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Dermontti Dawson (1 Viewer)

Chase Stuart

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Over at P-F-R, we've been profiling the 25 semifinalists for induction.

John Randle

Roger Craig

Russ Grimm

Steve Tasker

Aeneas Williams

Art Modell

Terrell Davis

I decided to bring the TD discussion over here, since I know how much Broncos fans love that topic.

The thread brought about a lot of good discussion, so I decided to bring over today's post as well.

Dermontti Dawson

Teams almost never replace one Hall of Famer with another. The 49ers replacing Joe Montana with Steve Young, the Bears filling Bill George's absence with **** Butkus and the Browns handing the ball off from Jim Brown to Leroy Kelly are exceptions to the rule. Things aren't supposed to be that easy for a team. But in Pittsburgh, fans didn't have to worry about their center for a quarter-century. From 1976 to 1988, Hall of Famer Mike Webster manned the middle for the Steelers offense. Pittsburgh drafted Dermontti Dawson in the second round of the 1988 draft, and he played next to Webster for one season. After Webster left for Kansas City, Dawson moved to the middle, and would start for the Steelers from 1989 to 2000. Those in Pittsburgh still debate who was the better center. But things didn't end there for Pittsburgh, as Jeff Hartings would replace Dawson similarly to the way Jeff Garcia followed Young. From '01 to '06, Hartings continued the Steelers tradition of excellence at the position: he was named to two Pro Bowls and two Associated Press All-Pro teams. But today, we're going to focus on Dawson, and his fantastic accomplishments during his twelve seasons in Pittsburgh.

Dawson is one of only two offensive line candidates this year. Earlier this month I profiled Russ Grimm, but ultimately decided his career lacked both the quantity and sustained quality to make the Hall. Dawson suffers from no such problems. He made seven Pro Bowls and was a six-time Associated Press first-team All-Pro. Perhaps even more impressive, he was a unanimous first-team All-Pro for five straight seasons, as the AP, the Sporting News and the Pro Football Writers all decided that Dawson was the best center in the league.

Dawson's career AV grade is 83, which probably underrates how good he was. Dawson rarely played on good offenses, which tends to cap how much AV a player can earn. Twenty-nine of the 39 first-team All-Pro centers named by the Associated Press since the merger played on teams that finished in the top in the league in scoring. Dawson was the center named in four of those other ten occasions, and he played on by far the worst scoring team ('98 Steelers) of any AP first-team All-Pro center. While one could argue that the Steelers lack of offensive success is evidence that Dawson was overrated and was earning his accolades based on reputation, I think the more likely argument is that Dawson's AV score is underrated because he was snapping to Kordell Stewart and Mike Tomczak.

Since the merger, the only other player to make six consecutive first-team Associated Press All-Pro teams who has been passed over for induction is John Randle. And Randle seems likely to make the HOF, perhaps as soon as 2010. So why hasn't Dawson been selected? Some feel the Hall has more than enough Steelers, and the voters are more than content to vote down another one. Others think the Hall just doesn't care about interior linemen, and centers in particular. He's been a semifinalist in all five years since becoming eligible; last year was the first time Dawson made the cut and was named a finalist, so things may be trending his way. If Dawson makes the Hall, how would he compare to the other centers currently in the Hall?

Only six pure centers of the modern era are in the Hall of Fame, compared to 11 guards and 17 tackles. I've listed the HOF centers from the modern era, Dawson, and the four other centers with career AVs of over 80. Note that for Gatski, his AV score does not include his first four seasons. Gatski was also a two-way performer for the Browns. The "SS" column stands for seasons starting.
The table is difficult to format, but that and the conclusion of the article available here: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=5273. I also link to a great article by Austin Murphy about Dawson in a 1998 copy of Sports Illustrated for those who want to read about Dawson during his peak.
 
Hey Chase,

I often give you crap about Tasker, but that was a nice write up about him with some great links. Thanks.

 
Dawson deserves to be in. He didn't/won't campaign for it or pull a Harry Carson to whine about being overlooked. Dawson's a class act and gentleman. He did his talking in the trenches.

In 1989, with so little time in league, he was already outstanding. When the Steelers had their improbable playoff run and nearly upended the Broncos in Denver to get to the Super Bowl, back-up Chuck Lanza had to come in for a dinged-up Dawson on a potential game-winning drive late in the game. A poor snap to Brister and the Steelers were history. When you consider the Steelers had an offense then of Brister, Worley, Hoge, Lipps---none of whom are HOF caliber candidates---and a style so predictable that the Cleveland defense that season knew Pittsburgh's signal-calling and playbook as well as the Steeler players did (and that was the subject of much humor), Dawson demonstrated the strength and leadership to overcome the one-dimensional nature of the attack.

When you consider how committed to the run the Steelers were in the 90s, it didn't matter who the QBs or RBs were---O'Donnell, Foster, Tomczak, Leroy Thompson, Bam Morris, Kordell, Bettis, etc., nor did it make any difference who lined up to stop it. Dawson led a potent group upfront for a decade.

Obviously, no one will take my word for it. And they shouldn't. I'm a Pittsburgh fan. Of course, there will be remarks from the usual smarmy anti-Steeler contingent. But the defensive stars of that generation would attest to Dawson's performance if surveyed. This isn't about who from the 70s belonged or about Bettis. It's about the team's consistent offensive superstar from the decade Dawson played. He was to the offense what Rod Woodson was to the defense.

 
Dawson deserves to be in. He didn't/won't campaign for it or pull a Harry Carson to whine about being overlooked. Dawson's a class act and gentleman. He did his talking in the trenches.

In 1989, with so little time in league, he was already outstanding. When the Steelers had their improbable playoff run and nearly upended the Broncos in Denver to get to the Super Bowl, back-up Chuck Lanza had to come in for a dinged-up Dawson on a potential game-winning drive late in the game. A poor snap to Brister and the Steelers were history. When you consider the Steelers had an offense then of Brister, Worley, Hoge, Lipps---none of whom are HOF caliber candidates---and a style so predictable that the Cleveland defense that season knew Pittsburgh's signal-calling and playbook as well as the Steeler players did (and that was the subject of much humor), Dawson demonstrated the strength and leadership to overcome the one-dimensional nature of the attack.

When you consider how committed to the run the Steelers were in the 90s, it didn't matter who the QBs or RBs were---O'Donnell, Foster, Tomczak, Leroy Thompson, Bam Morris, Kordell, Bettis, etc., nor did it make any difference who lined up to stop it. Dawson led a potent group upfront for a decade.

Obviously, no one will take my word for it. And they shouldn't. I'm a Pittsburgh fan. Of course, there will be remarks from the usual smarmy anti-Steeler contingent. But the defensive stars of that generation would attest to Dawson's performance if surveyed. This isn't about who from the 70s belonged or about Bettis. It's about the team's consistent offensive superstar from the decade Dawson played. He was to the offense what Rod Woodson was to the defense.
Obviously I agree that Dawon should be in but I doubt he'll make it. I do take exception on Louis Lipps, however. Lipps was an outstanding receiver paired with some of the worst QBs in Steelers history. Had he been on the team in the 70s or 00s he would have been every bit as good as Swann, Stallworth and Ward.
 
In the other thread, I said the HOF is for the best of the best, citing Emmitt and Rice. Is DD of that calibre? IMO, he's awfully close! :thumbup:

 
Godsbrother, no knock at Lipps intended. Just a poor characterization on my part. I was at the Tampa game in '89 (which was inordinately cold for Florida that December afternoon) when Lipps took a short pass and went 80 yds for a TD in a must-win situation. The guy was also dependable returning kicks and productive even when there was no complementary receiver to take the double-coverages off him. I was just trying to say he wasn't HOF caliber despite his considerable skills and you can lay the blame on Mark Malone and company. Had Lipps been a receiver for Boomer Esiason or Phil Simms or just about any good-to-excellent QB of that era, he'd have been great.

 
The only reason he isn't is that the HOF is biased against interior lineman. He is possibly the best center of all time. He was clearly the best of his era.

 
The only reason he isn't is that the HOF is biased against interior lineman. He is possibly the best center of all time. He was clearly the best of his era.
:thumbup: Just a great player. Loved watching him pull on some plays. A center, pulling! Wow. I had never seen anything like it at the time. I am surprised he is not already in.
 

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