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Derrick Burgess traded to New England (1 Viewer)
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Mr. Fusion
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As a Bills fan, I just 
Thanks for the info.
Thanks for the info.
Casting Couch
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Patriots acquire DE Derrick Burgess from Oakland
The New England Patriots acquired DE Derrick Burgess in a trade with Oakland for undisclosed draft considerations today. Additionally, the Patriots released OL Al Johnson today.
FOXBOROUGH, Mass. - The New England Patriots acquired DE Derrick Burgess in a trade with Oakland for undisclosed draft considerations today. Additionally, the Patriots released OL Al Johnson today.
Burgess, 6-2, 260 pounds, is a veteran of eight NFL seasons with the Philadelphia Eagles (2001-2004) and the Oakland Raiders (2005-2008). Burgess originally joined the NFL as a third-round draft pick by Philadelphia (63rd overall) out of Mississippi in 2001. He has accumulated 227 total tackles, 47 sacks during his career.
After a four-year career in Philadelphia, Burgess joined Oakland as an unrestricted free agent in 2005 and earned Pro Bowl honors in his first two seasons with the Raiders, registering 16 sacks in 2005 and 11 sacks in 2006. His 16 sacks in 2005 led the NFL and set an Oakland team record for most sacks in a season.
Johnson, 6-5, 305 pounds, was originally signed by the Patriots on March 16, 2009. He is a veteran of six NFL seasons with the Dallas Cowboys (2003-06), Arizona Cardinals (2007) and Miami Dolphins (2008). Johnson was originally selected by the Cowboys in the second round (38th overall) of the 2003 NFL Draft out of Wisconsin. Johnson was signed by the Cardinals as an unrestricted free agent on March 5, 2007. Last season, Johnson was placed on injured reserve by the Cardinals with a knee injury and was released from injured reserve on Oct. 21, 2008. He was signed by the Dolphins as a free agent on Nov. 29, 2008 and played in four games for Miami last season, seeing reserve action at both guard and center.
The New England Patriots acquired DE Derrick Burgess in a trade with Oakland for undisclosed draft considerations today. Additionally, the Patriots released OL Al Johnson today.
FOXBOROUGH, Mass. - The New England Patriots acquired DE Derrick Burgess in a trade with Oakland for undisclosed draft considerations today. Additionally, the Patriots released OL Al Johnson today.
Burgess, 6-2, 260 pounds, is a veteran of eight NFL seasons with the Philadelphia Eagles (2001-2004) and the Oakland Raiders (2005-2008). Burgess originally joined the NFL as a third-round draft pick by Philadelphia (63rd overall) out of Mississippi in 2001. He has accumulated 227 total tackles, 47 sacks during his career.
After a four-year career in Philadelphia, Burgess joined Oakland as an unrestricted free agent in 2005 and earned Pro Bowl honors in his first two seasons with the Raiders, registering 16 sacks in 2005 and 11 sacks in 2006. His 16 sacks in 2005 led the NFL and set an Oakland team record for most sacks in a season.
Johnson, 6-5, 305 pounds, was originally signed by the Patriots on March 16, 2009. He is a veteran of six NFL seasons with the Dallas Cowboys (2003-06), Arizona Cardinals (2007) and Miami Dolphins (2008). Johnson was originally selected by the Cowboys in the second round (38th overall) of the 2003 NFL Draft out of Wisconsin. Johnson was signed by the Cardinals as an unrestricted free agent on March 5, 2007. Last season, Johnson was placed on injured reserve by the Cardinals with a knee injury and was released from injured reserve on Oct. 21, 2008. He was signed by the Dolphins as a free agent on Nov. 29, 2008 and played in four games for Miami last season, seeing reserve action at both guard and center.
massraider
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Schefter saying 3rd and 4th.
Someone else saying 3rd and 5th in 2011.
Someone else saying 3rd and 5th in 2011.
I'm surprised by this move. Hmmmm....
massraider
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Burgess to Pats
The Raiders traded two-time Pro Bowl defensive end Derrick Burgess to the Patriots for an undisclosed conditional draft pick, the Patriots announced on their website moments ago.
Burgess refused to report to training camp last week because he wanted out of Oakland in his contract year. Wish granted after nine days.
He'll join former teammates Randy Moss and Andrew Walter, who also ended up in New England after getting out of Oakland.
UPDATE: Former Raiders executive Michael Lombardi, who writes for the National Football Post, just reported the Raiders got a third-round pick in 2010 and fifth-round pick in 2011.
Cable has refused to discuss Burgess' holdout from Day 1. Burgess was replaced immediately by Cowboys veteran Greg Ellis at left defensive end.
Last season, Burgess had just 3.5 sacks and missed a chunk of time to injury. His biggest years came when he firts came over as a free agent from Philadelphia, when he had an NFL-high 16 sacks in 2005.
Burgess had another 11 in 2006.
Posted By: David White (Email) | August 06 2009 at 03:07 PM
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/raider...e#ixzz0NLnuQHNe
The Raiders traded two-time Pro Bowl defensive end Derrick Burgess to the Patriots for an undisclosed conditional draft pick, the Patriots announced on their website moments ago.
Burgess refused to report to training camp last week because he wanted out of Oakland in his contract year. Wish granted after nine days.
He'll join former teammates Randy Moss and Andrew Walter, who also ended up in New England after getting out of Oakland.
UPDATE: Former Raiders executive Michael Lombardi, who writes for the National Football Post, just reported the Raiders got a third-round pick in 2010 and fifth-round pick in 2011.
Cable has refused to discuss Burgess' holdout from Day 1. Burgess was replaced immediately by Cowboys veteran Greg Ellis at left defensive end.
Last season, Burgess had just 3.5 sacks and missed a chunk of time to injury. His biggest years came when he firts came over as a free agent from Philadelphia, when he had an NFL-high 16 sacks in 2005.
Burgess had another 11 in 2006.
Posted By: David White (Email) | August 06 2009 at 03:07 PM
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/raider...e#ixzz0NLnuQHNe
Casting Couch
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Burgess to New England has been rumoured for quite a while, unless your post is strictly
massraider
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Schefter:
I'm told Raiders got more than a third- and fourth-round pick, though nothing confirmed yet. Remember, Pats were scheduled to have 3 2's.
I'm told Raiders got more than a third- and fourth-round pick, though nothing confirmed yet. Remember, Pats were scheduled to have 3 2's.
massraider
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When you make as many sweet trade downs as the Pats, still get good players, and have a bunch of extra picks, you can overpay slightly for a player. And Burgess is one of the top pass rushers from the left side of the defense in the NFL. He will help them. And really, with a vet team, going for the Super Bowl, what's a 3rd and 4th or 5th?? Small potatos.
massraider
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Exactly.Is an injury-prone 30 year old in the last year of his deal worth a 3rd and 5th? Not to everyone, but if he can help them win another title, it's cab fare.
PlasmaDogPlasma
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Are the Pats going to be a 4-3 team now, make Burgess an OLB or just use him on passing downs?
From an IDP perspective Greg Ellis is and interesting late-round prospect. He did pretty well last time he was a 4-3 end.
From an IDP perspective Greg Ellis is and interesting late-round prospect. He did pretty well last time he was a 4-3 end.
massraider
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He's not 33. he'll be 31 next week.
I think the rumored price is pretty high - for a backup DE.Burgess to New England has been rumoured for quite a while, unless your post is strictly
Adebisi
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The Patriots play both the 3-4 and the 4-3 anyway, but I've heard they're showing more 4-3 looks this year than they have in years past.
tombonneau
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As another poster alluded to, if you're talking about a trade to the Lions or Bucs, yeah maybe the price is too steep. But if he is the missing piece for a team that goes on to win the Super Bowl (even for just one year) it's worth it.I think the rumored price is pretty high - for a backup DE.Burgess to New England has been rumoured for quite a while, unless your post is strictly
massraider
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He's a backup DE? Since when?I think the rumored price is pretty high - for a backup DE.Burgess to New England has been rumoured for quite a while, unless your post is strictly
massraider
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Burgess update: both picks are 2010, not fifth in 2011, per Ian Rapoprt of Boston Herald4 minutes ago from mobile web
tombonneau
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He'll def. play 3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE (they'll run a lot more 4-3 if TC thus far is any barometer). McKenzie projects to a pure 3-4 ILB, so while losing him sucks, doesn't impact OLB depth (which was admittedly thin regardless).
Casting Couch
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This makes sense as the Pats are loaded down with picks in 2010.
massraider
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He's a pass rusher. And more comfortable coming over the right tackle, which is rare. The Pats aren't trading for him to be a 3-4 OLB. They are trading for him to get pressure.Burgess only had 3.5 sacks last year, and he misses time, but he gets pressure. A lot of time, he gets pressure, but because he is coming from the left, most QBs (right-handed) can see him coming. He forces a lot of quick throws, a lot of dump-offs. A good pick up for them. People are talking about it as a steal for Oakland, but really, how often can you acquire vet pass rushers for a 3rd and a 4th (or 5th)?He's gonna help them.
Boston
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Very important move by the Pats. Their biggest exposure (by far) was their pass rush. While their secondary was weak in 2008 their pass rush was worse. They simply could not get to the QB when they had to and this was very apparent in their third down defense (or lack thereof). After losing Vrabel and not addressing it in either free agency or the draft something had to give. To have such a quality offseason and not address such a blatant weakness would have been a shame. If Burgess and a healthy Adaluis Thomas (contributions by Woods and Crable wouldn't hurt either) can provide pressure from the outside it will go a very long ways towards helping the Pats compete for a title.
Routilla
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Do they have the LBs to pull off an effective 3-4?
baconisgood
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Was his holdout with the Raiders a demand to be traded or just wanting more money?
Boston
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On the line they look real good on paper with Wilfork, Warren, Seymour, Green, Wright, Brace and a few other draft picks. They're also talking with Kevin Carter. AT ILB they have Mayo, Bruschi, Guyton and Lenon (they had high hopes for McKenzie but he's on IR...Eric Alexander is still there but he's a special teamer). Mayo's a stud, Bruschi can help but is fading and more suited to be a role player, Guyton looked good last year but is still somewhat unknown and Lenon is still learning the Patriot D (I've heard he's looked a little lost) so you don't know what you have there. If Guyton produces this unit can be pretty good but the upside is limited and an injury to Mayo would be devastating. OLB has Thomas who's a good player (although not as good as hoped when he signed), Burgess who's probably going to be used situationally and than a lot of question marks. It appears that they're hoping Pierre Woods can make a leap this year. I've heard he looks good but he's been around for awhile and really needs to prove he can handle an expanded role. Crable's very intriguing but his next game will be his first. Banta-Cain knows the D but is a backup. They also addded the kid who was cut from the Saints but what he brings to the table is a question mark. OLB really needs either Crable or Woods to step up to become a strength. An injury to Thomas would really be difficult for this unit to overcome.While the Pats on paper look better suited to run a 4-3 I'll believe BB will go to that when I see it. This is about the third or fourth year in a row that many think they're going to switch but they never do. BB uses the 3-4 as his base. He will use some 4-3 but he's never used that as his bread and butter. At the end of the day he's simply a 3-4 guy. Overall the key will be a healthy Thomas and Mayo and Burgess being able to apply pressure. If those three things happen than this unit will be fine (if either Woods or Crable blossom that would be a huge addition as well). It won't be anything like the Steelers have obviously but it will get the job done and with an improved secondary the Pats D should be much better in 2009. On the flipside injuries to Mayo and/or Thomas and Burgess, Woods and Crable not applying pressure could really limit this D and expose them to quality passing attacks.Routilla said:
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Kool-Aid Larry
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I think he's been trying to get a new deal for a couple years, but once Ellis was signed he really needed to get out of there and try to put up numbers for his next deal.
massraider
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Burgess was very quiet, and was quietly unhappy the last two years, heck, maybe three.Basically, when he was a free agent with Philly, he had injury questions, and a short resume, just one really good game against Vick and the Falcons. After his first year with Oakland, it was apparent he was a bargain. He had no leverage. The Raiders never renegotiated his deal, and he missed enough games to really never demand too much. His numbers have been steadily declining, both because of missed games, and, frankly, the Raiders inability to put the other offense in 2nd or 3rd and long. He hasn't attended anything that wasn't mandatory in years. I do give him credit, tho. Burgess never went public. Were there games he missed that he could have played? I have no idea, and I wouldn't accuse him of dogging it, but I also won't be shocked if he plays more games for the Pats this season than he has in two years in Oakland.
EDIT: I just realized I never fully answered your question. For the last two years, it was money. This year, I think he just wanted out because he never got it. It will be interesting to see if the pats sign him to a deal. My guess, he'll be happy to play for the pats this year, more chances to look good before his FA year.
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David Yudkin
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I'm hearing that this year more than ever the Pats will rotate personnel and will play exotic defensive formations. By that I mean they could have:2 DL, 5 LB, 4 DB2 DL, 3 LB, 6 DB3 DL, 3 LB, 5 DB5 DL, 4 LB, 2 DBEtc., etc, etc.They will certainly use a lot of 3-4 ot 4-3, but these other packages will be used and specialists inserted to mess with opponents and rotated with more standard sets.Routilla said:
massraider
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Mike Reiss just Tweeted:
Trade terms: 2010 3rd round pick and 2010 4th round pick. If Pats acquire a 5th round pick in 2010, that goes to Oakland instead of the 4th.
So, a 3rd and 5th seems most likely.
Trade terms: 2010 3rd round pick and 2010 4th round pick. If Pats acquire a 5th round pick in 2010, that goes to Oakland instead of the 4th.
So, a 3rd and 5th seems most likely.
Mr. Peterson
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Ever since Trevor Scott made him a back up.massraider said:He's a backup DE? Since when?Mark Wimer said:I think the rumored price is pretty high - for a backup DE.Casting Couch said:Burgess to New England has been rumoured for quite a while, unless your post is strictlyMark Wimer said:
baconisgood
Footballguy
I don't see anyway the Pats send a 4th then- wouldn't they be better off sending their 4th to someone else for a 5th rounder + some small value piece? seems like a weird stipulation.
massraider
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Burgess=LEScott=REEver since Trevor Scott made him a back up.massraider said:He's a backup DE? Since when?Mark Wimer said:I think the rumored price is pretty high - for a backup DE.Casting Couch said:Burgess to New England has been rumoured for quite a while, unless your post is strictlyMark Wimer said:
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Mr. Peterson
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Burgess was a backup to both Scott and Ellis. If you don't want to take my word for it you can just take Mr. Bramel's:
My point was that with Scott stepping up it made it easy to see that Burgess was gonna be nothing more than a back up and easy to get rid of.
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massraider
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I deleted the snotty line, sorry about that.They signed Ellis, maybe cause they knew how things were going with Burgess. but the guy is a quality starter, and he and Trevor Scott have little to do with each other. That's all I meant.
Mr. Peterson
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That's cool. I know Burgess can still be a productive starter in the league given the right situation. I don't know much about the Raiders and thier D. I only follow Scott a bit because he came from the University at Buffalo which is in my back yard. I like the guys attitude and circumstance. He came to UB to play TE and was switched to DE after his sophmore year which he was a back up at the TE position. Pretty cool story if anyone wants to look more into it.
PatsWillWin
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I'll take it. We need serious pash rush help.
Not sure why anyone thinks this is a bad trade for either side. First of all, a 3rd and 5th next year are not even remotely guaranteed to make the Pats. They had 12 draft picks this year and 1 1st and 3 2nds next year.
Like rookies before we ever see them play, I think draft picks are definitely overrated in discussions here. I think there are times (Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones) where teams throw way too high picks away, but when you start to get to the 3rd round+, I would bet 75%+ aren't even playing in the NFL within 2 years let alone being significant contributors. People always throw out Tom Brady, Terrell Davis, Willie Parker, Priest Holmes..., but there were another 30 guys in their draft rounds that never amounted to anything but a backup or special teams guy.
Anyway, if it was a Pats need, I see no reason for them not to deal when they already have a wealth of quality picks in 2010, so much so that the 3rd and 5th already had one foot out the training camp door before getting there. The Raiders got some picks for an aging player that didn't want to be there.
Like rookies before we ever see them play, I think draft picks are definitely overrated in discussions here. I think there are times (Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones) where teams throw way too high picks away, but when you start to get to the 3rd round+, I would bet 75%+ aren't even playing in the NFL within 2 years let alone being significant contributors. People always throw out Tom Brady, Terrell Davis, Willie Parker, Priest Holmes..., but there were another 30 guys in their draft rounds that never amounted to anything but a backup or special teams guy.
Anyway, if it was a Pats need, I see no reason for them not to deal when they already have a wealth of quality picks in 2010, so much so that the 3rd and 5th already had one foot out the training camp door before getting there. The Raiders got some picks for an aging player that didn't want to be there.
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David Yudkin
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The Pats generally don't have a lot of room to roster all their draft picks in the first place, so parting with a 3 and 5 (or even 3 and 4) won't hurt them much. I was surprised they used as many piks as they did this year.
That being said, they gave up more for Burgess than they did for Randy Moss.
That being said, they gave up more for Burgess than they did for Randy Moss.
They had a bunch of FA compensation picks, which cannot be traded. Also, they stole Moss, plain and simple, but no one else seemed willing to part with more for him so who knows. I think Moss at that point is similar to Matt Jones/Michael Vick this year (not in ability, just market wise) and when players get marked like that, their value is way lower than what it really is football wise.Funny thing is that if Moss went somewhere else, maybe he doesn't do as well. He sucked in Oakland, so not far fetched that he would have continued at that level if he didn't go to the Pats. I think he got lucky going to a team with a solid QB/coach.
JohnnyU
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The only reason he sucked in Oakland is because he chose to suck in Oakland. I'll never forget that shot on MNF with him lying down on the bench. Yes, he mailed it in, and that was very clear.
I agree, hence the comparison to Matt Jones/Vick. It isn't possible that Matt Jones is worse than every WR currently rostered in the NFL, but his personal issues have put him there. Moss could have mailed it in on the next team as well and I am sure Al Davis wanted him gone, hence Moss' low market value.ETA: Just in case, I wasn't trying to say that Brady and Belichik made Moss, just that having those two there helped ensure that Moss didn't mail it in.
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switz
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It will be great of their DL, whether he plays in a rotation or as a full time starter. Their defense IMO has been a weakness as far as talent goes, it's smart of them to add players that will bolster their pass rush, and strengthen the D. Good move, even if they paid a little more than they probably should have. If it raises the level of the D to take them back to the SuperBowl, I doubt anyone will think they paid too much.I am impressed to see how things are going with Pioli gone.
Rabbid Patriot Homer
Footballguy
They actually might improve on 2007's regular season record.
Routilla
Footballguy
Agreed. He really boned Al Davis for cash.
