Denver/Indy - Interesting matchup (1 Viewer)

[Banger]

This is a very interesting matchup this weekend. Denver's pass D has been ridiculous to start the season to the tune of averaging 108 pass yards against which is nearly 90 yards less per game than the #2 pass defense. It certainly helped playing against probably 3 of the worst pass offenses in the league (Buff/Oak/Jax). This week they have their 1st real test against the Colts. So what gives does Denver continue to dominate against the pass or does Indy just choose to pound it against their terrible run defense (29th)? How do you guys think this game will play out?

 

[Gr00vus]

I think you answered your own question. The pass D is good, but the run D is so bad the pass D numbers are extremely skewed as there's no reason to stop running on them long enough to pass.

Big day for Addai and Keith. I'm sure Dungy would love to pound Shanny and Ponys into meal on both sides of the ball as well.

 

[C Diesel]

I see a high scoring affair from both sides with the Colts winning. Manning and Cuts should both have nice days.

 

[Phurfur]

Denver is lucky they are not 0-3. Indy will take what ever Denver gives them. This game will not be close unless Indy overlooks them.

 

[Banger]

Denver is lucky they are not 0-3. Indy will take what ever Denver gives them. This game will not be close unless Indy overlooks them.

I agree. I'm just having a hard time figuring out if in fact the Bronco's pass defense is in fact the top pass defense in the league. I know they have two good corners but I'm not sure how much of their ranking is due to the terrible competition and how much it is the actual Denver defense. Last year they finished 21st so does Bly make that much of a difference?

 

[shadyridr]

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...81&hl=wayne

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

i went so far as to suggest at least the possibility of benching Manning or even moreso Harrison/Wayne in this thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...1&hl=denver

also, i think the indy passing game is just slightly overvalued on the season as a whole. from my comments in another thread:

Interesting that neither Wayne nor Harrison is knocking on the door and that Manning is currently not in the Top 5. I started digging in a little while looking at their matchup with Denver this upcoming week and just cant help but think these 3 guys are overrated right now. Not necessarily sell candidates, but possibly overvalued.

1. Neither Wayne nor Harrison has gone over 100 yards or scored the last 2 weeks against Tenn and Hou.

2. Indy D looks (so far) much better than i expected. I thought Manning would be chucking it all over the yard, but so far this team looks much more like the 2006 playoffs version than the 2004 regular season team.

3. Addai/Keith have the running game going. Addai may be a better goalline back than Edge.

4. Clark and to a much lesser extent Gonzo2 are getting plenty of looks.

5. Schedule includes Den, TB, Jaxx2, @ Bal, mixed with a few medicocre matchups (@ Car, KC, @ oak) and some juice (Hou, @ SD).

Harrison/Wayne will not finish outside of the Top 20 and Manning will not finish outside the Top 10. But I wouldn’t be surprised to see them finish outside the Top 10 and 5, respectively.

Just my $.02

 

[Banger]

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...81&hl=wayne

lol, missed that one....thx

 

[hellz_fireflies]

I see a high scoring affair from both sides with the Colts winning. Manning and Cuts should both have nice days.

You got to be kidding, no way they will get anything against the Colts DT in passing...they have to run all day best choice.

 

[Banger]

1. Neither Wayne nor Harrison has gone over 100 yards or scored the last 2 weeks against Tenn and Hou.Just my $.02

Not to go too far off on a tangent but I'm starting to think that Tenn and Houston both have some legit defenses and what used to be doormats in the past may actually be pretty stout (especially against the run). It's always tough during the 1st few weeks of the year in determining who has improved/regressed or if they were just bad games.

 

[hellz_fireflies]

1. Neither Wayne nor Harrison has gone over 100 yards or scored the last 2 weeks against Tenn and Hou.Just my $.02

Not to go too far off on a tangent but I'm starting to think that Tenn and Houston both have some legit defenses and what used to be doormats in the past may actually be pretty stout (especially against the run). It's always tough during the 1st few weeks of the year in determining who has improved/regressed or if they were just bad games.

This I agree with 100% alot of DT's are better this year thats why RB's not scoring so high yet.

 

[BoltBacker]

I think DEN wins this game;

- They are one of the only teams in the NFL that has any chance of covering both Harrison/Wayne(remember DEN would have beat IND last season if it wouldn't have been forDarrent Williams). Bly is a HUGE upgrade at the other CB across from Bailey.

- DEN also has the running game to keep Manning on the bench. The IND LB's, not their strength in the first place, are still less than 100%. They gave up 4.8ypc vs HOU/TEN and DEN should do no worse than that.

- IMO Addai is more a finesse runner than the Lynch/Jordan/Taylor combination that has punished the DT/ILB/S of DEN. Addai relies more on speed than either of the afore mentioned and a DEN defense has always been based on speed and persuit.

Any one of these on their own wouldn't win the game for DEN this weekend but I think the combination of the three give DEN a much better chance that most to pull this game out. I think DEN plus the points and the UNDER is a solid play this weekend.

 

[Judge Smails]

I think DEN wins this game;- They are one of the only teams in the NFL that has any chance of covering both Harrison/Wayne(remember DEN would have beat IND last season if it wouldn't have been forDarrent Williams). Bly is a HUGE upgrade at the other CB across from Bailey.- DEN also has the running game to keep Manning on the bench. The IND LB's, not their strength in the first place, are still less than 100%. They gave up 4.8ypc vs HOU/TEN and DEN should do no worse than that.- IMO Addai is more a finesse runner than the Lynch/Jordan/Taylor combination that has punished the DT/ILB/S of DEN. Addai relies more on speed than either of the afore mentioned and a DEN defense has always been based on speed and persuit.Any one of these on their own wouldn't win the game for DEN this weekend but I think the combination of the three give DEN a much better chance that most to pull this game out. I think DEN plus the points and the UNDER is a solid play this weekend.

You sir, are high.Addai will shred that run D.

 

[SSOG]

Denver is lucky they are not 0-3. Indy will take what ever Denver gives them. This game will not be close unless Indy overlooks them.

I agree. I'm just having a hard time figuring out if in fact the Bronco's pass defense is in fact the top pass defense in the league. I know they have two good corners but I'm not sure how much of their ranking is due to the terrible competition and how much it is the actual Denver defense. Last year they finished 21st so does Bly make that much of a difference?

Not just Bly. Bly, Simeon Rice, Jarvis Moss, Marcus Thomas, Jim Bates, and the continued development of Elvis Dumervil. More than anything else, the newly potent passrush is responsible for the big jump in Denver's pass defense.

- They are one of the only teams in the NFL that has any chance of covering both Harrison/Wayne(remember DEN would have beat IND last season if it wouldn't have been forDarrent Williams). Bly is a HUGE upgrade at the other CB across from Bailey.

Don't blame last year on Williams, blame it on the pass rush. Manning had all day to pick that defense apart, and Wayne is too good for anyone to be able to consistently cover him for 5 seconds at a time. If you look back at the Denver/Indy series, Denver hasn't taken down a full-strength Indy squad since late in the 2003 season when Trevor Pryce bought a condominium in the Colts backfield and Manning was held to 146 yards passing. Since then, Denver's gotten no pressure, and Manning's gone to town. If Denver stands a chance this year, it'll be Dumervil, Rice, and Moss that give it.

 

[pizzatyme]

Denver is lucky they are not 0-3. Indy will take what ever Denver gives them. This game will not be close unless Indy overlooks them.

I agree. I'm just having a hard time figuring out if in fact the Bronco's pass defense is in fact the top pass defense in the league. I know they have two good corners but I'm not sure how much of their ranking is due to the terrible competition and how much it is the actual Denver defense. Last year they finished 21st so does Bly make that much of a difference?

Not just Bly. Bly, Simeon Rice, Jarvis Moss, Marcus Thomas, Jim Bates, and the continued development of Elvis Dumervil. More than anything else, the newly potent passrush is responsible for the big jump in Denver's pass defense.

- They are one of the only teams in the NFL that has any chance of covering both Harrison/Wayne(remember DEN would have beat IND last season if it wouldn't have been forDarrent Williams). Bly is a HUGE upgrade at the other CB across from Bailey.

Don't blame last year on Williams, blame it on the pass rush. Manning had all day to pick that defense apart, and Wayne is too good for anyone to be able to consistently cover him for 5 seconds at a time. If you look back at the Denver/Indy series, Denver hasn't taken down a full-strength Indy squad since late in the 2003 season when Trevor Pryce bought a condominium in the Colts backfield and Manning was held to 146 yards passing. Since then, Denver's gotten no pressure, and Manning's gone to town. If Denver stands a chance this year, it'll be Dumervil, Rice, and Moss that give it.

:( I hope Indy at home can perform just a little better than the Raiders. If that's the case then maybe Indy wins by a made FG?!

 

[djcolts]

- DEN also has the running game to keep Manning on the bench. The IND LB's, not their strength in the first place, are still less than 100%. They gave up 4.8ypc vs HOU/TEN and DEN should do no worse than that.

This is wrong. HOU only got 40 yards on 17 carries last week. TEN got 141 yards on 34 carries. Meaning - ypc was 3.6 ypc - not close to 4.8.

 

[Banger]

- DEN also has the running game to keep Manning on the bench. The IND LB's, not their strength in the first place, are still less than 100%. They gave up 4.8ypc vs HOU/TEN and DEN should do no worse than that.

This is wrong. HOU only got 40 yards on 17 carries last week. TEN got 141 yards on 34 carries. Meaning - ypc was 3.6 ypc - not close to 4.8.

As a team ytd they've averaged 4.6 ypc against over the 1st 3 games.

 

[djcolts]

- DEN also has the running game to keep Manning on the bench. The IND LB's, not their strength in the first place, are still less than 100%. They gave up 4.8ypc vs HOU/TEN and DEN should do no worse than that.

This is wrong. HOU only got 40 yards on 17 carries last week. TEN got 141 yards on 34 carries. Meaning - ypc was 3.6 ypc - not close to 4.8.

As a team ytd they've averaged 4.6 ypc against over the 1st 3 games.

According to NFL.com - Colts are giving up 3.7 yards per carry this season - 287 yards on 77 carries.LINK