Detroit passing on Quinn ? (1 Viewer)

[ptsteelers]

Why do a lot of mocks have Detroit not taking Quinn with the second OA?

Now, I'm not blown away by him, but would they really pass him up given their situation at QB? Kitna is getting older by the minute (aren't we all), and I think putting Quinn on the bench for a year COULD help the kid.

Is their need greater elsewhere? Or are they just going to wait until a later round and grab someone else?

Just curious, for I don't know too much about Detroits roster

Thanks

 

[Team Smokin']

It is both in Detroit. Yes, there is a greater need in A LOT of areas

Now, Millen has one more shot, picking a big name first round pick, paying a lot of money have not served him, or the team, not to mention the Fords, well, yet. Have they gone to the well too many times, only to come up empty?

Yes, Detroit can use a top QB. One to groom, unless they are ready, and most are not. Kitna would be fine to study under.

I'm sure they are weighing all there options, as we all scrutinize their decision.

 

[3C's]

Bigger needs elsewhere. Quinn isn't worthy of the #2 pick. Kitna has a few years left in him. They can get a qb later, in free agency or in future years when the qb class is better. Maybe they Brohm next year when they once again have a high draft pick.

 

[BGP]

Try this theory. Millen might be getting one more season to turn things around with the Lions. If so, maybe you don't take a QB in the first round since they are usually projects that take several years. Millen doesn't have several years. He needs an impact player right now.

I think it would be interesting to research that theory. Look at the drafts of GMs on the hot seat and see if you can spot a trend with their first-round pick.

 

[lions327]

Try this theory. Millen might be getting one more season to turn things around with the Lions. If so, maybe you don't take a QB in the first round since they are usually projects that take several years. Millen doesn't have several years. He needs an impact player right now.I think it would be interesting to research that theory. Look at the drafts of GMs on the hot seat and see if you can spot a trend with their first-round pick.

 

[ptsteelers]

Try this theory. Millen might be getting one more season to turn things around with the Lions. If so, maybe you don't take a QB in the first round since they are usually projects that take several years. Millen doesn't have several years. He needs an impact player right now.I think it would be interesting to research that theory. Look at the drafts of GMs on the hot seat and see if you can spot a trend with their first-round pick.

Nice point.But wouldn't they try for Petterson then?Most mocks I have seen it is a OL or DL, which don't get me wrong, can be impact players, but not as much to the casual fan who sees "impact" being yards gained.If ya follow me.Still, a very nice point, I didn't think about.

 

[Team Smokin']

Try this theory. Millen might be getting one more season to turn things around with the Lions. If so, maybe you don't take a QB in the first round since they are usually projects that take several years. Millen doesn't have several years. He needs an impact player right now.I think it would be interesting to research that theory. Look at the drafts of GMs on the hot seat and see if you can spot a trend with their first-round pick.

Excellent thought. Hot seat pick coming up for the Lions. Too bad it has to boil down to saving one's ###. As in Jack-###. I know that word is okay to use in media language being a former sports radio personality. Regardless, Millen's ### is on the line. I can't believe how dumb the Ford's are in keeping this hot tempered ningcumpoop?

 

[FunkyPlutos]

If Kevin Jones comes back healthy, they have people at the skill positions to perform on the offensive side of the ball. We've seen what the Saints did this year, so I think teams are thinking in the short term now. They need to fill a NEED which is on either line.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Try this theory. Millen might be getting one more season to turn things around with the Lions. If so, maybe you don't take a QB in the first round since they are usually projects that take several years. Millen doesn't have several years. He needs an impact player right now.I think it would be interesting to research that theory. Look at the drafts of GMs on the hot seat and see if you can spot a trend with their first-round pick.

This one would be easy to research. I'll probably look into it when things get slow around here.Last year it was often argued that Fisher and Green would not draft QBs for this very same "hotseat better win now" reasoning. Both drafted QBs because it was the right thing to do (though Denny may have served Warner well by drafting OL). If it looks like the right thing to do, even Millen will draft a QB this year, imo. I don't think front office politics have much sway on draft day. I think the personnel department has done it's best job to suggest the best available option(s), the head coach gets input from his staff and weighs in with an opinon, and the GM makes the call based on all that input and his own consideration. From just a quick glance at the top of drafts, it there doesn't seem to be a trend of beleaguered coaches avoiding QBs. Bt maybe...

 

[whoknew]

If you've followed what the Lions say -- and what the beat writers say about them -- there doesn't seem to be any chance they take a QB. They have too many other holes, they very much like Kitna and they believe you build a team from the lines out. I expect them to try to trade down and to focus on Gaines Adams/Alan Branch/Joe Thomas.

 

[lions327]

It's kind of funny when talking about the Lions and the first round WR's 3 years in a row. This year, Calvin Johnson is about as can't miss as you see, and possibly the surest thing in the draft. I would not have a problem if he is drafted, despite the past WR issues and the other needs.

That being said, if Marinelli has more input, I think the Lions will draft a lineman of some kind. There has not been a pure pass rusher here for a long time. The offensive line has been bad for years. It starts in the trenches.

This all being said, I will go out on a limb and say we trade down with Arizona, who desperately needs offensive line help. They take Joe Thomas and we take a defensive lineman like Gaines Adams. If the Lions do stay at pick 1.2, I think they take Joe Thomas.

 

[Chaos Commish]

It almost seems tragic. They need a WR. They may have a shot at probably the best WR prospect in league history. But, they'll take Gaines Adams who will have no impact and shouldn't be drafted for about 20 picks. DEs taken in the second round will have better careers. Calvin will go on to greatness.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Kowalski has been thinking WR for a couple weeks.

The Lions are, right now, facing a bad situation with the top players being QBs, RBs, or WRs - players they don't need. (Then...)

Regarding free agency, they need a veteran WR like Kevin Curtis from St. Louis. (Then...)

Martz likes guys with speed on the outside. That's why Calvin Johnson wouldn't be awful at No. 2.

 

[Capella]

It almost seems tragic. They need a WR.

very few teams need two stud receivers like they would have if they draft calvin. I have a real hard time believing detroit doesn't have much, much, much bigger needs than a second wideout.

 

[lions327]

It almost seems tragic. They need a WR.

very few teams need two stud receivers like they would have if they draft calvin. I have a real hard time believing detroit doesn't have much, much, much bigger needs than a second wideout.

While they have bigger needs, I would never be bothered by them taking the best available player if he is as good of a prospect as Calvin Johnson.

 

[Chaos Commish]

It almost seems tragic. They need a WR.

very few teams need two stud receivers like they would have if they draft calvin. I have a real hard time believing detroit doesn't have much, much, much bigger needs than a second wideout.

Bigger needs elsewhere? Yeah barely. Not big enough to pass on CJ. Martz needs speed on the outside. He has one receiver and an offense designed for three starters. He has journeymen depth players starting and slow busts getting playing time. Detroit is about as needy as a team can be. This is a great example of why you take best available player. Maybe their biggest need is MLB. You don't take Patrick Willis with the second overall pick. You take the WR and get HB Blades later.

 

[Da Guru]

We don`t need a WR. Mike Williams came on at the end of last year, he had three catches the last game.

 

[H.K.]

We don`t need a WR. Mike Williams came on at the end of last year, he had three catches the last game.

 

[3C's]

It almost seems tragic. They need a WR.

very few teams need two stud receivers like they would have if they draft calvin. I have a real hard time believing detroit doesn't have much, much, much bigger needs than a second wideout.

But when you think of Martz, you think of the Rams. Holt and Bruce. Two stud receivers.

 

[Simris]

What evidence is there that Millen's ### is on the line? Maybe I missed something.

I know it should be, and should have been, but since when does that matter in the Lion's front office?

Seems this pick is the big wildcard in the early part of the draft.

Who makes the call on who they draft? Coach, Millen, Ford???

If I were a Lions fan I would be hoping they leave the decision up to the coach.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I don't think WR is a need for the Lions, either. Furrey had 98 catches, a thousand yards and a half dozen TDs. That's more than "serviceable".

I remember Ted Thompson took Aaron Rodgers in the '05 draft, which I thought was a terrible move for a HC on the hot seat. In less than a year, Sherman was gone. If Sherman was looking out for his own interests and had control over that pick, Rodgers would have been a poor selection.

 

[ChampBailey24]

The Lions don't need a WR. Roy Williams is a stud, Mike Furrey is a good WR2 (he had 1000+ yards last season) and Mike Williams didn't look too bad at the end of last season. Ideally, they'd trade down. If they could trade down and draft someone like Charles Johnson or Quentin Moses along with an extra 2nd round pick, that would be great.

 

[Tenacious D]

I completely agree with BGP re: Quinn. Millen doesn't have the luxury of trying to develop a early-pick franchise QB for the second time in his miserable tenure as GM. In addition, Martz never chased an elite QB prospect to execute his offense in St. Louis. McCown never really got a shot and who knows about Orlovsky, plus Kitna looked servicable, at times, in his first exposure to the complex system.

Finally you have a former DLine coach as the HC, who just hired his son-in-law as the DC. Your best end, James Hall has become increasingly injury-prone as he turns 30 while doing nothing to prove 2004 wasn't a fluke; your other DE, Cory Redding, looks better as a DT; and Kalimba Edwards, who is supposed to be the pass rush specialist, crapped the bed when he got a chance to be a full-time player after Hall went down. A stud end is huge need.

CC - don't be bashing my boy Gaines

 

[Z-Dog]

Right now, Quinn's value is at its lowest point. This is no surprise - he was beaten in his Bowl game, and Russel, Troy Smith, heck, maybe even Chris Leak have moved up and possibly past him.

But wait for the combine. All the undersized guys will take a hit, and all the 6'5" 220-240 pounders will see their stock soar. By the time Quinn puts in his pro-day practice, his stock will be very high once again, and all those mock drafts will mean nothing.

 

[whoknew]

I completely agree with BGP re: Quinn. Millen doesn't have the luxury of trying to develop a early-pick franchise QB for the second time in his miserable tenure as GM. In addition, Martz never chased an elite QB prospect to execute his offense in St. Louis. McCown never really got a shot and who knows about Orlovsky, plus Kitna looked servicable, at times, in his first exposure to the complex system.

I know nobody believes this -- but unless Martz is flat out lying -- Kitna is going to be the Lions quarterback. At one point this season, Martz said Kitna was running the offense better than Kurt Warner did in St. Louis. He blamed the receivers and the OL much, much more than Kitna.

 

[H.K.]

In ND's three losses, Quinn threw 8 TD's vs. 5 picks as a senior. He played decently, but also looked pretty exposed against high level competition.

If Russell played for ND and Quinn were in Baton Rouge, would Brady really be this hyped?

 

[Maelstrom]

I completely agree with BGP re: Quinn. Millen doesn't have the luxury of trying to develop a early-pick franchise QB for the second time in his miserable tenure as GM. In addition, Martz never chased an elite QB prospect to execute his offense in St. Louis. McCown never really got a shot and who knows about Orlovsky, plus Kitna looked servicable, at times, in his first exposure to the complex system.

I know nobody believes this -- but unless Martz is flat out lying -- Kitna is going to be the Lions quarterback. At one point this season, Martz said Kitna was running the offense better than Kurt Warner did in St. Louis. He blamed the receivers and the OL much, much more than Kitna.

This is true. All you ever heard from Marinelli and Martz was that it was not the QBs fault, and that Kitna was their guy. They did not waver on that issue all season from what I recall, and there is no reason to assume that they will waver on that come draft day. As bad as it sounds, I could see another WR if CJ is available. But I'd like to think that Marinelli will have some input and they will build the lines. Also, if it turns out Jones won't be back until late in the season, a RB is a need, although I could see them trying to address that need through FA, not the draft, as they need someone that can play immediately.

 

[ILoveMyLions]

Why do a lot of mocks have Detroit not taking Quinn with the second OA?Now, I'm not blown away by him, but would they really pass him up given their situation at QB? Kitna is getting older by the minute (aren't we all), and I think putting Quinn on the bench for a year COULD help the kid.Is their need greater elsewhere? Or are they just going to wait until a later round and grab someone else?Just curious, for I don't know too much about Detroits rosterThanks

I would say that most mocks on sites I've seen have the Lions taking Quinn, which couldn't be more wrong. They would take C Johnson before they take Quinn. Whenever I see Quinn going in a mock to the Lions, it almost invalidates the mock because it changes so many things in the top ten. The Lions needs are DE, MLB, RT, OG and CB. They will not draft a QB that high...

 

[Chaos Commish]

CC - don't be bashing my boy Gaines

I gave the Lions Russell in my last mock, right after the BCS Game. I agree that's wrong and Kitna is secure there while they patch up other leaks. Certainly the Lions will draft a QB from these next two pretty solid crops, but not a first rounder this year. Okay, I won't bash Gaines Adams. I might literally laugh out loud if the Lions take him 2nd overall, but I won't bash him.

 

[Da Guru]

I would rather have Russell over Quinn given the choice. Kitna has a couple of good years left in him.

The problem is the Lions need more players now. Drafting any QB who can`t come in and play will not help this team. If the Lions could trade down and add three players that can help it would be a wise choice.

 

[boubucarow]

In ND's three losses, Quinn threw 8 TD's vs. 5 picks as a senior. He played decently, but also looked pretty exposed against high level competition. If Russell played for ND and Quinn were in Baton Rouge, would Brady really be this hyped?

Probably more so draftwise, Quinn would have most likely won his bowl game due to superior talent surrounding him.

 

[SofaKings]

Kitna is a serviceable QB if he has a decent OL in front of him. I don't think Thomas from Wisconsin is the answer though. Still have memories of Aaron Gibson.

 

[SofaKings]

I think Detroit goes OL, DL, QB in first 3 rds.

 

[WhoDat]

The Lions history with drafting and or signing QB is horrible. There last few draft first rounders...save Roy and E. Sims...have not produced. That includes Harrington. Fans are at their walk away point. The Lions need a player that can produce to help alleviate some of the tension between the fan base and franchise.

The Lions cannot afford waiting for a QB to develop. That situation is currently being worked through due to the failed Harrington experience. There is already a fair amount of money tied up into the position...see Kitna and McNown...and #2 overall money to a future QB will temporarily and, perhaps, over a long period of time financially limit the team. That is a lot of money tied up into your 1, 2 and 3 QB. The team needs a player that can impact the W column now not 2-3 seasons down the road. Remove the QB pick at #2.

It is a shame...a huge (blanking) shame...that team has the #2 overall pick; has so many needs and the best two players available are a WR and RB, which would be Johnson and Peterson respectively. As a Lions fan, I expect nothing less and I really hope they head into the draft with a game plan or purpose. They have to hit on this pick and it is going to be sickening to see them bypass Johnson and Peterson, while landing a player that makes sense but is nowhere near as talented.

This is about as bad as it can get for a franchise.

 

[King of the Jungle]

The Lions history with drafting and or signing QB is horrible. There last few draft first rounders...save Roy and E. Sims...have not produced. That includes Harrington. Fans are at their walk away point. The Lions need a player that can produce to help alleviate some of the tension between the fan base and franchise. The Lions cannot afford waiting for a QB to develop. That situation is currently being worked through due to the failed Harrington experience. There is already a fair amount of money tied up into the position...see Kitna and McNown...and #2 overall money to a future QB will temporarily and, perhaps, over a long period of time financially limit the team. That is a lot of money tied up into your 1, 2 and 3 QB. The team needs a player that can impact the W column now not 2-3 seasons down the road. Remove the QB pick at #2. It is a shame...a huge (blanking) shame...that team has the #2 overall pick; has so many needs and the best two players available are a WR and RB, which would be Johnson and Peterson respectively. As a Lions fan, I expect nothing less and I really hope they head into the draft with a game plan or purpose. They have to hit on this pick and it is going to be sickening to see them bypass Johnson and Peterson, while landing a player that makes sense but is nowhere near as talented. This is about as bad as it can get for a franchise.

Beautifully put, from a fellow Lion's fan.

 

[wannabee]

The Lions history with drafting and or signing QB is horrible. There last few draft first rounders...save Roy and E. Sims...have not produced. That includes Harrington. Fans are at their walk away point. The Lions need a player that can produce to help alleviate some of the tension between the fan base and franchise. The Lions cannot afford waiting for a QB to develop. That situation is currently being worked through due to the failed Harrington experience. There is already a fair amount of money tied up into the position...see Kitna and McNown...and #2 overall money to a future QB will temporarily and, perhaps, over a long period of time financially limit the team. That is a lot of money tied up into your 1, 2 and 3 QB. The team needs a player that can impact the W column now not 2-3 seasons down the road. Remove the QB pick at #2. It is a shame...a huge (blanking) shame...that team has the #2 overall pick; has so many needs and the best two players available are a WR and RB, which would be Johnson and Peterson respectively. As a Lions fan, I expect nothing less and I really hope they head into the draft with a game plan or purpose. They have to hit on this pick and it is going to be sickening to see them bypass Johnson and Peterson, while landing a player that makes sense but is nowhere near as talented. This is about as bad as it can get for a franchise.

I see the best option as the Lions taking Calvin Johnsin. He and Roy Williams would gve the Lions two young WRs that might be second to none. KJones is still 24 years old. Martz seems to think he can turn any QB into a decent QB ... just look at what he has done with Kitna.CJ is the choice, imo, without a doubt. The Lions seem to not want to pay Furrey WR2 money and there is little other WR choices inhouse.

 

[-OZ-]

If Russell played for ND and Quinn were in Baton Rouge, would Brady really be this hyped?

No, but that's exactly the reason Quinn is considered by some to be the best pro prospect. Not so much Notre Dame, but Charlie Weiss. NFL scouts and GMs have more respect for his player development than probably any other coach, save for maybe Pete Carroll. This may not be deserved, but it's the widely held perception.

 

[Sinrman]

The more I think about it, the more I think the Lions will be gunshy about going QB or WR this year. Granted with Millen STILL there ( ), there's no telling. But overall they have severely pissed off the fans as a whole, so going with one of those two will cause a revolt. I think they'll either try and trade down or go with the safe pick and go OL.

 

[Kal El]

Why do a lot of mocks have Detroit not taking Quinn with the second OA?Now, I'm not blown away by him, but would they really pass him up given their situation at QB? Kitna is getting older by the minute (aren't we all), and I think putting Quinn on the bench for a year COULD help the kid.Is their need greater elsewhere? Or are they just going to wait until a later round and grab someone else?Just curious, for I don't know too much about Detroits rosterThanks

I would say that most mocks on sites I've seen have the Lions taking Quinn, which couldn't be more wrong. They would take C Johnson before they take Quinn. Whenever I see Quinn going in a mock to the Lions, it almost invalidates the mock because it changes so many things in the top ten. The Lions needs are DE, MLB, RT, OG and CB. They will not draft a QB that high...

And LG, LT, C, DT LB, S, the list goes on and on. The Lions have too many holes to fix with just one draft, and the fact they have complete morons in charge over there means Lions fans are in for a looooong wait before 8-8 finally makes it back.

 

[Marc Levin]

It almost seems tragic. They need a WR.

very few teams need two stud receivers like they would have if they draft calvin. I have a real hard time believing detroit doesn't have much, much, much bigger needs than a second wideout.

Bigger needs elsewhere? Yeah barely. Not big enough to pass on CJ.

I think his point is that drafting a second stud WR (ala AZ) is less important than drafting a line player and making serious improvement (ala the NY Jets).I don't necessarily agree, I just think he has a viable point and it makes sense - esp. with a team that has already made significant first round investments at WR. I think they are best off drafting CJ and trading him away if they can find a partner.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

I see the best option as the Lions taking Calvin Johnsin. He and Roy Williams would gve the Lions two young WRs that might be second to none. KJones is still 24 years old. Martz seems to think he can turn any QB into a decent QB ... just look at what he has done with Kitna.

CJ is the choice, imo, without a doubt. The Lions seem to not want to pay Furrey WR2 money and there is little other WR choices inhouse.

This is the key...Furrey is a FA, so if they don't sign him that is a good indication of how their draft will go.

 

[matuski]

I see the best option as the Lions taking Calvin Johnsin. He and Roy Williams would gve the Lions two young WRs that might be second to none. KJones is still 24 years old. Martz seems to think he can turn any QB into a decent QB ... just look at what he has done with Kitna.

CJ is the choice, imo, without a doubt. The Lions seem to not want to pay Furrey WR2 money and there is little other WR choices inhouse.

This is the key...Furrey is a FA, so if they don't sign him that is a good indication of how their draft will go.

#2 WRs are a dime a dozen are they not?

 

[Arm Chair Express]

Why do a lot of mocks have Detroit not taking Quinn with the second OA?Now, I'm not blown away by him, but would they really pass him up given their situation at QB? Kitna is getting older by the minute (aren't we all), and I think putting Quinn on the bench for a year COULD help the kid.Is their need greater elsewhere? Or are they just going to wait until a later round and grab someone else?Just curious, for I don't know too much about Detroits rosterThanks

The last time the Lions drafted a QB with this mentality they drafted a guy named Joey Harrington. Enough said!

 

[H.K.]

If Russell played for ND and Quinn were in Baton Rouge, would Brady really be this hyped?

No, but that's exactly the reason Quinn is considered by some to be the best pro prospect. Not so much Notre Dame, but Charlie Weiss. NFL scouts and GMs have more respect for his player development than probably any other coach, save for maybe Pete Carroll. This may not be deserved, but it's the widely held perception.

Excellent point, plenty of merit. I think Quinn is one of those "paper prospects" who has the measurables & pedigree but not really the intangibles to spend the #2 pick on him this season.

 

[Da Guru]

I kind of want the Lions to draft Calvin just the see all the pundits go crazy that we took another WR.

The reality is that CJ seems to be a "can`t miss" type of player. Mike Willams and Rogers both brought some baggage with them

 

[WhoDat]

The Lions history with drafting and or signing QB is horrible. There last few draft first rounders...save Roy and E. Sims...have not produced. That includes Harrington. Fans are at their walk away point. The Lions need a player that can produce to help alleviate some of the tension between the fan base and franchise. The Lions cannot afford waiting for a QB to develop. That situation is currently being worked through due to the failed Harrington experience. There is already a fair amount of money tied up into the position...see Kitna and McNown...and #2 overall money to a future QB will temporarily and, perhaps, over a long period of time financially limit the team. That is a lot of money tied up into your 1, 2 and 3 QB. The team needs a player that can impact the W column now not 2-3 seasons down the road. Remove the QB pick at #2. It is a shame...a huge (blanking) shame...that team has the #2 overall pick; has so many needs and the best two players available are a WR and RB, which would be Johnson and Peterson respectively. As a Lions fan, I expect nothing less and I really hope they head into the draft with a game plan or purpose. They have to hit on this pick and it is going to be sickening to see them bypass Johnson and Peterson, while landing a player that makes sense but is nowhere near as talented. This is about as bad as it can get for a franchise.

I see the best option as the Lions taking Calvin Johnsin. He and Roy Williams would gve the Lions two young WRs that might be second to none. KJones is still 24 years old. Martz seems to think he can turn any QB into a decent QB ... just look at what he has done with Kitna.CJ is the choice, imo, without a doubt. The Lions seem to not want to pay Furrey WR2 money and there is little other WR choices inhouse.

In theory CJ is far better at his position than, well, anyone else in the draft. Now, does that mean he goes #1 overall? No, it does not. In theory should he go #1? It depends on the team and that team's philosophy and the value proposition they place upon talent and need. However, I believe he would be the right pick for the Lions. In a strict technical sense he is the best player available to that team with the #2 pick. Does that mean they take him? No, it does not. However, CJ is a far greater pro prospect at his position than Thomas is at OL or Gaines is at DE or Quinn is at QB. The only other player that I would put into the CJ tier would be Peterson at RB and he, Peterson, would be rated lower. The Lions bypassing on each or failing to move down, which rarely happens outside of the hypothetical world of draftniks or Madden, is leaving a LARGE amount of money on the table. Furrey was a nice story. He is what can be or is right about a professional athlete. However, he is 30-31 and was a product of a bad situation and the offense. The team employees a pass first offense and was playing from behind almost the entire year. The football was thrown often and somebody has to catch it especially when coverage is rolled Roy Williams' way on every down. God knows Mike Williams' was useless until Week 17. Anyway, the situation is clouded by circumstances. Furrey, who is somebody I like watching, is not necessarily the answer and benefitted a great deal from the dysfunction of the Lions. He is a valuable player to have on a team but not someone you build around. Guys at pick #2, though, are foundation players and you better take someone that is going to win you games not help you win, as there is a difference. The more I write or think about this situation the more frustrating it becomes. This franchise has become mid to late 90's Bengals; 90's Cardinals; inception to late 80's Saints; 80's Buccaneers bad, which is saying something. It takes a lot of wasted opportunity; misappropriation of talent and lack of organization to be that bad. This really blows.

 

[turkishkamel]

I see the best option as the Lions taking Calvin Johnsin. He and Roy Williams would gve the Lions two young WRs that might be second to none. KJones is still 24 years old. Martz seems to think he can turn any QB into a decent QB ... just look at what he has done with Kitna.

CJ is the choice, imo, without a doubt. The Lions seem to not want to pay Furrey WR2 money and there is little other WR choices inhouse.

This is the key...Furrey is a FA, so if they don't sign him that is a good indication of how their draft will go.

#2 WRs are a dime a dozen are they not?

exactly. mike furrey had near 100 catches for over 1000 yds. martz can find a reveiver he knows will fit his system. CJ is an elite talent, trading down just makes more sense. especially if there are teams itching to get CJ.

The Lions history with drafting and or signing QB is horrible. There last few draft first rounders...save Roy and E. Sims...have not produced. That includes Harrington. Fans are at their walk away point. The Lions need a player that can produce to help alleviate some of the tension between the fan base and franchise.

The Lions cannot afford waiting for a QB to develop. That situation is currently being worked through due to the failed Harrington experience. There is already a fair amount of money tied up into the position...see Kitna and McNown...and #2 overall money to a future QB will temporarily and, perhaps, over a long period of time financially limit the team. That is a lot of money tied up into your 1, 2 and 3 QB. The team needs a player that can impact the W column now not 2-3 seasons down the road. Remove the QB pick at #2.

It is a shame...a huge (blanking) shame...that team has the #2 overall pick; has so many needs and the best two players available are a WR and RB, which would be Johnson and Peterson respectively. As a Lions fan, I expect nothing less and I really hope they head into the draft with a game plan or purpose. They have to hit on this pick and it is going to be sickening to see them bypass Johnson and Peterson, while landing a player that makes sense but is nowhere near as talented.

This is about as bad as it can get for a franchise.

so true. so sad.

 

[trader jake]

The Lions will be drafting in the top 5 next year. They can select their franchise QB then.

 

[aposulli]

I see the best option as the Lions taking Calvin Johnsin. He and Roy Williams would gve the Lions two young WRs that might be second to none. KJones is still 24 years old. Martz seems to think he can turn any QB into a decent QB ... just look at what he has done with Kitna.

CJ is the choice, imo, without a doubt. The Lions seem to not want to pay Furrey WR2 money and there is little other WR choices inhouse.

This is the key...Furrey is a FA, so if they don't sign him that is a good indication of how their draft will go.

#2 WRs are a dime a dozen are they not?

exactly. mike furrey had near 100 catches for over 1000 yds. martz can find a reveiver he knows will fit his system. CJ is an elite talent, trading down just makes more sense. especially if there are teams itching to get CJ.

The Lions history with drafting and or signing QB is horrible. There last few draft first rounders...save Roy and E. Sims...have not produced. That includes Harrington. Fans are at their walk away point. The Lions need a player that can produce to help alleviate some of the tension between the fan base and franchise.

The Lions cannot afford waiting for a QB to develop. That situation is currently being worked through due to the failed Harrington experience. There is already a fair amount of money tied up into the position...see Kitna and McNown...and #2 overall money to a future QB will temporarily and, perhaps, over a long period of time financially limit the team. That is a lot of money tied up into your 1, 2 and 3 QB. The team needs a player that can impact the W column now not 2-3 seasons down the road. Remove the QB pick at #2.

It is a shame...a huge (blanking) shame...that team has the #2 overall pick; has so many needs and the best two players available are a WR and RB, which would be Johnson and Peterson respectively. As a Lions fan, I expect nothing less and I really hope they head into the draft with a game plan or purpose. They have to hit on this pick and it is going to be sickening to see them bypass Johnson and Peterson, while landing a player that makes sense but is nowhere near as talented.

This is about as bad as it can get for a franchise.

so true. so sad.

Lions re-signed Furrey... Calvin Johnson looking unlikely.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2740972

 

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More evidence that there's zero chance the Lions will take a QB in the first round:

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Lions looking to fill many holes

Martz says team needs 'everything'

January 24, 2007

BY SHAWN WINDSOR

FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER

MOBILE, ALA. -- For two days now, Lions position coaches and coordinators have watched some of the best college seniors in the country go at each other in the lead-up to Saturday's Senior Bowl.

The week of practices and the game have become a convention of sorts for the NFL coaching fraternity, where handshakes and cell phone numbers are exchanged and deals are brokered as assistants move from team to team. The Lions are using the week to, among other things, talk to candidates for offensive line coach.



Senior Bowl week is also the first real chance teams have to begin evaluating players. So far, the Lions brass is tight-lipped about whom the team will take in this year's draft.

"We're looking at everybody," said the team's new defensive coordinator, Joe Barry.

So what does the team need?

"Everything," offensive coordinator Mike Martz said, "except for a quarterback."

Martz did say that a couple of team officials, including Matt Millen, took Wisconsin tackle Joe Thomas to dinner Monday night.

The 6-foot-7, 310-pound tackle was scheduled to play Saturday but pulled out, telling Senior Bowl officials he wasn't in playing shape. He is expected to be a top-five pick.

Aside from Thomas, the Lions didn't drop any names. Both Barry and Martz did say, however, that above all else they are looking for speed.

"Guys that can run," Martz said. "We need more speed, more receivers, backs."

Martz said he was happy with the way the team finished the year and is confident the system he put in place won't be a distraction next season.

"That transition has been made," he said.

He said he saw signs this past season of the explosiveness his teams were known for in St. Louis.

"I thought at the end of the year we started to play like Rod wants us to," he said. "Changing the attitude was the big deal. We lost at the end to New England, to Chicago. We beat Dallas. Our guys gained a lot of confidence for next year."

The other element is health. The Lions had three backs, most notably Kevin Jones, and five offensive linemen hit injured reserve. The team was thin at receiver, which is why Martz said finding more is a priority for him. He also said that those returning at the position can improve.

"Roy had a pretty good year, but he was up and down, too," he said. "He can get a lot better."

Martz said the most pressing issue going into next season is running the ball inside the red zone. In order to consistently score touchdowns, he said, "you have to be able to run the ball effectively down there."

"Of course you need those kind of people to do that," he said.

It is just one more thing to look at this week in south Alabama.