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deuce how long will he be in no (1 Viewer)

will he be there this year or be traded . dont think he will be there next year.
Why can't they play together ? ?McCallister can get his 20 carries, Bush 10-15, and also action at the WR spot.

 
will he be there this year or be traded . dont think he will be there next year.
Why can't they play together ? ?McCallister can get his 20 carries, Bush 10-15, and also action at the WR spot.
That would be a hell of a lot of money tied up in the Rb position.
That's true, but I'm sure they factored that in for at least the next season. Would they take Bush in the 1st if meant cap problems this off-season ? ?
 
will he be there this year or be traded . dont think he will be there next year.
McAllister signed a fifty million dollar contract extension last summer so I would think he's untradable due to the cap hit at least for a few years. He'll be 28 and coming off injury this year so by the time a trade would be possible he'd be pushing thirty and his value wouldn't be that great. The Saints signed Michael Bennett who appears about the only RB in the league with the size/speed ratio of Bush. Probably the about the worst place for Bush to land IMHO and double sucky for me since I own Deuce and the first pick in the draft and pretty much have to take Reggie due to potential. I wasn't jazzeda about Bush going to Houston but going to New Orleans is the absolute worst case scenario for me and anyone else in the same situtation with Deuce and the first pick in the draft.Have to see how it plays out but right now it pretty much sucks for Deuce/first pick holders from my vantage point.

 
Depends on his contract and how easy it is to trade/cut him. If he signed it last year, he will be around for a while.

 
I'm a Deuce owner and just looking at it realistically. He's there for a while.

At the beginning of last season, he signed an 8 year extension worth 50.1 million, with 12.5 million signing bonus.

If they traded him today, that would be a 9.5 million escalated hit to 2007's cap, if they trade him after June 1, 2007 then it would be a 1.5 million hit on the 2007 cap, and an 8 million hit on the 2008 cap. Trade June 1, 2008, it would be a 1.5 million hit on the 2008 cap, and a 6.5 million hit on the 2009 cap.

I think they could swallow a 6.5 million hit, maybe even an 8 million one, but not 9.5, that's a big chuck of change to be carrying around in dead weight. The sad thing is that if they trade him next year he's approaching 29. If they wait anything longer than that, he's a 30 year old RB with one messed up knee.

As a Deuce owner, the best scenario is that he rests that knee this year by not doing so much with Bush there, but get him out of there the year after. Problem is that Deuce is not a complainer, he won't bi#ch about moving out of NO, and if he's a team player, we might be seeing the new USC version of the New Orleans Saints. The role of Lendale being played by McAllister.

 
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Michael Bennett's value is about equal to a handful of navel lint right now.
True. I think there's a chance he could be traded or released this year or more likely next year. Assuming they dont move Deuce.
 
Michael Bennett's value is about equal to a handful of navel lint right now.
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Well stated.Deuce will still get his 20-25 touches/game pounding out the yards between the tackles. Bush will get around 17-20 touches, probably 13 rushes and 4 catches out of the backfield.

 
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There is such a thing as contract renegotiation to consider. If Deuce stinks it up this year because of his injury, he could resign for a lower value to stay on the team. From a non-fantasy perspective, you have to like that 1-2 punch, especially if you agree that Bush isnt an every down back like his detractors have proclaimed.

 
Michael Bennett's value is about equal to a handful of navel lint right now.
True. I think there's a chance he could be traded or released this year or more likely next year. Assuming they dont move Deuce.
This exchange just burst a blood vessel in my brain. :confused: If you are agreeing that Bennett's value is that of navel lint (great line, by the way!) then exactly how do you see that trade working , or as you say, "he could be traded or released this year or more likely next year".

Michael Bennett traded to Arizona for a new golden retriever which they train to get the tee back after kick offs?

I own the 1st pick in the draft and am very disappointed in where Bush landed. RBBC to the 3rd power. I'm going to be left with absolute crap at RB other than Bush (who won't produce anything close to starter numbers sharing the field with Deuce) so at least I can look forward to another high draft pick next year. My one hope is Deuce gets injured again (nice, I love wishing that on others...) so Bush has to carry more of the load.

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This exchange just burst a blood vessel in my brain. :confused:

If you are agreeing that Bennett's value is that of navel lint (great line, by the way!) then exactly how do you see that trade working , or as you say, "he could be traded or released this year or more likely next year".
They could save money by using a rookie or nobody FA 3RB like most teams do. Of the 2 million in salary, I'd imagine the majority of it comes next season. Which means the team could save close to a million dollars by releasing or trading Bennett. Yet that contract would be attractive to a team looking for a RB2. Another reason that next year is more likely is because of Deuce's injury and Bush's inexperience.

 
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There is such a thing as contract renegotiation to consider. If Deuce stinks it up this year because of his injury, he could resign for a lower value to stay on the team. From a non-fantasy perspective, you have to like that 1-2 punch, especially if you agree that Bush isnt an every down back like his detractors have proclaimed.
are you for real? contract renegotiation?????? why would he, he has all the bargaining power, if he doesn't renegotiate, New Orleans takes a monster cap hit if they release him, and if they do release him, he's laughing cause he gets another bonus on a new contract.
 
Michael Bennett's value is about equal to a handful of navel lint right now.
True. I think there's a chance he could be traded or released this year or more likely next year. Assuming they dont move Deuce.
This exchange just burst a blood vessel in my brain. :confused: If you are agreeing that Bennett's value is that of navel lint (great line, by the way!) then exactly how do you see that trade working , or as you say, "he could be traded or released this year or more likely next year".

Michael Bennett traded to Arizona for a new golden retriever which they train to get the tee back after kick offs?

I own the 1st pick in the draft and am very disappointed in where Bush landed. RBBC to the 3rd power. I'm going to be left with absolute crap at RB other than Bush (who won't produce anything close to starter numbers sharing the field with Deuce) so at least I can look forward to another high draft pick next year. My one hope is Deuce gets injured again (nice, I love wishing that on others...) so Bush has to carry more of the load.

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This is Bennett's contract:
He will sign a two-year contract worth $3 million, and the deal includes a signing bonus of $1 million. Bennett can earn an additional $1 million in incentives in each year of the contract.
I can see someone willing to trade something for him if the Saints take the $1M cap hit for him.
 
I'm a Deuce owner and just looking at it realistically. He's there for a while.

At the beginning of last season, he signed an 8 year extension worth 50.1 million, with 12.5 million signing bonus.

If they traded him today, that would be a 9.5 million escalated hit to 2007's cap, if they trade him after June 1, 2007 then it would be a 1.5 million hit on the 2007 cap, and an 8 million hit on the 2008 cap. Trade June 1, 2008, it would be a 1.5 million hit on the 2008 cap, and a 6.5 million hit on the 2009 cap.

I think they could swallow a 6.5 million hit, maybe even an 8 million one, but not 9.5, that's a big chuck of change to be carrying around in dead weight. The sad thing is that if they trade him next year he's approaching 29. If they wait anything longer than that, he's a 30 year old RB with one messed up knee.

As a Deuce owner, the best scenario is that he rests that knee this year by not doing so much with Bush there, but get him out of there the year after. Problem is that Deuce is not a complainer, he won't bi#ch about moving out of NO, and if he's a team player, we might be seeing the new USC version of the New Orleans Saints. The role of Lendale being played by McAllister.
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will he be there this year or be traded . dont think he will be there next year.

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McAllister signed a fifty million dollar contract extension last summer so I would think he's untradable due to the cap hit at least for a few years. He'll be 28 and coming off injury this year so by the time a trade would be possible he'd be pushing thirty and his value wouldn't be that great. The Saints signed Michael Bennett who appears about the only RB in the league with the size/speed ratio of Bush. Probably the about the worst place for Bush to land IMHO and double sucky for me since I own Deuce and the first pick in the draft and pretty much have to take Reggie due to potential. I wasn't jazzeda about Bush going to Houston but going to New Orleans is the absolute worst case scenario for me and anyone else in the same situtation with Deuce and the first pick in the draft.Have to see how it plays out but right now it pretty much sucks for Deuce/first pick holders from my vantage point.

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I don't think Bennett will be getting playing time over Bush. I think it'll be Deuce and Reggie almost exclusively in the Saints backfield this year.
 
Before Bush sees the field he will have to learn to pass block in the majors.

Maybe that is week one - maybe not. If he is still looking 30 million he certainly won't be in camp

 
Has anyone considered a Bush hold-out? Was money what kept him from going #1? Can anyone see his agent saying he should have been the first pick in the draft so he should be paid like he was? As a Duece owner this may just be wishful thinking, but it seems pretty plausable to me. Does anyone know who Bush's agent is?

msommer beat me to it. :wall:

 
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Has anyone considered a Bush hold-out? Was money what kept him from going #1? Can anyone see his agent saying he should have been the first pick in the draft so he should be paid like he was? As a Duece owner this may just be wishful thinking, but it seems pretty plausable to me. Does anyone know who Bush's agent is?

msommer beat me to it. :wall:

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Bingo. This one has all the makings of a hold-out.Bush wanted $30mm+ guaranteed to play for the Texans. Last year's #2 (Ronnie Brown), signed for $20mm guaranteed. Bush is looking at a 30%+ paycut from his expectations just 48 hours ago.

The Saints have all the leverage in the world with both McAllister and Bennett on the roster. This one is going to get ugly.

 
Has anyone considered a Bush hold-out? Was money what kept him from going #1? Can anyone see his agent saying he should have been the first pick in the draft so he should be paid like he was? As a Duece owner this may just be wishful thinking, but it seems pretty plausable to me. Does anyone know who Bush's agent is?

msommer beat me to it. :wall:

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Joel Segal is his agent. Loomis and Russ Ball have a pretty good record of getting guys signed, of course this is a unique situation. Interesting side note: Segal is Saints DE Will Smith's agent, so they've dealt with him before.
 
The league is going to make sure Reggie Bush is signed and on the field for the Monday night game to reopen the Superdome. He may miss a lot of camp, but he won't miss that game.

 

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