Denver RB (1 Viewer)

[BlackHole]

I've done a search, and I have not cared for the results. I am really looking at Bell as a SOD in FF this year. Am I crazy? I hate Shanahan and his games, however I personally don't see Dayne being near the carries per game threat Anderson was. Add on that now there is no 3rd RB (as Dayne was) to take another small percentage of carries away. I am no huge Bell fan, however I do believe if Bell had 5-8 more touches a game on a consistent basis, he could easliy be top 15 or higher at RB this year.

Consistent touches is my main point. I truely believe Bell will get the extra touches on a consistent basis as oppossed to a plethera every third or fourth game.

Am I alone here or does Bell seem to represent an extreme value pick at RB in the mid late 3rd round or even early 4th round of a re-draft league? The only ranking that seems to agree with my thinking is Levin, who has him at RB 12 right now. Again, I am not a huge Bell fan, but the Denver situation seems to be about as perfect as it can get for Bell to show his stuff this year on a consistent basis.

I'd be happy to take a top RB in the first, a top WR in the 2nd and "steal" Bell in the third this year. Am I just too much or do others agree?

 

[lord_helmet]

Don't count on Bell getting more than 10-15 touches a game, and if Dayne doesn't work out they'll prolly give Cedric Cobbs a shot

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=5576

 

[King of the Jungle]

The question should be: Is Bell a real threat to Dayne?

 

[Boston]

I think the Denver RB situation comes down to one thing...Bell proving he can be an every down back. If he can do that he'll be the guy. He has tons more upside than the other two. IMO it's not too close either. Yet, he has some holes in his game and if he doesn't prove he can be a workhorse that Shanny can trust than the other two will get their opportunity.

 

[CA_7]

The question should be: Is Bell a real threat to Dayne?

What has Dayne proven in the NFL? The only thing going for him is that he has one of the best running schemes in the NFL.

A lot of Dayne's highlights last year came late in the game when he probably had the only fresh legs on the field.

 

[Musesboy]

There is already a great discussion on this topic...

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=241856

 

[DocNiner52]

People have steered away from the Denver rb situation for some time now and it's truly understandable. I'm sure at seasons end the numbers for the Broncos rb's are going to be consistant with years past. As to how that will translate individually for Bell and Dayne remains to be seen. No doubt Shanny has the golden touch when it comes to rb's producing numbers for him. Problem has been those numbers have'nt usually been connected to just one back for the season. While Dayne will fill Anderson's role this year I'm not so sure he'll put up Anderson type numbers. We all go with hunches at times when we select players, sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't. I've got a hunch this year about Bell. I drafted Tatum as my #2 rb in a dynasty league in round 6 and handcuffed Dayne in the 7th. While I'm sure there will be a rbbc of some sort in Denver this year I'm predicting that Bell will be the top producer for the Broncos. Dayne really hasn't shown much in the NFL and some or even many are under the assumption he will be the top back in Denver this year. That may or may not be the case at the end of the year. I just think Bell is more talented and he will show everyone that he's the #1 back in Denver. A lot of people aren't going to touch the Denver backs this year, which I understand, but I'm not afraid to go out on a limb and say that Bell is gonna surprise a lot of people this year. Luck could definitely play a role in their situation this year and I'm feeling lucky about Tatum. He surely won't be a 20-25 touches a game back but he's gonna make the most of the touches he does get. I just gonna say that by the time the playoffs roll around that Bell will finish top 15 in numbers. I'm sure that prediction will be criticized but that's ok. I've got a hunch about Bell this year and I'm sticking with it.

 

[fsufan]

Don't count on Bell getting more than 10-15 touches a game,

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=5576

why

 

[fsufan]

The question should be: Is Bell a real threat to Dayne?

What has Dayne proven in the NFL? The only thing going for him is that he has one of the best running schemes in the NFL.

A lot of Dayne's highlights last year came late in the game when he probably had the only fresh legs on the field.

what has Dayne done in the NFL.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

what has Dayne done in the NFL.

Earned Mike Shanahan's confidence.

 

[zamboni]

what has Dayne done in the NFL.

Earned Mike Shanahan's confidence.

Exactly. We've gone about this a ton, and I'm sure we'll continue all through training camp and the season.But while many FBGs look at Dayne's history as a barometer, I don't think Shanny cares about that.

Remember what Droughns did before he came to Denver - that's right, diddlysquat.

 

[CA_7]

what has Dayne done in the NFL.

Earned Mike Shanahan's confidence.

How so? He was their #3 RB last year and has not be named the starter for 06.

 

[fsufan]

what has Dayne done in the NFL.

Earned Mike Shanahan's confidence.

How so? He was their #3 RB last year and has not be named the starter for 06.

Dayner was even inactive for 3 or 4 games last year and all of the playoffs.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

what has Dayne done in the NFL.

Earned Mike Shanahan's confidence.

How so?

If you're asking me how Ron Dayne has earned Mike Shanahan's confidence, it was probably by performing well last year in games and in practice.If you're asking me how I know that Ron Dayne has earned Mike Shanahan's confidence, it's because Mike Shanahan has said so.

"Take a guy like Ron Dayne, we’ve got a lot of confidence in him." -- Mike Shanahan

He was their #3 RB last year and has not be named the starter for 06.

Denver GM Ted Sunquist talks about their RBs; Dayne to fill Anderson's roll.

 

[zamboni]

Just to add to Maurile's comment, the team signed Dayne to a 3-year contract a few months ago. IIRC, it wasn't huge money or anything, but they could have easily let him walk, too.

 

[P Boy]

I've done a search, and I have not cared for the results.

So you started yet another Dayne/Bell thread hoping to get a bunch of people to agree with you after all the discussion previously?

 

[Big Score]

I've done a search, and I have not cared for the results.

So you started yet another Dayne/Bell thread hoping to get a bunch of people to agree with you after all the discussion previously?

Tickled me as well.

 

[Big Score]

Don't count on Bell getting more than 10-15 touches a game,

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=5576

why

Read the link provided.

 

[CA_7]

what has Dayne done in the NFL.

Earned Mike Shanahan's confidence.

How so?

If you're asking me how Ron Dayne has earned Mike Shanahan's confidence, it was probably by performing well last year in games and in practice.If you're asking me how I know that Ron Dayne has earned Mike Shanahan's confidence, it's because Mike Shanahan has said so.

"Take a guy like Ron Dayne, we’ve got a lot of confidence in him." -- Mike Shanahan

He was their #3 RB last year and has not be named the starter for 06.

Denver GM Ted Sunquist talks about their RBs; Dayne to fill Anderson's roll.

Coachspeak this time of year? Com'n..... Besides the Shanahan quote about confidence goes on to say "We have a number of candidates, I believe, that can get the job done for us". Dayne really sounds like a lock to fill MA's role.

 

[Crimedogg32]

pick a backup RB in the 3rd or 4th round and you expect him to be the SOD no thats going to be the starting RB for Broncos Dayne rounds later

 

[thecardiackid]

This situation is the one that most likely will provide the best "risk / reward" play in the draft - IF you've got the cajones & get it right. AND Skeletor reverts back to his old ways of featuring one RB most of the time. IMO, DEN's run game *could* be better than ever if J Walker gets on the field early (and healthy) to keep DBs more honest than Lelie ever did, aside from once or twice a game.

That said, I'll probably stay away this year, mainly b/c I played the "when do I start M Anderson game" last year - and it drove me nuts. IMO, Shanny's unique twist on his version of RBBC is that if a guy gets going early in a game - he'll get 20+ touches. But, next week, he could only see 5-8. If not the carries could be split between 2/3 guys. This generally equates to FF insanity, as it's very tough to start the right guy on a consistent basis. (believe me, I tried with marginal success last year) Then you'll consider picking up the "other" RB and try starting both every week - just in case. I'm a converted believer in consistency vs. risk/reward - especially when it comes to RB2 - and it looks (at least now) like that will be a tough proposition w/ Denver's RBs.

IF you've got the option of RB3 or "flex" (which I don't) and you're willing to risk your 3/4th rounder - plus another pick around 6/7 - for this experiement, it might be a good play considering the potential reward. Especially if one takes the job full time, or either gets hurt for extended time.

I'm sure many of us that didn't get on the Portis :11: early enough are remembering how that worked out and won many owners rings. My gut also believes Bell can (and should) win the "starting" job by week 3/4, but he'll have to significantly improve his blocking / blitz pick-ups to get it done.

 

[lord_helmet]

Don't count on Bell getting more than 10-15 touches a game,

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=5576

why

Because of what Sundquist says in that interwiev : "you have the speed/breakaway guy (Bell) who seems to be at his best when he carries the ball one to 10 times, and then you've got the power guy on the inside, and Ron will fill that role this year in place of Mike Anderson. I'm not saying that you don't want a No. 1 running back, so to speak, but I think we'll still be an effective offense in a rotational system."

 

[jetsman]

Maurile Makes a compelling Argument..... because Shanahan says so. were it any other coach in the NFL, it wouldnt be enough, but Shanahan has a legendary ego and he could have Jim Brown and Gayle Sayers and Joe Bryants Grandma in his backfield, and if old teflon Mike said Grandma will get the Rock, then Grandma, we'll see you in Hawaii at the Pro Bowl because Shanny will do whatever he needs to to make himself look good

He was going to solve the Jake Plummer riddle when he got him from arizona and who can forget the string of first rounders :

GEORGE FOSTER,

ASHLEY LELIE,

WILLIE MIDDLEBROOKS,

DELTHA O'NEAL,

AL WILSON,

MARCUS NASH,

thats a ton of pro Bowlers there, not to forget the Mo Claretts either mind you

Anything to prove who the genius is in Denver

Why do you think he couldnt hack it in Oakland, couldn't have two geniuses on one team of course. Of course his 8-12 record following Tom Flores 91-56 record might hace had something to do with it, Hell even Art Shell was 51-46 after Shanahan left Oakland.

So If Shanahan says Ron Dayne inspires his confidence and Maurile's well who are we to question it? We are not Geniuses yet are we ?

 

[gocats]

The question should be: Is Bell a real threat to Dayne?

 

[jetsman]

its the System man, Dayne is the Worst goal line runner I ever saw,and I watched all his Giants games.

If Dayne, does a Mike Anderson this Year,I for one will be shocked, taking him over Alexander was the worst giant draft mistake in history

 

[Ariakis]

I think the issue here is that Coach Shananagans doesn't think Bell can carry the load. The result is that he'll get 8-12 and sometimes as much as 15 carries per game. Dayne will get the GL carries and especially the carries when the team has a 2nd half lead. I would estimate 15+ per game. So without the TD's I'd say yardage puts Bell around RB30 and the TD's and yardage puts Dayne around RB20. Dayne and Gado may represent two of the most undervalued RB's in redraft leagues right now.

 

[LHUCKS]

what has Dayne done in the NFL.

Earned Mike Shanahan's confidence.

How so?

If you're asking me how Ron Dayne has earned Mike Shanahan's confidence, it was probably by performing well last year in games and in practice.If you're asking me how I know that Ron Dayne has earned Mike Shanahan's confidence, it's because Mike Shanahan has said so.

"Take a guy like Ron Dayne, we’ve got a lot of confidence in him." -- Mike Shanahan

He was their #3 RB last year and has not be named the starter for 06.

Denver GM Ted Sunquist talks about their RBs; Dayne to fill Anderson's roll.

Coachspeak this time of year? Com'n.....

, you just got

 

[JohnnyU]

I think the issue here is that Coach Shananagans doesn't think Bell can carry the load. The result is that he'll get 8-12 and sometimes as much as 15 carries per game. Dayne will get the GL carries and especially the carries when the team has a 2nd half lead. I would estimate 15+ per game. So without the TD's I'd say yardage puts Bell around RB30 and the TD's and yardage puts Dayne around RB20. Dayne and Gado may represent two of the most undervalued RB's in redraft leagues right now.