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Lutherman2112
Footballguy
Flipping around the channels this morning. FanDual and Draft Kings both had 30 minute infomercials on....USA and Discovery channel.
Infomercials...smh
Infomercials...smh
Fantasysports1
Footballguy
Lol
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
how long until cheating is revealed at these sites just like online poker?
I find DFS far too boring. I try it but for me the fun part of FF is rubbing it in my buddies face when I win. Who cares if I beat a bunch of no-name dudes on the web for a $5 50/50
I find DFS far too boring. I try it but for me the fun part of FF is rubbing it in my buddies face when I win. Who cares if I beat a bunch of no-name dudes on the web for a $5 50/50
Fantasysports1
Footballguy
The only way to potentially make a lot is from DFS. In season long you have a long turnover and you have to place in high stake leagues. I find season long to be a little hit or miss and it is hard to depend on being able to consistently win unless you happen to really know your stuff that year and don't have mishaps like too many injuries or draft mistakes.
DFS is probably here to stay. Most of you guys should have some type of edge over the average player though that isn't enough by itself. You have to know how to construct high floor cash lineups and a methodology. If you are really good at season long you can win at DFS if you know the process and have proper BR management.
DFS is probably here to stay. Most of you guys should have some type of edge over the average player though that isn't enough by itself. You have to know how to construct high floor cash lineups and a methodology. If you are really good at season long you can win at DFS if you know the process and have proper BR management.
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Aerial Assault
Footballguy
Reading about people sitting in their places for hours a day and fielding DFS lineups using players they've never heard of and know nothing about, using software-driven statistical models to win, is simultaneously funny and sad. For me, if I don't know the players and am just conducting a computer simulation, yeah, that's . . . not the least bit fun or interesting. I'll leave that to Skynet and continue to play games I actually enjoy.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Bingo...
This is where a strong CEO comes into play. Currently the sharks that make up a huge portion of overall lineups are important bc without them the revenue shrinks tremendously. These players are like crack to them, an immediate high with a long term negative impact. They need to start weaning themselves off of these players if they want their business to be sustainable. A strong CEO should figure out the right move and let the sharks move to his competitor. At first with a huge boost of revenue FD or DK would think they're winning the battle and by the time they figure it out that the masses are elsewhere, it'll be too late.
Unfortunately VCs care mainly about growth, so it'll be difficult for either company to rid itself of these players.
The pros DO know the players and DO watch the games....
You guys are getting a little ridiculous with all the assumptions you are making here.
Aerial Assault
Footballguy
MT just stated that he plays college DFS without knowing anything about the players. The Bloomberg article linked upthread about the math guy who spends 10-15 hours a day writing scripts didn't contain any information about his football knowledge. Moreover, it is clear from numerous other sources that to be successful, you need to reduce the entire endeavor to a software-driven probabilities exercise. That's not the least bit interesting or fun to me, and as a result, I'm both amused and saddened by the cynical ad appeals enticing rubes with promises of instant riches, when in fact you need almost a full-time bank of computers even to compete, let alone win. Talk about taking the fun out of something.
To each his own.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
knew it was a scammquinnjr said:
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
FANDUEL PAYS OUT $75M A WEEK!!
Fantasysports1
Footballguy
Any one who is plugged in or plays DFS seriously knows that it is beatable. NFL is the easiest sport because there are a lot of casuals. It is estimated millions more players will be in NFL this season. Try to improve or look for advice if you aren't winning instead of making assumptions that it is rigged or unfair.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
lol OK guy, I just don't care enough, its not what I play FF for, trying to grind out a small profit, I play DFS to try and hit the home run. Its like playing carribean stud poker at the casino, I don't care about the 20 bucks I lose, Im hoping for a lightning strike.
Fantasysports1
Footballguy
The goal of the cash games are to build your bankroll so you may eventually be able to play higher and higher stakes. If you just go for GPP's, you will likely lose money over time unless you place in GPP's and hit one, etc. A cash player if he wins consistently can use the profits from cash and use some of it to play GPP's. This way they can keep going and hopefully they hit a big GPP eventually. If one keeps chasing GPP's they will need to reload and probably have a tougher time because they don't play as much as they could if they were generating income from cash games.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Back to the advertising topic, this morning I kept hearing DraftKings's radio ad for free entry into the Millionaire Maker. No mention whatsoever that you must 1st make a deposit to be eligible. They don't mention in TV ads,either, but I didn't pay attention to whether there is any tiny on-screen print about it.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Yeah pretty much sick of the ads too. Hopefully it slows down after week1 but i doubt it
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
It will, they'll bankrupt themselves if they kept at this pace for a season.
James Daulton
Footballguy
I play low stakes, generally win more than lose, and find it an enjoyable diversion.
snellman
Footballguy
Amused to Death
Footballguy
He started with $50K in 2013 and ran it up to like $94K by the end of the season. Then he started with a mere $40K last year and was down $11K after the first four weeks, but ran it up to around $58K by the end of the season.
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comfortably numb
Footballguy
are you indenting your paragraphs?Fantasysports1 said:
What is this? 1987?
reminds me of an older guy I used to work with.
He would always send out emails and indent...i would hear him hitting the space bar like 17 times.
Ted Stickles
Footballguy
No offense but these margins, while pretty good, do not seem all that great with all things considered. Going to back to the cheatsheets.net days, Dodds has been an expert in the FF realm. In these other articles linked, the top 1-2% whales that dominate the DFS have winnings in the hundreds of thousands if not upwards of a million.Maurile Tremblay said:
To win 45k and 18K is nothing to scoff at, but for one of the industries experts with all tools at his disposal, who wrote a blog and/or book on this very subject, just seems to me pretty underwhleming...
No offense but I'd expect Dodds to have a much better win percentage then this. He does this for a good portion of his living, amirite?
The guys who are winning hundreds of thousands are betting millions. The guys who are winning millions are betting tens of millions. (I don't mean the guys who get lucky and win a Millionaire Maker contest on a $27 entry fee. I mean the pros whose results are in line with their long-term expectations.)
I doubt too many people betting as much as Dodds had a higher ROI over that period than he did.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
The rake x the number of people they have playing is incredible. Contests like the MM are only going to keep that going.
It'll level off at some point, the way poker did, but we're not there yet.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I saw a good one before...
"I deposited $35 and I've won $2.1MM"
this is essentially the equivalent of winning the lottery.
"I deposited $35 and I've won $2.1MM"
this is essentially the equivalent of winning the lottery.
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MattFancy
Footballguy
My wife was sitting with me when she saw that. Her response, "that guy is full of ####" lolI saw a good one before...
"I deposited $35 and I've won $2.1MM"
NMYMND
Footballguy
Same here. Wife caught that line and said roughly the same thing. I pointed out the phrasing - "deposited" and "won" - walks that line between being a completely true statement and not telling the whole story.My wife was sitting with me when she saw that. Her response, "that guy is full of ####" lolI saw a good one before...
"I deposited $35 and I've won $2.1MM"
glvsav37
Footballguy
I have GB who won $1M on a FB game last season, right around Thanksgiving weekend on a $25'ish bet. But I chalk that up to pure luck.My wife was sitting with me when she saw that. Her response, "that guy is full of ####" lolI saw a good one before...
"I deposited $35 and I've won $2.1MM"
He plays a lot of entries now (posting some of his finishes on FB and private messages to our group) and generally he makes a decent profit week over week. But I still think his jackpot was 100% luck
bigmarc27
Footballguy
This is where I'm at - put in $50 last year, currently have $42 in the bank with another $10 in play pending tonight's outcomes. It just gives me something to do, but I would never put real $ into it.
For me though, if it's a conduit to getting poker back and legal (and easy), I'm game.
RUSF18
Footballguy
So the $10 million contest they were advertising the hell out of ended up with 520K entries (not individual people) at $20 a pop, so they cleared the prize pool payout at least. I'm not sure how big their contests have been in the past, but I would have thought they would have gotten a lot more entries based on the advertising effort. I know the hope is that people who never played before will win a few bucks, burn through that and reload, but at first look I question how successful this was.
James Daulton
Footballguy
Deposited $50 last year, ended with $150, if the bankroll gets over $300 I'll pull out $200. It's a lot of fun when you're using play money. Way to much stress if real $'s were involved. I love to read stories about the NFL and players anyway so it's not like I'm spending time on it I would be spending doing anything more productive.
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bigmarc27
Footballguy
Yep, exactly. I was up to maybe $120 on football. Got bored in the offseason and played basketball even though I know nothing about the NBA. Threw away from $60 on that.
My favorite is playing the late slate of CFB games. I learned way more about the WAC by playing dfs than anything else.
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Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Someone explain to me like I'm 10 how bots can predict nfl stats each weekend.
Fantasysports1
Footballguy
Yes FD and DK operate on a rake system. The cash games are beatable. I think roughly 2-3% of players are profitable in a given season. You don't have to be a pro to be profitable. In NFL there are millions of newer players playing these two sites this year. Most of you guys have a strong knowledge of fantasy football and can win if you put in the time, understand the process, have discipline and BR management. You guys know more about fantasy football than most of the newer players.
Sure being profitable over time can be tough because the fish start to drop out but in NFL so many casuals play that it is possible at least for the short term that you are not facing that difficult competition to cash. You cannot blame scripts and bots on why you lose. I do not think those things affect the cash games to the point where using high floor, top value plays does not work more often than not in cash games.
Sure being profitable over time can be tough because the fish start to drop out but in NFL so many casuals play that it is possible at least for the short term that you are not facing that difficult competition to cash. You cannot blame scripts and bots on why you lose. I do not think those things affect the cash games to the point where using high floor, top value plays does not work more often than not in cash games.
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Insoxicated
Bots don't do the projecting, per se (though many pros use advanced statistical modeling to gain an advantage).
Bots DO allow automation of league entry and I believe they assist with lineup optimization. Another perk is they can allow mass changes based on late breaking news (injury or otherwise). This provides a pretty significant advantage, IMO.
SOME rumors of bots that will scan lineups after first round of games optimize/adapt the lineups based on who the opponent has left. Not sure if that's legit or not.
