specify the minimum percentage of capacity a state must maintain to not be charged extra by the company. This creates a perverse incentive to jail people. That doesn't happen with state run prisons as less prisoners cost the state less in that case.

I don't know about where you live, but that also happens at Orleans Parish prison, which obviously is public, there's very little oversight and money goes missing. Our criminal sheriff is the biggest employer in town (note, we have a criminal sheriff, a civil sheriff, and the NOPD, three different things here, the criminal sheriff runs the OPP). Try to find out about the funding and expenses of your own local county or city prison and see how things go.

Does Orleans Parish prison get extra money if the population falls below a certain number? We aren't talking corruption here we are talking signed legal contracts.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Unless I missed seeing it, according to this, the U.S. has the highest incarceration rate in the world. We don't have enough prison space the way it is. This guy is a nonviolent criminal convicted well past retirement age. Fine him and publicly humiliate him and let it go at that. We have bigger fish to fry.

Yes, we need to kill off more convicted murders, then we'll have space for these creeps. He's already making payoffs, why allow a fine? Then we can focus on FIFA & the Clintons (ha, silly me!)

Or we could end for profit prisons removing the perverse incentives states have to jail everyone they can. We could also stop jailing nonviolent drug offenders which would practically empty our prisons.

This is a distinction without a difference. Whether a prison is "for profit" or directly run by the state, all the money comes from taxes.

And, there is plenty of "profit" to be had in either case.

A "private" company whose only potential client is the government is a private company in name only.

Someday you'll be right about something. For profit prisons come with contracts. Those contracts specify the minimum percentage of capacity a state must maintain to not be charged extra by the company. This creates a perverse incentive to jail people. That doesn't happen with state run prisons as less prisoners cost the state less in that case.

I don't know about where you live, but that also happens at Orleans Parish prison, which obviously is public, there's very little oversight and money goes missing. Our criminal sheriff is the biggest employer in town (note, we have a criminal sheriff, a civil sheriff, and the NOPD, three different things here, the criminal sheriff runs the OPP). Try to find out about the funding and expenses of your own local county or city prison and see how things go.

Does Orleans Parish prison get extra money if the population falls below a certain number? We aren't talking corruption here we are talking signed legal contracts.

Huh, I see what you mean, so the company gets to charge the state if some minimum quote is not met, I just noticed that. - No, almost certainly not, that does not go on. - But the incentive works in other ways, people are held without charges, people with mental problems are held, and a wide variety of contracts are let out. There are all kinds of abuses. The feds came in at the same time they reformed the PD, addressed the issue of overcrowding and the result was a massive new contract to build a new jail... which as it turns out is not actually big enough, which is a reason to build yet another jail, hence more contracts for the politically connected. Coming and going incarceration is an industry.

 

[cstu]

And I HATE that it's a crime to lie to the police.

You have a right not to speak to the police. If you choose to lie, like say you saw someone else do the crime and cost the police time and money, then I don't have an issue with it being a crime.

 

[cstu]

Why do Republicans like the peen so much?

 

[cstu]

Unless I missed seeing it, according to this, the U.S. has the highest incarceration rate in the world. We don't have enough prison space the way it is. This guy is a nonviolent criminal convicted well past retirement age. Fine him and publicly humiliate him and let it go at that. We have bigger fish to fry.

Yes, we need to kill off more convicted murders, then we'll have space for these creeps. He's already making payoffs, why allow a fine? Then we can focus on FIFA & the Clintons (ha, silly me!)

Legalize drugs - use the money for education and treatment. Problem solved.

 

[tri-man 47]

Sounds like Denny got his kiddie diddle on. Can't diddle just one the other victims should start popping up soon.

I guess this explains his complicity in covering for Mark Foley.

That's the claim, now - sexual allegations from when he was a teacher/wrestling coach ("let me show you this move!").

Tough call on whether to spend $3.5M, knowing (a) it's likely to come out (no pun intended) anyway, and (b) that's a lot of money, and (c ) as noted, this might not be the only one.

 

[Christo]

And I HATE that it's a crime to lie to the police.

You have a right not to speak to the police. If you choose to lie, like say you saw someone else do the crime and cost the police time and money, then I don't have an issue with it being a crime.

That is an incorrect statement.