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I also think the referral codes are to track advertising effectiveness.(time, medium,station/channel)

Does Fanduel have beginner contests? Came up empty searching on beginner or rookie. I have my $2 "windfall" from the free new player (50/50) contest to play.

Also, is there any reason to pick the slate including vs excluding the Thurs game?
Yes they are... They're all prob very similar offers, just different codes so that FD/DK know where the user came from to optimize spending efforts. It is obviously much easier to track effectiveness off of the internet.

 
Congress Is Going to Examine Fantasy Sports & Gambling

“Anyone who watched a game this weekend was inundated by commercials for fantasy sports websites, and it’s only the first week of the NFL season,” said Ranking Member Pallone. “These sites are enormously popular, arguably central to the fans’ experience, and professional leagues are seeing the enormous profits as a result. Despite how mainstream these sites have become, though, the legal landscape governing these activities remains murky and should be reviewed.”

 
Looks like all that advertising got Congress attention



Representative Frank Pallone cited FanDuel and DraftKings as particularly prominent daily fantasy sites. “Anyone who watched a game this weekend was inundated by commercials for fantasy sports websites, and it’s only the first week of the NFL season,” he said in a statement Monday. “These sites are enormously popular, arguably central to the fans’ experience, and professional leagues are seeing the enormous profits as a result. Despite how mainstream these sites have become, though, the legal landscape governing these activities remains murky and should be reviewed.”Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/424007/house-democrat-investigate-fantasy-football-sites
Why cant the government just leave us alone.
Lots of "square" people are going to be separated from their deposits to fund the winnings of the big winners and the rake for the sites. I wouldn't say the people who even know FBG exists/post here fall into that category. That is exactly who DK/FD need signing up and depositing, thus the relentless advertising IMO.

ETA: To add, comparing to sports betting (non-fantasy markets), it's just the format that's different/compliant with the "fantasy loophole." Because it's legal and fantasy/not a game market like a spread or a total # of points scored, people fall under the auspice of "Oh, it's fantasy sports so it's not so bad to dip my toes in." My point being, both are equally as risky, but I think people tread more lightly with game markets because of its demonization, being only legal in Las Vegas in the US for wagering purposes.

I don't see a financial risk of loss difference at all between DFS and full game sports markets, you can win money or lose your shirt in both. I think DK/FD are playing to the "Fantasy sports are safer" or "everyone does fantasy football" perception aspect with their guerrilla marketing to bring in cash flow, and that frightens me for the average Joe, which is exactly where their square money will come from.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander - Legalize both and educate people on the risk of both DFS and full game wagering, or shut down both. Let's not pretend like they are separate entities from a financial risk perspective, they really are not. DK/FD are "all in" while that thought is not in people's heads and DFS is still legal IMO.

 
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MattFancy said:
Congress Is Going to Examine Fantasy Sports & Gambling

“Anyone who watched a game this weekend was inundated by commercials for fantasy sports websites, and it’s only the first week of the NFL season,” said Ranking Member Pallone. “These sites are enormously popular, arguably central to the fans’ experience, and professional leagues are seeing the enormous profits as a result. Despite how mainstream these sites have become, though, the legal landscape governing these activities remains murky and should be reviewed.”
Of course this is going to happen. Bombarding people with gambling advertisements is bound to get noticed.

 
One of the testimonial ad guys says something like "The only difference between me and them is that I played and they didn't".

While I assume the point was to encourage the inexperienced to join, this does not seem helpful to the argument that the game takes skill over luck.

 
They should at least make FanDuel pay some $$$ to fund government anti-gambling campaigns.

A great concept for the commercials would be "I lost my house, car, etc. because FanDuel! It was so easy!!!"

 
MattFancy said:
Congress Is Going to Examine Fantasy Sports & Gambling

“Anyone who watched a game this weekend was inundated by commercials for fantasy sports websites, and it’s only the first week of the NFL season,” said Ranking Member Pallone. “These sites are enormously popular, arguably central to the fans’ experience, and professional leagues are seeing the enormous profits as a result. Despite how mainstream these sites have become, though, the legal landscape governing these activities remains murky and should be reviewed.”
Could have told you this was going to happen.... Normal fantasy was extremely popular but flew under the radar for the most part. Daily fantasy is the Crack cocaine to the powdered cocaine of the fantasy world. Too gaudy and now could bring the whole system crashing down.

It would be rather entertaining to see the greed of the fantasy industry end up coming back and clipping it's own wings.

 
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One of the testimonial ad guys says something like "The only difference between me and them is that I played and they didn't".

While I assume the point was to encourage the inexperienced to join, this does not seem helpful to the argument that the game takes skill over luck.
that was the IL lottery's shtick a few years ago "You can't win if you don't play"

 
MattFancy said:
Congress Is Going to Examine Fantasy Sports & Gambling

“Anyone who watched a game this weekend was inundated by commercials for fantasy sports websites, and it’s only the first week of the NFL season,” said Ranking Member Pallone. “These sites are enormously popular, arguably central to the fans’ experience, and professional leagues are seeing the enormous profits as a result. Despite how mainstream these sites have become, though, the legal landscape governing these activities remains murky and should be reviewed.”
Could have told you this was going to happen.... Normal fantasy was extremely popular but flew under the radar for the most part. Daily fantasy is the Crack cocaine to the powdered cocaine of the fantasy world. Too gaudy and now could bring the whole system crashing down.

It would be rather entertaining to see the greed of the fantasy industry end up coming back and clipping it's own wings.
The leading contest lawyers in the country from NY spoke for over five years straight at both FSTA conferences each year before DFS was invented. The idea passed their concerns. It only has to be 51% skill to be legal. And it is. It can be proven without a shadow of a doubt that it takes skill to win a salary cap game.

 
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It takes skill over significant sample size. There are non pros who win at this consistently.
1.3% players are profitable long term, according to a SBJ study over 3 months. Link below:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-10/you-aren-t-good-enough-to-win-money-playing-daily-fantasy-football
That is baseball and over a tough stretch of that sport season I believe. Baseball is tough, probably the hardest to win of the three big sports. I have seen numerous people said the variance of baseball is tough to win in.

NFL is different because you get more casual fans who enter subpar cash lineups at least in theory.

If the competition is weak you can win more often than not. Why is it that the top players like CSURAM end up winning a lot vs. new players. You always see newer players complain that these guys are close to unbeatable. The reason is because these pros have so much experience, tools and connections that help them win vs a less skilled opponent.

The rake needs to be lower for the cash games because the vig is extra high. If the rake was actually 10%, much easier.

 
Just heard 6 straight FanDuel commercials on the radio. Just repeated the same exact commercial for the entirety of the commercial break. Really annoying.

 
It takes skill over significant sample size. There are non pros who win at this consistently.
1.3% players are profitable long term, according to a SBJ study over 3 months. Link below:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-10/you-aren-t-good-enough-to-win-money-playing-daily-fantasy-football
and right below that it says another survey said 70% lose. I find that number to be more realistic because many play tournaments where only 20% win and the prizes that are very profitable at the very top of the pay scale. If people only played 50/50's, the percentage of profit owners would rise quite a bit.

 
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It takes skill over significant sample size. There are non pros who win at this consistently.
1.3% players are profitable long term, according to a SBJ study over 3 months. Link below:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-10/you-aren-t-good-enough-to-win-money-playing-daily-fantasy-football
and right below that it says another survey said 70% lose. I find that number to be more realistic because many play tournaments where only 20% win and the prizes that are very profitable at the very top of the pay scale. If people only played 50/50's, the percentage of profit owners would rise quite a bit.
I think that 70% is self-reporting.

I know that around 3-5% of sports bettors are profitable. As part of that 3-5% and being a casual DFS player, I think that number is probably about right. DFS is much tougher.

 
It takes skill over significant sample size. There are non pros who win at this consistently.
1.3% players are profitable long term, according to a SBJ study over 3 months. Link below:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-10/you-aren-t-good-enough-to-win-money-playing-daily-fantasy-football
and right below that it says another survey said 70% lose. I find that number to be more realistic because many play tournaments where only 20% win and the prizes that are very profitable at the very top of the pay scale. If people only played 50/50's, the percentage of profit owners would rise quite a bit.
I think that 70% is self-reporting.

I know that around 3-5% of sports bettors are profitable. As part of that 3-5% and being a casual DFS player, I think that number is probably about right. DFS is much tougher.
I don't know about the 3-5%. Maybe over the course of a sport season like NFL. That is only about 53%. If so many people are profitable why can't more people do this for a living or a secondary income? The reason is over the course of multiple seasons the percentage drops a lot. Then you factor in how many people are actually good enough to win in multiple sports like NBA, CBB, CFB, boxing/MMA, etc.

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Specific question about advertising...I know every podcast/radio show has their own unique promo code that they are pushing to get referrals from these guys. But just on watching MNF now, the last two DK commercials here had codes of TURF and TICKET. Are unrelated companies buying these ads on behalf of DK, trying to reap the benefits of exposure to a larger audience, or are they as a company just promoting different codes for whatever reason?
I suspect that DK just knows that people are more likely to sign up if they think they have a special code.
True. However, on ESPN radio the code is always 3030. The government is behind all of this.

 
I just saw a commercial targeting seniors. It was an old lady saying "I play with my grandson!". I live in FL so they may not be airing this nationally.

 
It takes skill over significant sample size. There are non pros who win at this consistently.
1.3% players are profitable long term, according to a SBJ study over 3 months. Link below:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-10/you-aren-t-good-enough-to-win-money-playing-daily-fantasy-football
and right below that it says another survey said 70% lose. I find that number to be more realistic because many play tournaments where only 20% win and the prizes that are very profitable at the very top of the pay scale. If people only played 50/50's, the percentage of profit owners would rise quite a bit.
I think that 70% is self-reporting.

I know that around 3-5% of sports bettors are profitable. As part of that 3-5% and being a casual DFS player, I think that number is probably about right. DFS is much tougher.
I don't know about the 3-5%. Maybe over the course of a sport season like NFL. That is only about 53%. If so many people are profitable why can't more people do this for a living or a secondary income? The reason is over the course of multiple seasons the percentage drops a lot. Then you factor in how many people are actually good enough to win in multiple sports like NBA, CBB, CFB, boxing/MMA, etc.
That 3-5% is probably a lot of people who, like myself, can beat the books for fairly modest amounts, but have to battle getting cut, finding books, etc. Just because you can win consistently doesn't necessarily mean you can just keep scaling up your bet sizes and keep winning exponential amounts.

I also think that it's rare for people to have the analytical skills and patience to find advantages and the stomach to move up into mid/high stakes. People who have the former typically don't have the latter, and people who have the latter typically don't have the former...and get killed.

 
Any one who is plugged in or plays DFS seriously knows that it is beatable. NFL is the easiest sport because there are a lot of casuals. It is estimated millions more players will be in NFL this season. Try to improve or look for advice if you aren't winning instead of making assumptions that it is rigged or unfair.
lol OK guy, I just don't care enough, its not what I play FF for, trying to grind out a small profit, I play DFS to try and hit the home run. Its like playing carribean stud poker at the casino, I don't care about the 20 bucks I lose, Im hoping for a lightning strike.
The goal of the cash games are to build your bankroll so you may eventually be able to play higher and higher stakes. If you just go for GPP's, you will likely lose money over time unless you place in GPP's and hit one, etc. A cash player if he wins consistently can use the profits from cash and use some of it to play GPP's. This way they can keep going and hopefully they hit a big GPP eventually. If one keeps chasing GPP's they will need to reload and probably have a tougher time because they don't play as much as they could if they were generating income from cash games.
are you indenting your paragraphs?

What is this? 1987?

reminds me of an older guy I used to work with.

He would always send out emails and indent...i would hear him hitting the space bar like 17 times.
WTF
 
I bet $10 of my bankroll last week and am up $0.20.

beating the odds.
Quit while you're ahead
I am in the unfortunate position of nailing (almost) everything I entered, for a 200% return, on my first attempt at DFS. Won money in two freerolls, a satellite, cashed in every tournament, every 50/50 and doubleup, and all my H2H matchups except for a single, $1 contest. Dipped my toe into 22 contests and cashed in 21 with 3 different lineups. Finished in the top 1-2% of all the tourneys. Which only means now I'm so sure of my mad skillz I'm kicking myself for not risking more and now I'll probably blow my whole bankroll in three weeks. :kicksrock:
I played in '12 & '13 and both years I couldn't lose for the first 3 weeks. After that, couldn't even hit on the 50/50's. Didn't play last year and never even thought about it this year.

 
I bet $10 of my bankroll last week and am up $0.20.

beating the odds.
Quit while you're ahead
I am in the unfortunate position of nailing (almost) everything I entered, for a 200% return, on my first attempt at DFS. Won money in two freerolls, a satellite, cashed in every tournament, every 50/50 and doubleup, and all my H2H matchups except for a single, $1 contest. Dipped my toe into 22 contests and cashed in 21 with 3 different lineups. Finished in the top 1-2% of all the tourneys. Which only means now I'm so sure of my mad skillz I'm kicking myself for not risking more and now I'll probably blow my whole bankroll in three weeks. :kicksrock:
This.. 12 of 13 on my first go. The one I missed was the freeroll where I intentionally put longshots in....

The 50/50's seem almost too easy. I think I will stick to those from here out and just build slow.

Also - several of the 50/50s did not fill up, so your odds were better than 50/50 (or whatever).... is this common? For example a 10000 entry $25 contest that paid the top 4500 (if i recall) only had 7000ish enter.

 
I bet $10 of my bankroll last week and am up $0.20.

beating the odds.
Quit while you're ahead
I am in the unfortunate position of nailing (almost) everything I entered, for a 200% return, on my first attempt at DFS. Won money in two freerolls, a satellite, cashed in every tournament, every 50/50 and doubleup, and all my H2H matchups except for a single, $1 contest. Dipped my toe into 22 contests and cashed in 21 with 3 different lineups. Finished in the top 1-2% of all the tourneys. Which only means now I'm so sure of my mad skillz I'm kicking myself for not risking more and now I'll probably blow my whole bankroll in three weeks. :kicksrock:
This.. 12 of 13 on my first go. The one I missed was the freeroll where I intentionally put longshots in....

The 50/50's seem almost too easy. I think I will stick to those from here out and just build slow.

Also - several of the 50/50s did not fill up, so your odds were better than 50/50 (or whatever).... is this common? For example a 10000 entry $25 contest that paid the top 4500 (if i recall) only had 7000ish enter.
Which site are you on?

 
MattFancy said:
Congress Is Going to Examine Fantasy Sports & Gambling

“Anyone who watched a game this weekend was inundated by commercials for fantasy sports websites, and it’s only the first week of the NFL season,” said Ranking Member Pallone. “These sites are enormously popular, arguably central to the fans’ experience, and professional leagues are seeing the enormous profits as a result. Despite how mainstream these sites have become, though, the legal landscape governing these activities remains murky and should be reviewed.”
I just wish they would extend this to everyone else. How many times have you been watching a sporting event and seen insurance commercials over the course of your lifetime? There are a bunch of actuaries locked in a closet somewhere to make sure you(or most people) never come out ahead buying insurance as well. Guess I have missed the outrage toward those folks.

 
At this stage i think DFS is all about finding tourneys with overlay. Why people play on Fanduel and Draftings is beyond me.

There were tons of sites where the tourneys only filled up like 40% where you only had to come in the top 60% to cash.

Granted i wouldn't waste time looking around myself but a friend sent me links to different tourneys with huge overlay and it would have been hard to not cash.

not a fan of DFS in general as it's a super shady industry but there is a lot of free money out there on the smaller sites.

 
I bet $10 of my bankroll last week and am up $0.20.

beating the odds.
Quit while you're ahead
I am in the unfortunate position of nailing (almost) everything I entered, for a 200% return, on my first attempt at DFS. Won money in two freerolls, a satellite, cashed in every tournament, every 50/50 and doubleup, and all my H2H matchups except for a single, $1 contest. Dipped my toe into 22 contests and cashed in 21 with 3 different lineups. Finished in the top 1-2% of all the tourneys. Which only means now I'm so sure of my mad skillz I'm kicking myself for not risking more and now I'll probably blow my whole bankroll in three weeks. :kicksrock:
This.. 12 of 13 on my first go. The one I missed was the freeroll where I intentionally put longshots in....

The 50/50's seem almost too easy. I think I will stick to those from here out and just build slow.

Also - several of the 50/50s did not fill up, so your odds were better than 50/50 (or whatever).... is this common? For example a 10000 entry $25 contest that paid the top 4500 (if i recall) only had 7000ish enter.
Which site are you on?
Fan Duel and Yahoo.. Yahoo was full of empty contests.

Fan Duel had a couple as well.. just had to go to $25+.

 
Fanduel had a huge overlay tonight in the 1.5 mil super grand slam so I threw a couple entries in. I should finish ahead, but now I remember why I quit playing daily baseball :wall:

 
MattFancy said:
Congress Is Going to Examine Fantasy Sports & Gambling

Anyone who watched a game this weekend was inundated by commercials for fantasy sports websites, and its only the first week of the NFL season, said Ranking Member Pallone. These sites are enormously popular, arguably central to the fans experience, and professional leagues are seeing the enormous profits as a result. Despite how mainstream these sites have become, though, the legal landscape governing these activities remains murky and should be reviewed.
I just wish they would extend this to everyone else. How many times have you been watching a sporting event and seen insurance commercials over the course of your lifetime? There are a bunch of actuaries locked in a closet somewhere to make sure you(or most people) never come out ahead buying insurance as well. Guess I have missed the outrage toward those folks.
that's not what actuaries do moron
 
At this stage i think DFS is all about finding tourneys with overlay. Why people play on Fanduel and Draftings is beyond me.

There were tons of sites where the tourneys only filled up like 40% where you only had to come in the top 60% to cash.

Granted i wouldn't waste time looking around myself but a friend sent me links to different tourneys with huge overlay and it would have been hard to not cash.

not a fan of DFS in general as it's a super shady industry but there is a lot of free money out there on the smaller sites.
What is overlay? (I don't gamble outside of $5 weekly football pools so I am not hip to some of these gambling terms.)

 
MattFancy said:
Congress Is Going to Examine Fantasy Sports & Gambling

“Anyone who watched a game this weekend was inundated by commercials for fantasy sports websites, and it’s only the first week of the NFL season,” said Ranking Member Pallone. “These sites are enormously popular, arguably central to the fans’ experience, and professional leagues are seeing the enormous profits as a result. Despite how mainstream these sites have become, though, the legal landscape governing these activities remains murky and should be reviewed.”
I just wish they would extend this to everyone else. How many times have you been watching a sporting event and seen insurance commercials over the course of your lifetime? There are a bunch of actuaries locked in a closet somewhere to make sure you(or most people) never come out ahead buying insurance as well. Guess I have missed the outrage toward those folks.
So you want DFS to have a similar level of regulation as the insurance industry? You sure about that?

 
At this stage i think DFS is all about finding tourneys with overlay. Why people play on Fanduel and Draftings is beyond me.

There were tons of sites where the tourneys only filled up like 40% where you only had to come in the top 60% to cash.

Granted i wouldn't waste time looking around myself but a friend sent me links to different tourneys with huge overlay and it would have been hard to not cash.

not a fan of DFS in general as it's a super shady industry but there is a lot of free money out there on the smaller sites.
What is overlay? (I don't gamble outside of $5 weekly football pools so I am not hip to some of these gambling terms.)
It's when the site guarantees a certain prize fund (let's say $1 million) but the tourney doesn't completely fill. As a result, the site loses money and the entrants odds are now better of winning money since the prize fund was guaranteed.

Players will search for these overlays as it gets close to tourney time (1 pm on Sunday, for example).

 
Fanduel had a huge overlay tonight in the 1.5 mil super grand slam so I threw a couple entries in. I should finish ahead, but now I remember why I quit playing daily baseball :wall:
I got that email too and even though I've never done MLB, I did some research for about 1/2 hour and threw in a lineup that turned my $25 into $60. I was like a point out of $75. Oh well, baseball is very stressful with the negative points and so many freaking innings. My winnings will translate into 3 Chipotle burritos. Unless of course I lose it all in the future.

 
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At this stage i think DFS is all about finding tourneys with overlay. Why people play on Fanduel and Draftings is beyond me.

There were tons of sites where the tourneys only filled up like 40% where you only had to come in the top 60% to cash.

Granted i wouldn't waste time looking around myself but a friend sent me links to different tourneys with huge overlay and it would have been hard to not cash.

not a fan of DFS in general as it's a super shady industry but there is a lot of free money out there on the smaller sites.
Fanduel and DK are the main sites and offer the biggest prizes and are the easiest to use. It is mainstream, other sites have different salaries, rules where good information is harder to find.

Overlay is good but ultimately you have to be able to win with no overlay. Overlay is good in GPPs because it is easier to get into the top 15% or so you need to min cash. As a result you can be more aggressive in GPPs because you have a better chance of getting part or all of your entries back. Still the goal is to win a GPP and overlay does not matter there.

 
MattFancy said:
Congress Is Going to Examine Fantasy Sports & Gambling

“Anyone who watched a game this weekend was inundated by commercials for fantasy sports websites, and it’s only the first week of the NFL season,” said Ranking Member Pallone. “These sites are enormously popular, arguably central to the fans’ experience, and professional leagues are seeing the enormous profits as a result. Despite how mainstream these sites have become, though, the legal landscape governing these activities remains murky and should be reviewed.”
Could have told you this was going to happen.... Normal fantasy was extremely popular but flew under the radar for the most part. Daily fantasy is the Crack cocaine to the powdered cocaine of the fantasy world. Too gaudy and now could bring the whole system crashing down.

It would be rather entertaining to see the greed of the fantasy industry end up coming back and clipping it's own wings.
The leading contest lawyers in the country from NY spoke for over five years straight at both FSTA conferences each year before DFS was invented. The idea passed their concerns. It only has to be 51% skill to be legal. And it is. It can be proven without a shadow of a doubt that it takes skill to win a salary cap game.
Tell that to us poker players who have been waiting a decade for online poker to be regulated....

 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/17/sports/football/draftkings-fanduel-fantasy-sports-games.html?_r=0.

The league’s leadership, however, has done nothing to stop individual teams from diving in, and two powerful N.F.L. owners — Jerry Jones of the Cowboys and Robert K. Kraft of the New England Patriots — have stakes in DraftKings.
Seems like everyone, including league owners, are in on this action. It's going to be hard to push it back at this point, so just add sports gambling IMO and educate people that both DFS and sports wagering bear the same amount of financial risk.

 
Are DraftKings and FanDuel Bombarding Fans With Too Many Ads?"DraftKings was the single biggest advertiser on television in the last seven days as of Monday: 5,800 airings for about $20 million, according to ad tracker iSpot.tv. Since Aug. 1, DraftKings has spent $81 million on ads that have aired more than 22,000 times, according to iSpot.tv. FanDuel, for its part, has spent $20 million on 7,500 airings since Aug. 1."

5,800 commercials over 7 days?! My math may be shaky, but that's ~829/day or ~35/hour.

 

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