Deuce McAllister or M.Turner to Giants (1 Viewer)

[johnnybronco]

Hey Guys,

Just trying to get either Giants, Chargers, or Saints homers to chime in on this one. I keep hearing this from friends that there are rumors out there that the G-men would be interested if Barber does retire. Has anybody heard this or can substantiate this, even maybe a link for an article or something.

The guys I've heard this from in my leagues are not Turner/McAllister owners so they would have no reason to pump this up, nor are they LT or Bush owners.

Any info would be awesome.

 

[ArcticEdge]

Why would the Saints trade their best RB to the Giants?

 

[Harry Beanbag]

After this season, Turner is a restricted free agent. So if he went to the Giants in a free agent offer and the Chargers matched, the Gianst would have to give something up. I am doubting that the Giants would be willing to give a first rounder for Turner but stranger things could happen. Turner would be a nice fit in NY but I think the price tag might be a bit too steep. Look at what they gave up to get Eli.

 

[PatsWillWin]

The NFL is not a fantasy league.

 

[NoFBinLA]

The NFL is not a fantasy league.

Yeah? Tell that to Dan Snyder.Anyway if it was, somebody would be shouting 'collusion' about every half hour.....

 

[cr8f]

After this season, Turner is a restricted free agent. So if he went to the Giants in a free agent offer and the Chargers matched, the Gianst would have to give something up. I am doubting that the Giants would be willing to give a first rounder for Turner but stranger things could happen. Turner would be a nice fit in NY but I think the price tag might be a bit too steep. Look at what they gave up to get Eli.

Don't they have to give up where Turner was dafted, a 5th rounder?

 

[trader jake]

Deuce and Turner don't seem to be good compliments to what Jacobs already brings to the table. Both are great running backs but the GMen will probably bring in more of a speed back. Thunder and Lightning Part 2.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I'd be happy with making the Beast the feature back and use a power running game to compliment the open passing game with Burress/Toomer/Shockey. If anything, add a speed slot guy to the mix because I don't see anyone on the current roster stepping into that role with force.

 

[cstu]

Turner likely isn't going anywhere since there are cheaper options (draft pick and contract-wise). However, Deuce, Thomas Jones and Foster are guys that could be expendable by their teams.

I see these teams as looking for RB's next year:

Giants - if Tiki retires that leaves Jacobs who has some question marks as a starter

Browns - if they decide to move on from Droughns and feel Harrison isn't an every-down back

Texans - unless DD is back they need serious RB help

Ravens - Jamal Lewis looks done and they can't trust Musa to stay healthy

Jets - a lot of RB's, but hard to tell right now if any of them can be good starters every week

Packers - definite need here with Green's health a continuing problem

Titans - too early to tell if White will become the man in Tenn.

Broncos - Shanny didn't seem to want Tatum to be the starter and as usual make get another back

Steelers - Parker is the starter but it's a heavy running team that needs another back

Eagles - desperately need a RB to complement Westbrook

 

[JohnnyU]

Turner likely isn't going anywhere since there are cheaper options (draft pick and contract-wise). However, Deuce, Thomas Jones and Foster are guys that could be expendable by their teams.I see these teams as looking for RB's next year:Giants - if Tiki retires that leaves Jacobs who has some question marks as a starterBrowns - if they decide to move on from Droughns and feel Harrison isn't an every-down backTexans - unless DD is back they need serious RB helpRavens - Jamal Lewis looks done and they can't trust Musa to stay healthyJets - a lot of RB's, but hard to tell right now if any of them can be good starters every weekPackers - definite need here with Green's health a continuing problemTitans - too early to tell if White will become the man in Tenn.Broncos - Shanny didn't seem to want Tatum to be the starter and as usual make get another backSteelers - Parker is the starter but it's a heavy running team that needs another backEagles - desperately need a RB to complement Westbrook

Turner to the Colts. Well, I can dream can't I?

 

[cstu]

Turner likely isn't going anywhere since there are cheaper options (draft pick and contract-wise). However, Deuce, Thomas Jones and Foster are guys that could be expendable by their teams.I see these teams as looking for RB's next year:Giants - if Tiki retires that leaves Jacobs who has some question marks as a starterBrowns - if they decide to move on from Droughns and feel Harrison isn't an every-down backTexans - unless DD is back they need serious RB helpRavens - Jamal Lewis looks done and they can't trust Musa to stay healthyJets - a lot of RB's, but hard to tell right now if any of them can be good starters every weekPackers - definite need here with Green's health a continuing problemTitans - too early to tell if White will become the man in Tenn.Broncos - Shanny didn't seem to want Tatum to be the starter and as usual make get another backSteelers - Parker is the starter but it's a heavy running team that needs another backEagles - desperately need a RB to complement Westbrook

Turner to the Colts. Well, I can dream can't I?

What do you think about Turner for Addai straight up? I'm sure the Chargers would like Addai's contract with 4 years left.

 

[JohnnyU]

Turner likely isn't going anywhere since there are cheaper options (draft pick and contract-wise). However, Deuce, Thomas Jones and Foster are guys that could be expendable by their teams.I see these teams as looking for RB's next year:Giants - if Tiki retires that leaves Jacobs who has some question marks as a starterBrowns - if they decide to move on from Droughns and feel Harrison isn't an every-down backTexans - unless DD is back they need serious RB helpRavens - Jamal Lewis looks done and they can't trust Musa to stay healthyJets - a lot of RB's, but hard to tell right now if any of them can be good starters every weekPackers - definite need here with Green's health a continuing problemTitans - too early to tell if White will become the man in Tenn.Broncos - Shanny didn't seem to want Tatum to be the starter and as usual make get another backSteelers - Parker is the starter but it's a heavy running team that needs another backEagles - desperately need a RB to complement Westbrook

Turner to the Colts. Well, I can dream can't I?

What do you think about Turner for Addai straight up? I'm sure the Chargers would like Addai's contract with 4 years left.

I was mostly kidding. Addai is rounding into a fine back for the Colts. Besides, they should use those draft picks on defense, and Turner would cost a fortune in 2007 (RFA). Now 2008 is a different story when he is an UFA.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Turner likely isn't going anywhere since there are cheaper options (draft pick and contract-wise). However, Deuce, Thomas Jones and Foster are guys that could be expendable by their teams.I see these teams as looking for RB's next year:Giants - if Tiki retires that leaves Jacobs who has some question marks as a starterBrowns - if they decide to move on from Droughns and feel Harrison isn't an every-down backTexans - unless DD is back they need serious RB helpRavens - Jamal Lewis looks done and they can't trust Musa to stay healthyJets - a lot of RB's, but hard to tell right now if any of them can be good starters every weekPackers - definite need here with Green's health a continuing problemTitans - too early to tell if White will become the man in Tenn.Broncos - Shanny didn't seem to want Tatum to be the starter and as usual make get another backSteelers - Parker is the starter but it's a heavy running team that needs another backEagles - desperately need a RB to complement Westbrook

Turner to the Colts. Well, I can dream can't I?

What do you think about Turner for Addai straight up? I'm sure the Chargers would like Addai's contract with 4 years left.

Depends. Is it PPR?

 

[johnnybronco]

geez, i guess i was foolish to expect people to actually reply on what this thread was about, geez this place is getting brutal.

for those that did, thanks for the info.

 

[cstu]

Turner likely isn't going anywhere since there are cheaper options (draft pick and contract-wise). However, Deuce, Thomas Jones and Foster are guys that could be expendable by their teams.I see these teams as looking for RB's next year:Giants - if Tiki retires that leaves Jacobs who has some question marks as a starterBrowns - if they decide to move on from Droughns and feel Harrison isn't an every-down backTexans - unless DD is back they need serious RB helpRavens - Jamal Lewis looks done and they can't trust Musa to stay healthyJets - a lot of RB's, but hard to tell right now if any of them can be good starters every weekPackers - definite need here with Green's health a continuing problemTitans - too early to tell if White will become the man in Tenn.Broncos - Shanny didn't seem to want Tatum to be the starter and as usual make get another backSteelers - Parker is the starter but it's a heavy running team that needs another backEagles - desperately need a RB to complement Westbrook

Turner to the Colts. Well, I can dream can't I?

What do you think about Turner for Addai straight up? I'm sure the Chargers would like Addai's contract with 4 years left.

I was mostly kidding. Addai is rounding into a fine back for the Colts. Besides, they should use those draft picks on defense, and Turner would cost a fortune in 2007 (RFA). Now 2008 is a different story when he is an UFA.

I was thinking about doing it with no draft picks involved. Obviously the Colts would have to give Turner a Lamont Jordan size contract with $10-$15M guaranteed as well as take a hit on Addai's contract, but if they felt that Turner was that much better than Addai it might be worth it. I'm not sure myself how to value the two guys since they both look like good backs and it probably wouldn't make sense for the Colts unless they got a pick in exchange.

 

[johnnybronco]

Turner to the Colts. Well, I can dream can't I?

What do you think about Turner for Addai straight up? I'm sure the Chargers would like Addai's contract with 4 years left.

I was mostly kidding. Addai is rounding into a fine back for the Colts. Besides, they should use those draft picks on defense, and Turner would cost a fortune in 2007 (RFA). Now 2008 is a different story when he is an UFA.

I was thinking about doing it with no draft picks involved. Obviously the Colts would have to give Turner a Lamont Jordan size contract with $10-$15M guaranteed as well as take a hit on Addai's contract, but if they felt that Turner was that much better than Addai it might be worth it. I'm not sure myself how to value the two guys since they both look like good backs and it probably wouldn't make sense for the Colts unless they got a pick in exchange.

not going to happen

 

[cstu]

geez, i guess i was foolish to expect people to actually reply on what this thread was about, geez this place is getting brutal.for those that did, thanks for the info.

It's a non-topic because there wouldn't be real talk about it right now between the teams. Obviously there could be some interest after the season but not right now.

 

[JohnnyU]

geez, i guess i was foolish to expect people to actually reply on what this thread was about, geez this place is getting brutal.for those that did, thanks for the info.

I think NO likes the way they are using Deuce and Reggie together, besides McAllister is a power back and so is Jacobs, so I don't think he's a good fit anyway. As far as Turner, anything can happen, but the price may be more than NY is willing to give since they have a capable RB in Jacobs. Someone could pony up the price for Turner, but he's more likely gone after 2007 when he's a UFA. I believe for a team pay the price he will cost as a RFA, they will have to be a RB starved team.

 

[MLBrandow]

I don't think either will be a Giant.

No way Deuce is leaving NO, and I doubt the Chargers will let MT get away.

Of what's slated to be available, I'd like to think they'll take a hard look at Michael Bush in the latter part of the first.

Remember that Ladell Betts and Chris Brown are both going to be free agents as well, and are probably unlikely to return to their respective teams.

Betts might be the most plausible option for them should they pursue a FA RB.

 

[nightshift]

Turner likely isn't going anywhere since there are cheaper options (draft pick and contract-wise). However, Deuce, Thomas Jones and Foster are guys that could be expendable by their teams.I see these teams as looking for RB's next year:Giants - if Tiki retires that leaves Jacobs who has some question marks as a starterBrowns - if they decide to move on from Droughns and feel Harrison isn't an every-down backTexans - unless DD is back they need serious RB helpRavens - Jamal Lewis looks done and they can't trust Musa to stay healthyJets - a lot of RB's, but hard to tell right now if any of them can be good starters every weekPackers - definite need here with Green's health a continuing problemTitans - too early to tell if White will become the man in Tenn.Broncos - Shanny didn't seem to want Tatum to be the starter and as usual make get another backSteelers - Parker is the starter but it's a heavy running team that needs another backEagles - desperately need a RB to complement Westbrook

Turner to the Colts. Well, I can dream can't I?

Sure, like winning the Super Bowl. Time for school Johnny, wake up! :dreamover:

 

[MLBrandow]

Turner likely isn't going anywhere since there are cheaper options (draft pick and contract-wise). However, Deuce, Thomas Jones and Foster are guys that could be expendable by their teams.

Don't know why people keep assuming that Deuce is on borrowed time in NO. He's one of the best RBs in the league, and he's not even a year removed from a horrendous leg injury.Deuce is just as likely to remain a Saint as Bush is for the forseeable future. They both have huge contracts (believe Deuce's is a few million more), and they both fill crucial roles in that offense.

 

[Kleck.]

After this season, Turner is a restricted free agent. So if he went to the Giants in a free agent offer and the Chargers matched, the Gianst would have to give something up. I am doubting that the Giants would be willing to give a first rounder for Turner but stranger things could happen. Turner would be a nice fit in NY but I think the price tag might be a bit too steep. Look at what they gave up to get Eli.

Don't they have to give up where Turner was dafted, a 5th rounder?

Depends on what offer the Chargers tender Turner at.

 

[cstu]

Turner likely isn't going anywhere since there are cheaper options (draft pick and contract-wise). However, Deuce, Thomas Jones and Foster are guys that could be expendable by their teams.

Don't know why people keep assuming that Deuce is on borrowed time in NO. He's one of the best RBs in the league, and he's not even a year removed from a horrendous leg injury.Deuce is just as likely to remain a Saint as Bush is for the forseeable future. They both have huge contracts (believe Deuce's is a few million more), and they both fill crucial roles in that offense.

Deuce signed a contract with a $12M bonus in 2005 and Bush's bonus was $26M. Deuce's cap hit would be $8M or so but they could get a high pick out of him since a team would get him for cheap and without any bonus, as well as have him under contract for another 6 years. I guess the Saints will have to decide if keeping both RB's is the best thing for the team or if they can improve by using that money somewhere else.

 

[Shiver44]

The Saints would be stupid to give away Deuce. Reggie Bush has looked awful as a runner, and doesn't have the frame for an NFL feature back.

 

[cowboy homer]

The Saints would be stupid to give away Deuce. Reggie Bush has looked awful as a runner, and doesn't have the frame for an NFL feature back.

I am not sure how you can say Bush has been an awful runner. It sounds to me the same situation that Deuce was in when Ricky was there. It is going to be hard for New Orleans spending that much money on one position.

 

[cstu]

The Saints would be stupid to give away Deuce. Reggie Bush has looked awful as a runner, and doesn't have the frame for an NFL feature back.

Too bad he's not built more like Dunn and Westbrook.

 

[PatsWillWin]

The Saints would be stupid to give away Deuce. Reggie Bush has looked awful as a runner, and doesn't have the frame for an NFL feature back.

Too bad he's not built more like Dunn and Westbrook.

He's not running nearly as good as Dunn OR Westbrook. Even in their rookie seasons.The Saints are not going to trade Deuce. People have a hard time accepting this, and I'm sorry for that - but he's one of the better RB's in the league right now, and Reggie Bush has not shown at all that he can be a feature back, as much as the fantasy community wants to make him one.

 

[thayman]

Hey Guys,Just trying to get either Giants, Chargers, or Saints homers to chime in on this one. I keep hearing this from friends that there are rumors out there that the G-men would be interested if Barber does retire. Has anybody heard this or can substantiate this, even maybe a link for an article or something.The guys I've heard this from in my leagues are not Turner/McAllister owners so they would have no reason to pump this up, nor are they LT or Bush owners.Any info would be awesome.

Turner will probably cost a first or second round draft pick. That would only buy any team that signed him one year, then he is a UFA. Turner won't go anywhere, the price will just be too high (at least next year).

 

[thayman]

The Saints would be stupid to give away Deuce. Reggie Bush has looked awful as a runner, and doesn't have the frame for an NFL feature back.

Too bad he's not built more like Dunn and Westbrook.

He's not running nearly as good as Dunn OR Westbrook. Even in their rookie seasons.The Saints are not going to trade Deuce. People have a hard time accepting this, and I'm sorry for that - but he's one of the better RB's in the league right now, and Reggie Bush has not shown at all that he can be a feature back, as much as the fantasy community wants to make him one.

Meh. Personally I have found him to be a pretty decent NFL RB. A solid #2 in PPR, fantasy wise. But as far as a NFL RB goes he's been contributing big time.

 

[PatsWillWin]

The Saints would be stupid to give away Deuce. Reggie Bush has looked awful as a runner, and doesn't have the frame for an NFL feature back.

Too bad he's not built more like Dunn and Westbrook.

He's not running nearly as good as Dunn OR Westbrook. Even in their rookie seasons.The Saints are not going to trade Deuce. People have a hard time accepting this, and I'm sorry for that - but he's one of the better RB's in the league right now, and Reggie Bush has not shown at all that he can be a feature back, as much as the fantasy community wants to make him one.

Meh. Personally I have found him to be a pretty decent NFL RB. A solid #2 in PPR, fantasy wise. But as far as a NFL RB goes he's been contributing big time.

No doubt. But that doesn't mean the Saints are cool with just trading Deuce - even though Bush has been a solid #2 in PPR.

 

[jchap31]

As a Saints homer, I firmly believe that the Saints will eat Deuce's contract. They have already proven that

a) you don't need an expensive O-Line to be productive (unlike ARIZONA)

b) Drew Brees' contract drops to $6mil a year from here on out (same as Brooks' contract when he was here...have fun with that peckerhead oakland)

c) Joe Horn is playing his final season (in my opinion) so that cap $$ will be gone and his replacement is a 7th round draft pick in Colston.

d) Most of the other starters are either basically rookies (SS Harper, FS Bullocks, RG Jahri Evans, LT Brown) or reasonably priced vets (DT Brian Young, LB Fujita - who is outplaying his 4 mil a year IMO, CB McKenzie, C Faine.)

I think we'll be just fine with Deuce and way to go Payton on the most solid draft from top to bottom that I can even recall the Saints having. Now, just feel for those poor bastards in OAKLAND because the Saints are going to be just fine.

 

[thayman]

The Saints would be stupid to give away Deuce. Reggie Bush has looked awful as a runner, and doesn't have the frame for an NFL feature back.

Too bad he's not built more like Dunn and Westbrook.

He's not running nearly as good as Dunn OR Westbrook. Even in their rookie seasons.The Saints are not going to trade Deuce. People have a hard time accepting this, and I'm sorry for that - but he's one of the better RB's in the league right now, and Reggie Bush has not shown at all that he can be a feature back, as much as the fantasy community wants to make him one.

Meh. Personally I have found him to be a pretty decent NFL RB. A solid #2 in PPR, fantasy wise. But as far as a NFL RB goes he's been contributing big time.

No doubt. But that doesn't mean the Saints are cool with just trading Deuce - even though Bush has been a solid #2 in PPR.

I never said they would trade Deuce. My point is simply that there is entirely too much Bush love/hate. Whether you like it or not, Bush has been solid. Are his stats insane? No, but he is forcing teams to account for him, one of the reasons Deuce, and Brees in particular, have been having such a good year. I've always liked the Saints, and love how they have turned things around. Personally I hope they keep Bush and Deuce, it's a very nice 1 2 punch at the RB postion.IF Deuce gets traded it's going to be a contract issue IMHO.

 

[yellowdog]

Hey Guys,Just trying to get either Giants, Chargers, or Saints homers to chime in on this one. I keep hearing this from friends that there are rumors out there that the G-men would be interested if Barber does retire. Has anybody heard this or can substantiate this, even maybe a link for an article or something.The guys I've heard this from in my leagues are not Turner/McAllister owners so they would have no reason to pump this up, nor are they LT or Bush owners.Any info would be awesome.

Turner will probably cost a first or second round draft pick. That would only buy any team that signed him one year, then he is a UFA. Turner won't go anywhere, the price will just be too high (at least next year).

If a team signs him to a deal and San Diego lets him walk to be compensated with a pick or two, he would not be an UFA next year. The team that gets him will have him for the life of the new contract.

 

[thayman]

Hey Guys,Just trying to get either Giants, Chargers, or Saints homers to chime in on this one. I keep hearing this from friends that there are rumors out there that the G-men would be interested if Barber does retire. Has anybody heard this or can substantiate this, even maybe a link for an article or something.The guys I've heard this from in my leagues are not Turner/McAllister owners so they would have no reason to pump this up, nor are they LT or Bush owners.Any info would be awesome.

Turner will probably cost a first or second round draft pick. That would only buy any team that signed him one year, then he is a UFA. Turner won't go anywhere, the price will just be too high (at least next year).

If a team signs him to a deal and San Diego lets him walk to be compensated with a pick or two, he would not be an UFA next year. The team that gets him will have him for the life of the new contract.

ahhh....I always forget about that part, I do think he will be too pricey though.....

 

[JuniorNB]

I can gaurantee that as long as Bush can only manage 2.8 yards per carry, McAllister isn't going anywhere.

 

[The Ref]

I think the saints are going to stick with the McAllister Bush combo for a few years.

Turner is going to be a RFA, and that means teams have to give up a first and a third round pick. I don't think any team will want to do that.

My guess is they turn the keys over to Jacobs, and find some third down back with some experiance. Think someone like Pittman, or Kevin Faulk.

 

[baronson]

I think the saints are going to stick with the McAllister Bush combo for a few years.Turner is going to be a RFA, and that means teams have to give up a first and a third round pick. I don't think any team will want to do that.My guess is they turn the keys over to Jacobs, and find some third down back with some experiance. Think someone like Pittman, or Kevin Faulk.

they'll draft a guy. prob not in the 1st round, though possibly, since outside of DB, they don't have a lot of glaring needs. i don't see them just handing jacobs the job, and any GM with a grain of sense knows you need two capable backs these days in the event of an injury. they may sign someone, but i tend to doubt they'll spend big money doing it.i think the strategy these days seems to be that the system makes the back, not the other way around. i think the days of people paying high prices (ie. a 1st and a 3rd) for FA RBs are over.

 

[MLBrandow]

The Saints would be stupid to give away Deuce. Reggie Bush has looked awful as a runner, and doesn't have the frame for an NFL feature back.

I am not sure how you can say Bush has been an awful runner. It sounds to me the same situation that Deuce was in when Ricky was there. It is going to be hard for New Orleans spending that much money on one position.

This is a classic example of look up stats before you just go around claiming things that don't make any sense.McAllister in his rookie year averaged nearly 6ypc, or about twice what Bush is averaging.Bush HAS looked awful as a runner, and although the latter part of Shiver's post about not having an NFL frame is naturally silly, the first part was dead on.It won't be hard at all for the Saints to spend that much money on one position, and they are really getting a great deal.Bush is a PR, WR2 and 3DB. McAllister is the RB.To get someone so useful and combine him with one of the league's best RBs is a fantastic idea.Just because Bush has the label of "RB" does not mean "oh man, well there's no way they can keep two high-paid RBs on their roster.. the universe will collapse!"Quite the contrary. It's not like they are clones of each other. They both posess very different skills.

 

[Da Guru]

Reggie Bush is not a #1 RB. The Saints already seem to know this. They can`t possibly get rid of Deuce.

 

[JuniorNB]

The Saints have 2.7 reasons to hold onto McAllister.

 

[Sigfawn]

Lets say you're the coach.

Why would you want Deuce to leave? Bush is getting 25 touches a game in this offense. You're going to drop the amount of targets in the passing game, and give him 10+ more carries? Does that help your offense? Are you a better team?

Thier having SUCCESS. When you're doing well, you don't dump your starting RB "just because" or "want to change the whole offense and make Bush a fulltime runner".

As the coach, I like keeping the pounding on Bush down, I like using him in the passing game. Using him from the I, that limits what Bush can do. This whole offense is based on Deuce running, and Bush moving around, being a decoy, catching balls. And they're winning. Why would I want to change anything.

And Deuce is coming off the ACL. Next year he should be even better.

It just seems painfully obvious to me, if you asked the HC "hey, we're thinking of dumping Deuce next year, you okay with that?", he's going to be 100% against that. Deuce has his role. Bush has his role. Brees has his role. They are winning. People are happy. The offense looks great. There is no way as a coach I'd want to yank out Deuce when there's no reason to.

Bush is going to catch 80+ balls. So it's not like they're spending so much on 2 RBs. Bush is more of a WR. If they are having success, winning games, they will not lose sleep over the cap figure from their rb rb/wr combo.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

After this season, Turner is a restricted free agent. So if he went to the Giants in a free agent offer and the Chargers matched failed to match, the Gianst would have to give something up. I am doubting that the Giants would be willing to give a first rounder for Turner but stranger things could happen. Turner would be a nice fit in NY but I think the price tag might be a bit too steep. Look at what they gave up to get Eli.

The Chargers will almost certainly make a qualifying offer to Turner that would require another team to give up a first and a third if the Chargers do not match.Also, there is no way in the world the Chargers would match. Partially because they wouldn't mind taking a first and third for Turner, but more because they can't afford to match a term making Turner's back-loaded contract fully guaranteed if Turner plays more than three home games in San Diego county in any given season.

 

[Birdie048]

IIRC, Ladel Betts is a UFA after this season. He is in the final year of his rookie contract (making $585K I believe). Snyder has a ton of $ tied into Portis. He can not afford to pay 2 RB's that well.

I believe Betts ends up in Big Blue. Nothing like inter-division shifts! He'll know A Pierce and L Arrington there already!!

Betts to NYG! That's my call!

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Do people not think Brandon Jacobs is an every-down back? He looks pretty good to me.

I think the teams that need long-term solutions at RB are the Jets, Ravens, Browns, Texans, and Packers (assuming Green doesn't have many years left). The Eagles could use a power runner.

 

[thayman]

IIRC, Ladel Betts is a UFA after this season. He is in the final year of his rookie contract (making $585K I believe). Snyder has a ton of $ tied into Portis. He can not afford to pay 2 RB's that well. I believe Betts ends up in Big Blue. Nothing like inter-division shifts! He'll know A Pierce and L Arrington there already!! Betts to NYG! That's my call!

Snyder can afford to do whatever he wants.

 

[Birdie048]

IIRC, Ladel Betts is a UFA after this season. He is in the final year of his rookie contract (making $585K I believe). Snyder has a ton of $ tied into Portis. He can not afford to pay 2 RB's that well. I believe Betts ends up in Big Blue. Nothing like inter-division shifts! He'll know A Pierce and L Arrington there already!! Betts to NYG! That's my call!

Snyder can afford to do whatever he wants.

True.... but from a Cap perspective, 35% of you salary into 2 players at 1 positions makes it tough to win many games. Maybe he really wants Gibbs to quit!

 

[thayman]

IIRC, Ladel Betts is a UFA after this season. He is in the final year of his rookie contract (making $585K I believe). Snyder has a ton of $ tied into Portis. He can not afford to pay 2 RB's that well. I believe Betts ends up in Big Blue. Nothing like inter-division shifts! He'll know A Pierce and L Arrington there already!! Betts to NYG! That's my call!

Snyder can afford to do whatever he wants.

True.... but from a Cap perspective, 35% of you salary into 2 players at 1 positions makes it tough to win many games. Maybe he really wants Gibbs to quit!

I've been a Redskins fan for quite some time....I don't think Snyder even cares what the cap is. He just turns future money into a bonus, then prorates everything back. "cap hell" comes up every year, and it never seems to happen.

 

[corpcow]

After this season, Turner is a restricted free agent. So if he went to the Giants in a free agent offer and the Chargers matched, the Gianst would have to give something up. I am doubting that the Giants would be willing to give a first rounder for Turner but stranger things could happen. Turner would be a nice fit in NY but I think the price tag might be a bit too steep. Look at what they gave up to get Eli.

I can't find the exact quote, but Ernie Accorsi once discussed the Manning trade in a positive light - less first round picks mean more money to go after proven free agents. So I wouldn't count out either because of the expected price - if the organization feels he is better than what they would get in the first round otherwise, they will do it. But as much as we all love Turner here - and yes, he's done some impressive things in his limited time - let's keep it in perspective. He's never been the primary back and carried the ball 300 times. Especially this year, a lot of his success has come with LT split out wide where he demands a lot of attention. As talented as he may be, he's still an unproven commodity.Honestly, being at both home preseason games (I'm going to two regular season but both are in Dec), Jacobs should not be counted out. He is a huge back, but also surprisingly agile and quick. Many will criticize him for "running with his head down" and just taking a pounding, but that's what he's being asked to do when Tiki's in there. He's actually pretty dangerous in space and doesn't (always) try to run people over If Barber does indeed retire (which, of course, it not set it stone), I think Jacobs gets first crack.As far as drafting a replacement, it depends on who is there. Accorsi is big on taking the best rated talent even if it doesn't fill a need. See, e.g., our first round pick this year. As he said last year, "if he's there when we pick, we'll take Reggie Bush."

 

[corpcow]

Reggie Bush is not a #1 RB. The Saints already seem to know this. They can`t possibly get rid of Deuce.

 

[cstu]

I can gaurantee that as long as Bush can only manage 2.8 yards per carry, McAllister isn't going anywhere.

Right now the Saints would be hard-pressed to do it, but by the end of the season if Bush puts together a few good rushing games then it will be a consideration. The Saints don't have to trade Deuce but remember it was the Saints who ended up with 2 1st's (the 2003 1st was conditional on Ricky getting 1500 yards) from trading Ricky Williams after Deuce's rookie year. As far as the 2 1st's they received for Ricky, they drafted Charles Grant and traded their 1st along with the Dolphins 1st to move up and get DT Johnathan Sullivan (bust) but got RT Jon Stinchcomb with the 2nd they received.