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When Romo puts up 500 yards on you, I'd be worried. 32nd ranked pass defense..this team will not be in the Super Bowl, mark my words. 60 yr old Champ Bailey making a return will do no help. I wouldn't be surprised if Henne put up 400 yards on them this week.

 
I won't defend that piss poor effort yesterday, but you do realize that they in part have given up a lot of passing yards because teams are constantly in catch-up mode and throwing all day, right? The Ravens, Giants and Oakland all put up a ton of yards late in garbage time of those games.

Plus, getting Von Miller and Champ Bailey back WILL help a lot. Miller will make the pass rush a lot better, which in turn will improve the pass defense. Funny how that works.

 
Champ actually will make them worse. He's done. He proved that last year.

 
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Their defense needs to make a few stops a game... They would be Super Bowl contenders with Alabama's defense. Not only are you saying they will not win the Super Bowl, you're saying they won't win the AFC.

Sure, Henne will hang some yards out there in a 49- 17 loss.

This thread is argumentative for the point of being argumentative.

 
Their defense needs to make a few stops a game... They would be Super Bowl contenders with Alabama's defense. Not only are you saying they will not win the Super Bowl, you're saying they won't win the AFC.

Sure, Henne will hang some yards out there in a 49- 17 loss.

This thread is argumentative for the point of being argumentative.
Yeah, you can put a high school defense on the Broncos and it'd still be irrelevant. As Peyton's still marching down for a TD on every drive. All the Broncos defense has to do to really win games is make a stop here or there. It's not a big deal if they let up 35 ppg as they're scoring well over 40 ppg. If they happen to make 1-2 stops a game and make 1-2 turnovers a game. They won't lose.

 
I won't defend that piss poor effort yesterday, but you do realize that they in part have given up a lot of passing yards because teams are constantly in catch-up mode and throwing all day, right? The Ravens, Giants and Oakland all put up a ton of yards late in garbage time of those games.

Plus, getting Von Miller and Champ Bailey back WILL help a lot. Miller will make the pass rush a lot better, which in turn will improve the pass defense. Funny how that works.
They should easily win the AFC. The Balt fluke won't happen again but come SB, if they play New Orleans who can match them score for score, they lose because the better D is in New Orleans. They beat anyone else.

 
They should easily win the AFC.
Should is fine, but you could argue they should have won the AFC last year, but then Rahim Moore happened. Anything can happen in a playoff game, as we Broncos fans know, but the Broncos defense doesn't have to be great for them to go all the way; it just has to be good enough.

 
They should easily win the AFC.
Should is fine, but you could argue they should have won the AFC last year, but then Rahim Moore happened. Anything can happen in a playoff game, as we Broncos fans know, but the Broncos defense doesn't have to be great for them to go all the way; it just has to be good enough.
Also would never count out the Patriots if that offense can stay healthy. And of course, very few had the Ravens winning the SB last season and in the NFL it all comes down to just one game so crazy things can and will happen. A lot of people were pretty high on the Bengals, but that offense hasn't taken the next step. I can't see the Chiefs beating the Pats or Broncos.

 
They should easily win the AFC.
Should is fine, but you could argue they should have won the AFC last year, but then Rahim Moore happened. Anything can happen in a playoff game, as we Broncos fans know, but the Broncos defense doesn't have to be great for them to go all the way; it just has to be good enough.
It does have to better better than it is though... at least to win the trophy. Not to get them into the Super Bowl though. But think about the other 'high flying offenses' that have won Super Bowl's recently? The Packers and Saints both had one thing in common, while both had bad defenses... both defenses were very opportunistic. They let up tons of yardage and a lot of points but also made tons of plays on the ball and created plenty of turnovers for their high powered offense to take advantage of fully. Hopefully this starts to happen more when Bailey and Miller get back into the fold come playoff stretch. Cause they'll need a few turnovers to beat teams like New Orleans or Green Bay who can possibly go punch for punch with them.

 
They should easily win the AFC.
Should is fine, but you could argue they should have won the AFC last year, but then Rahim Moore happened. Anything can happen in a playoff game, as we Broncos fans know, but the Broncos defense doesn't have to be great for them to go all the way; it just has to be good enough.
Also would never count out the Patriots if that offense can stay healthy. And of course, very few had the Ravens winning the SB last season and in the NFL it all comes down to just one game so crazy things can and will happen. A lot of people were pretty high on the Bengals, but that offense hasn't taken the next step. I can't see the Chiefs beating the Pats or Broncos.
I can easily see the Chiefs beating the Patriots... I'm not sure how you can't see that. I'm interested however in seeing the first Broncos v Chiefs game coming up in a few weeks. It should be a hell of a watch.

 
Everything is a matter of perspective.

To the lobsters in the kitchen of the Titanic the iceberg was a miracle.

Denver is 5-0, they are 5-0 due to their high-scoring offense which will strikes quickly and often leaving their D out on the field facing offenses who are going for broke so obviously they will give up yardage and points.

Speaking from an IDP point of view...

I am not suffering by starting a Bronco DB who is racking up tackles. :banned:

 
They should easily win the AFC.
Should is fine, but you could argue they should have won the AFC last year, but then Rahim Moore happened. Anything can happen in a playoff game, as we Broncos fans know, but the Broncos defense doesn't have to be great for them to go all the way; it just has to be good enough.
Also would never count out the Patriots if that offense can stay healthy. And of course, very few had the Ravens winning the SB last season and in the NFL it all comes down to just one game so crazy things can and will happen. A lot of people were pretty high on the Bengals, but that offense hasn't taken the next step. I can't see the Chiefs beating the Pats or Broncos.
I can easily see the Chiefs beating the Patriots... I'm not sure how you can't see that. I'm interested however in seeing the first Broncos v Chiefs game coming up in a few weeks. It should be a hell of a watch.
I don't know, I just think that the Patriots offense(when/if healthy) is much better than the Chiefs offense, the gap between the two offenses is much bigger than the two teams defenses IMO. I'd like to see the Chiefs beat a good team before I put them in that conversation. The Texans next week should be a good test. As should the Broncos coming up twice.

 
Denver is not going to lose many shootouts. Name the teams with dominant defenses and solid offenses for me, can't be many but that type of team would give Denver more trouble than others.

You have to stop the Denver offense before you can think about beating them. You are not going to win a track meet with Manning, Dallas proved it.

 
Bear in mind: missing from most of yesterdays game wasn't just Champ and Von, but also Chris Harris (Champs replacement) was out the entire 2nd half, Woodyard (mlb, QB of the D) was out after the 1st quarter, and Ayers was out a good chunk as well. Maybe it wouldn't have mattered as these guys were in when Cowboys went up 14-0, but there were a lot of points scored with them on the sidelines.

Its tough for any D missing half the team to operate at a high level.

 
I won't defend that piss poor effort yesterday, but you do realize that they in part have given up a lot of passing yards because teams are constantly in catch-up mode and throwing all day, right? The Ravens, Giants and Oakland all put up a ton of yards late in garbage time of those games.

Plus, getting Von Miller and Champ Bailey back WILL help a lot. Miller will make the pass rush a lot better, which in turn will improve the pass defense. Funny how that works.
They should easily win the AFC. The Balt fluke won't happen again but come SB, if they play New Orleans who can match them score for score, they lose because the better D is in New Orleans. They beat anyone else.
The greatest offense and "greatest team" of all time was held to how many points by the Giants in the Super Bowl? The won't lose in a shootout, they will lose by a team that controls the clock, plays D and makes the right play at the right time.

 
You have to stop the Denver offense before you can think about beating them. You are not going to win a track meet with Manning, Dallas proved it.
Yes, I don't think anyone suggested anything about outscoring them. I think the OP is saying, play your offensive starters with confidence against Denver. If Denver keeps scoring 45+ pts per game, there will be plenty of garbage time stats. I plugged in Terrance Williams yesterday at the last second on a hunch this game would be a shootout. Never thought he'd have a 27 point game, but I'll take it. Peyton's prolific offense is going to make some otherwise marginal fantasy players studs on any given week. Provided the team has an adequate QB.

 
They should easily win the AFC.
Should is fine, but you could argue they should have won the AFC last year, but then Rahim Moore happened. Anything can happen in a playoff game, as we Broncos fans know, but the Broncos defense doesn't have to be great for them to go all the way; it just has to be good enough.
Also would never count out the Patriots if that offense can stay healthy.
For sure. The Patriots defense looks much improved, and with them going 4-1 while missing a lot of key weapons on offense, if playoff time comes around and Gronk, Vereen and Amendola are all healthy, they will be a team to worry about, without a doubt. The Ravens proved last year that as long as you get to the playoffs, it doesn't matter how you look from September through December, it only matters how you look in January and (if you are fortunate) February.

 
I won't defend that piss poor effort yesterday, but you do realize that they in part have given up a lot of passing yards because teams are constantly in catch-up mode and throwing all day, right? The Ravens, Giants and Oakland all put up a ton of yards late in garbage time of those games.

Plus, getting Von Miller and Champ Bailey back WILL help a lot. Miller will make the pass rush a lot better, which in turn will improve the pass defense. Funny how that works.
They should easily win the AFC. The Balt fluke won't happen again but come SB, if they play New Orleans who can match them score for score, they lose because the better D is in New Orleans. They beat anyone else.
The greatest offense and "greatest team" of all time was held to how many points by the Giants in the Super Bowl? The won't lose in a shootout, they will lose by a team that controls the clock, plays D and makes the right play at the right time.
Yeah, I'd be interested to see how they match up against a team like Seattle or New Orleans who can run clock and move the ball while playing physical defense as well. The more I watch Denver and the more I watch New Orleans I'm thinking the worst thing for Denver would be the meet the Saints in the Super Bowl. I think they can match the Broncos offensive fire power while actually slowing Manning down and causing a couple of turnovers.

 
I won't defend that piss poor effort yesterday, but you do realize that they in part have given up a lot of passing yards because teams are constantly in catch-up mode and throwing all day, right? The Ravens, Giants and Oakland all put up a ton of yards late in garbage time of those games.

Plus, getting Von Miller and Champ Bailey back WILL help a lot. Miller will make the pass rush a lot better, which in turn will improve the pass defense. Funny how that works.
They should easily win the AFC. The Balt fluke won't happen again but come SB, if they play New Orleans who can match them score for score, they lose because the better D is in New Orleans. They beat anyone else.
The greatest offense and "greatest team" of all time was held to how many points by the Giants in the Super Bowl? The won't lose in a shootout, they will lose by a team that controls the clock, plays D and makes the right play at the right time.
Yeah, I'd be interested to see how they match up against a team like Seattle or New Orleans who can run clock and move the ball while playing physical defense as well. The more I watch Denver and the more I watch New Orleans I'm thinking the worst thing for Denver would be the meet the Saints in the Super Bowl. I think they can match the Broncos offensive fire power while actually slowing Manning down and causing a couple of turnovers.
I'd love a Saints vs. Broncos Super Bowl myself.

 
Somebody will beat Denver by keeping the score close, controlling the clock, and Manning throwing an untimely INT that gets taken to the house.

 
Two years ago, this defense got Tim Tebow to the playoffs. I don't think they're as bad as some people are saying.

 
I won't defend that piss poor effort yesterday, but you do realize that they in part have given up a lot of passing yards because teams are constantly in catch-up mode and throwing all day, right? The Ravens, Giants and Oakland all put up a ton of yards late in garbage time of those games.

Plus, getting Von Miller and Champ Bailey back WILL help a lot. Miller will make the pass rush a lot better, which in turn will improve the pass defense. Funny how that works.
They should easily win the AFC. The Balt fluke won't happen again but come SB, if they play New Orleans who can match them score for score, they lose because the better D is in New Orleans. They beat anyone else.
I think Indy and KC both have a shot at stifling Manning a little. Luck has a better chance at being able to keep up with Peyton, but a few stops could make the difference, especially in one and done playoff format.

 
When Romo puts up 500 yards on you, I'd be worried. 32nd ranked pass defense..this team will not be in the Super Bowl, mark my words. 60 yr old Champ Bailey making a return will do no help. I wouldn't be surprised if Henne put up 400 yards on them this week.
Doesn't help that they were missing 5 defensive starters (Champ, Von, Woodyard, Harris, and Ayers)

 
Denver is not going to lose many shootouts. Name the teams with dominant defenses and solid offenses for me, can't be many but that type of team would give Denver more trouble than others.

You have to stop the Denver offense before you can think about beating them. You are not going to win a track meet with Manning, Dallas proved it.
Denver has not faced a legit defense this season. As someone pointed out, look at the 2007 Pats. This all looks very familiar. I can easily see the Patriots defense shutting down Manning and making him throw an untimely pick. Just look at his track record against Brady and BB. This Broncos team reminds me a lot of the 2011 Packers. They put up 40pts a game yet couldn't stop anyone. And lost to an absolutely terrible Chiefs team, which I can see happening to the Broncos this Sunday against the Jags.

I'd almost hate to be a Broncos fan this season. Your team will most likely finish 13-3 or 14-2, yet Forehead will choke as usual in the playoffs when it matters the most. And most likely to a team that no one thinks has a shot.

 
Denver is not going to lose many shootouts. Name the teams with dominant defenses and solid offenses for me, can't be many but that type of team would give Denver more trouble than others.

You have to stop the Denver offense before you can think about beating them. You are not going to win a track meet with Manning, Dallas proved it.
Denver has not faced a legit defense this season. As someone pointed out, look at the 2007 Pats. This all looks very familiar. I can easily see the Patriots defense shutting down Manning and making him throw an untimely pick. Just look at his track record against Brady and BB. This Broncos team reminds me a lot of the 2011 Packers. They put up 40pts a game yet couldn't stop anyone. And lost to an absolutely terrible Chiefs team, which I can see happening to the Broncos this Sunday against the Jags.

I'd almost hate to be a Broncos fan this season. Your team will most likely finish 13-3 or 14-2, yet Forehead will choke as usual in the playoffs when it matters the most. And most likely to a team that no one thinks has a shot.
not for nothing, but asides from the Bronco game, the Ravens have allowed 15.25 points and 292 yards per game, a rate that would place them roughly 5th and 3rd in the league.

ETA: they will face the Chiefs - the #1 D in the NFL as of today - twice, the #4 Patriots, the #6 Colts, the #12 Titans, and the under performing Texans before the playoffs. They will be tested.

 
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Champ actually will make them worse. He's done. He proved that last year.
1 bad game does not make a career or season. All he proved last year was that he was still quite good, but should have help over top vs the fastest WRs in the league

also, the op is the same guy hoping for Manning to get injured, right?

 
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Bear in mind: missing from most of yesterdays game wasn't just Champ and Von, but also Chris Harris (Champs replacement) was out the entire 2nd half, Woodyard (mlb, QB of the D) was out after the 1st quarter, and Ayers was out a good chunk as well. Maybe it wouldn't have mattered as these guys were in when Cowboys went up 14-0, but there were a lot of points scored with them on the sidelines.

Its tough for any D missing half the team to operate at a high level.
this.

close to half of their *starters* were out and romo was en fuego.

 
You have to stop the Denver offense before you can think about beating them. You are not going to win a track meet with Manning, Dallas proved it.
Yes, I don't think anyone suggested anything about outscoring them. I think the OP is saying, play your offensive starters with confidence against Denver. If Denver keeps scoring 45+ pts per game, there will be plenty of garbage time stats. I plugged in Terrance Williams yesterday at the last second on a hunch this game would be a shootout. Never thought he'd have a 27 point game, but I'll take it. Peyton's prolific offense is going to make some otherwise marginal fantasy players studs on any given week. Provided the team has an adequate QB.
Fantasy vs NFL my friend. I'm talking about the Denver Broncos, the actual team that resides in Denver.

 
Reviewed what Menus were salvaged from Titanic. No indication that they served lobster at all. I don't know how common a fare that would have been in 1912, during April, for ships provisioned out of England.

 
I knew this game would cause panic for Denver's D. It should, to a point. But as many have pointed out, they were incredibly beat up in this game.

Also, I think Romo and the Cowboys showed a potential formula for beating this team -- deep strikes over the top. It sealed their fate in the playoffs last year, and almost took them down this week. The problem for the rest of the league is that very few teams have the weapons and abilities that the Cowboys offense does. Romo can chuck a deep ball, and does, with abandon, and Dez Bryant is elite at coming down with those. Terrence Williams made a HUGE play that shifted the course of the game, temporarily. And Romo and Witten have a rare kind of chemistry to make something out of nothing, which they did on multiple occasions, once for a TD.

People rip on the Cowboys, but they have the right set of tools to challenge a team built the way Denver is. The Colts might be able to. The Chiefs certainly don't. And it doesn't look like the Patriots do either.

 
It's not reasonable to imply a 500 yard day is garbage time yardage.

CB play in the NFL is poor right now. Granted Calvin is awesome (when healthy) but I feel like there is a disproportionate # of unstoppable WRs now than in recent years. We wind up praising a few DBs as shut down corners rather than noticing many of the rest stink.

I notice a ton of CBs jump on the ball and experienced QBs destroy them with fakes wayyyy too often. Often too, the DB isn't even looking at the ball. I think throughout the league DB play is poor right now.

 
It's not reasonable to imply a 500 yard day is garbage time yardage.

CB play in the NFL is poor right now. Granted Calvin is awesome (when healthy) but I feel like there is a disproportionate # of unstoppable WRs now than in recent years. We wind up praising a few DBs as shut down corners rather than noticing many of the rest stink.

I notice a ton of CBs jump on the ball and experienced QBs destroy them with fakes wayyyy too often. Often too, the DB isn't even looking at the ball. I think throughout the league DB play is poor right now.
A lot of that has to do with the rules changes, imho. It seems like a lot of them have been playing a certain way all through their careers and have been successful, then get to the NFL and find they're unable to play the way they're accustomed. Only a few have the talent or ability to adjust.

Could just be in my imagination, though.

 

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