did anyone see this GB implosion coming before the season? (1 Viewer)

[kdt]

preseason GB was widely considered as a high powered offense. naturally, we assume GB would be high powered also in the season. and they kind of are. people like greg jennings, grant, rodgers, maybe even finley and driver were primed for big seasons.

NOT NEARLY as much as preseason though. line is terrible, rodgers won't get rid of the ball, gb won't run enough, etc. basically GB turned upside down.

so far greg jennings hasn't warranted the draft pick, grant is mediocre but consistent, rodgers is thriving being able to throw from behind all the time and rushing for TDs on blown pass plays while getting sacked all day. finley was near breakout, but got injured. driver is the real cinderella story. nonetheless...

did anyone see this offense implosion coming? kudos to you if you did during the preseason, but what i'd like to know is what tipped you off to this preseason GB illusion. hopefully we won't fall into the same trap next year from what we find out in this thread

 

[jon_mx]

Brett Farve....

 

[AB in DC]

line is terrible

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[kdt]

was the line terrible preseason?

 

[SuperJohn96]

line is terrible

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Rodgers will NOT get rid of the ball...even a great line can't hold off the defense forever.He takes WAY too many sacks for my liking.

 

[Sabertooth]

Yeah, Rodgers is looking eerily similar to Joey Harrington out there. He just won't throw it unless a guy is clearly open. Heck, he got sacked when they were in desperation time. He's probably responsible for 50% of his own sacks this season.

 

[harryhood]

Lets not forget how bad this defense stinks either. I thought I struck gold when I got them in my draft this year. Their secondary is awful and they get ZERO pressure on the QB

 

[Sinrman]

Very simple. Watching Packers games, it's entirely their O-line. Watching Rodgers getting killed each week brings back visions of David Carr for a few years as he got killed week in and week out. That entire O-line should be fired and replaced... how many sacks a week are they giving up now? I lost count after four yesterday against lowly Tampa!

 

[harryhood]

Watching Packers games, it's entirely their O-line.

14 fourth quarter points to a winless team and a rookie QB. Not entirely the O-line. Even last week at home - anytime they made up some ground late and got close, their defense would just give it right back.

 

[Bankerguy]

Looking forward to seeing the Dallas pass rush next week-yet I am leery of this game from a Cowboy's perspective.

 

[Tau837]

Yeah, Rodgers is looking eerily similar to Joey Harrington out there.

Yeah, except for the passing yards, high TDs, low turnovers, completion percentage, YPA, QB rating, and running ability this comparison is spot on. Rodgers is getting sacked on 12.1% of his dropbacks this season... a ridiculous number far higher than anything Harrington ever posted. The most troubling thing about it is that Rodgers was only sacked 6% of the time last season... not sure how to explain such a regression in a second year QB. It certainly is not all on the offensive line and playcalling.

 

[Please See Mine]

line is terrible

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Rodgers will NOT get rid of the ball...even a great line can't hold off the defense forever.He takes WAY too many sacks for my liking.

Very simple. Watching Packers games, it's entirely their O-line. Watching Rodgers getting killed each week brings back visions of David Carr for a few years as he got killed week in and week out. That entire O-line should be fired and replaced... how many sacks a week are they giving up now? I lost count after four yesterday against lowly Tampa!

I was trying to figure this out yesterday. The line was not great, but there were also plenty of times where Rodgers had sufficient time and didn't make a throw. I wasn't sure if the TB coverage was just that good (couldn't imagine how that could be based on their stats). Is Rodgers trying to find a receiver who is extremely open? McNabb used to have a big problem with this but he was able to make up for it with his running. He's improved a bit in throwing passes into coverage (with a purpose, obviously).

 

[sho nuff]

Watching Packers games, it's entirely their O-line.

14 fourth quarter points to a winless team and a rookie QB. Not entirely the O-line. Even last week at home - anytime they made up some ground late and got close, their defense would just give it right back.

And not all of it was defense.Nor is it all the Oline.In no order-Oline is a sieve-Rodgers is holding it too long as well.-Special teams play is pathetic...where I say it was not all the defense...they gave up a ton to Harvin last week and kept kicking it to him at about the 10 yard line...this week after taking an 11 point lead, they gave up an 82 yard kickoff return and also had a punt blocked for a TD early in the game.-defense...no blitz, Kampman dropping back too much...which they said they would not do as much and IMO are doing so to try and rush Matthews more...and DBs just not making plays.-penalties...just dumb ones. For example...having Minny stopped and settling for a FG and Jolly headbutting Chester Taylor. Just dumb things all year long.-coaching...line sucks...ok, lets pass some more. Never a commitment to run the ball...and constantly looking for big plays. Slow to adjust to nearly everything the other team is doing.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Yeah, Rodgers is looking eerily similar to Joey Harrington out there. He just won't throw it unless a guy is clearly open. Heck, he got sacked when they were in desperation time. He's probably responsible for 50% of his own sacks this season.

If there was a QB who was the anti-Joey Harrington, it's Aaron Rodgers. Harrington was outstanding at getting the ball off despite playing behind some bad OLs; he somehow led the league in sack rate (good) twice, as he was good at at least releasing the ball instead of taking a sack. Once he threw it, nothing good seemed to happen. Exact opposite of Rodgers, IMO.

 

[Chase Stuart]

The two teams with the worst OLs coming into the year were Buffalo and Cincinnati. I thought it was tough to draft players on either team because of that. The Bills OL looked good in the opener, but has been bad since. The Cincy offensive line has played pretty well, and obviously has been producing some fantasy studs, too.

 

[Da Guru]

Yeah, Rodgers is looking eerily similar to Joey Harrington out there. He just won't throw it unless a guy is clearly open. Heck, he got sacked when they were in desperation time. He's probably responsible for 50% of his own sacks this season.

If there was a QB who was the anti-Joey Harrington, it's Aaron Rodgers. Harrington was outstanding at getting the ball off despite playing behind some bad OLs; he somehow led the league in sack rate (good) twice, as he was good at at least releasing the ball instead of taking a sack. Once he threw it, nothing good seemed to happen. Exact opposite of Rodgers, IMO.

Joey was hardly ever sacked and got rid of the ball way too early to avoid getting hit. Rodgers hangs on to play make a play.GB is not winning but if you are in a league that does not have minus points for turnovers Rodgers is on fire.

 

[sho nuff]

And to those who say he just won't throw unless a guy is wide open.

Its true at times.

But he also threw a great back shoulder stop fade to a covered Jennings while being blitzed yesterday.

It happens.

But someone has to get it in his head that he does not have that much time to throw.

And Im not questioning his inteligence or ability to read defenses...but dumb it down for him to get the ball out quicker.

Give him 2 reads than either throw it away or tuck and run.

 

[basher]

also add complete abandonment of a short passing game that would help out a porous o-line. Early abandonment of a running game (I don't like Grant but he is a serviceable running back and should get more carries ... especially in games like yesterday)

 

[Fiddles]

GB were getting some hype in the preseason for looking like the best team

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/250268-...ers-at-the-helm

 

[VTjkru]

I dont know if it's so much an implosion but more of a false reading during preseason. The defense shouldnt have been thought of being "great" after switching to a new scheme. I'm actually fairly impressed with how the defense has been able to hold up after switching to a 3-4 without the personnel or the playmakers needed to make it work on a consistent basis.

After watching all of the Packers games this season I believe the offensive woes are attributed to these factors in this order:

- Sub par coaching. MM knows what his offense is capable of and what it's not capable of. It's been nine weeks! Knowing that your o-line is not world class, you can't draw up plays that require the QB to stay in the pocket for a lengthy amount of time. It's as if McCarthy is stubborn and doesn't want to adjust.

-Aaron Rodgers It's troublesome to hear that he has no plans on adjusting to the fact that he holds on to the ball too long. This goes hand in hand with the bad coaching. Aaron Rodgers has shown he's a good quarterback but he's not learning from his mistakes. It's a good thing that he looks to have a long career ahead of him cause hopefully he'll learn. He has to know that he doesnt have more than 4 seconds back there before he has to scramble. If he knows that's all he's got, he's gotta learn to find that receiver in that amount of time and get rid of it. I find it hard to believe that every opponent that we have played has covered this set of receivers for that long every time.

-OL Id say they are in the bottom third of the league right now but waaaay too much blame is placed on them. Rarely does Rodgers get sacked because the OL blew a blitz or let a defender through too early. Yeah, they're not great but they are serviceable. If they are giving Rodgers 3-5 seconds every play, that should be enough. Heck, Grant is having a quiet and decent year because the o-line is doing alright. If Grant was more of a dynamic back, you would see bigger runs.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

And to those who say he just won't throw unless a guy is wide open.Its true at times.But he also threw a great back shoulder stop fade to a covered Jennings while being blitzed yesterday.It happens.But someone has to get it in his head that he does not have that much time to throw.And Im not questioning his inteligence or ability to read defenses...but dumb it down for him to get the ball out quicker.Give him 2 reads than either throw it away or tuck and run.

Are they still running a west coast offense? If it is a version of it, then they should be short routes anyway. It is difficult to understand. Up until yesterday, he hadn't been throwing INTs, so you can accept a few extra sacks, but you can't have both. In defense of Rodgers, I thought a few of the sacks he took against the Vikings were acceptable since they were in the red zone - if you hang on an extra second to make a play, that is ok by me, since a sack only turns a 25 yard field goal into a 32 yard field goal.I still think they will be in the thick of things for the wild card because they can score. The defense will come around as they learn, but they do need to figure out something with Kampman. Too good of a pass rusher to be used in coverage.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Yeah, Rodgers is looking eerily similar to Joey Harrington out there.

Yeah, except for the passing yards, high TDs, low turnovers, completion percentage, YPA, QB rating, and running ability this comparison is spot on. Rodgers is getting sacked on 12.1% of his dropbacks this season... a ridiculous number far higher than anything Harrington ever posted. The most troubling thing about it is that Rodgers was only sacked 6% of the time last season... not sure how to explain such a regression in a second year QB. It certainly is not all on the offensive line and playcalling.

joey didnt have as many guys open?

 

[sho nuff]

And to those who say he just won't throw unless a guy is wide open.Its true at times.But he also threw a great back shoulder stop fade to a covered Jennings while being blitzed yesterday.It happens.But someone has to get it in his head that he does not have that much time to throw.And Im not questioning his inteligence or ability to read defenses...but dumb it down for him to get the ball out quicker.Give him 2 reads than either throw it away or tuck and run.

Are they still running a west coast offense? If it is a version of it, then they should be short routes anyway. It is difficult to understand. Up until yesterday, he hadn't been throwing INTs, so you can accept a few extra sacks, but you can't have both. In defense of Rodgers, I thought a few of the sacks he took against the Vikings were acceptable since they were in the red zone - if you hang on an extra second to make a play, that is ok by me, since a sack only turns a 25 yard field goal into a 32 yard field goal.I still think they will be in the thick of things for the wild card because they can score. The defense will come around as they learn, but they do need to figure out something with Kampman. Too good of a pass rusher to be used in coverage.

Still a WCO version I guess with McCarthy, but it hardly resembles one at times.Agree on sacks are ok when you are not throwin INTs...but giving up both is just inexcusable.Not sure about the wildcard at this point. Win yesterday and I would agree. But look like that? I don't know if anyone on that team has faith in the coaching anymore. They looked defeated by halftime and it showed in the 2nd half.Special teams is just completely awful, defense shows no heart...offense is too wildly inconsistent as well.Kampman needs to be rushing the passer and little more. Yes, that means less of Clay Matthews on the blitz...but Kampman just cannot cover anything and it throws so much off having him drop back. He is not adjusting to it at all.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Didn't Grant only get 19 carries while averaging about 5 ypc. I saw a big day coming from Grant given the matchup. Only 19 carries? And not one reception?

As for Rodgers, I wouldn't be surprised if Rodgers holds on too long simply because he's trying to make a play like Favre used to do. But he isn't Favre in the sense that he's a "smart" QB who doesn't throw into tight coverage. So how does a QB who is risk-averse when it comes to throwing into traffic to make a play? He holds on hoping someone breaks free of the traffic.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

And to those who say he just won't throw unless a guy is wide open.Its true at times.But he also threw a great back shoulder stop fade to a covered Jennings while being blitzed yesterday.It happens.But someone has to get it in his head that he does not have that much time to throw.And Im not questioning his inteligence or ability to read defenses...but dumb it down for him to get the ball out quicker.Give him 2 reads than either throw it away or tuck and run.

Are they still running a west coast offense? If it is a version of it, then they should be short routes anyway. It is difficult to understand. Up until yesterday, he hadn't been throwing INTs, so you can accept a few extra sacks, but you can't have both.

And this is my biggest beef. You're looking at a team that runs west coast, and has proven time and again they have guys with great run after catch skills. Yet, there's Rodgers, holding, holding, holding, and looking for a big play downfield. Where are the slants? Where are the quick hits to WRs and TEs that allow them to make plays.For whatever reason, they've abandoned the things that made Jennings a star, and are looking vertical way too much.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

Didn't Grant only get 19 carries while averaging about 5 ypc. I saw a big day coming from Grant given the matchup. Only 19 carries? And not one reception?

No kidding. Grant and Green were gouging them, but they kept trying to throw.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

And to those who say he just won't throw unless a guy is wide open.Its true at times.But he also threw a great back shoulder stop fade to a covered Jennings while being blitzed yesterday.It happens.But someone has to get it in his head that he does not have that much time to throw.And Im not questioning his inteligence or ability to read defenses...but dumb it down for him to get the ball out quicker.Give him 2 reads than either throw it away or tuck and run.

Are they still running a west coast offense? If it is a version of it, then they should be short routes anyway. It is difficult to understand. Up until yesterday, he hadn't been throwing INTs, so you can accept a few extra sacks, but you can't have both.

And this is my biggest beef. You're looking at a team that runs west coast, and has proven time and again they have guys with great run after catch skills. Yet, there's Rodgers, holding, holding, holding, and looking for a big play downfield. Where are the slants? Where are the quick hits to WRs and TEs that allow them to make plays.For whatever reason, they've abandoned the things that made Jennings a star, and are looking vertical way too much.

They are running less of a Bill Walsh-style WCO that includes a ton of short passes and slants, and much more of the "original", vertical WCO that used to be run by Don Coryell in San Diego. For whatever reason, the talking heads on TV don't distinguish between the two even though they are very different.

 

[Sabertooth]

Yeah, Rodgers is looking eerily similar to Joey Harrington out there.

Yeah, except for the passing yards, high TDs, low turnovers, completion percentage, YPA, QB rating, and running ability this comparison is spot on. Rodgers is getting sacked on 12.1% of his dropbacks this season... a ridiculous number far higher than anything Harrington ever posted. The most troubling thing about it is that Rodgers was only sacked 6% of the time last season... not sure how to explain such a regression in a second year QB. It certainly is not all on the offensive line and playcalling.

I was speaking to his holding and patting the ball all day long. I think Aaron waits until the guy is open instead of throwing his guys open. He's trying to do way too much on every throw. He's not unlike a young Brett Favre, except that Brett would just whip the ball down the middle of the field instead of throwing it away. Rodgers just holds it. Not sure which is better.

 

[Challenge Everything]

Rodgers is trying to be the anti-Favre in a way. Rodgers does hold onto the ball too long and like a poster said, probably is responsible for half of his sacks this year. The OL has been average but due to Rodgers, looks like Swiss cheese. The one thing that is clear when watching Rodgers is that he will never give his WR's a chance to make a play. Timing patterns are not a thing he does and when competing an IN or CURL, it appears that he has to make eye-contact with the receiver before throwing it. Well, some of those patterns take 3-4 seconds to complete but the ball should be on its way after 2-3 seconds in the backfield. Rodgers timing with his receivers is terrible.

 

[ScottyFargo]

Very interesting that the way the club has been run was to avoid signing aged free agents and work through the draft, but the drafted key players are simply not working out.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Rodgers is trying to be the anti-Favre in a way. Rodgers does hold onto the ball too long and like a poster said, probably is responsible for half of his sacks this year. The OL has been average but due to Rodgers, looks like Swiss cheese. The one thing that is clear when watching Rodgers is that he will never give his WR's a chance to make a play. Timing patterns are not a thing he does and when competing an IN or CURL, it appears that he has to make eye-contact with the receiver before throwing it. Well, some of those patterns take 3-4 seconds to complete but the ball should be on its way after 2-3 seconds in the backfield. Rodgers timing with his receivers is terrible.

did I hear correctly yesterday that the packers scored their first TD on a drive that Rodgers had been sacked?

 

[ScottyFargo]

Rodgers is trying to be the anti-Favre in a way. Rodgers does hold onto the ball too long and like a poster said, probably is responsible for half of his sacks this year. The OL has been average but due to Rodgers, looks like Swiss cheese. The one thing that is clear when watching Rodgers is that he will never give his WR's a chance to make a play. Timing patterns are not a thing he does and when competing an IN or CURL, it appears that he has to make eye-contact with the receiver before throwing it. Well, some of those patterns take 3-4 seconds to complete but the ball should be on its way after 2-3 seconds in the backfield. Rodgers timing with his receivers is terrible.

did I hear correctly yesterday that the packers scored their first TD on a drive that Rodgers had been sacked?

That's what Nantz said, yeah.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Rodgers is trying to be the anti-Favre in a way. Rodgers does hold onto the ball too long and like a poster said, probably is responsible for half of his sacks this year. The OL has been average but due to Rodgers, looks like Swiss cheese. The one thing that is clear when watching Rodgers is that he will never give his WR's a chance to make a play. Timing patterns are not a thing he does and when competing an IN or CURL, it appears that he has to make eye-contact with the receiver before throwing it. Well, some of those patterns take 3-4 seconds to complete but the ball should be on its way after 2-3 seconds in the backfield. Rodgers timing with his receivers is terrible.

did I hear correctly yesterday that the packers scored their first TD on a drive that Rodgers had been sacked?

That's what Nantz said, yeah.

That is pretty crazy.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Very simple. Watching Packers games, it's entirely their O-line. Watching Rodgers getting killed each week brings back visions of David Carr for a few years as he got killed week in and week out.

That was quite often Carr's fault, too.

 

[ookook]

This season has confirmed my worst fears.

(1) Time for both MM and TT to go. At least MM, but I say TT too. Look at where Minny is based on FA acquisitions. Sure, Woodson was a success, but rather than learning from that success TT acts in denial.

(2) After the seaon is over, scrap the 3-4 experiment. It does not play to the talent of the players and I would hate to see it drive another draft.

 

[sho nuff]

This season has confirmed my worst fears. (1) Time for both MM and TT to go. At least MM, but I say TT too. Look at where Minny is based on FA acquisitions. Sure, Woodson was a success, but rather than learning from that success TT acts in denial. (2) After the seaon is over, scrap the 3-4 experiment. It does not play to the talent of the players and I would hate to see it drive another draft.

1. Agreed...and I have supported TT in quite a bit of things. But if you are not going to use FA, your drafts have to be spotless. He has his bright spots...but his glaring deficiencies on the Oline are just too bad to ignore any longer. 2. If GM is gone and Head Coach are gone...I agree...because I don't want one of these, "lets keep the DC around since he just got the job" deals. Clean house. I don't mind the 3-4 and knew it would be a learning curve. I thought Kampman could pick it up, and they did too. Highly smart, athletic guy who works his tail off...but it just is not working. I think they are trying to have Matthews blitz more which is putting Kampman in coverage. But its not working at all. They still have the pieces to make the 4-3 work just fine.Jenkins, Raji/Jolly, Pickett, Kampman make a solid enough front 4. Barnett, Matthews, Hawk/Chillar make a decent LB corps...with decent depth in Bishop and Poppinga (though, pops is likely done after this year...or am I mistaken and his contract is not up?) The problem with it...better make it known soon or Kampman is as good as gone. I don't think he resigns with GB during the season thinking the 3-4 is staying...and if he gets to the open market he will get paid and paid well.

 

[Tau837]

Rodgers is trying to be the anti-Favre in a way. Rodgers does hold onto the ball too long and like a poster said, probably is responsible for half of his sacks this year. The OL has been average but due to Rodgers, looks like Swiss cheese. The one thing that is clear when watching Rodgers is that he will never give his WR's a chance to make a play. Timing patterns are not a thing he does and when competing an IN or CURL, it appears that he has to make eye-contact with the receiver before throwing it. Well, some of those patterns take 3-4 seconds to complete but the ball should be on its way after 2-3 seconds in the backfield. Rodgers timing with his receivers is terrible.

did I hear correctly yesterday that the packers scored their first TD on a drive that Rodgers had been sacked?

That's what Nantz said, yeah.

They showed a graphic that said that the Packers had scored TDs on only 3% of drives in which they allowed at least one sack, compared to 37% of their drives in which they did not allow a sack. I assume all teams would show a disparity, but I wouldn't think it would necessarily be so wide.More importantly, this information is available to the coaches. If a big part of the issue is running a more Coryell-like offense than a Walsh-like offense, that's on the coaches... there is more than enough evidence by now that they need to make some adjustments. But if it is Rodgers' timing or waiting for WRs to always be open before throwing, as some have suggested here, that is probably going to be harder to correct. It is still at least partly a coaching issue, though.It's not like Rodgers is performing like David Carr. He's performing well overall despite this issue. But the team isn't winning, and there is at least the possibility that this is a significant reason why, and thus it must be addressed.And perhaps more importantly, Rodgers is getting sacked twice as often as most of the top QBs in the league... and he's presumably getting hit a lot more times than he is sacked. He is definitely at a higher risk of getting injured than most QBs IMO because of the regular beatings he is taking. He's tough, but as a coaching staff, IMO it must become a priority to do something to keep him from getting hit so much. If he gets hurt, the Packers can kiss any hopes of a winning season, much less a playoff berth, goodbye.

 

[ookook]

This season has confirmed my worst fears. (1) Time for both MM and TT to go. At least MM, but I say TT too. Look at where Minny is based on FA acquisitions. Sure, Woodson was a success, but rather than learning from that success TT acts in denial. (2) After the seaon is over, scrap the 3-4 experiment. It does not play to the talent of the players and I would hate to see it drive another draft.

Minny got Jared Allen basicaly for a first-round pick (17th overall) and two third-round choices (73rd and 82nd overall)? How could GB not have been in the mix on that and been able to go one better?The list goes on and on. I even wish we had signed Sharper...he has gone on to do well at every turn. Move Corey Williams for a 2nd round pick and draft Harrell in the 1st? We need to admit we are rebuilding and bring in new GM and HC.

 

[basher]

Very interesting that the way the club has been run was to avoid signing aged free agents and work through the draft, but the drafted key players are simply not working out.

yeah TT has swung and missed on most of his low round picks and was entirely too confident in bringing in multiple late round lineman and hoping they would turn out.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Lets not forget how bad this defense stinks either. I thought I struck gold when I got them in my draft this year. Their secondary is awful and they get ZERO pressure on the QB

This doesn't look much like the defense that completely dominated Jay Cutler and the Bears does it?J

 

[Limp Ditka]

Lets not forget how bad this defense stinks either. I thought I struck gold when I got them in my draft this year. Their secondary is awful and they get ZERO pressure on the QB

This doesn't look much like the defense that completely dominated Jay Cutler and the Bears does it?J

There was one dominating defense on that field that night and it wasn't GB.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Looking forward to seeing the Dallas pass rush next week-yet I am leery of this game from a Cowboy's perspective.

Trap

 

[FavreCo]

line is terrible

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Rodgers will NOT get rid of the ball...even a great line can't hold off the defense forever.He takes WAY too many sacks for my liking.

Recall back to the early 2000's when David Carr was trying to play NFL QB and racking up sacks. They blamed everyone (especially the OL) but Carr for holding the ball too long until there was finally no one else to blame. Thus is the case with Rodgers currently. He is to blame but the OL is feeling the heat for his current ineptitude.

 

[sho nuff]

line is terrible

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Rodgers will NOT get rid of the ball...even a great line can't hold off the defense forever.He takes WAY too many sacks for my liking.

Recall back to the early 2000's when David Carr was trying to play NFL QB and racking up sacks. They blamed everyone (especially the OL) but Carr for holding the ball too long until there was finally no one else to blame. Thus is the case with Rodgers currently. He is to blame but the OL is feeling the heat for his current ineptitude.

34 in 16 games last year.37 through 8 games this year.Were they all Rodgers?He is to blame for some...less than half IMO...take away even half and they are bottom half of the league.Take away probably 10 sacks (maybe) that are just on Rodgers and your talking still bottom 5 in the league.

 

[basher]

line is terrible

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Rodgers will NOT get rid of the ball...even a great line can't hold off the defense forever.He takes WAY too many sacks for my liking.

Recall back to the early 2000's when David Carr was trying to play NFL QB and racking up sacks. They blamed everyone (especially the OL) but Carr for holding the ball too long until there was finally no one else to blame. Thus is the case with Rodgers currently. He is to blame but the OL is feeling the heat for his current ineptitude.

Rodgers deserves more heat but awful gameplanning and playcalling also deserves a lot of heat as well.

 

[ookook]

I sincerely think that everyone knew what Rodgers' problem was with sacks before he took over and have not adequately addressed it.

With the right coaching and playcalling, he would look okay.

The o-line is bad, but so what? It was bad when Favre took them 13-3 and passed 70% of the downs for the first half of the season.

No choice but to keep Rodgers. Bring in a great QB coach for him in the off-season.

Then hire someone who can run the team.

And for crying out loud, draft better.

 

[ookook]

2. If GM is gone and Head Coach are gone...I agree...because I don't want one of these, "lets keep the DC around since he just got the job" deals. Clean house. I don't mind the 3-4 and knew it would be a learning curve. I thought Kampman could pick it up, and they did too. Highly smart, athletic guy who works his tail off...but it just is not working. I think they are trying to have Matthews blitz more which is putting Kampman in coverage. But its not working at all. They still have the pieces to make the 4-3 work just fine.Jenkins, Raji/Jolly, Pickett, Kampman make a solid enough front 4. Barnett, Matthews, Hawk/Chillar make a decent LB corps...with decent depth in Bishop and Poppinga (though, pops is likely done after this year...or am I mistaken and his contract is not up?) The problem with it...better make it known soon or Kampman is as good as gone. I don't think he resigns with GB during the season thinking the 3-4 is staying...and if he gets to the open market he will get paid and paid well.

 

[ookook]

I wish we had kept Jim Bates as DC.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Okay, I'll be honest here. Don't want to start a Viking/Packer pissing match but here are my thoughts (and no, they don't have anything to do with Favre).

This was a 6-10 team last year, and although they did lose a TON of close games last year, they were still a 6-10 team and they didn't get significantly better. They had a good draft and addressed the defense with two very good players, but they weren't going to make a drastic difference this year anyway. I think the problem is that everyone had this team in the Super Bowl before the season (I remember all the Fox analysts say the Packers vs someone in the SB - all but Strahan I think) and I think that was just unrealistic.

So, I don't think it is an "implosion" since they are still better than last season (win %) but this is a young team that will be very good in a year or two.

 

[sho nuff]

I wish we had kept Jim Bates as DC.

Tried...but he was pissed when he did not get the head coaching job.