DeSean Jackson (1 Viewer)

[Gettin' Ziggy Wilf It]

Is he able to keep up this pace consistently? He of course had one goose egg vs Tampa Bay, but has otherwise been quite reliable. Two solid games vs Carolina and Oakland, two good games vs New Orleans and NY Giants and two huge games vs Kansas City and Washington. The amount of touches he has actually gotten per game is so low that I have to wonder how many more zeros we're going to get. But despite being a big play WR, he has managed to do it so consistently. Part of me wants to hold on to him, because the big games can be so good. But I'm almost more tempted to try and trade him while he's hot for someone getting more touches, because 2-3 catches a game can turn into 0-1 real easy, especially with a week 16 vs Denver.

Are people riding this hot hand out?

 

[None_More_Black]

Is he able to keep up this pace consistently? He of course had one goose egg vs Tampa Bay, but has otherwise been quite reliable. Two solid games vs Carolina and Oakland, two good games vs New Orleans and NY Giants and two huge games vs Kansas City and Washington. The amount of touches he has actually gotten per game is so low that I have to wonder how many more zeros we're going to get. But despite being a big play WR, he has managed to do it so consistently. Part of me wants to hold on to him, because the big games can be so good. But I'm almost more tempted to try and trade him while he's hot for someone getting more touches, because 2-3 catches a game can turn into 0-1 real easy, especially with a week 16 vs Denver. Are people riding this hot hand out?

Outside of dynasty, who the hell would you want to trade him for? Dude is capable of a huge week, every week.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

Action Jackson.

 

[Penguin]

Really like D.Jax but I'm in love with his cousin Vinny

 

[SSOG]

Was discussing a trade in a keeper league that would involve trading Desean Jackson for Reggie Wayne. On the one hand, Wayne is having a career year and he keeps for a 6th while Jackson keeps for a 3rd. On the other, the league is yardage heavy and counts punt returns the same as receptions, which gives Desean another 219 yards, which when combined with his receiving and rushing yardage means he's on pace for a 1900 yard season. In the end, I respectfully declined. He's the top WR in this scoring system, and I don't know who I'd move him for, if anyone.

Edit:

Really like D.Jax but I'm in love with his cousin Vinny

The Vincent Jackson lovefest is currently in progress right here.

 

[otis68]

Is he able to keep up this pace consistently? He of course had one goose egg vs Tampa Bay, but has otherwise been quite reliable. Two solid games vs Carolina and Oakland, two good games vs New Orleans and NY Giants and two huge games vs Kansas City and Washington. The amount of touches he has actually gotten per game is so low that I have to wonder how many more zeros we're going to get. But despite being a big play WR, he has managed to do it so consistently. Part of me wants to hold on to him, because the big games can be so good. But I'm almost more tempted to try and trade him while he's hot for someone getting more touches, because 2-3 catches a game can turn into 0-1 real easy, especially with a week 16 vs Denver. Are people riding this hot hand out?

Outside of dynasty, who the hell would you want to trade him for? Dude is capable of a huge week, every week.

In a redraft? In a heartbeat, I'd trade him and RB2 value for Fitz, AJ, Colston, Wayne and Ocho (indeed, I've shopped him and lynch for each of these guys). Straight up, I'd probably rather have Vincent Jackson, Moss or Welker. I've got him, he's been great so far, but the low number of targets/touches are a huge concern. Give me a big target with lots of targets and a good QB (or Wayne or Welker) over the speed demon.

 

[habsfan]

For me the question of consistency has less to do with the individual WR and more your overall roster/line-up composition. He tends to be a home run threat and if you have steadier players to balance him off with, you mitigate that inconsistency. I would not want to be starting three "DeSeans" every week though.

 

[gonzobill5]

For me the question of consistency has less to do with the individual WR and more your overall roster/line-up composition. He tends to be a home run threat and if you have steadier players to balance him off with, you mitigate that inconsistency. I would not want to be starting three "DeSeans" every week though.

This post got me thinking, wouldn't it be BETTER to pair inconsistency with more inconsistency? If you could start 3 "DeSeans" wouldn't that give you a good chance of at least 1 or 2 of them blowing up?

 

[5-ish Finkle]

This post got me thinking, wouldn't it be BETTER to pair inconsistency with more inconsistency? If you could start 3 "DeSeans" wouldn't that give you a good chance of at least 1 or 2 of them blowing up?

Playing The Devil's Advocate, it'd also give you a good chance of all three of them putting up a 1 for 19 kind of day at the same time.I own DeSean in a few leagues and he's been nothing but awesome to have in the lineup outside of that one week.....that said, Desean's low # of targets, and apparently finicky hamstrings, bother me just enough to admit that if I thought I could move him for, say, a Vince Jackson I'd do it.

 

[habsfan]

For me the question of consistency has less to do with the individual WR and more your overall roster/line-up composition. He tends to be a home run threat and if you have steadier players to balance him off with, you mitigate that inconsistency. I would not want to be starting three "DeSeans" every week though.

This post got me thinking, wouldn't it be BETTER to pair inconsistency with more inconsistency? If you could start 3 "DeSeans" wouldn't that give you a good chance of at least 1 or 2 of them blowing up?

Interestingly, that seems to be what the Eagles are doing (or at least getting to an extent with Maclin and Celek). Someone is tremendous almost every week.I play in PPR and tend to be conservative so I want that "possession" guy in there to give me the higher catch/lower yardage element. Then I will let a DeSean type "swing for the fences"...

 

[MDPapi]

For me the question of consistency has less to do with the individual WR and more your overall roster/line-up composition. He tends to be a home run threat and if you have steadier players to balance him off with, you mitigate that inconsistency. I would not want to be starting three "DeSeans" every week though.

The value of consistency also depends on your scoring rules and whether it's a redraft/keeper/dynasty league. My league scores points for return yards and TDs, and gives more points for longer TDs. That makes it worth taking a chance on guys like Desean, particularly, as another poster said above, if you have a few potential HR threats on your team. I have for years gone after consistent scorers. It has made me competitive every year in two different leagues with similar rules. I am always in the hunt for regular season points champion, but I tend to get whacked late in the season or in the playoffs by THAT team every year that has a few guys going off. This year, I have changed my tune and mostly gone after guys who have the potential to blow up. It's a keeper league with IDPs, so I started assembling the team through trades last year. So far, so good at 6-2. We'll see how it turns out.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

For me the question of consistency has less to do with the individual WR and more your overall roster/line-up composition. He tends to be a home run threat and if you have steadier players to balance him off with, you mitigate that inconsistency. I would not want to be starting three "DeSeans" every week though.

This post got me thinking, wouldn't it be BETTER to pair inconsistency with more inconsistency? If you could start 3 "DeSeans" wouldn't that give you a good chance of at least 1 or 2 of them blowing up?

Interestingly, that seems to be what the Eagles are doing (or at least getting to an extent with Maclin and Celek). Someone is tremendous almost every week.I play in PPR and tend to be conservative so I want that "possession" guy in there to give me the higher catch/lower yardage element. Then I will let a DeSean type "swing for the fences"...

He's best used as a third starter, much like Santana Moss (during good years at least). Your top two guys are your reliable bread and butter, and then you let your third guy go off when he can.

 

[Tau837]

Prior to week 4, with Jackson coming off two straight strong games, I traded Desean Jackson and Santonio Holmes for Vincent Jackson and Mike Sims-Walker. I viewed it as selling high on Jackson and upgrading my team at both spots.

 

[Demian]

Just by the eyeball test I think Desean and Vincent are the two best deep threats in the game right now.

 

[Garts]

Desean is the Chris Johnson of WR's....all about big plays.

 

[Johnny Ice]

It seems like he's due to come back down to earth but it's not by chance he's doing this kind of damage. The kid is for real and DBs can't stick with this guy.

 

[strong]

i like desean a lot, but i think dynasty owners shouldn't hesitate to trade him right now--the guy is a straight up bonehead and more often than not, boneheaded superstars regress back to the pack pretty quickly. i'll be surprised if he's elite for very long...

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

I will start off saying i was very skeptical myself on him. But check the numbers.

VJax is considered a MORE consistent wr and some even knock Djax's targets thus far.

But VJax has 57 targets 664yds 5td's.

DJax has 50 targets plus 7 rushes for 616yds and 5td's.

He does seem more of a EXPLOSIVE bigplay wr to me and not so much a possesion guy, but i think he is a special wr within his skillset.

I do think it will be the norm for him to make big plays routinely as it does seem no one can match his quickness and speed, and the Eagles

know it and will look to get a few bombs his way every game.

In dynasty he is only 22yrs old. And has some room to grow and is on a very passing friendly team. But i will agree with others as well on him,

I wouldnt prefer for him to be my #1, but he makes a very good #2 and awesome #3.

(btw he is my #3/4 on my dynasty team R.Moss/VJax/Roddy/DJax)

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

Currently 4th in my non PPR league among WRs.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Just by the eyeball test I think Desean and Vincent are the two best deep threats in the game right now.

Ding ding ding! The OP should sit down and watch some Eagles games and see Jackson do what he does.

 

[dansav]

traded santana moss for desean jackson 3 weeks ago.. Couldnt be happier

 

[scrumptrulescent]

traded desean jackson for santana moss 3 weeks ago.. Couldnt be happier

ETA: Your post prior to editing was jaw-dropping, your update (which just beat my post) was

 

[EdwardCat]

traded santana moss for desean jackson 3 weeks ago.. Couldnt be happier

You must have just edited this as I was responding. Your previous trade statement would put you in contention for worst trade move of the year.

 

[Garts]

I like owning guys like Desean Jackson...it's nice to own players that are fun to watch as well as good.

 

[travdogg]

i like desean a lot, but i think dynasty owners shouldn't hesitate to trade him right now--the guy is a straight up bonehead and more often than not, boneheaded superstars regress back to the pack pretty quickly. i'll be surprised if he's elite for very long...

I'm not sure where you are getting the bone headed idea. The guy dropped the ball early his rookie year, that's all I've ever seen from him as far as that goes. I do see a guy who is very cocky, but I don't see why that is a negative. He's not an off field risk. He's not Brandon Marshall, he's more like a guy like Chad Johnson in that he's just having fun. Like the somersault into the splits earlier this year. Personally, I don't think he's even scratched the surface of what he's capable of. I think he's very capable of being an 80-catch WR, he's just not being used that way right now. He also may be the most explosive WR in the NFL right now. Whoever said he was the Chris Johnson of the WR position is dead on. Dynasty wise, let's not forget that he's only 22. Also there was an earlier post about having him opposite a consistent WR. I have Jackson opposite Wayne this year and I can attest that its been very nice. If Jackson blows up, I have an advantage of every other team in my league at the position, if he busts, I'm still not really in bad shape.

 

[Gettin' Ziggy Wilf It]

i like desean a lot, but i think dynasty owners shouldn't hesitate to trade him right now--the guy is a straight up bonehead and more often than not, boneheaded superstars regress back to the pack pretty quickly. i'll be surprised if he's elite for very long...

I'm not sure where you are getting the bone headed idea. The guy dropped the ball early his rookie year, that's all I've ever seen from him as far as that goes. I do see a guy who is very cocky, but I don't see why that is a negative. He's not an off field risk. He's not Brandon Marshall, he's more like a guy like Chad Johnson in that he's just having fun. Like the somersault into the splits earlier this year. Personally, I don't think he's even scratched the surface of what he's capable of. I think he's very capable of being an 80-catch WR, he's just not being used that way right now. He also may be the most explosive WR in the NFL right now. Whoever said he was the Chris Johnson of the WR position is dead on. Dynasty wise, let's not forget that he's only 22.

Also there was an earlier post about having him opposite a consistent WR. I have Jackson opposite Wayne this year and I can attest that its been very nice. If Jackson blows up, I have an advantage of every other team in my league at the position, if he busts, I'm still not really in bad shape.

Yeah that has been part of my success, I have Welker also who I can count on to put up points every game, but Sims Walker it seems I cannot count on him. I guess looking through it I'm not sure there is anyone I would even want to trade for. My first thought was Wayne, but not exactly buying low on that.Unfortunately I have only seen a parts of Eagle's games so I haven't been able to see how he plays throughout the whole game. Having only 2-3 catches a week just worries me a bit.

 

[delusional]

teams were kinda doubling him up and leaning coverage to his side but with maclin and celek coming on strong, its going to be hard for teams to do that...djax will get his 10 a week

 

[EdwardCat]

So it is now entering week 10. Please explain this to me (per fanball):

DeSean Jackson : Eagles to get ball to Jackson

11/11/2009 09:23 AM

THE NEWS

The News Journal is reporting that the Eagles will focus on getting the ball in the hands of dynamic playmaker DeSean Jackson this week. Jackson caught only two balls for 29 yards in last week's loss to the Cowboys.

OUR VIEW

Jackson has been all-or-nothing this season, but fantasy owners can't complain. He has proved to be one of the most exciting players in the league, so look for a major bounce-back performance this week against the Chargers.

Why on EARTH would a team come out in week 10 and say something like this about their best playmaker? Why wouldn't this be the game plan all year?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

He just got traded in a league for Ryan Grant.

I'd say the DJax owner, RB/WR depth or not, got robbed.

 

[sdsjr3]

In my PPR league he's been very up and down for me. But I find it hard to let him go in trade. When he goes off, he REALLY goes off.

 

[replacements]

I have him in a ppr dynasty league. I just can't see letting him go. Not to say he is untradeable by any means, but he is so talented and so young. Just think about what he could do any given season as the focal point of the offense. IF he actually recieved 8-10 targets per game for a season. He could easily lead the league at the wr position. I don't know if that will happen in this offense, but I'm willing to hold him for a couple years, enjoy his production and see if he becomes great.

 

[gonzobill5]

This post got me thinking, wouldn't it be BETTER to pair inconsistency with more inconsistency? If you could start 3 "DeSeans" wouldn't that give you a good chance of at least 1 or 2 of them blowing up?

Playing The Devil's Advocate, it'd also give you a good chance of all three of them putting up a 1 for 19 kind of day at the same time.

If you had three guys who had great games 50% of the time, and terrible games 50% of the time, the distribution of outcomes would be:12.5% of the time all three would be terrible87.5% of the time one (37.5%), two (37.5%), or all three (12.5%) would be great. Assuming one of the three blowing up equals out to a solid week, those odds are pretty good. -----Watching Jackson its becoming pretty clear that he will continue to be less effective against good teams that take away the deep ball and force him to go over the middle. Its easy to say that you want to see him develop the fearlessness of a guy like Steve Smith, but frankly he's probably best suited not to take those kinds of hits. While SS is small, he's a lot stronger. I've also been disappointed with McNabb's ability to get DeSean the ball in stride lately.

 

[footballsavvy]

Prior to week 4, with Jackson coming off two straight strong games, I traded Desean Jackson and Santonio Holmes for Vincent Jackson and Mike Sims-Walker. I viewed it as selling high on Jackson and upgrading my team at both spots.

Wow you raped someone. DeSean is one of the most overrated player in the league. I'm not saying he's bad, just very overrated.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Prior to week 4, with Jackson coming off two straight strong games, I traded Desean Jackson and Santonio Holmes for Vincent Jackson and Mike Sims-Walker. I viewed it as selling high on Jackson and upgrading my team at both spots.

Wow you raped someone. DeSean is one of the most overrated player in the league. I'm not saying he's bad, just very overrated.

Yes thats a great trade (especially in hindsight). VJax is a monster every week and obviously we all know what MSW can do. However, are you saying that Desean is overrated as a fantasy player or overrated in real life?

 

[strong]

i like desean a lot, but i think dynasty owners shouldn't hesitate to trade him right now--the guy is a straight up bonehead and more often than not, boneheaded superstars regress back to the pack pretty quickly. i'll be surprised if he's elite for very long...

I'm not sure where you are getting the bone headed idea. The guy dropped the ball early his rookie year, that's all I've ever seen from him as far as that goes. I do see a guy who is very cocky, but I don't see why that is a negative. He's not an off field risk. He's not Brandon Marshall, he's more like a guy like Chad Johnson in that he's just having fun. Like the somersault into the splits earlier this year. Personally, I don't think he's even scratched the surface of what he's capable of. I think he's very capable of being an 80-catch WR, he's just not being used that way right now. He also may be the most explosive WR in the NFL right now. Whoever said he was the Chris Johnson of the WR position is dead on. Dynasty wise, let's not forget that he's only 22.

Also there was an earlier post about having him opposite a consistent WR. I have Jackson opposite Wayne this year and I can attest that its been very nice. If Jackson blows up, I have an advantage of every other team in my league at the position, if he busts, I'm still not really in bad shape.

you're right, so far he hasn't had off-field problems. but he didn't just drop the ball once.

perhaps you missed this one, too, on national tv, nonetheless: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7hbzpZilJE

hopefully i'm wrong and desean continues to improve... he's great to watch.

but while he's clearly got the talent factor, plays like this make me think he doesn't have the it factor.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

i like desean a lot, but i think dynasty owners shouldn't hesitate to trade him right now--the guy is a straight up bonehead and more often than not, boneheaded superstars regress back to the pack pretty quickly. i'll be surprised if he's elite for very long...

I'm not sure where you are getting the bone headed idea. The guy dropped the ball early his rookie year, that's all I've ever seen from him as far as that goes. I do see a guy who is very cocky, but I don't see why that is a negative. He's not an off field risk. He's not Brandon Marshall, he's more like a guy like Chad Johnson in that he's just having fun. Like the somersault into the splits earlier this year. Personally, I don't think he's even scratched the surface of what he's capable of. I think he's very capable of being an 80-catch WR, he's just not being used that way right now. He also may be the most explosive WR in the NFL right now. Whoever said he was the Chris Johnson of the WR position is dead on. Dynasty wise, let's not forget that he's only 22.

Also there was an earlier post about having him opposite a consistent WR. I have Jackson opposite Wayne this year and I can attest that its been very nice. If Jackson blows up, I have an advantage of every other team in my league at the position, if he busts, I'm still not really in bad shape.

you're right, so far he hasn't had off-field problems. but he didn't just drop the ball once.

perhaps you missed this one, too, on national tv, nonetheless: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7hbzpZilJE

hopefully i'm wrong and desean continues to improve... he's great to watch.

but while he's clearly got the talent factor, plays like this make me think he doesn't have the it factor.

LOL. This is ridiculous. Guy concluded a great play with a stupid stunt and he gets labeled for not having 'it." And besides that, he's only 22 years old. I think he's got "it" many times over, whether as a kick or punt returner, or as a WR.

Philly WR corps is young and inexperienced. Once this squad gets two or three years together, it could be the best in the league. In two years, people will be wondering if they should start two WRs on the same team, Welker and Moss style. And if Kolb is the QB, all the better. McNabb is pretty inconsistent and disturbingly inaccurate.

 

[habsfan]

This post got me thinking, wouldn't it be BETTER to pair inconsistency with more inconsistency? If you could start 3 "DeSeans" wouldn't that give you a good chance of at least 1 or 2 of them blowing up?

Playing The Devil's Advocate, it'd also give you a good chance of all three of them putting up a 1 for 19 kind of day at the same time.

If you had three guys who had great games 50% of the time, and terrible games 50% of the time, the distribution of outcomes would be:12.5% of the time all three would be terrible

87.5% of the time one (37.5%), two (37.5%), or all three (12.5%) would be great.

Assuming one of the three blowing up equals out to a solid week, those odds are pretty good.

-----

Watching Jackson its becoming pretty clear that he will continue to be less effective against good teams that take away the deep ball and force him to go over the middle. Its easy to say that you want to see him develop the fearlessness of a guy like Steve Smith, but frankly he's probably best suited not to take those kinds of hits. While SS is small, he's a lot stronger.

I've also been disappointed with McNabb's ability to get DeSean the ball in stride lately.

As a DeSean owner, this is the troubling part for me. Intertwined with "good McNabb" you get stretches of "bad McNabb" and watching McNabb skip balls off the turf on Monday night, I get worried that any extended stretch of "bad McNabb" would affect DeSean the most.