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This makes for some interesting news. I like what direction Martz is leaning. I would like to hear what Lions homers thinks about this.I question if Jones is the right type of RB to do what Martz wants. I think he is but I just hope he hasn't been ruined by the past. Anyway, here's what Martz said:

Lions | Martz declares West Coast offense deadFri, 17 Feb 2006 20:07:20 -0800Steve Pate, of The Oakland Press, reports Detroit Lions offensive coordinator Mike Martz declared the West Coast offense in Detroit deader than a bad drum Thursday, Feb. 16. Martz feels QB Joey Harrington will be given every opportunity to work with the offense Martz pieces together. On his style of offense versus the West Coast offense, Martz said, "It's a culture shock. It's totally different. All the drops that we use, the terminology is different, everything's different. I think it's a good thing for (Harrington) to go through. It's a new chapter in my life, and I think it's a nice chapter for Joey."Lions | Martz views K. Jones as 30-carry backFri, 17 Feb 2006 20:38:01 -0800Steve Pate, of The Daily Oakland Press, reports Detroit Lions offensive coordinator Mike Martz views RB Kevin Jones as a 30-carry back. Martz said Jones is the type of explosive player "you can hang your hat on." Martz said, "When you want a guy who can carry the mail, so to speak, and can do that 35 times a game, he can do that. Or he can turn around the next week and carry it five times and catch 10 passes. He has that type of versatility; we just need to shine it up a little bit."Lions | Wide receivers will have to competeFri, 17 Feb 2006 20:38:38 -0800Steve Pate, of The Daily Oakland Press, reports Detroit Lions offensive coordinator Mike Martz claims the wide receiving corps of WR Roy Williams, WR Charles Rogers, and WR Mike Williams will be made to compete. Martz said, "You look at these guys and see the potential that's not been realized, and you think maybe you can do that. That's the ego in you. The only thing I would say is they've got to compete, and we'll give them every opportunity to compete. They're going to be made to compete, or basically, it's going to be very difficult for them."
 
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I haven't been so excited about a Lions coaching hire since they got Bobby Ross. Most of that excitement was more a case of them just being rid of Wayne Fontes and knowing Barry would finally get a FB in front of him. It's really sounding like Joey is getting an unprecedented 4th year to "show what he's got."

 
I haven't been so excited about a Lions coaching hire since they got Bobby Ross. Most of that excitement was more a case of them just being rid of Wayne Fontes and knowing Barry would finally get a FB in front of him. It's really sounding like Joey is getting an unprecedented 4th year to "show what he's got."
Don't speak ill of the Big Buck. Viva le Fontes !!!!
 
I think the Lions have finally done it all right. Now the bad drafts might end up paying off with Mad man Martz in there runnign the offense. The Lions also have two outstanding defensive minds in there now. I wonder how long they can keep this coaching staff together, especially after a really successful year.

I honestly think the Bears won with smoke and mirrors and took advantage of a really down year for the division. I think this division will be wide open next year and Detroit has just as good a chance of winning it as anyone.

 
I think the Lions have finally done it all right. Now the bad drafts might end up paying off with Mad man Martz in there runnign the offense. The Lions also have two outstanding defensive minds in there now. I wonder how long they can keep this coaching staff together, especially after a really successful year.

I honestly think the Bears won with smoke and mirrors and took advantage of a really down year for the division. I think this division will be wide open next year and Detroit has just as good a chance of winning it as anyone.
Regarding the Bears, I think they did it outside the division as well. 5-1 in the division and 6-4 out. But in those 6 they beat Tampa on the road and Carolina. Not exactly slouches. But you are right, they did get the division on a bad year. The year end loss to Minn was week 15 and they had the division wrapped up. If Martz can improve the offensive line and running game, I think passing game will come along. Keeping those first round pick WR's healthy would help too. The Lions lost 5 games by 19 points or less than 4 per game. It wouldn't take much to improve that.

Their D was 20th overall and their pass D was pretty good. An improved offense would benefit the D as well so I like what I'm hearing. The question is do they have or will they have the personell to make that happen?

 
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I think the Lions have finally done it all right. Now the bad drafts might end up paying off with Mad man Martz in there runnign the offense. The Lions also have two outstanding defensive minds in there now. I wonder how long they can keep this coaching staff together, especially after a really successful year.

I honestly think the Bears won with smoke and mirrors and took advantage of a really down year for the division. I think this division will be wide open next year and Detroit has just as good a chance of winning it as anyone.
Regarding the Bears, I think they did it outside the division as well. 5-1 in the division and 6-4 out. But in those 6 they beat Tampa on the road and Carolina. Not exactly slouches. But you are right, they did get the division on a bad year. The year end loss to Minn was week 15 and they had the division wrapped up. If Martz can improve the offensive line and running game, I think passing game will come along. Keeping those first round pick WR's healthy would help too. The Lions lost 5 games by 19 points or less than 4 per game. It wouldn't take much to improve that.

Their D was 20th overall and their pass D was pretty good. An improved offense would benefit the D as well so I like what I'm hearing. The question is do they have or will they have the personell to make that happen?
The Carolina game for the Bears was a home game. They won the Buc game when the Buc kicker missed a 20-yard field goal. They barely beat the 49ers at home when an improbable missed field goal was returned 108-yards for a bizarre td. Need I go on?
 
This is nothing more than rhetoric by Martz.

He had a healthy Marshall Faulk and the guy was never a 30 carry back, so who's Martz crappin?

Do a bit of research and let me know when his team has EVER had all of their RBs combine for 30 carries.

Martz is known for two things in recent memory:

A) Underutilizing the running game

B) Squandering timeouts / challenges

 
I haven't been so excited about a Lions coaching hire since they got Bobby Ross.  Most of that excitement was more a case of them just being rid of Wayne Fontes and knowing Barry would finally get a FB in front of him.  It's really sounding like Joey is getting an unprecedented 4th year to "show what he's got."
Don't speak ill of the Big Buck. Viva le Fontes !!!!
If only he'd been able to get a DE to "block out the sun."
 
I think the Lions have finally done it all right. Now the bad drafts might end up paying off with Mad man Martz in there runnign the offense. The Lions also have two outstanding defensive minds in there now. I wonder how long they can keep this coaching staff together, especially after a really successful year.

I honestly think the Bears won with smoke and mirrors and took advantage of a really down year for the division. I think this division will be wide open next year and Detroit has just as good a chance of winning it as anyone.
Regarding the Bears, I think they did it outside the division as well. 5-1 in the division and 6-4 out. But in those 6 they beat Tampa on the road and Carolina. Not exactly slouches. But you are right, they did get the division on a bad year. The year end loss to Minn was week 15 and they had the division wrapped up. If Martz can improve the offensive line and running game, I think passing game will come along. Keeping those first round pick WR's healthy would help too. The Lions lost 5 games by 19 points or less than 4 per game. It wouldn't take much to improve that.

Their D was 20th overall and their pass D was pretty good. An improved offense would benefit the D as well so I like what I'm hearing. The question is do they have or will they have the personell to make that happen?
The Carolina game for the Bears was a home game. They won the Buc game when the Buc kicker missed a 20-yard field goal. They barely beat the 49ers at home when an improbable missed field goal was returned 108-yards for a bizarre td. Need I go on?
I realize the Carolina game was at home. I only said TB was on the road. As for winning in TB, it was a win on the road, right? Why cheapen it because TB missed a FG? It's still a win isn't it? Because of their offense you knew they were going to be in some close games. In fact, considering (in spite of) their offense, it's even more impressive that they were able to win 11 games IMO. They had no business winning some of those games. But their D is so good they did anyway.
 
This is nothing more than rhetoric by Martz.He had a healthy Marshall Faulk and the guy was never a 30 carry back, so who's Martz crappin?Do a bit of research and let me know when his team has EVER had all of their RBs combine for 30 carries.
JUST faulk in the beginning here, not all of their RBs combined:1999 week 14 he had 29 carries against new orleans2000 week 17 Faulk had 32 carries2001 week 15 against Carolina2002 week 7 against seattle and likely week 6 and 9, though you can look up if the FB or backup RB got the few carries, Faulk had 26 and 27 those 2 weeks.2003 week 15 likely as Faulk had 282004 week 16 he and Jackson combined for 41 carries2005 week 8 against jax they combined for 33. Week 15 they combined for 31.I'm not sure when Martz got to the Rams but it's likely they had a handful in 1998 too
 
I haven't been so excited about a Lions coaching hire since they got Bobby Ross.  Most of that excitement was more a case of them just being rid of Wayne Fontes and knowing Barry would finally get a FB in front of him.  It's really sounding like Joey is getting an unprecedented 4th year to "show what he's got."
Don't speak ill of the Big Buck. Viva le Fontes !!!!
Fontes always reminded me of the "Cowardly Lion".
 
I haven't been so excited about a Lions coaching hire since they got Bobby Ross. Most of that excitement was more a case of them just being rid of Wayne Fontes and knowing Barry would finally get a FB in front of him. It's really sounding like Joey is getting an unprecedented 4th year to "show what he's got."
Don't speak ill of the Big Buck. Viva le Fontes !!!!
Fontes always reminded me of the "Cowardly Lion".
The Big Buck
 
This is nothing more than rhetoric by Martz.

He had a healthy Marshall Faulk and the guy was never a 30 carry back, so who's Martz crappin?

Do a bit of research and let me know when his team has EVER had all of their RBs combine for 30 carries.

Martz is known for two things in recent memory:

A) Underutilizing the running game

B) Squandering timeouts / challenges
Gee, good thing the Bears didn't get him!!!And for the record, "B" is immaterial: he's not the HC in Detroit.

Nice spin. "Looks like another blunder hire for the Lions!"

 
Marinelli, Martz and Millen. Interesting mix of personalities. Wonder if they'll be able to work together.

Martz and Millen are big time egos.

 
Marinelli, Martz and Millen. Interesting mix of personalities. Wonder if they'll be able to work together.

Martz and Millen are big time egos.
I wonder the same thing...specifically the first time Marinelli and Martz conflict about how to run the offense with a lead.
 
I haven't been so excited about a Lions coaching hire since they got Bobby Ross. Most of that excitement was more a case of them just being rid of Wayne Fontes and knowing Barry would finally get a FB in front of him. It's really sounding like Joey is getting an unprecedented 4th year to "show what he's got."
I'd be more excited about whatever veteran QB the Lions bring in, maybe Kitna. I know damn well Martz isn't going to put up with Harrington's crap for an entire season.

 
This is nothing more than rhetoric by Martz.

He had a healthy Marshall Faulk and the guy was never a 30 carry back, so who's Martz crappin?

Do a bit of research and let me know when his team has EVER had all of their RBs combine for 30 carries.

Martz is known for two things in recent memory:

A) Underutilizing the running game

B) Squandering timeouts / challenges
I was wondering if I was the only one who seemed to get it.I would say this is a train wreck waiting to happen, but they're already there.....

I guess the best thing Martz has going is his timing, ie he hardly has anywhere to go but up.

 
I haven't been so excited about a Lions coaching hire since they got Bobby Ross. Most of that excitement was more a case of them just being rid of Wayne Fontes and knowing Barry would finally get a FB in front of him. It's really sounding like Joey is getting an unprecedented 4th year to "show what he's got."
I'd be more excited about whatever veteran QB the Lions bring in, maybe Kitna. I know damn well Martz isn't going to put up with Harrington's crap for an entire season.
The prospect of bringing in John Kitna would only put a damper on my excitement. If they aim that low, I would be extremely disappointed.
 
This is nothing more than rhetoric by Martz.

He had a healthy Marshall Faulk and the guy was never a 30 carry back, so who's Martz crappin?

Do a bit of research and let me know when his team has EVER had all of their RBs combine for 30 carries.
JUST faulk in the beginning here, not all of their RBs combined:1999 week 14 he had 29 carries against new orleans

2000 week 17 Faulk had 32 carries

2001 week 15 against Carolina

2002 week 7 against seattle and likely week 6 and 9, though you can look up if the FB or backup RB got the few carries, Faulk had 26 and 27 those 2 weeks.

2003 week 15 likely as Faulk had 28

2004 week 16 he and Jackson combined for 41 carries

2005 week 8 against jax they combined for 33. Week 15 they combined for 31.

I'm not sure when Martz got to the Rams but it's likely they had a handful in 1998 too
I'll kiss Matt Millen's ### on Main Street when Kevin Jones has 30 carries.....and I'm not saying Martz will be a disaster, I'm just saying this is nothing more than 'new coach' blather and rhetoric.

And for the record, Kevin Jones has had the same number of 30 carry games as Marhsall Faulk in much less time. I guess the proof is in the pudding.

 
This makes for some interesting news. I like what direction Martz is leaning. I would like to hear what Lions homers thinks about this.

I question if Jones is the right type of RB to do what Martz wants. I think he is but I just hope he hasn't been ruined by the past. Anyway, here's what Martz said:

Lions | Martz declares West Coast offense dead

Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:07:20 -0800

Steve Pate, of The Oakland Press, reports Detroit Lions offensive coordinator Mike Martz declared the West Coast offense in Detroit deader than a bad drum Thursday, Feb. 16. Martz feels QB Joey Harrington will be given every opportunity to work with the offense Martz pieces together. On his style of offense versus the West Coast offense, Martz said, "It's a culture shock. It's totally different. All the drops that we use, the terminology is different, everything's different. I think it's a good thing for (Harrington) to go through. It's a new chapter in my life, and I think it's a nice chapter for Joey."

Lions | Martz views K. Jones as 30-carry back

Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:38:01 -0800

Steve Pate, of The Daily Oakland Press, reports Detroit Lions offensive coordinator Mike Martz views RB Kevin Jones as a 30-carry back. Martz said Jones is the type of explosive player "you can hang your hat on." Martz said, "When you want a guy who can carry the mail, so to speak, and can do that 35 times a game, he can do that. Or he can turn around the next week and carry it five times and catch 10 passes. He has that type of versatility; we just need to shine it up a little bit."

Lions | Wide receivers will have to compete

Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:38:38 -0800

Steve Pate, of The Daily Oakland Press, reports Detroit Lions offensive coordinator Mike Martz claims the wide receiving corps of WR Roy Williams, WR Charles Rogers, and WR Mike Williams will be made to compete. Martz said, "You look at these guys and see the potential that's not been realized, and you think maybe you can do that. That's the ego in you. The only thing I would say is they've got to compete, and we'll give them every opportunity to compete. They're going to be made to compete, or basically, it's going to be very difficult for them."
I love reading into Martz
 
Marinelli, Martz and Millen.  Interesting mix of personalities. Wonder if they'll be able to work together.

Martz and Millen are big time egos.
Martz said he's in Detroit because of Marinelli. He loves the guy.The Lions have to prove it on the field--but there is zero to NOT like about these hires. Come on! This is one helluva of an all-star coaching staff the Lions have put together. I mean, the haters here are reduced to weak arguments of "gee, I don't know if this coaching staff will get along together" and "Martz will under-utilize Jones!"

:lmao:

 
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Marinelli, Martz and Millen. Interesting mix of personalities. Wonder if they'll be able to work together.

Martz and Millen are big time egos.
Martz said he's in Detroit because of Marinelli. He loves the guy.The Lions have to prove it on the field--but there is zero to NOT like about these hires. Come on! This is one helluva of an all-star coaching staff the Lions have put together. I mean, the haters here are reduced to weak arguments of "gee, I don't know if this coaching staff will get along together" and "Martz will under-utilize Jones!"

:lmao:
In all honesty, history is on the haters' side. I wouldn't put the Lions in Miami yet.
 
I haven't been so excited about a Lions coaching hire since they got Bobby Ross. Most of that excitement was more a case of them just being rid of Wayne Fontes and knowing Barry would finally get a FB in front of him. It's really sounding like Joey is getting an unprecedented 4th year to "show what he's got."
I'd be more excited about whatever veteran QB the Lions bring in, maybe Kitna. I know damn well Martz isn't going to put up with Harrington's crap for an entire season.
what crap is that? Is Martz going to be ordering Harrington to throw 3 yard passes all day? Is he going to call draws on 3rd and 12? Is he going to tire of Harrington being the most unselfish team player on the squad? Or his ability to stay above all the bull#### and show nothing but class under extremely adverse conditions?
 
Marinelli, Martz and Millen.  Interesting mix of personalities. Wonder if they'll be able to work together.

Martz and Millen are big time egos.
Martz said he's in Detroit because of Marinelli. He loves the guy.The Lions have to prove it on the field--but there is zero to NOT like about these hires. Come on! This is one helluva of an all-star coaching staff the Lions have put together. I mean, the haters here are reduced to weak arguments of "gee, I don't know if this coaching staff will get along together" and "Martz will under-utilize Jones!"

:lmao:
In all honesty, history is on the haters' side. I wouldn't put the Lions in Miami yet.
Yeah, I can understand how you could translate "The Lions have to prove it onl the field" as meaning "The Lions are going to the Super Bowl next year." :lmao: So now you're reduced to the argument of "The Lions are the Lions--therefore these hires will guaranteed suck"?

Good God.

 
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I haven't been so excited about a Lions coaching hire since they got Bobby Ross.  Most of that excitement was more a case of them just being rid of Wayne Fontes and knowing Barry would finally get a FB in front of him.  It's really sounding like Joey is getting an unprecedented 4th year to "show what he's got."
I'd be more excited about whatever veteran QB the Lions bring in, maybe Kitna. I know damn well Martz isn't going to put up with Harrington's crap for an entire season.
what crap is that? Is Martz going to be ordering Harrington to throw 3 yard passes all day? Is he going to call draws on 3rd and 12? Is he going to tire of Harrington being the most unselfish team player on the squad? Or his ability to stay above all the bull#### and show nothing but class under extremely adverse conditions?
:goodposting:
 
I haven't been so excited about a Lions coaching hire since they got Bobby Ross.  Most of that excitement was more a case of them just being rid of Wayne Fontes and knowing Barry would finally get a FB in front of him.  It's really sounding like Joey is getting an unprecedented 4th year to "show what he's got."
I'd be more excited about whatever veteran QB the Lions bring in, maybe Kitna. I know damn well Martz isn't going to put up with Harrington's crap for an entire season.
what crap is that? Is Martz going to be ordering Harrington to throw 3 yard passes all day? Is he going to call draws on 3rd and 12? Is he going to tire of Harrington being the most unselfish team player on the squad? Or his ability to stay above all the bull#### and show nothing but class under extremely adverse conditions?
That's funny ####!
 
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Lots of talk for an OC
Not just any OC--arguably the top offensive mind in the game today. It's no coincidence that the last time the Lions had a top offense Tom Moore was making a stiff like Scott Mitchell into a 35-td qb.
 
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I was a bit of a laughingstock for buying into the Lions QBs last season in one league.

Looks like I'll be doing it again :D

 
Marinelli, Martz and Millen.  Interesting mix of personalities. Wonder if they'll be able to work together.

Martz and Millen are big time egos.
Martz said he's in Detroit because of Marinelli. He loves the guy.The Lions have to prove it on the field--but there is zero to NOT like about these hires. Come on! This is one helluva of an all-star coaching staff the Lions have put together. I mean, the haters here are reduced to weak arguments of "gee, I don't know if this coaching staff will get along together" and "Martz will under-utilize Jones!"

:lmao:
In all honesty, history is on the haters' side. I wouldn't put the Lions in Miami yet.
Yeah, I can understand how you could translate "The Lions have to prove it onl the field" as meaning "The Lions are going to the Super Bowl next year." :lmao: So now you're reduced to the argument of "The Lions are the Lions--therefore these hires will guaranteed suck"?

Good God.
Getting back to to the Lions, the thing I wonder about is will the players believe the changes and buy into the coaches or not? I wonder if the players feel the coaches were the problem or do they understand that the problems likely go much higher? Do they like Millen and owner? Or do they see them as the rpoblem and the new coaches as new pupets? If they don't buy in or feel the ownership is the problem then these changes are meaningless. The players won't try hard for them. They just do what they have to collect their checks.
 
Marinelli, Martz and Millen.  Interesting mix of personalities. Wonder if they'll be able to work together.

Martz and Millen are big time egos.
Martz said he's in Detroit because of Marinelli. He loves the guy.The Lions have to prove it on the field--but there is zero to NOT like about these hires. Come on! This is one helluva of an all-star coaching staff the Lions have put together. I mean, the haters here are reduced to weak arguments of "gee, I don't know if this coaching staff will get along together" and "Martz will under-utilize Jones!"

:lmao:
In all honesty, history is on the haters' side. I wouldn't put the Lions in Miami yet.
Yeah, I can understand how you could translate "The Lions have to prove it onl the field" as meaning "The Lions are going to the Super Bowl next year." :lmao: So now you're reduced to the argument of "The Lions are the Lions--therefore these hires will guaranteed suck"?

Good God.
Getting back to to the Lions, the thing I wonder about is will the players believe the changes and buy into the coaches or not? I wonder if the players feel the coaches were the problem or do they understand that the problems likely go much higher? Do they like Millen and owner? Or do they see them as the rpoblem and the new coaches as new pupets? If they don't buy in or feel the ownership is the problem then these changes are meaningless. The players won't try hard for them. They just do what they have to collect their checks.
There is no way Marinelli--let alone Henderson, let alone Martz--will let ANY Lion player collect a paycheck and coast. WILL NOT HAPPEN. players will be gone--quickly--if they don't buy in and turn it up. Period.And do you want to be the clown that has to look for a new employer and say "yeah, it was all Mooch's fault and then it was all Marnelli's fault...oh, and it was also Martz's fault I didn't turn out good." :lmao:

The convenient excuses that allowed some of these players to point the finger last year and take a powder has been decisively removed. It's put up or get out time.

 
This is nothing more than rhetoric by Martz.

He had a healthy Marshall Faulk and the guy was never a 30 carry back, so who's Martz crappin?

Do a bit of research and let me know when his team has EVER had all of their RBs combine for 30 carries.
JUST faulk in the beginning here, not all of their RBs combined:1999 week 14 he had 29 carries against new orleans

2000 week 17 Faulk had 32 carries

2001 week 15 against Carolina

2002 week 7 against seattle and likely week 6 and 9, though you can look up if the FB or backup RB got the few carries, Faulk had 26 and 27 those 2 weeks.

2003 week 15 likely as Faulk had 28

2004 week 16 he and Jackson combined for 41 carries

2005 week 8 against jax they combined for 33. Week 15 they combined for 31.

I'm not sure when Martz got to the Rams but it's likely they had a handful in 1998 too
I'll kiss Matt Millen's ### on Main Street when Kevin Jones has 30 carries.
Geez, THANK YOU! I'm amazed I had to scroll down to post #19 before someone finally stated the obvious. The over/under on Jones getting hurt if he carried the ball 30+ times is approximately...... middle of the 1st quarter of the 1st game.
 
I haven't been so excited about a Lions coaching hire since they got Bobby Ross.
Bobby Ross, the coach that de-emphasized the running game when he had the best RB in NFL history, Bobby Ross, the coach that was quoted at times as saying that he wanted to pass the ball in order to set up the run?
 
I haven't been so excited about a Lions coaching hire since they got Bobby Ross.
Bobby Ross, the coach that de-emphasized the running game when he had the best RB in NFL history, Bobby Ross, the coach that was quoted at times as saying that he wanted to pass the ball in order to set up the run?
No, wrong guy. The Bobby Ross I'm talking about gave Barry Sanders his best seasons, including one for 2,000 after he installed a FB.
 
I haven't been so excited about a Lions coaching hire since they got Bobby Ross. 
Bobby Ross, the coach that de-emphasized the running game when he had the best RB in NFL history, Bobby Ross, the coach that was quoted at times as saying that he wanted to pass the ball in order to set up the run?
:confused: WTF are you talking about? Ross put more emphasis on running the ball than any Lions coach since I've been alive.Barry's highest and 3rd-highest carry totals of his career came in his two seasons under Ross, including his 2000-yard season.

Ross also made RB the #1 offseason priority the year after Barry left, signing James Stewart, and used many of his first-round picks on offensive linemen.

He had his faults, sure, but de-emphasizing the run was not among them.

 
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Marinelli, Martz and Millen.  Interesting mix of personalities. Wonder if they'll be able to work together.

Martz and Millen are big time egos.
Martz said he's in Detroit because of Marinelli. He loves the guy.The Lions have to prove it on the field--but there is zero to NOT like about these hires. Come on! This is one helluva of an all-star coaching staff the Lions have put together. I mean, the haters here are reduced to weak arguments of "gee, I don't know if this coaching staff will get along together" and "Martz will under-utilize Jones!"

:lmao:
In all honesty, history is on the haters' side. I wouldn't put the Lions in Miami yet.
Yeah, I can understand how you could translate "The Lions have to prove it onl the field" as meaning "The Lions are going to the Super Bowl next year." :lmao: So now you're reduced to the argument of "The Lions are the Lions--therefore these hires will guaranteed suck"?

Good God.
Getting back to to the Lions, the thing I wonder about is will the players believe the changes and buy into the coaches or not? I wonder if the players feel the coaches were the problem or do they understand that the problems likely go much higher? Do they like Millen and owner? Or do they see them as the rpoblem and the new coaches as new pupets? If they don't buy in or feel the ownership is the problem then these changes are meaningless. The players won't try hard for them. They just do what they have to collect their checks.
There is no way Marinelli--let alone Henderson, let alone Martz--will let ANY Lion player collect a paycheck and coast. WILL NOT HAPPEN. players will be gone--quickly--if they don't buy in and turn it up. Period.And do you want to be the clown that has to look for a new employer and say "yeah, it was all Mooch's fault and then it was all Marnelli's fault...oh, and it was also Martz's fault I didn't turn out good." :lmao:

The convenient excuses that allowed some of these players to point the finger last year and take a powder has been decisively removed. It's put up or get out time.
I'd like to think you're right but history isn't on your side. I'll believe it when I see the owners hold all accountable.
 

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