Detroit Lions and their 1st RD Draft picks. (1 Viewer)

[comfortably numb]

2006 #9 Ernie Simms

2005 #10 Mike Williams

2004 #7 Roy Williams

#30 Kevin Jones

2003 #2 Charles Rodgers

2002 #3 Joey Harrington

2001 #18 Jeff Backus

2000 #20 Stocker McDougle

1999 #9 Chris Claiborne

#27 Aaron Gibson

1998 #20 Terry Fair

1997 #5 Bryant Westbrook

1996 #17 Reggie Brown

#23 Jeff Harting

I am not too keen on all these guys, but can someone who knows, run down this list and tell me what these players have accomplished.

Who does Matt Millen have pictures of with a goat to still have a job.

What year did Millen start drafting?

 

[D-BO]

1996 was fine. Too bad Hartings is else where & Brown was going to be good.

 

[Aabye]

By contrast, here are the Steelers over that same span:

Pittsburgh:

'96 - Jamain Stephens (29)

'97 - Chad Scott (24)

'98 - Alan Faneca (26)

'99 - Troy Edwards (13)

'00 - Plaxico Burress (8)

'01 - Casey Hampton (19)

'02 - Kendall Simmons (30)

'03 - Troy Polamalu (16)

'04 - Ben Roethlisberger (11)

'05 - Heath Miller (30)

'06 - Santonio Holmes (25)

Of those picks only Stephens and Edwards could really be called busts at this point and they hit the jackpot 4 times w/ Faneca, Hampton, Polamalu, and Roethlisberger.

 

[Spartans Rule]

2006 #9 Ernie Simms - so far so good, but way too soon to tell.

2005 #10 Mike Williams - has managed to play his way from 10th pick to the inactive list in just a year. What a stud.

2004 #7 Roy Williams - stud in the making, but hasn't quite lived up to his potential.

#30 Kevin Jones - seems to have talent but has only produced in spurts. Some blame goes to the line, some to him.

2003 #2 Charles Rodgers - This one went up in smoke.

2002 #3 Joey Harrington - Ugh.

2001 #18 Jeff Backus - solid, steady producer on the line, although overrated by many.

2000 #20 Stocker McDougle - was becoming an ok player before he left, but by no means living up to his draft status.

1999 #9 Chris Claiborne - great player for the division rival Vikings.

#27 Aaron Gibson - Hi, I'm Bobby Ross, and I think the only criteria to look for when drafting offensive linemen is weight

1998 #20 Terry Fair - Good and bad. The bad was that he sucked something awful. The good was that he always hurt so we usually didn't have to see it.

1997 #5 Bryant Westbrook - See Terry Fair. Only 15 spots higher.

1996 #17 Reggie Brown - Awesome player. One of the Lions best picks ever. At least until he broke his neck.

#23 Jeff Hartings - We made a good pick. We did a good job developing him. And then we watched him dominate. For Pittsburgh.

 

[comfortably numb]

2006 #9 Ernie Simms - so far so good, but way too soon to tell. 2005 #10 Mike Williams - has managed to play his way from 10th pick to the inactive list in just a year. What a stud. 2004 #7 Roy Williams - stud in the making, but hasn't quite lived up to his potential. #30 Kevin Jones - seems to have talent but has only produced in spurts. Some blame goes to the line, some to him.2003 #2 Charles Rodgers - This one went up in smoke. 2002 #3 Joey Harrington - Ugh. 2001 #18 Jeff Backus - solid, steady producer on the line, although overrated by many. 2000 #20 Stocker McDougle - was becoming an ok player before he left, but by no means living up to his draft status. 1999 #9 Chris Claiborne - great player for the division rival Vikings. #27 Aaron Gibson - Hi, I'm Bobby Ross, and I think the only criteria to look for when drafting offensive linemen is weight 1998 #20 Terry Fair - Good and bad. The bad was that he sucked something awful. The good was that he always hurt so we usually didn't have to see it. 1997 #5 Bryant Westbrook - See Terry Fair. Only 15 spots higher. 1996 #17 Reggie Brown - Awesome player. One of the Lions best picks ever. At least until he broke his neck. #23 Jeff Hartings - We made a good pick. We did a good job developing him. And then we watched him dominate. For Pittsburgh.

Thanks, just what I wanted.I wonder if any other team has had this bad of a span.

 

[dagogrease]

By contrast, here are the Steelers over that same spanittsburgh:'96 - Jamain Stephens (29)'97 - Chad Scott (24)'98 - Alan Faneca (26)'99 - Troy Edwards (13)'00 - Plaxico Burress (8)'01 - Casey Hampton (19)'02 - Kendall Simmons (30)'03 - Troy Polamalu (16)'04 - Ben Roethlisberger (11)'05 - Heath Miller (30)'06 - Santonio Holmes (25)Of those picks only Simmons and Edwards could really be called busts at this point and they hit the jackpot 4 times w/ Faneca, Hampton, Polamalu, and Roethlisberger.

I hope you meant Stephens and not Simmons????

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

By contrast, here are the Steelers over that same spanittsburgh:'96 - Jamain Stephens (29)'97 - Chad Scott (24)'98 - Alan Faneca (26)'99 - Troy Edwards (13)'00 - Plaxico Burress (8)'01 - Casey Hampton (19)'02 - Kendall Simmons (30)'03 - Troy Polamalu (16)'04 - Ben Roethlisberger (11)'05 - Heath Miller (30)'06 - Santonio Holmes (25)Of those picks only Simmons and Edwards could really be called busts at this point and they hit the jackpot 4 times w/ Faneca, Hampton, Polamalu, and Roethlisberger.

I hope you meant Stephens and not Simmons????

Ditto. Simmons has had his moments but in no way is he a bust. Jamain Stevens was garbage.

 

[Aabye]

By contrast, here are the Steelers over that same spanittsburgh:'96 - Jamain Stephens (29)'97 - Chad Scott (24)'98 - Alan Faneca (26)'99 - Troy Edwards (13)'00 - Plaxico Burress (8)'01 - Casey Hampton (19)'02 - Kendall Simmons (30)'03 - Troy Polamalu (16)'04 - Ben Roethlisberger (11)'05 - Heath Miller (30)'06 - Santonio Holmes (25)Of those picks only Simmons and Edwards could really be called busts at this point and they hit the jackpot 4 times w/ Faneca, Hampton, Polamalu, and Roethlisberger.

I hope you meant Stephens and not Simmons????

Yeah, that was a mistake.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

2006 #9 Ernie Simms - so far so good, but way too soon to tell. 2005 #10 Mike Williams - has managed to play his way from 10th pick to the inactive list in just a year. What a stud. 2004 #7 Roy Williams - stud in the making, but hasn't quite lived up to his potential. #30 Kevin Jones - seems to have talent but has only produced in spurts. Some blame goes to the line, some to him.2003 #2 Charles Rodgers - This one went up in smoke. 2002 #3 Joey Harrington - Ugh. 2001 #18 Jeff Backus - solid, steady producer on the line, although overrated by many. 2000 #20 Stocker McDougle - was becoming an ok player before he left, but by no means living up to his draft status. 1999 #9 Chris Claiborne - great player for the division rival Vikings. #27 Aaron Gibson - Hi, I'm Bobby Ross, and I think the only criteria to look for when drafting offensive linemen is weight 1998 #20 Terry Fair - Good and bad. The bad was that he sucked something awful. The good was that he always hurt so we usually didn't have to see it. 1997 #5 Bryant Westbrook - See Terry Fair. Only 15 spots higher. 1996 #17 Reggie Brown - Awesome player. One of the Lions best picks ever. At least until he broke his neck. #23 Jeff Hartings - We made a good pick. We did a good job developing him. And then we watched him dominate. For Pittsburgh.

Thanks, just what I wanted.I wonder if any other team has had this bad of a span.

Go look at Clevelands list of #1 picks since they got their tem back in 1999. edit -- to be fair, the past couple years have been good for them. they had a pretty terrible 5 year run though.

 

[Mario Kart]

Dont have the list of 1st rounders but I think Green Bay could be right up there in the bad department. Especially during the Sherman Era.

1996 John Michels - poor pick

1997 Ross Verba - he played but poor here

1998 Vonnie Holliday - poor

1999 Antuan Edwards - poor

2000 Bubba Franks - overpaid TE still with team... average pick

2001 Jamal Reynolds - poor

2002 Javon Walker - good pick but big headed

2003 Nick Barnett - great pick

2004 Ahmad Carroll - poor

2005 Aaron Rodgers - too soon to judge

2006 A. J. Hawk - should be good

 

[DoubleG]

Wow! Some of those are almost as bad as Bear's first round picks*. (Urlacher excluded, of course)

* See Cade McNown, Curtis Enos, RaShan Salaam et. al.

 

[Bruno2]

You think thats bad, no wonder the Raiders are in a world of hurt right now.

2006- Michael Huff- Time will tell, they passed on Cutler/Leinart to get him.

2005- Fabian Washington- Hasn't done anything yet to prove he's worth a 1st round selection.

2004- Robert Gallery- Has gone from the safest pick in the draft to 1st round bust.

2003- Nnamdi Asomugha/Tyler Brayton- Two lousy first round picks, both are now marginal starters, probably would be backups on other teams.

2002- Phillip Buchanan/Napoleon Harris- Neither one is still on the team.

2001- Derrick Gibson- Never lived up to potential, now he's a backup.

2000- Sebastian Janikowski- Why the hell anyone drafts a kicker in the 1st round, I'll never know, especially with Shaun Alxander still on the board.

1999- Matt Stinchcomb- Another 1st round OL bust for the Raiders.

1998- Charles Woodson/Mo Collins- The best draft they had the past 10 years, Woodson was good early on, but became injury prone and his skills started to decline the past few years. Collins was servicable at gaurd for a few years, not worth trading up to get him like they did though.

1997- Darrell Russell- Showed promise early, but he never put together a stellar career.

1996- Rickey Dudley- BUST.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Millen's first pick was Joey

 

[comfortably numb]

You think thats bad, no wonder the Raiders are in a world of hurt right now.2006- Michael Huff- Time will tell, they passed on Cutler/Leinart to get him.2005- Fabian Washington- Hasn't done anything yet to prove he's worth a 1st round selection.2004- Robert Gallery- Has gone from the safest pick in the draft to 1st round bust.2003- Nnamdi Asomugha/Tyler Brayton- Two lousy first round picks, both are now marginal starters, probably would be backups on other teams.2002- Phillip Buchanan/Napoleon Harris- Neither one is still on the team.2001- Derrick Gibson- Never lived up to potential, now he's a backup.2000- Sebastian Janikowski- Why the hell anyone drafts a kicker in the 1st round, I'll never know, especially with Shaun Alxander still on the board.1999- Matt Stinchcomb- Another 1st round OL bust for the Raiders.1998- Charles Woodson/Mo Collins- The best draft they had the past 10 years, Woodson was good early on, but became injury prone and his skills started to decline the past few years. Collins was servicable at gaurd for a few years, not worth trading up to get him like they did though.1997- Darrell Russell- Showed promise early, but he never put together a stellar career.1996- Rickey Dudley- BUST.

WowThat is pretty bad

 

[sandlotshrink]

Who-Dey think gonna beat this list:

'92 David Klingler, QB & Darryl Williams

'93 John Copeland, DE

'94 Dan Wilkinson, DT

'95 Ki-Jana Carter, RB

'96 Willie Anderson, T

'97 Reinard Wilson, LB

'98 Takeo Spikes, LB & Brian Simmons, RB

'99 Akili Smith, QB

'00 Peter Warrick, WR

'01 Justin Smith, DE

'02 Levi Jones, OT

'03 Carson Palmer, QB

'04 Chris Perry, RB

'05 David Pollack, LB

 

[comfortably numb]

Who-Dey think gonna beat this list:'92 David Klingler, QB & Darryl Williams'93 John Copeland, DE'94 Dan Wilkinson, DT'95 Ki-Jana Carter, RB'96 Willie Anderson, T'97 Reinard Wilson, LB'98 Takeo Spikes, LB & Brian Simmons, RB'99 Akili Smith, QB'00 Peter Warrick, WR'01 Justin Smith, DE'02 Levi Jones, OT'03 Carson Palmer, QB'04 Chris Perry, RB'05 David Pollack, LB

That is bad, Some of those guys were in the top 3

 

[Mungo Burrows]

By contrast, here are the Steelers over that same spanittsburgh:'96 - Jamain Stephens (29)'97 - Chad Scott (24)'98 - Alan Faneca (26)'99 - Troy Edwards (13)'00 - Plaxico Burress (8)'01 - Casey Hampton (19)'02 - Kendall Simmons (30)'03 - Troy Polamalu (16)'04 - Ben Roethlisberger (11)'05 - Heath Miller (30)'06 - Santonio Holmes (25)Of those picks only Stephens and Edwards could really be called busts at this point and they hit the jackpot 4 times w/ Faneca, Hampton, Polamalu, and Roethlisberger.

Even better...This list still amazes me2006 1 12 Haloti Ngata DT Oregon 2005 1 22 Mark Clayton WR Oklahoma 2004 wasted moving up to get Boller2003 1 10 Terrell Suggs DE Arizona State "" "" 1 19 Kyle Boller QB California 2002 1 24 Edward Reed DB Miami (FL) 2001 1 31 Todd Heap TE Arizona State 2000 1 5 Jamal Lewis RB Tennessee "" "" 1 10 Travis Taylor WR Florida 1999 1 10 Chris McAlister DB Arizona 1998 1 10 Duane Starks DB Miami (FL) 1997 1 4 Peter Boulware DE Florida State 1996 1 4 Jonathan Ogden T UCLA "" "" 1 26 Ray Lewis LB Miami (FL) The only bust was reaching for Boller.Getting 2 HOFers in the same draft is a nice way to start a "new" franchise

 

[Shooter McGavin]

1997 #5 Bryant Westbrook - See Terry Fair. Only 15 spots higher.

Westbrook was turning into a really good player before he blew out his achilles. He probably would have made the pro bowl that year.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

The Ravens list is amazing but two #1s for Boller is just brutal. I'd forgotten about that.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

The Ravens list is amazing but two #1s for Boller is just brutal. I'd forgotten about that.

Technically it was the 2003 2nd rounder and the 2004 1st to get the 2nd #1 in 2003. But embarrassing either way.

 

[Sheriff66]

The Ravens list is amazing but two #1s for Boller is just brutal. I'd forgotten about that.

What's worse is when the kid FINALLY starts to show some promise at the end of last year, they yank the rug out from under him and bring in a vet...

 

[bostonfred]

I don't know if you can get much better than this over the last seven years:

2006 Lawrence Maroney

2005 Logan Mankins

2004 Vince Wilfok/Ben Watson

2003 Ty Warren

2002 Daniel Graham

2001 Richard Seymour

2000 traded to Jets for rights to Bill Belichick

 

[comfortably numb]

I don't know if you can get much better than this over the last seven years:2006 Lawrence Maroney2005 Logan Mankins2004 Vince Wilfok/Ben Watson2003 Ty Warren2002 Daniel Graham2001 Richard Seymour2000 traded to Jets for rights to Bill Belichick

Id rather have the Raven draft

 

[bostonfred]

I don't know if you can get much better than this over the last seven years:2006 Lawrence Maroney2005 Logan Mankins2004 Vince Wilfok/Ben Watson2003 Ty Warren2002 Daniel Graham2001 Richard Seymour2000 traded to Jets for rights to Bill Belichick

Id rather have the Raven draft

Not since 2000. I think most people would trade Todd Heap for Watson and Graham. I think Edward Reed, Terrell Suggs and Ngata for a line of Seymour, Wilfork and Warren is a fairly even trade. Which leaves the question, would you rather have Jamal Lewis, Mark Clayton and Kyle Boller or Maroney and Bill Belichick?

 

[Limp Ditka]

15 years of Bears picks

1991 - Stan Thomas(22): Ditka said that he was the biggest piece of crap he'd ever laid eyes on. Probably the straw that broke his back in regards to coaching the Bears

1992 - Alonzo Spellman(22): Just a specimen coming out of college.

1993 - Curtis Conway (7): Ended up having some moments, as long as it was above 50 degrees out. To think that Willie Roaf and Brad Hopkins were on the board at the time

1994 - John Theiry (11): I had a theory about this pick from day one, that he would suck. I was not wrong

1995 - Rashaan Salaam(21): I once had a football career, but then I got high

1996 - Walt Harris (13): Servicable at best. 2/3 of the earth is covered by water, the other 1/3 was supposed to be covered by Walt Harris. It didn't happen. This one ended up being a disaster. Other 1st round picks still on the board @ 13 - Eddie George, Marvin Harrison, Eric Moulds, Ray Lewis

1997 - Traded #1 Pick (6) To Seattle For Rick ####### Mirer: Doesn't even make the team in 98. The dumbest move in the history of Bears Football. #6 ended up being Walter Jones.

1998 - Curtis Enis (5): Helps keep the Penn State RB are busts bandwagon going.

1999 - Cade McNown (12): Traded down from 7 to 12 and take another insta-bust. Picks 7 - 11 are Champ Bailey, Chris Claiborne, Chris McCallister, Daunte Cullpepper. There's about 15 pro bowls there. Cade McNown started about 15 games. What a disaster.

2000 - Brian Urlacher (9): Blind squirel, meet nut.

2001 - David Terrell (8): I saw him on draft day and thought we had drafted the second coming of Micheal Irvin. Of course it ended up being 98% wardrobe, 2% game

2002 - Mark Columbo (29): Probably wasn't a tertrbile pick, but nasty knee injury ended his career real quick.

2003 - Micheal Haynes (14) / Rex Grossman (22): Still wish they stayed at 4 and took Leftwich. Haynes was just another bust. Hope this is the year Rex finally stays healthy and proves something.

2004 - Tommy Harris (14): Looks to be a good pick. A monster in the interior of the D Line.

2005 - Cedric Benson (4): Still don't understand this pick, thought there were other needs. Its still too early to tell.

2006 - No 1st round pick

 

[VaCatFan]

Carolina Panthers:

95- K. Collins/Ty. Poole

96- T. Biakabutuka - injury killed any chance he had

97- R. Carruth - killing his baby's mama killed any chance he had :X

98- J. Peters - yeah, who dat? :X

99- traded to Washington in the Sean Gilbert fiasco (they traded down and got Champ Bailey)

00- R. Anderson We need a frownie with a dope needle for this guy. :X

01- D. Morgan Can't miss prospect who can't stay on the field. need a walking wounded frownie for him

02- J. Peppers

03- J. Gross top 10 pick who plays like a late rounder. Soft, no fire. Maybe he'll get better.

04- C. Gamble

05- T. Davis I think he'd be better as a weakside lb, but Fox knows best /shrug

06- D. Williams maybe- yet to be determined, but looked good last week.

 

[Isotopes]

Don't have the picks off hand, but read recently about the debacle the Titans have had through the draft....which makes sense for a team in shambles. Anyone know there picks?

 

[doughboydeluxe]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you... the 1993-2001 Dallas Cowboys Draft!

2001 - Traded to Seattle for Joey Galloway - #7 selection (Andre Carter) - the Cowboys took Quincy Carter with their 2nd round pick :X

2000 - Traded to Seattle for Joey Galloway - #19 selection (Shaun Alexander)

1999 - Ebenezer Ekuban (traded up from #22 to #20) -

1998 - Greg Ellis - not a bad player, but not what you hope for in the #8 slot - could have been Randy Moss, among others

1997 - David LaFleur (#22) :X

1996 - Traded down from #30 to #37 to select Kavika Pittman - players selected between 30 and 37 include Tony Brackens, Amani Toomer, Mike Alstott, and Laywer Milloy

1995 - Traded down from 28 to 41 to 46 to take Sherman Williams - #28 ended up being Derrick Brooks

1994 - Shante Carver

1993 - Traded down from 29 - first pick was 46 - Kevin Williams

When the best player you took in 9 first rounds was Greg Ellis, something has gone terribly wrong. Of course 1988, 1989, and 1990 were Irvin, Aikman, and Emmitt, which isn't too bad.

 

[turkishkamel]

2006 #9 Ernie Simms - so far so good, but way too soon to tell.

2005 #10 Mike Williams - has managed to play his way from 10th pick to the inactive list in just a year. What a stud.

2004 #7 Roy Williams - stud in the making, but hasn't quite lived up to his potential.

#30 Kevin Jones - seems to have talent but has only produced in spurts. Some blame goes to the line, some to him.

2003 #2 Charles Rodgers - This one went up in smoke.

2002 #3 Joey Harrington - Ugh.

2001 #18 Jeff Backus - solid, steady producer on the line, although overrated by many.

2000 #20 Stocker McDougle - was becoming an ok player before he left, but by no means living up to his draft status.

1999 #9 Chris Claiborne - great player for the division rival Vikings.

#27 Aaron Gibson - Hi, I'm Bobby Ross, and I think the only criteria to look for when drafting offensive linemen is weight

1998 #20 Terry Fair - Good and bad. The bad was that he sucked something awful. The good was that he always hurt so we usually didn't have to see it.

1997 #5 Bryant Westbrook - See Terry Fair. Only 15 spots higher.

1996 #17 Reggie Brown - Awesome player. One of the Lions best picks ever. At least until he broke his neck.

#23 Jeff Hartings - We made a good pick. We did a good job developing him. And then we watched him dominate. For Pittsburgh.

westbrook was having an all pro year before destroying his achillies tendon, he was never the same after. injuries can't be predicted and that one hurt, westbrook was on his way.