DeSean Jackson (1 Viewer)

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Rookie season: 62 catches for 912 yards (14.7 ypc), 2 TDs, 121 targets, 17 rushes 96 yards with 1 TD

Year 2: 63 catches for 1167 yards, (18.5 ypc), 9 TD's, 118 targets, 11 rushes for 137 yards with 1 TD

Where does a guy like this rank as far as fantasy goes? He is coming off of a big year in fantasy, but what is his true value? It is so hard to make an accurate projection with this guy. Is he on the cusp of jumping into the elite ranks or is he overvalued due to his 9 recieving TD's and 1 rushing TD from this past year as well as his 18.5 yard per catch mark which is ridiculously high.

I really am struggling with what tier Jackson actually belongs in.

 

[gonzobill5]

I wish I had some answers for you. Instead, I have some more questions.

How does his value change if McNabb doesn't come back?

How does Maclin cut into his production?

Does his contract status a concern?

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I wish I had some answers for you. Instead, I have some more questions.How does his value change if McNabb doesn't come back?How does Maclin cut into his production?Does his contract status a concern?

I thought of including these into my post as well. I just don't know what to make of him.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I'm not sure what's not to like about this guy.

 

[CaptainHook]

last year is his absolute ceiling if mcnabb comes back. expect more like 1000 and 5 which is barely startable.

with kolb the sky is the limit

 

[SSOG]

I'm not sure what's not to like about this guy.

I could think of a couple things. The fact that his target numbers actually went down from his rookie year. The fact that he's coming off an historically awesome big-play season. The fact that there's uncertainty surrounding his QB situation. Not necessarily saying that I give those negatives much credence, but there are definitely things not to like if someone is looking for them.

 

[fruity pebbles]

He only played in 15 games this year vs 16 last year.

 

[slayer666]

I like Jackson but he will be drafted higher than I will take him.

In 2009, he posted three or fewer receptions seven times, and not sure the big plays are sustainable.

Philly receivers make me nervous.

 

[Eminence]

Rookie season: 62 catches for 912 yards (14.7 ypc), 2 TDs, 121 targets, 17 rushes 96 yards with 1 TD

Year 2: 63 catches for 1167 yards, (18.5 ypc), 9 TD's, 118 targets, 11 rushes for 137 yards with 1 TD

Where does a guy like this rank as far as fantasy goes? He is coming off of a big year in fantasy, but what is his true value? It is so hard to make an accurate projection with this guy. Is he on the cusp of jumping into the elite ranks or is he overvalued due to his 9 recieving TD's and 1 rushing TD from this past year as well as his 18.5 yard per catch mark which is ridiculously high.

I really am struggling with what tier Jackson actually belongs in.

What's there to struggle about? The guy produced HUGE with two different QBs at the helm. Has the ability to take it to the house every time he touches the ball. Is clearly IMPROVING year to year... What's that FF cliche again, something about 3rd Year receivers? With him returning Punts aswell, this guy can easily be a Top 5 WR. He only had 4 "bad" games all season long. Scratch that he had a Punt Return in one of those. Make that 3 "bad" games all season.

I only expect this kid to get better. Afraid of Maclin stealing targets? Jackson had that beastly year and only caught 63 passes.

He'll most likely never be a 100 catch player... but that's because he gets it done with less.

 

[FUBAR]

I'm not sure what's not to like about this guy.

only thing I can think of is it's entirely possible that he's not the best WR on his own team? Didn't seem to matter for some great 1/2 punches, but some will shy away from that.

 

[Garts]

I traded him thinking his value may never be higher. (traded Felix/Desean for Finley/Crabtree)

I might regret that though, but I think/hope I made the right decision.

He's kind of a wiry guy....Steve Smith is a comparable player but he had more bulk on his body, but he still got hurt quite a bit.

I like my dynasty receivers to be bigger....I dunno...JMO.

 

[Go deep]

I traded him thinking his value may never be higher. (traded Felix/Desean for Finley/Crabtree)

I might regret that though, but I think/hope I made the right decision.

He's kind of a wiry guy....Steve Smith is a comparable player but he had more bulk on his body, but he still got hurt quite a bit.

I like my dynasty receivers to be bigger....I dunno...JMO.

Steve Smith played 14 or more games in 8 of his 9 seasons. How many of the top 20 WR's are hitting that kind of %. Players being more injury prone due to being small is a myth. Fact is, bigger players get hurt more because they are usually involved in more contact. ETA, i hate to be the bearer of bad news, but its likely you are going to regret that trade sooner than later.

I will take Desean over Crabtree without a second thought. Its a little closer in PPR league, but DJ still gets the edge.

I know Finley is a younger, better Antonio Gates, but even if he is, i would still rather Felix Jones, even if it is 2 pt PPR for TE's.

 

[eefflrat]

I traded him thinking his value may never be higher. (traded Felix/Desean for Finley/Crabtree)I might regret that though, but I think/hope I made the right decision.He's kind of a wiry guy....Steve Smith is a comparable player but he had more bulk on his body, but he still got hurt quite a bit.I like my dynasty receivers to be bigger....I dunno...JMO.

if you traded him thinking his value would never be higher you just traded away the two best players in that deal. I think that's a bad trade and i don't need to know rosters or scoring for your league to know you made a bad trade there.JMO

 

[Phurfur]

His biggest problem is inconsistency.

 

[Phurfur]

I traded him thinking his value may never be higher. (traded Felix/Desean for Finley/Crabtree)

I might regret that though, but I think/hope I made the right decision.

He's kind of a wiry guy....Steve Smith is a comparable player but he had more bulk on his body, but he still got hurt quite a bit.

I like my dynasty receivers to be bigger....I dunno...JMO.

Steve Smith played 14 or more games in 8 of his 9 seasons. How many of the top 20 WR's are hitting that kind of %. Players being more injury prone due to being small is a myth. Fact is, bigger players get hurt more because they are usually involved in more contact. ETA, i hate to be the bearer of bad news, but its likely you are going to regret that trade sooner than later.

I will take Desean over Crabtree without a second thought. Its a little closer in PPR league, but DJ still gets the edge.

I know Finley is a younger, better Antonio Gates, but even if he is, i would still rather Felix Jones, even if it is 2 pt PPR for TE's.

I haven't looked it up but I think there are plenty of them.

 

[FUBAR]

I traded him thinking his value may never be higher. (traded Felix/Desean for Finley/Crabtree)I might regret that though, but I think/hope I made the right decision.He's kind of a wiry guy....Steve Smith is a comparable player but he had more bulk on his body, but he still got hurt quite a bit.I like my dynasty receivers to be bigger....I dunno...JMO.

if you traded him thinking his value would never be higher you just traded away the two best players in that deal. I think that's a bad trade and i don't need to know rosters or scoring for your league to know you made a bad trade there.JMO

It's pretty close IMO. I believe Crabtree will be about the same level as DeSean; Finley vs. Felix is a toss up for me.

 

[Da Guru]

I love Jacksons talent but I don`t see him repeating all of the long TDs from last season,

 

[Resident A]

I'd put him at WR22 or so. He'll certainly get drafted in the top-10 WRs by somebody who expects him to have 5 50+ yard TDs with no defenders within 20 yards again this year.

Think Santana Moss 2003. Coming off a season almost identical to DeSean's 2009 featuring lots of big plays, he rewarded the owners who drafted him as a WR1 with 45 rec, 836 yards, and 5 TDs.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I'd put him at WR22 or so. He'll certainly get drafted in the top-10 WRs by somebody who expects him to have 5 50+ yard TDs with no defenders within 20 yards again this year. Think Santana Moss 2003. Coming off a season almost identical to DeSean's 2009 featuring lots of big plays, he rewarded the owners who drafted him as a WR1 with 45 rec, 836 yards, and 5 TDs.

This is what scares me about Jackson. I obviously don't see him digressing back less than 60 catches, but I see him settling into a WR 2 in fantasy yet his expectations right now are that of a young Steve Smith (carolina). I am not sold on that just yet.

 

[zed2283]

I'd put him at WR22 or so. He'll certainly get drafted in the top-10 WRs by somebody who expects him to have 5 50+ yard TDs with no defenders within 20 yards again this year. Think Santana Moss 2003. Coming off a season almost identical to DeSean's 2009 featuring lots of big plays, he rewarded the owners who drafted him as a WR1 with 45 rec, 836 yards, and 5 TDs.

This is what scares me about Jackson. I obviously don't see him digressing back less than 60 catches, but I see him settling into a WR 2 in fantasy yet his expectations right now are that of a young Steve Smith (carolina). I am not sold on that just yet.

Well there you go. The only value you need to know is that he's overvalued. I grabbed him in an auction league last year and reaped the rewards, but don't figure I'll be willing to pay the price (auction or draft) to have him again next year.

 

[Garts]

I traded him thinking his value may never be higher. (traded Felix/Desean for Finley/Crabtree)I might regret that though, but I think/hope I made the right decision.He's kind of a wiry guy....Steve Smith is a comparable player but he had more bulk on his body, but he still got hurt quite a bit.I like my dynasty receivers to be bigger....I dunno...JMO.

if you traded him thinking his value would never be higher you just traded away the two best players in that deal. I think that's a bad trade and i don't need to know rosters or scoring for your league to know you made a bad trade there.JMO

It's pretty close IMO. I believe Crabtree will be about the same level as DeSean; Finley vs. Felix is a toss up for me.

Finley will start for me at TE and the TE's get lots of love in our scoring system.Felix Jones was my 3rd RB.

 

[Fantaholic]

I made the mistake of not believing in him this past year. I won't make that mistake again this year. Think what you want about him, but the kid is a playmaker. He won't be over-valued because the likelihood of him being drafted number one at WR is slim. However, he has the potential to put up those numbers. All my leagues reward for long TD's, and there is nobody even close in that category.

 

[Bandite]

I love Jacksons talent but I don`t see him repeating all of the long TDs from last season,

Would you say the same thing about Chris Johnson repeating all of his long tds? DeSean is easily the 2nd most explosive player in the league.

 

[T.Rex]

I love Jacksons talent but I don`t see him repeating all of the long TDs from last season,

Would you say the same thing about Chris Johnson repeating all of his long tds? DeSean is easily the 2nd most explosive player in the league.

yes I would. On both accounts

 

[bonesman]

I seriously doubt Desean scores 5 TDs over 50 yds again next year... but I also doubt he has only 2 from inside the 20.

Desean is a killer deep threat but he's also a beast on screen and intermediate routes too. If he's on the field he'll make plays.

 

[DoubleG]

last year is his absolute ceiling if mcnabb comes back. expect more like 1000 and 5 which is barely startable.

with kolb the sky is the limit

Desean had huge games with Kolb under center from a yardage perspective - but only 6 and 4 receptions in the two games Kolb started (and in one of those games Kolb threw 50+ times). Would you care to expound on why you suggest that Kolb playing will increase Jackson's numbers, when in the games Kolb started last year, his recpetions numbers were at or lower (%-wise) what they were when McNabb was starting?I'm not saying your wrong (at first blush, I agreed), just when I went back to double check the numbers, theyw eren't what I presumed they were - I had assumed that Kolb threw to DJax more than McNabb did.

 

[Titus Pullo]

i offered boldin and #13 which was quickly rejected with a reply saying he'd need a lot more than that.

 

[rzrback77]

I seriously doubt Desean scores 5 TDs over 50 yds again next year... but I also doubt he has only 2 from inside the 20.Desean is a killer deep threat but he's also a beast on screen and intermediate routes too. If he's on the field he'll make plays.

especially the final sentence, except that I would edit to change if to When. They will get him opportunities regardless of who is at QB. I think that he will score as many or more TDs in 2010, althought it is doubtful that there will be as many long TDs as those are rare.

 

[bonesman]

I seriously doubt Desean scores 5 TDs over 50 yds again next year... but I also doubt he has only 2 from inside the 20.

Desean is a killer deep threat but he's also a beast on screen and intermediate routes too. If he's on the field he'll make plays.

especially the final sentence, except that I would edit to change if to When. They will get him opportunities regardless of who is at QB. I think that he will score as many or more TDs in 2010, althought it is doubtful that there will be as many long TDs as those are rare.

I should actually edit it to BOLD the "if". I have ZERO doubt about Desean's playmaking ability and general football-player-ness/toughness... but his slight frame is cause for some concern for me. He missed a game last year because of concussion and he had a couple tweaks that left him on the injury report. It's nothing that would have me majorly lower his ranking... but it is something to consider and be concerned about for me.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

TDs - Erratic for all WRs; unless you're Fitzgerald, Moss or Wayne, ~10 TDs is hit or miss. I wouldn't be shocked if Jackson put up 5 or 12 TDs next season.

Catches - I like the Santana Moss comparison. He only had 62 catches this year. Seems like 80 or so receptions would be the max for the type of player he is and the offense he plays in (Eagles spread the ball around a ton).

Yards - 18.5 YPR last season; up from 14.7 his rookie year. That number would be tough to repeat for anyone.

Opportunities - Yes, he may be the Eagles top playmaker, but this is a team who likes to spread the ball around; Celek came into his own as a solid option and 1st round pick Jeremy Maclin had a nice rookie year with 55/762/4

Overall - Jackson is probably a solid #2 fantasy WR with expected production in the range of 65/1000/7. I wouldn't draft him as a #1; I'd be afraid he would be too inconsistent on a weekly basis based on the factors above. JMO.

 

[noneother]

In a 14 team league salary cap I gave Calvin Johnson for desean. Calvin was costing me twice as much. Still have bowe and terrel. Hoping to pick up meachem or garçon.

 

[Bandite]

i offered boldin and #13 which was quickly rejected with a reply saying he'd need a lot more than that.

I've gotten it both ways. Offered 1.1/Slaton for him and was told he's worth a lot more than thatIn a league I have DeSean I offered Desean for Harvin/McCoy:(pre westbrook release) and 1.5 and was Told DeSean isnt worth 1.5, Just goes to show ya how differnt people feel about him

 

[Junta]

Traded DeSean for Jermichael Finley and Steve Smith (CAR) in Dynasty PPR.

 

[fightingillini]

TDs - Erratic for all WRs; unless you're Fitzgerald, Moss or Wayne, ~10 TDs is hit or miss. I wouldn't be shocked if Jackson put up 5 or 12 TDs next season.Catches - I like the Santana Moss comparison. He only had 62 catches this year. Seems like 80 or so receptions would be the max for the type of player he is and the offense he plays in (Eagles spread the ball around a ton).Yards - 18.5 YPR last season; up from 14.7 his rookie year. That number would be tough to repeat for anyone.Opportunities - Yes, he may be the Eagles top playmaker, but this is a team who likes to spread the ball around; Celek came into his own as a solid option and 1st round pick Jeremy Maclin had a nice rookie year with 55/762/4Overall - Jackson is probably a solid #2 fantasy WR with expected production in the range of 65/1000/7. I wouldn't draft him as a #1; I'd be afraid he would be too inconsistent on a weekly basis based on the factors above. JMO.

Very I am in agreement here. Assuming you don't get points for return yardage, I can't draft Desean Jackson as my #1WR since he doesn't catch enough passes.

 

[travdogg]

last year is his absolute ceiling if mcnabb comes back. expect more like 1000 and 5 which is barely startable.

with kolb the sky is the limit

Disagree completely, I think Philly is still just learning how to use Jackson. Watching him play, there is no reason why he can't be an 80-90 catch guy. Philly hasn't used him in that way yet, but it doesn't mean they won't. The guy gets open against anyone, and can't be single covered. As Maclin gains more experience and they figure out how to use him, it will only mkae things easier for Jackson. I don't think this year was a fluke, maybe the TD's over 50 yards were, but I don't think the TD's in general were. If anything Jackson is a buy-low as there seems to be a whole lot of doubters.

There aren't 5 WR's I'd rather have than DeSean Jackson, and he's still got a lot of untapped upside.

 

[rock753]

I'm not sure what's not to like about this guy.

The only thing that concerns me is if Michael Vick ends up with that job. If McNabb stays, or Kolb wins it, he is gold again.

 

[B. Nugget]

I'm not sure what's not to like about this guy.

I'll give you 5-10 reasons once ADPs start to solidify. I will not be the least bit surprised if he gets drafted ahead of guys like Ochocinco and S.Smith (Car) which would be a travesty.As one poster noted, TDs are fluky. Even moreso for a guy like DeSean. Actually, that guy (Larry Allen's Jockstrap) made a lot of good points. The 18.5 ypc likely won't repeat.Someone else said he could be an 80-90 catch guy. When was the last time Philly had one of those? Maybe he could be, but not in Philly.I'd rather have Maclin quite a few rounds later. He could easily put up better numbers in 2010.

I've kind of lurked around in this whole D.Jackson discussion, but as a Mizzou season ticket holder and someone who has followed Maclin since high school, I want to throw out my opinion.DJAX is a good player, but I don't think people realize that he is a slightly smaller, slightly faster version of JMAC. They are very, very similar players. Go watch Maclin's college highlights and compare them to what Jackson did this past year with breaking a 10 yard crossing pattern into a 50+ yd TD. Neither are big, strong guys, but they are elusive and have great speed and I think you are about to see just how similar they are in 2010. I think they put up very similar stats going forward, with an edge to Maclin...so the value is to take Maclin later and get similar returns in production. The offense spreads the ball around too much and they will cancel each other's ability to truly "blow up" as elite fantasy WRs because the opportunities will be limited, leaving them both high/middle WR2 in PPR leagues.By the way, who do you think was blocking downfield when Jackson was breaking his long TDs?

 

[The Ref]

The "shark move" in a 3WR Keeper league is to Keep Jackson as your WR2.......... and then draft Maclin later on as insurance. At the very least, thats what I plan on doing this year.

 

[stp-d]

I'm not sure what's not to like about this guy.

I'll give you 5-10 reasons once ADPs start to solidify. I will not be the least bit surprised if he gets drafted ahead of guys like Ochocinco and S.Smith (Car) which would be a travesty.

Why would it be a travesty to draft the higher scoring player in DJAX ahead of the two much older WR's who have a less attractive QB situation than that in Philly?

Someone else said he could be an 80-90 catch guy. When was the last time Philly had one of those?

The last time they had a significant talent at WR, Terrell Owens had 77 in 14 games.

 

[SSOG]

Someone else said he could be an 80-90 catch guy. When was the last time Philly had one of those?

The last time they had a significant talent at WR, Terrell Owens had 77 in 14 games.

Are you calling Desean Jackson an insignificant talent? Because otherwise, the last time they had a significant talent at WR was last year.

 

[CalBear]

Someone else said he could be an 80-90 catch guy. When was the last time Philly had one of those? Maybe he could be, but not in Philly.

You'd have to go all the way back to 2007 to find a 77-catch Philly receiver (Curtis). Owens had 80 and 77 in fewer than 16 games in his first two years there. Philly actually doesn't spread the ball around amongst their WRs much; pretty much the WR1 and WR2 get the vast bulk of the WR targets. Kevin Curtis at 186 pounds has really no advantage over Jackson in getting lots of catches.

 

[EBF]

I think he's overrated. I don't doubt his talent. He's a great NFL player. I just don't think he's going to be a steady WR1 in FF leagues.

Value wise he's a more overhyped version of Santonio Holmes. Ideal WR2 in FF leagues.

 

[Go deep]

Someone else said he could be an 80-90 catch guy. When was the last time Philly had one of those?

The last time they had a significant talent at WR, Terrell Owens had 77 in 14 games.

Are you calling Desean Jackson an insignificant talent? Because otherwise, the last time they had a significant talent at WR was last year.

I think it is safe to say the original poster meant before Jackson. I also think Jackson will be a "significant" WR, and an 80 catch WR as he matures as a player. I dont understand some of the arguments against him. Do people think he has peaked, that his 2nd season was the climax(hehe, climax) of his career? How many other WR's peak in their 2nd season? The guy is the most explosive WR in the game, and the scary thing is, he is still learning the postion. My favorite argument against him is he scores alot of long TD's or that he has a high YPC. Is it not skill that allows him to do that, or is it just luck?

 

[Go deep]

I think he's overrated. I don't doubt his talent. He's a great NFL player. I just don't think he's going to be a steady WR1 in FF leagues. Value wise he's a more overhyped version of Santonio Holmes. Ideal WR2 in FF leagues.

Holmes isnt a bad comparison, Jackson is a better, faster version of Holmes.Jackson finished as the #4 WR in his 2nd season(in 15 games played)Holmes highest finish in 4 years is 15th, just this past season.There is a reason Jackson is more hyped than Holmes.

 

[EBF]

Personally, I think 2009 will be his career high in TDs.

Most players are overvalued after career years (even great ones like Brady and Manning).

 

[Go deep]

Personally, I think 2009 will be his career high in TDs. Most players are overvalued after career years (even great ones like Brady and Manning).

Quite possible 10 will be his career high. There is a couple of differences between him and the two QB's though. One, the QB's broke NFL records, so odds are that was going to be their career highs. Two, Brady and Manning reached their career highs well into their careers, so we had a pretty good idea what their normal numbers looked like. Right now, Jackson is a relative unknown. Sure, he has two seasons under his belt, but we dont really know what we are getting out of a WR until their 3rd, 4rth, 5th seasons. What i do know, is that what he has done up to this point is pretty impressive, and encouraging for future production. I also know that if i were the coach of the Eagles, i would do whatever i could to get the ball in his hands.

 

[FUBAR]

i offered boldin and #13 which was quickly rejected with a reply saying he'd need a lot more than that.

I've gotten it both ways. Offered 1.1/Slaton for him and was told he's worth a lot more than thatIn a league I have DeSean I offered Desean for Harvin/McCoy:(pre westbrook release) and 1.5 and was Told DeSean isnt worth 1.5, Just goes to show ya how differnt people feel about him

Key difference - one guy owns him, the other does not. He's one of the guys that is tough to trade for, as it's easy to see how he might not repeat his stats and hard to trade away, because he might and he's only going into his 3rd year, thus the variance in values. I own him cheap in a salary league and have some horrible offers, OTOH I don't think I'd give my 1.01 in another league for him.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

31 games

125 catches

2079 yards

11 TDs

So 16.6 ypc and a TD every 11-12 catches. With his rookie year being flukishly low on TDs and last year being flukishly high.

If you buy DeJax now you're basically betting that he's going to take a big leap forward and catch 85-90 balls. Because as it stands now he's a 12-13ppg, low-end WR2 whose role in the offense didn't increase from year one to year two.

Given than he's being valued like a high end WR1, I'll pass. YMMV

 

[Trey]

31 games

125 catches

2079 yards

11 TDs

So 16.6 ypc and a TD every 11-12 catches. With his rookie year being flukishly low on TDs and last year being flukishly high.

If you buy DeJax now you're basically betting that he's going to take a big leap forward and catch 85-90 balls. Because as it stands now he's a 12-13ppg, low-end WR2 whose role in the offense didn't increase from year one to year two.

Given than he's being valued like a high end WR1, I'll pass. YMMV

Really? WR10ish last year in PPR formats is a low end WR2?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

31 games

125 catches

2079 yards

11 TDs

So 16.6 ypc and a TD every 11-12 catches. With his rookie year being flukishly low on TDs and last year being flukishly high.

If you buy DeJax now you're basically betting that he's going to take a big leap forward and catch 85-90 balls. Because as it stands now he's a 12-13ppg, low-end WR2 whose role in the offense didn't increase from year one to year two.

Given than he's being valued like a high end WR1, I'll pass. YMMV

Really? WR10ish last year in PPR formats is a low end WR2?

In my leagues we don't get to use last year's stats for 2010+. Interesting format though.Hint: on almost exactly the same number of catches Jackson was WR 30-something in 2008.