Detroit WR situation (1 Viewer)

[Assani Fisher]

I did a quick search for "Williams" and found nothing posted today about this. Forgive me if its a honda...

Dealing away former No. 3 overall pick Joey Harrington for some belly-button lint was bad, but Detroit Lions fans had better be bracing for some more hand-wringing. Word is offensive coordinator Mike Martz isn't enamored with former first-rounders Charles Rogers and Mike Williams, and that neither will be in the top-three rotation at wideout when training camp begins. While Williams has time to turn around concerns about weight and dedication, the situation is getting dire for Rogers, who could be headed for the trading block in the coming weeks.

That brings to mind the mediocre reality of the first three drafts of the Matt Millen regime. Given the minimal three-year waiting period for assessment, Millen's first three drafts – which should account for the core of Detroit's roster – have left a lot to be desired. Of the 26 players selected between 2001 and 2003, 11 are still with the team. And of that 11, only defensive tackle Shaun Rogers has materialized as a Pro Bowl player. Of the three first-round picks in that span, Harrington has been traded, Rogers is headed in the same direction and tackle Jeff Backus is in stalemated negotiations for a contract extension.

 

[PennState-JD]

at what point will the board embrace Scottie Vines? Martz motivational ploy for Mike Williams or does Vines have a shot at being seriously undervalued?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

pretty sure this is a honda

DET WR pecking order:

RoyWill

Bradford

Chuck/BMW survivor

Vines

Furrey

 

[wannabee]

Lions | Drummond works with third-team offense (KFFL) Tom Kowalski, of mLive.com, reports Detroit Lions WR Eddie Drummond worked with the third-team offense at wide receiver during the team's organized activity Wednesday, May 31. Wed May 31 4:22:00 p.m. ET 2006

Lions | Rogers works with third-team offense (KFFL) Tom Kowalski, of mLive.com, reports Detroit Lions WR Charles Rogers worked with the third-team offense at wide receiver during the team's organized activity Wednesday, May 31. Wed May 31 4:21:00 p.m. ET 2006

Lions | Furrey works with second-team offense (KFFL) Tom Kowalski, of mLive.com, reports Detroit Lions WR Mike Furrey worked with the second-team offense at wide receiver during the team's organized activity Wednesday, May 31. Wed May 31 4:20:00 p.m. ET 2006

Lions | Martinez works with second-team offense (KFFL) Tom Kowalski, of mLive.com, reports Detroit Lions WR Glenn Martinez worked with the second-team offense at wide receiver during the team's organized activity Wednesday, May 31. Wed May 31 4:19:00 p.m. ET 2006

Lions | Bradford works with first-team offense (KFFL) Tom Kowalski, of mLive.com, reports Detroit Lions WR Corey Bradford worked with the first-team offense at wide receiver during the team's organized activity Wednesday, May 31. Wed May 31 4:18:00 p.m. ET 2006

Lions | R. Williams works with first-team offense (KFFL) Tom Kowalski, of mLive.com, reports Detroit Lions WR Roy E. Williams worked with the first-team offense at wide receiver during the team's organized activity Wednesday, May 31. Wed May 31 4:17:00 p.m. ET 2006

Lions | M. Williams misses OTA (KFFL) Tom Kowalski, of mLive.com, reports Detroit Lions WR Mike Williams (unknown) did not participate in the team's organized activity Wednesday, May 31, due to a minor injury. Wed May 31 4:16:00 p.m. ET 2006

Lions | Vines misses OTA (KFFL) Tom Kowalski, of mLive.com, reports Detroit Lions WR Scottie Vines (unknown) did not participate in the team's organized activity Wednesday, May 31, due to a minor injury. Wed May 31 4:15:00 p.m. ET 2006

 

[LHUCKS]

why is this shocking...I've been drafting Bradford in survivors for months now.

 

[Z-Dog]

If anything, I think the undervalued guy here is Corey Bradford.

Most new regimes like to bring in a hard-working vet to just about every grouping. Bradford is my bet for who will line up next to Roy Williams, but I also believe that Mike Williams will be the #2 in Detroit by the end of the season. It's all nice and good to be pissed off about the former regime, but nobody sheds three high #1s for essentially nothing in one offseason. Rogers may go, but BMW will not.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

12.06 - Charles Rogers

I thought he might last until my next pick... I think he has a real possibility of producing under the new coaching regime. The kid has really had NO leadership so this could produce a 60 - 700 and 6 season.

bicycle_seat_sniffer  Today, 02:24 PM Post #3  Smells like chickenGroup: MembersJoined: 17-December 03From: detroitMember No.: 9602 Early word around Detroit is that Rogers is not doing well to pick up the system - Tony Ortiz am 1270, Lions insider, confirmed by Tom Kowalski as well.Rogers will be lucky to be a lion coming trainging camp

Yep early word around town is Rogers is strugglin. Remeber too the Lions are trying to get a big chunk of his signing bonus back.

His value where Lhucks got him is good though.

Posted two months ago. BMW while his weight has been reported down, is having issues with the system as well. I can't see both getting cut, but considering Chuck is one more strike away from a year suspension and the roster bonus issue. I could see Chuck out and Mike staying on.

 

[noneother]

well, maybe Martz can become the GM?!?!?!

 

[hoofnstang]

pretty sure this is a honda

What exactly does this mean?

 

[wannabee]

pretty sure this is a honda

What exactly does this mean?

short answer is: duplicate post to a recent post in the Shark Pool and this poster is too lazy to use search function.

 

[amnesiac]

pretty sure this is a honda

What exactly does this mean?

you don't want to know.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

pretty sure this is a honda

What exactly does this mean?

FFA FAQWelcome to the boards.

 

[DocGonzo]

Full Disclosure: Lions Homer here.

This should maybe be a question for a spin off thread. Sorry if it's viewed as a hijack, but:

I'm a little concerned about how much sway Martz will have in shaping the future of this roster. It's been said many times since he was hired that he might only be here for 1, maybe 2 years. Do Lions fans really want to see a guy who appears to be a hit and run here have a ton of say in jettisoning a pair of first round picks?

BMW gets at least another year to develop, and there's no question Charles is clinging to his career by his teeth (it certainly isn't with his hands), but I'm not real comfortable with a guy who might not be here himself next year making to many decisions that will affect future rosters.

 

[Traders2001]

Bradford is worthless, cmon .

 

[LHUCKS]

Bradford is worthless, cmon .

do you know what his ADP is?

 

[John Mamula]

Bradford is worthless, cmon .

do you know what his ADP is?

very low.

 

[Jackal]

Latest News May. 25, 2006 - 11:23 pm et

Lions offensive coordinator Mike Martz was "blown away" by Mike Williams's quickness.

"He surprised me," Martz said. "He has way more ability than I thought he did. He has very quick feet." This is mostly coachspeak, but it looks like Williams will start camp in the No. 3 receiver role. The Lions are going to be far more patient with him than Charles Rogers.

Source: CBS.Sportsline.

 

[Couch Potato]

Bradford is worthless, cmon .

do you know what his ADP is?

very low.

Right, and what it reflects is that fantasy players don't yet know what's going on in Detroit, despite what's been known for the better part of a month by those who have been doing their reading. Bradford will be the WR2 in a Martz offense. He will remain a starter because Martz needs a hard-working veteran (and Bradford has always had a good work ethic) to help implement the new system. And he will put up top-50 WR numbers.People like Traders2001 are still saying 'worthless' and the FBG staff rankings don't have Bradford listed at all, not by even one staffer, yet M Williams and C Rogers are ranked 53 and 72 respectively. Lelie, Bryant Johnson, and Rod Gardner are also ranked WRs by the staff, yet a starter in Martz' system is completely ignored. I find all of this very disappointing. It makes me feel like people aren't on the cutting edge of information analysis, but are woefully behind and stuck in past perception.

I don't really care that Williams or Rogers were drafted in the first round, or whether Bradford was a top-60 WR in Houston (for the record, he was the 54th ranked WR last year in that horrid offense). The fact is I've been (like LHUCKS) picking up Bradford in my leagues because he will have both the opportunity and system to be a top-40 to 50 WR this year, and that's far from worthless. Go ahead and fill the bottom of your rosters with guys who won't see the field. I'll take a Martz starter, thanks.

 

[John Mamula]

Bradford is worthless, cmon .

do you know what his ADP is?

very low.

Right, and what it reflects is that fantasy players don't yet know what's going on in Detroit, despite what's been known for the better part of a month by those who have been doing their reading. Bradford will be the WR2 in a Martz offense. He will remain a starter because Martz needs a hard-working veteran (and Bradford has always had a good work ethic) to help implement the new system. And he will put up top-50 WR numbers.People like Traders2001 are still saying 'worthless' and the FBG staff rankings don't have Bradford listed at all, not by even one staffer, yet M Williams and C Rogers are ranked 53 and 76 respectively. Lelie, Bryant Johnson, and Rod Gardner are also ranked WRs by the staff, yet a starter in Martz' system is completely ignored. I find all of this very disappointing. It makes me feel like people aren't on the cutting edge of information analysis, but are woefully behind and stuck in past perception.

I don't really care that Williams or Rogers were drafted in the first round, or whether Bradford was a top-60 WR in Houston (for the record, he was the 54th ranked WR last year in that horrid offense). The fact is I've been (like LHUCKS) picking up Bradford in my leagues because he will have both the opportunity and system to be a top-40 to 50 WR this year, and that's far from worthless. Go ahead and fill the bottom of your rosters with guys who won't see the field. I'll take a Martz starter, thanks.

I rank 4 WRs per team. I have R Williams, Bradford, M Williams, and Vines.

Bradford is a nice value candidate, that when combined with R Williams' injury woes may very well be the #1 WR in DET for stretches during the year.

 

[Toads]

Roy and Bradford wide with (as yet unsigned) Azhir-Hakim coming out of the slot.

Book it.

Bradford is the only WR that fits Martz "deep clear out" function. He'll spend all season going long.

 

[hoofnstang]

Bradford is worthless, cmon .

do you know what his ADP is?

very low.

Right, and what it reflects is that fantasy players don't yet know what's going on in Detroit, despite what's been known for the better part of a month by those who have been doing their reading. Bradford will be the WR2 in a Martz offense. He will remain a starter because Martz needs a hard-working veteran (and Bradford has always had a good work ethic) to help implement the new system. And he will put up top-50 WR numbers.People like Traders2001 are still saying 'worthless' and the FBG staff rankings don't have Bradford listed at all, not by even one staffer, yet M Williams and C Rogers are ranked 53 and 76 respectively. Lelie, Bryant Johnson, and Rod Gardner are also ranked WRs by the staff, yet a starter in Martz' system is completely ignored. I find all of this very disappointing. It makes me feel like people aren't on the cutting edge of information analysis, but are woefully behind and stuck in past perception.

I don't really care that Williams or Rogers were drafted in the first round, or whether Bradford was a top-60 WR in Houston (for the record, he was the 54th ranked WR last year in that horrid offense). The fact is I've been (like LHUCKS) picking up Bradford in my leagues because he will have both the opportunity and system to be a top-40 to 50 WR this year, and that's far from worthless. Go ahead and fill the bottom of your rosters with guys who won't see the field. I'll take a Martz starter, thanks.

I rank 4 WRs per team. I have R Williams, Bradford, M Williams, and Vines.

Bradford is a nice value candidate, that when combined with R Williams' injury woes may very well be the #1 WR in DET for stretches during the year.

I think this is key here, Roy's yet to stay healthy for all 16 games.

 

[Foosball God]

Roy and Bradford wide with (as yet unsigned) Azhir-Hakim coming out of the slot.

Book it.

Bradford is the only WR that fits Martz "deep clear out" function. He'll spend all season going long.

They won't be signing Hakim.

 

[WisWolvrns]

Roy and Bradford wide with (as yet unsigned) Calhoun coming out of the slot/backfield.

Book it.

Bradford is the only WR that fits Martz "deep clear out" function.  He'll spend all season going long.

They won't be signing Hakim.

fixed.

 

[V1LL]

Bradford is worthless, cmon .

do you know what his ADP is?

very low.

Right, and what it reflects is that fantasy players don't yet know what's going on in Detroit, despite what's been known for the better part of a month by those who have been doing their reading. Bradford will be the WR2 in a Martz offense. He will remain a starter because Martz needs a hard-working veteran (and Bradford has always had a good work ethic) to help implement the new system. And he will put up top-50 WR numbers.People like Traders2001 are still saying 'worthless' and the FBG staff rankings don't have Bradford listed at all, not by even one staffer, yet M Williams and C Rogers are ranked 53 and 76 respectively. Lelie, Bryant Johnson, and Rod Gardner are also ranked WRs by the staff, yet a starter in Martz' system is completely ignored. I find all of this very disappointing. It makes me feel like people aren't on the cutting edge of information analysis, but are woefully behind and stuck in past perception.

I don't really care that Williams or Rogers were drafted in the first round, or whether Bradford was a top-60 WR in Houston (for the record, he was the 54th ranked WR last year in that horrid offense). The fact is I've been (like LHUCKS) picking up Bradford in my leagues because he will have both the opportunity and system to be a top-40 to 50 WR this year, and that's far from worthless. Go ahead and fill the bottom of your rosters with guys who won't see the field. I'll take a Martz starter, thanks.

I rank 4 WRs per team. I have R Williams, Bradford, M Williams, and Vines.

Bradford is a nice value candidate, that when combined with R Williams' injury woes may very well be the #1 WR in DET for stretches during the year.

I think this is key here, Roy's yet to stay healthy for all 16 games.

He's missed FOUR games in 2 seasons I don't think Bradford will be the #1 guy "for stretches".

 

[John Mamula]

Roy Williams stats:

+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 2004 det | 14 | 1 1 1.0 0 | 54 817 15.1 8 || 2005 det | 13 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 45 687 15.3 8 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| TOTAL | 27 | 1 1 1.0 0 | 99 1504 15.2 16 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+5 games actually, and considering he hasn't played a full season, yes there could very well be stretches (i.e. 2-3 full games) where Bradford will be the #1 WR. Considering his ADP is literally off the chart, that is a great value play.Don't draft him if you don't want, but don't deny the potential that is there.

 

[V1LL]

Roy Williams stats:

+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 2004 det | 14 | 1 1 1.0 0 | 54 817 15.1 8 || 2005 det | 13 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 45 687 15.3 8 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| TOTAL | 27 | 1 1 1.0 0 | 99 1504 15.2 16 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+5 games actually, and considering he hasn't played a full season, yes there could very well be stretches (i.e. 2-3 full games) where Bradford will be the #1 WR. Considering his ADP is literally off the chart, that is a great value play.Don't draft him if you don't want, but don't deny the potential that is there.

I, like others, have seen what Bradford can do. It's not much. He's nothing more than a fill-in and won't start more than 5 games for the Lions and won't lead them in receiving yards in a game in more than 1 or 2 games.

 

[John Mamula]

Who is going to emerge as the #1 if/when Williams gets hurt?

Vines? Rogers? Mike Williams?

 

[Couch Potato]

Who is going to emerge as the #1 if/when Williams gets hurt?

Vines? Rogers? Mike Williams?

Last year I got guys like Galloway and Glenn for nothing. There was all the same 'worthless' talk from some people then too.I'm not really interested in continuing to try to convince people of things. Most don't want to see something until it has already happened and it's too late for them to take advantage of it. That's fine. A few of us have put Bradford on the radar for those who will listen. For those who won't, nothing we can say will matter. It's really not worth the effort, to me, to argue with them.

 

[Jackal]

Who is going to emerge as the #1 if/when Williams gets hurt?

Vines?  Rogers? Mike Williams?

Last year I got guys like Galloway and Glenn for nothing. There was all the same 'worthless' talk from some people then too.I'm not really interested in continuing to try to convince people of things. Most don't want to see something until it has already happened and it's too late for them to take advantage of it. That's fine. A few of us have put Bradford on the radar for those who will listen. For those who won't, nothing we can say will matter. It's really not worth the effort.

galloway and glenn have talent

 

[MSULions]

FWIW: Martz was on detroit radio today and emphasized that Rogers had made "Giant strides" in the last week....he's not the kind of guy to talk out his ###, but take it for what it's worth.

 

[Iron_Far]

Who is going to emerge as the #1 if/when Williams gets hurt?

Vines? Rogers? Mike Williams?

Last year I got guys like Galloway and Glenn for nothing. There was all the same 'worthless' talk from some people then too.I'm not really interested in continuing to try to convince people of things. Most don't want to see something until it has already happened and it's too late for them to take advantage of it. That's fine. A few of us have put Bradford on the radar for those who will listen. For those who won't, nothing we can say will matter. It's really not worth the effort.

galloway and glenn have talent

To compare 1st rounders with the likes of Corey Bradford

I like the value Bradford represents, certainly, but let's not go overboard here.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

at what point will the board embrace Scottie Vines? Martz motivational ploy for Mike Williams or does Vines have a shot at being seriously undervalued?

I've been all aboard the Scottie Vines train for a while now. Bradford is a bum. If he ends up the #2, it's not because he's that great IMO.

 

[MKB4®]

Lions WR's are Learning a New Offense

Chrissie Zavicar

6/1/2006

ALLEN PARK, Mich. -- When the Lions chose wide receivers as No. 1 picks in three consecutive drafts, it created a bit of a stir in Detroit.

Charles Rogers, Roy Williams and Mike Williams have been under a microscope since they arrived, carrying an enormous amount of pressure to succeed and become an arsenal of scoring power.

But all that seems to follow these three players is speculation on whether they are putting forth enough of an effort or whether they truly want to succeed in Detroit.

Offensive coordinator Mike Martz may have put all of those worries to rest on Thursday at the Lions mini-camp in Allen Park. When talking about his offense, and specifically his receivers, he had nothing but positive words with a look of excitement in his eye as though Detroit should be prepared for an outburst in 2006.

“They’re very athletic, it’s a good crew and they’re learning the work ethic and they’re willing and that’s the biggest thing that I see. They’re willing; they’re not fighting anybody. They’re open and receptive and trying to run what you’re doing and trying to work hard.”

Though there is high expectation in Detroit with the arrival of Martz and Head Coach Rod Marinelli, it is still early. With a little less than two months remaining until training camp, these players are still trying to get into the top shape they will need to be in so they can succeed in the high-tempo offense the Lions are looking to run.

“On every snap we want them to sprint down the field, that kind of a thing,” said Martz. “We don’t run guys in and out. So the conditioning of what we do lends itself to maybe a different type of mode in camp.

“But the conditioning part is very uncomfortable and that’s something that some of them aren’t used to being in – in an uncomfortable situation.”

While everyone wants to know how the Lions wide receivers are doing, it is still too early to see all they are truly capable of. The fact that they are still learning the offense and still trying to get their bodies into the condition Martz needs them to be leaves them performing at a lower level than the talent they possess.

“You can’t evaluate a receiver until he’s in shape,” said Martz. “You can’t. You get a wide receiver who’s out of shape; he runs a bad route and then drops balls. So you have to get them in great shape before you can have any kind of idea what they are.”

Though the receivers aren’t at the conditioning level they will be at by September, they are already showing signs of improvement due to hitting the weight room.

In fact, Martz’s best example of a player doing just that was Charles Rogers.

“Charles is starting to get in shape – he’s doing a great job now of getting in and out of cuts,” said Martz. “He couldn’t put his foot on the ground and change direction early because he wasn’t in very good shape.”

Rogers is probably the most-watched receiver out of the three and there has been speculation that he is being ruled out of the Lions offense. But Martz is impressed with Rogers and is showing no signs of keeping him out of anything.

“Charles has made a big, big jump over the last four or five days, I’m very pleased with his effort. It’s hard for him because [the system] is different. He’s going to make some mistakes mentally. But he’ll learn. I think Charles is going to be fine.”

Martz is impressed by more than just Rogers. When he first arrivedin Detroit, he was concerned that the Lions’ big receivers weren’t going to work in his offensive scheme. What he found, however, was a high level of talent and an ability to do more than what their size would imply.

“[They’re] very athletic receivers,” said Martz of Rogers, Williams and Williams. “Big guys. Usually as soon as you get a tall receiver in stature you say, ‘Well, he doesn’t have good feet.’ They do. And they can all run. All three of them can run.

“I wasn’t sure the size of these guys – whether they could get in and out of stuff. I’ve been amazed how well they can.”

While Martz has taken notice of Rogers’ improvement over the course of the offseason, he has also taken note of Mike Williams’ speed and quickness and the ability of Roy Williams.

In the two seasons Roy Williams has been in the NFL, he has constantly been talked about as an incredible talent, with his leaping grabs and the way he always seems to come down with the ball.

When asked if he considered Williams as an elite receiver, Martz said, “I think he is. Roy’s one of those guys, it doesn’t take you very long to be around him. If you watch practice out here at all, it’s not hard to figure that one out.

“I’m excited, but we’ve made no effort to isolate him at all, we’ll just teach him the offense. But when we do, I think he could be very effective.”

While much of the focus surrounding the Lions offense tends to center around Rogers, Williams and Williams, Detroit has many other talented receivers heading into training camp. Martz has been particularly impressed with wide receiver/return specialist Eddie Drummond.

“Eddie is a great example of a guy,” said Martz. “He’s learned two positions, he’s making some mental errors, but boy he’s working hard. That’s a guy that is in shape right now. He could run forever and that’s what you want. He just keeps practicing and if he just eliminates an error here and there as the preseason comes around, he should be a good backup.”

When it comes down to it, the Lions are strong at the receiving position. They have a solid group of players who will fight for roster spots come August and September.

But the one thing that fans should take note of is the way Martz has that look of excitement when talking about next season. As though no one has any idea what the city could be in store for.

“I’m very encouraged by, not just the ability, but just the overall attitude of these guys and their desire to learn this stuff and to win,” said Martz. “We didn’t know in 1999 what was going to happen (in St. Louis).

“Who knows where this thing is going. That is what is so much fun about it.”

http://www.detroitlions.com/

 

[Donnybrook]

Bradford was the deep threat in the Texans offense the last four seasons, averaging 15.3 yards per reception. And Jon Kitna has one of the weakest arms in the NFL.

Sounds like a match made in Hell?

 

[Beaumont]

... Jon Kitna has one of the weakest arms in the NFL.

Would you describe it as Wuerffelesque?

 

[Portis 26]

All aboard the CHARLES ROGERS bandwagon!

 

[aardball44]

All aboard the CHARLES ROGERS bandwagon!

You won't need a bandwagon. A Segway should suffice.

 

[Foosball God]

FWIW: Martz was on detroit radio today and emphasized that Rogers had made "Giant strides" in the last week....he's not the kind of guy to talk out his ###, but take it for what it's worth.

Put it in perspective with his actions though. Right now he's getting reps with the THIRD unit, and that is with Mike Williams and Scotty Vines to injured to practice. If he's already on the third unit with those guys injured, just think of where he would be if they weren't.

 

[playin4beer]

Hey Assani.....Just wondering if you caught this little tidbit today:

Artose Pinner, who was Jones' backup last year, appears to have fallen to No. 4 on the depth chart, behind rookie Brian Calhoun, a third-round draft pick. During one point in the drills, Pinner was in once during a stretch of 19 plays.

 

[Couch Potato]

From KFFL today:

Lions | M. Williams absent from minicamp practice

Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:18:28 -0700

Detroit Lions WR Mike Williams was absent from the team's practice Friday, June 2, according to head coach Rod Marinelli. "I excused him on a team issue," said Marinelli, who would not say if the absence was a disciplinary action, but did say that Williams "has had minor injuries." Marinelli added that Williams is expected to return for organized team activities.

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Hi, I'm Mike Williams' brain. Let me translate for you. Practices are too hard. They make me run too much. They expect me to be in shape. None of that ever mattered before. I don't like this at all. I'm sore. I'm tired. I'm not happy. Gimme a break.

 

[Foosball God]

From KFFL today:

Lions | M. Williams absent from minicamp practice

Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:18:28 -0700

Detroit Lions WR Mike Williams was absent from the team's practice Friday, June 2, according to head coach Rod Marinelli. "I excused him on a team issue," said Marinelli, who would not say if the absence was a disciplinary action, but did say that Williams "has had minor injuries." Marinelli added that Williams is expected to return for organized team activities.

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Hi, I'm Mike Williams' brain. Let me translate for you. Practices are too hard. They make me run too much. They expect me to be in shape. None of that ever mattered before. I don't like this at all. I'm sore. I'm tired. I'm not happy. Gimme a break.

Scotty Vines was also excused for "minor injuries". I wouldn't take that as an indictment.

 

[RenegadeGM]

From KFFL today:

Lions | M. Williams absent from minicamp practice

Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:18:28 -0700

Detroit Lions WR Mike Williams was absent from the team's practice Friday, June 2, according to head coach Rod Marinelli. "I excused him on a team issue," said Marinelli, who would not say if the absence was a disciplinary action, but did say that Williams "has had minor injuries." Marinelli added that Williams is expected to return for organized team activities.

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Hi, I'm Mike Williams' brain.  Let me translate for you.  Practices are too hard.  They make me run too much.  They expect me to be in shape.  None of that ever mattered before.  I don't like this at all.  I'm sore.  I'm tired.  I'm not happy.  Gimme a break.

Scotty Vines was also excused for "minor injuries". I wouldn't take that as an indictment.

Local radio seems to be implying Williams was "sent home" and it was unrelated to injury. They did say he would be back for OTAs soon.Take it for what it is worth.

 

[MKB4®]

Lions discipline WR Mike Williams

Mike O'Hara

6/2/2006

ALLEN PARK -- Coach Rod Marinelli has gotten tough, and Mike Williams is paying the price.

Williams, the Lions' second-year receiver, was kept out of mini-camp Friday in a disciplinary move by Marinelli.

"I excused him on a team issue," Marinelli said.

The Lions ended the three-day camp with one practice Friday. There were double sessions Wednesday and Thursday, but Williams did not take part in any of the practices.

Williams apparently is recovering from a slight hamstring injury. He rode a stationary bike on the sideline, as did other injured players, in a conditioning exercise.

Marinelli would not expand on his "team issue" statement to explain why Wililams had been disciplined. Williams was not available for comment Friday.

"That's how I'm going to leave it," Marinelli said.

Williams' rookie season was disappointing as the Lions' first-round draft pick in 2005 out of Southern Cal. He played 14 games, with four starts, and caught 29 passes. His only touchdown catch was in the opening-game win over Green Bay.

Williams was disciplined by former coach Steve Mariucci early in his rookie season for being late to meetings.

http://www.detroitnews.com

 

[metoo]

Per Clayton on ESPN radio Bradford #2. Rogers may get cut. E. Drummond working at #3 WR spot.

 

[Bri]

pretty sure this is a honda

DET WR pecking order:

RoyWill

Bradford

Chuck/BMW survivor

Vines

Furrey

IIRC Glenn Martinez was a hustler that earned some time last year not so unlike Vines. I believe he's still with them though not sure where he is on this pecking order, probably near the bottom but I wouldn't be surprised to see a hustler make the team over a guy with a poor work ethic regardless of talent

 

[Bri]

Hey Assani.....

Just wondering if you caught this little tidbit today:

Artose Pinner, who was Jones' backup last year, appears to have fallen to No. 4 on the depth chart, behind rookie Brian Calhoun, a third-round draft pick. During one point in the drills, Pinner was in once during a stretch of 19 plays.

where's arlen harris amidst this mess of backup RBs?

 

[Bri]

Per Clayton on ESPN radio Bradford #2. Rogers may get cut. E. Drummond working at #3 WR spot.

I posted that article here. I'll be shocked if Bradford is #2 come september. He's been just a deep threat for "forever" and sooner or later Martz will realize that. I do think he has his uses but just not as a starter

 

[Spartans Rule]

Hey Assani.....

Just wondering if you caught this little tidbit today:

Artose Pinner, who was Jones' backup last year, appears to have fallen to No. 4 on the depth chart, behind rookie Brian Calhoun, a third-round draft pick. During one point in the drills, Pinner was in once during a stretch of 19 plays.

The sooner Pinner gets cut, the better off he'll be. Jones and Bryson aren't going anywhere, and Calhoun and Arlen Harris are Martz-type guys, little scatbacks. Pinner is more of a power guy with some speed and doesn't seem to be a great fit.Pinner could probably be a decent backup for a different type of offense, but he has no future in Detroit.

 

[metoo]

Per Clayton on ESPN radio Bradford #2. Rogers may get cut. E. Drummond working at #3 WR spot.

I posted that article here. I'll be shocked if Bradford is #2 come september. He's been just a deep threat for "forever" and sooner or later Martz will realize that. I do think he has his uses but just not as a starter

Just the opposite. Bradford #2 and #3 WR up for grabs. Cayton said some to effect even Scottie Vines is getting a look at WR.Bradford #2.

 

[Payne]

I'm telling you guys, don't give up on Rogers.

In fact, Martz’s best example of a player doing just that was Charles Rogers.

“Charles is starting to get in shape – he’s doing a great job now of getting in and out of cuts,” said Martz. “He couldn’t put his foot on the ground and change direction early because he wasn’t in very good shape.”

Rogers is probably the most-watched receiver out of the three and there has been speculation that he is being ruled out of the Lions offense. But Martz is impressed with Rogers and is showing no signs of keeping him out of anything.

“Charles has made a big, big jump over the last four or five days, I’m very pleased with his effort. It’s hard for him because [the system] is different. He’s going to make some mistakes mentally. But he’ll learn. I think Charles is going to be fine.”