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Did Collinsworth just make up a load of BS? (1 Viewer)

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To cover for the Beach Bully Hoc-a-Lugie?

That simultaneous possession stuff he just went through - sounds like NBC is working double time to cover for the crappy job Roid Ref and his crew did in the Charger hose job.

Someone who did not know the game might actually have been lauding the officiating after the Collinsworth spin :thumbup:

 
simultaneous possession always goes to the offense though.. so it would have still been chargers ball
Except that it was ruled an interception and simultaneous possession isn't reviewable (according to Collinsworth), so they wouldn't have been able to overturn it based on those grounds.
 
To cover for the Beach Bully Hoc-a-Lugie?That simultaneous possession stuff he just went through - sounds like NBC is working double time to cover for the crappy job Roid Ref and his crew did in the Charger hose job.Someone who did not know the game might actually have been lauding the officiating after the Collinsworth spin :ptts:
I missed when he was talking about that simultaneous possession play..But I saw him talking about the should be fumble...and he kept following it up by saying that he ultimately made the right call since he blew the whistle....saying the Chargers won't want to hear that. (making it sound as if the ref was ultimately right)No doubt that this would confuse the casual football fan who would never follow up on it. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. The dude is a total shill. He made the whole thing sound real confusing and kept ending it by saying it was right. Yes...it's true that after the whistle blows...that there was nothing that could be done. But that doesn't change the fact that the whistle should have never been blown in the first place. Collinsworth is a piece of garbage.
 
simultaneous possession always goes to the offense though.. so it would have still been chargers ball
Except that it was ruled an interception and simultaneous possession isn't reviewable (according to Collinsworth), so they wouldn't have been able to overturn it based on those grounds.
:ptts: Its easy to ridicule a guy and throw out insults from your couch while watching a SLO MO replay, but its something totally different to be there and have to see it in real time and make a decision on a very tricky call like that. I like to see the OP try to ref a game and see how far he gets before being lynched by the fans. Hoc is one of the best refs in the game and almost never misses calls, he had an off day...it happens, he's human

 
To cover for the Beach Bully Hoc-a-Lugie?That simultaneous possession stuff he just went through - sounds like NBC is working double time to cover for the crappy job Roid Ref and his crew did in the Charger hose job.Someone who did not know the game might actually have been lauding the officiating after the Collinsworth spin :)
I missed when he was talking about that simultaneous possession play..But I saw him talking about the should be fumble...and he kept following it up by saying that he ultimately made the right call since he blew the whistle....saying the Chargers won't want to hear that. (making it sound as if the ref was ultimately right)No doubt that this would confuse the casual football fan who would never follow up on it. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. The dude is a total shill. He made the whole thing sound real confusing and kept ending it by saying it was right. Yes...it's true that after the whistle blows...that there was nothing that could be done. But that doesn't change the fact that the whistle should have never been blown in the first place. Collinsworth is a piece of garbage.
All he said that it was in fact a fumble, but Hoc couldn't legally rule it that way because the whistle was blown. Who is he a shill for? He's in no way connected to or paid by the NFL, gimme a break. If you had trouble understanding it you need to work on your comprehension skills
 
Shouldn't matter if a ref blows their whistle or not. WtF is instant replay there for? O wait in Denver they didn't even have instant replay to start with. What a total BS game.

 
To cover for the Beach Bully Hoc-a-Lugie?That simultaneous possession stuff he just went through - sounds like NBC is working double time to cover for the crappy job Roid Ref and his crew did in the Charger hose job.Someone who did not know the game might actually have been lauding the officiating after the Collinsworth spin :)
I missed when he was talking about that simultaneous possession play..But I saw him talking about the should be fumble...and he kept following it up by saying that he ultimately made the right call since he blew the whistle....saying the Chargers won't want to hear that. (making it sound as if the ref was ultimately right)No doubt that this would confuse the casual football fan who would never follow up on it. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. The dude is a total shill. He made the whole thing sound real confusing and kept ending it by saying it was right. Yes...it's true that after the whistle blows...that there was nothing that could be done. But that doesn't change the fact that the whistle should have never been blown in the first place. Collinsworth is a piece of garbage.
All he said that it was in fact a fumble, but Hoc couldn't legally rule it that way because the whistle was blown. Who is he a shill for? He's in no way connected to or paid by the NFL, gimme a break. If you had trouble understanding it you need to work on your comprehension skills
I had no trouble understanding it. I understand that he's a shill who was spinning his statement for NBC to make the NFL look good In case you didn't realize, he gets paid by NBC who has a very lucrative contract with the NFL.
 
Shouldn't matter if a ref blows their whistle or not. WtF is instant replay there for? O wait in Denver they didn't even have instant replay to start with. What a total BS game.
well it does matter because when the whistle blows the play is dead
 
To cover for the Beach Bully Hoc-a-Lugie?That simultaneous possession stuff he just went through - sounds like NBC is working double time to cover for the crappy job Roid Ref and his crew did in the Charger hose job.Someone who did not know the game might actually have been lauding the officiating after the Collinsworth spin :P
I missed when he was talking about that simultaneous possession play..But I saw him talking about the should be fumble...and he kept following it up by saying that he ultimately made the right call since he blew the whistle....saying the Chargers won't want to hear that. (making it sound as if the ref was ultimately right)No doubt that this would confuse the casual football fan who would never follow up on it. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. The dude is a total shill. He made the whole thing sound real confusing and kept ending it by saying it was right. Yes...it's true that after the whistle blows...that there was nothing that could be done. But that doesn't change the fact that the whistle should have never been blown in the first place. Collinsworth is a piece of garbage.
All he said that it was in fact a fumble, but Hoc couldn't legally rule it that way because the whistle was blown. Who is he a shill for? He's in no way connected to or paid by the NFL, gimme a break. If you had trouble understanding it you need to work on your comprehension skills
I had no trouble understanding it. I understand that he's a shill who was spinning his statement for NBC to make the NFL look good In case you didn't realize, he gets paid by NBC who has a very lucrative contract with the NFL.
If that was true why would he say the call was wrong in the first place? Poor Collinsworth, I bet NBC is firing him as we speak for questioning the NFL :lmao: , I guess no one on ESPN ever questions the NFL either because they would also be fired or put their lucrative NFL deal in jeopardy.
 
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To cover for the Beach Bully Hoc-a-Lugie?That simultaneous possession stuff he just went through - sounds like NBC is working double time to cover for the crappy job Roid Ref and his crew did in the Charger hose job.Someone who did not know the game might actually have been lauding the officiating after the Collinsworth spin :rant:
I missed when he was talking about that simultaneous possession play..But I saw him talking about the should be fumble...and he kept following it up by saying that he ultimately made the right call since he blew the whistle....saying the Chargers won't want to hear that. (making it sound as if the ref was ultimately right)No doubt that this would confuse the casual football fan who would never follow up on it. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. The dude is a total shill. He made the whole thing sound real confusing and kept ending it by saying it was right. Yes...it's true that after the whistle blows...that there was nothing that could be done. But that doesn't change the fact that the whistle should have never been blown in the first place. Collinsworth is a piece of garbage.
All he said that it was in fact a fumble, but Hoc couldn't legally rule it that way because the whistle was blown. Who is he a shill for? He's in no way connected to or paid by the NFL, gimme a break. If you had trouble understanding it you need to work on your comprehension skills
I had no trouble understanding it. I understand that he's a shill who was spinning his statement for NBC to make the NFL look good In case you didn't realize, he gets paid by NBC who has a very lucrative contract with the NFL.
If that was true why would he say the call was wrong in the first place? Poor Collinsworth, I bet NBC is firing him as we speak for questioning the NFL :ptts: , I guess no one on ESPN ever questions the NFL either because they would also be fired or put their lucrative NFL deal in jeopardy.
Because then he would lose all respect. As for ESPN...the NFL gives them little respect compared to NBC
 
If that was true why would he say the call was wrong in the first place? Poor Collinsworth, I bet NBC is firing him as we speak for questioning the NFL :excited: , I guess no one on ESPN ever questions the NFL either because they would also be fired or put their lucrative NFL deal in jeopardy.
I am not saying he is a shill, but if you don't think large contracts can remove objectivity in broadcasting, you are naive.
 
simultaneous possession always goes to the offense though.. so it would have still been chargers ball
Except that it was ruled an interception and simultaneous possession isn't reviewable (according to Collinsworth), so they wouldn't have been able to overturn it based on those grounds.
:goodposting: Its easy to ridicule a guy and throw out insults from your couch while watching a SLO MO replay, but its something totally different to be there and have to see it in real time and make a decision on a very tricky call like that. I like to see the OP try to ref a game and see how far he gets before being lynched by the fans. Hoc is one of the best refs in the game and almost never misses calls, he had an off day...it happens, he's human
Why should the OP be expected to officiate a game in order to be able to criticize? Have you never said that an actor was bad in a movie or that a president was doing a poor job or that the cable guy didn't show up on time? You could say it about any profession. I'd like to see Hochuli go out and excel in a profession for which he's had absolutely no formal training whatsoever and do a good job.It works both ways. Just because the guy's an NFL referee doesn't mean he's bulletproof from criticism.

I'd like to see you go be an astronaut and see how far you get the shuttle off the ground. See how ridiculous I sound?

 
simultaneous possession always goes to the offense though.. so it would have still been chargers ball
Except that it was ruled an interception and simultaneous possession isn't reviewable (according to Collinsworth), so they wouldn't have been able to overturn it based on those grounds.
:pickle: Its easy to ridicule a guy and throw out insults from your couch while watching a SLO MO replay, but its something totally different to be there and have to see it in real time and make a decision on a very tricky call like that. I like to see the OP try to ref a game and see how far he gets before being lynched by the fans. Hoc is one of the best refs in the game and almost never misses calls, he had an off day...it happens, he's human
Why should the OP be expected to officiate a game in order to be able to criticize? Have you never said that an actor was bad in a movie or that a president was doing a poor job or that the cable guy didn't show up on time? You could say it about any profession. I'd like to see Hochuli go out and excel in a profession for which he's had absolutely no formal training whatsoever and do a good job.It works both ways. Just because the guy's an NFL referee doesn't mean he's bulletproof from criticism.

I'd like to see you go be an astronaut and see how far you get the shuttle off the ground. See how ridiculous I sound?
:goodposting: And IMHO Hochuli is a terrible ref. Referees are not supposed to blow their whistles on plays like the Cutler fumble so replay can be used to get the correct call.
 
I'm still really ticked so I can't help but chime in here! Shill or not Collinsworth was doing a spin job plain and simple!

There were at least 2 plays that cost the Chargers the game, which in turn may have repercussions on their entire season.

First of all when have any of us ever seen a non-functioning replay machine? Isn't is basically just a TV feed? Jiggle the cord or get the ref a new screen and let him make the call, don't penalize the Chargers for shoddy equipment. As for the spin, if it's simultaneous possession and they both clearly went to the ground shouldn't Chambers have been awarded the catch? It was pretty darn clear on my TV.

I'll give credit to Hoc for getting his positioning right and knowing how to make his whistle work. He looked like a real pro standing in the perfect spot to see Cutler fumble that ball 4 feet in front of him!!! If you pause the game there's a really nice shot of Hoc looking at Cutlers empty hand as he brings it back.

The whole thing combined for one of the biggest jokes I've ever witnessed. It was shocking to say the least.

One last comment; did anyone else thing that the refs could have taken it a little easy on Chambers when they nullified the 60 yard run by Sproles due to a "holding" call? You cost the team possession and 7 points earlier, but still insist on calling Chambers or an extremely weak to non existent hold. Just tell everyone that you have money against the spread and move on.

 
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I think there is a real easy way of out a premature whistle. Just call it a dead ball at the spot where the charger player recovered the fumble. The fumble took place before the whistle, so let the play continue until one of the teams gains possesion and spot the ball there.

I love seeing the chargers lose... but not this way.

:lmao:

 
Wow....i think Collinsworth does a decent job at what he does. Refs had a bad day at work,...i'm sure if they had it to do over with, they would do things a little differently knowing what they know now. I'm not going to say everytime,...but MOST of the time (probably around 95% of the time) no one credits a brodcastor or ref for doing their job efficiently. It seems that people only open their mouth if there is something they don't like. Everyone has a bad/off day at work,....lord knows you wouldn't want everyone harping on you if you don't mix in the fragrance in every port-o-potty you fill tomorrow.

 
Everyone knows simultaneous possession results in a jump ball.
Not always. Sometimes it depends on which way the possession arrow is facing.
The problem with that lies in the blowing of the whistle. Players are taught from the very beginning to play to the whistle. This is a very important rule which helps prevent injury. If players start playing past the whistle, you're going to open yourself up to a slew of late hits and injuries. Refs need to change the way they call the game. If there's a questionable play happening, they need to be able to stay off the whistle to let the play develop. That way, they can go back and review the play and get it right. The problem with that would be two fold. One, teams don't get enough challenges for this, so I think every play should be automatically reviewed in the booth to speed things up. Two, refs egos would take a hit because they'd be playing second fiddle to the replay booth.

There's no easy solution to this, but it's a crying shame what happened to the Chargers this week.

 
And IMHO Hochuli is a terrible ref. Referees are not supposed to blow their whistles on plays like the Cutler fumble so replay can be used to get the correct call.
Every ref makes a mistake and occasionally blows the whistle too fast. He is still the best ref in the league.The Chargers can blame the refs all they want, and while they probably cost them the game, you can't let their sieve like defense off the hook. They still had chances to make plays after that last blown call, and they didn't.
 
Shouldn't matter if a ref blows their whistle or not. WtF is instant replay there for? O wait in Denver they didn't even have instant replay to start with. What a total BS game.
well it does matter because when the whistle blows the play is dead
That will be the next rule that is changed, and rightfully so.
They're not going to change this rule. As someone else mentioned, it's an important rule to ensure that players don't get unnecessarily hurt on late hits fighting for a dead ball.If you allow the officials to review plays after the whistle blows, it essentially renders the whistle meaningless. The Chargers got jobbed yesterday, but this rule isn't going to change. Refs just need to be better with laying off the whistle on questionable plays.
 
Shouldn't matter if a ref blows their whistle or not. WtF is instant replay there for? O wait in Denver they didn't even have instant replay to start with. What a total BS game.
well it does matter because when the whistle blows the play is dead
That will be the next rule that is changed, and rightfully so.
They're not going to change this rule. As someone else mentioned, it's an important rule to ensure that players don't get unnecessarily hurt on late hits fighting for a dead ball.If you allow the officials to review plays after the whistle blows, it essentially renders the whistle meaningless. The Chargers got jobbed yesterday, but this rule isn't going to change. Refs just need to be better with laying off the whistle on questionable plays.
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And IMHO Hochuli is a terrible ref. Referees are not supposed to blow their whistles on plays like the Cutler fumble so replay can be used to get the correct call.
Every ref makes a mistake and occasionally blows the whistle too fast. He is still the best ref in the league.The Chargers can blame the refs all they want, and while they probably cost them the game, you can't let their sieve like defense off the hook. They still had chances to make plays after that last blown call, and they didn't.
:goodposting: They were bad calls and I'd be really upset if I was a fan too. But after all the talk about how awesome Cromartie is and some even saying that he is now the best CB in the game, he sure has looked terrible so far this season. He got absolutely abused yesterday. It's easier for Turner and Charger fans to point to the officiating than the fact that Marshall went nuts against them and that the TD and 2 point conversion play beat them with the EXACT same pattern.
 
Shouldn't matter if a ref blows their whistle or not. WtF is instant replay there for? O wait in Denver they didn't even have instant replay to start with. What a total BS game.
well it does matter because when the whistle blows the play is dead
^ This guy must be an official, or a bookmaker who stood to get roasted if that play stoodAND the first score - I cannot think of any other time when a crew used the Ed Hocules excuse of "replay equipment failure" while we are watching the replay from different angles on the TV Broadcast :goodposting:
 
controversial call, no doubt.

collinsworth sucks as an NFL announcer/analyst. i just dont like him. he's boring. :lmao:

 
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I'm just confused as to why Roid Ref blew the whistle so quickly? Didn't the NFL emphasize to the refs LAST YEAR to not blow the play dead and let it play out for review purposes?

 
Yes, Collinsworth is full of crap.

#1 - Champ did not recover a fumble. Once both players hit the ground, it was a dead play. Ball belonged to the Chargers.

#2 - Cutler fumbled. Hochuli was wrong to blow the whistle, they even had a letter go around to the officials telling them NOT to blow the whistle quickly in those situations, so as to prevent exactly what happened last night. The result of replay was correct, in that since it was blown dead prior to the Chargers recovery, it was DEN ball where blown dead. But, it was wrong to blow the whistle.

Two really bad calls, which replay couldn't correct... part of that problem is with replay. An incorrectly blown whistle should not override replay.

 
Shouldn't matter if a ref blows their whistle or not. WtF is instant replay there for? O wait in Denver they didn't even have instant replay to start with. What a total BS game.
well it does matter because when the whistle blows the play is dead
^ This guy must be an official, or a bookmaker who stood to get roasted if that play stoodAND the first score - I cannot think of any other time when a crew used the Ed Hocules excuse of "replay equipment failure" while we are watching the replay from different angles on the TV Broadcast :shrug:
You dont have to be a ref to know the rules of the game, and what did you want them to do when the replay equipment wouldnt work, postpone the game for 30 minutes til its fixed? The rules dont allow the ref to run up to the press booth or out to the network truck to review a replay, and even if they did that would be just as ridiculous as delaying the game 30 minutes while they try to fix it.
 
Shouldn't matter if a ref blows their whistle or not. WtF is instant replay there for? O wait in Denver they didn't even have instant replay to start with. What a total BS game.
well it does matter because when the whistle blows the play is dead
^ This guy must be an official, or a bookmaker who stood to get roasted if that play stoodAND the first score - I cannot think of any other time when a crew used the Ed Hocules excuse of "replay equipment failure" while we are watching the replay from different angles on the TV Broadcast :lol:
You dont have to be a ref to know the rules of the game,
I think the point is that the blowing of the whistle was premature and uncalled for. We all know it makes a play dead, but in this case it was wrong to blow it, and it doesn't seem correct that replay can't override an improperly blown whistle.
 
Shouldn't matter if a ref blows their whistle or not. WtF is instant replay there for? O wait in Denver they didn't even have instant replay to start with. What a total BS game.
well it does matter because when the whistle blows the play is dead
^ This guy must be an official, or a bookmaker who stood to get roasted if that play stoodAND the first score - I cannot think of any other time when a crew used the Ed Hocules excuse of "replay equipment failure" while we are watching the replay from different angles on the TV Broadcast :confused:
You dont have to be a ref to know the rules of the game,
I think the point is that the blowing of the whistle was premature and uncalled for. We all know it makes a play dead, but in this case it was wrong to blow it, and it doesn't seem correct that replay can't override an improperly blown whistle.
It is 100% correct, because the whistel tells everyone to stop. If a replay can trump that, players wouldn't listen to the whistle, they'd just keep playing, figuring, "Hey, maybe we'll win it on replay..."
 
Yes, Collinsworth is full of crap.

#1 - Champ did not recover a fumble. Once both players hit the ground, it was a dead play. Ball belonged to the Chargers.

#2 - Cutler fumbled. Hochuli was wrong to blow the whistle, they even had a letter go around to the officials telling them NOT to blow the whistle quickly in those situations, so as to prevent exactly what happened last night. The result of replay was correct, in that since it was blown dead prior to the Chargers recovery, it was DEN ball where blown dead. But, it was wrong to blow the whistle.

Two really bad calls, which replay couldn't correct... part of that problem is with replay. An incorrectly blown whistle should not override replay.
#1 and #2 I totally agree with.The bolded above, I do not. What's to stop players from continuing to hit/tackle etc. when the ref blows the whistle?

 
Yes, Collinsworth is full of crap.#1 - Champ did not recover a fumble. Once both players hit the ground, it was a dead play. Ball belonged to the Chargers.#2 - Cutler fumbled. Hochuli was wrong to blow the whistle, they even had a letter go around to the officials telling them NOT to blow the whistle quickly in those situations, so as to prevent exactly what happened last night. The result of replay was correct, in that since it was blown dead prior to the Chargers recovery, it was DEN ball where blown dead. But, it was wrong to blow the whistle.Two really bad calls, which replay couldn't correct... part of that problem is with replay. An incorrectly blown whistle should not override replay.
According to one explanation on ESPN Radio this morning, it was NOT wrong to blow the whistle IN THIS CASE. Many previous posters have mentioned that last year refs were instructed to let plays carry out before blowing the whistle, and sort things out afterwards, using replay if necessary. But, from what was said (sorry I can't remember who said it) this only applies to fumbles during plays where a player is running with the ball, NOT for incomplete passes (as fumbles).Yes, I understand this is splitting hairs............and yes, I agree, there shouldn't be a distinction..........but, I'm just relaying what I heard. Which means, if Hochuli thought it was an incomplete pass, then he SHOULD NOT HAVE waited to blow the whistle.
 
Yes, Collinsworth is full of crap.#1 - Champ did not recover a fumble. Once both players hit the ground, it was a dead play. Ball belonged to the Chargers.#2 - Cutler fumbled. Hochuli was wrong to blow the whistle, they even had a letter go around to the officials telling them NOT to blow the whistle quickly in those situations, so as to prevent exactly what happened last night. The result of replay was correct, in that since it was blown dead prior to the Chargers recovery, it was DEN ball where blown dead. But, it was wrong to blow the whistle.Two really bad calls, which replay couldn't correct... part of that problem is with replay. An incorrectly blown whistle should not override replay.
According to one explanation on ESPN Radio this morning, it was NOT wrong to blow the whistle IN THIS CASE. Many previous posters have mentioned that last year refs were instructed to let plays carry out before blowing the whistle, and sort things out afterwards, using replay if necessary. But, from what was said (sorry I can't remember who said it) this only applies to fumbles during plays where a player is running with the ball, NOT for incomplete passes (as fumbles).Yes, I understand this is splitting hairs............and yes, I agree, there shouldn't be a distinction..........but, I'm just relaying what I heard. Which means, if Hochuli thought it was an incomplete pass, then he SHOULD NOT HAVE waited to blow the whistle.
Interestingly the NFL is now looking into replay overriding improperly blown whistles.
 
Shouldn't matter if a ref blows their whistle or not. WtF is instant replay there for? O wait in Denver they didn't even have instant replay to start with. What a total BS game.
well it does matter because when the whistle blows the play is dead
That will be the next rule that is changed, and rightfully so.
They're not going to change this rule. As someone else mentioned, it's an important rule to ensure that players don't get unnecessarily hurt on late hits fighting for a dead ball.If you allow the officials to review plays after the whistle blows, it essentially renders the whistle meaningless.

The Chargers got jobbed yesterday, but this rule isn't going to change. Refs just need to be better with laying off the whistle on questionable plays.
I think the NFL has already started a precedent here. See the bolded section below.NFL NFL may change fumble rule

NEW YORK — The NFL will look into the inadvertent whistle rule that required officials to give the ball back to Denver in the final seconds of Sunday's game with San Diego.

League spokesman Greg Aiello said the NFL competition committee will look into the rule in the offseason, perhaps changing it as it did the "down by contact" rule.

The play occurred with the Broncos at the Chargers 1-yard-line in the final minute. Denver quarterback Jay Cutler dropped back to pass, the ball slipped out of his hands, bounced off the grass and into the arms of San Diego linebacker Tim Dobbins.

Referee Ed Hochuli ruled it an incomplete pass. Replay ruled it a fumble, but it was spotted at the 10-yard line, where the ball hit the ground, and given to Denver because the rules did not permit possession to be awarded to San Diego because the whistle had blown.

Denver went on to score, convert a 2-point conversion and win 39-38.

Coach Norv Turner said he spoke with NFL officials Monday and that the Chargers sent in video of the plays in question.

"As for things that occurred during the game, in my mind, they're done," Turner said. "We sent the plays in to the league that we had in question. We expect to get a response back. Anything that we talk about or anything that is discussed in terms of any of the rules or any of the calls isn't going to change the outcome of that game. That game is going to be 39-38, forever." Until March 2007, down by contact plays were not reviewable.

That rule was changed so that they were reviewable, and if a fumble occurred even after the whistle blew, the team recovering it got possession.

"Officials are held accountable for their calls. They are graded on every play of every game," Aiello said Monday. "Ed has been an outstanding official for many years, but he will be marked down for this call. Under our evaluation system, an official's grades impact his status for potentially working the playoffs and ultimately whether or not he is retained."
 
Shouldn't matter if a ref blows their whistle or not. WtF is instant replay there for? O wait in Denver they didn't even have instant replay to start with. What a total BS game.
well it does matter because when the whistle blows the play is dead
That will be the next rule that is changed, and rightfully so.
They're not going to change this rule. As someone else mentioned, it's an important rule to ensure that players don't get unnecessarily hurt on late hits fighting for a dead ball.If you allow the officials to review plays after the whistle blows, it essentially renders the whistle meaningless.

The Chargers got jobbed yesterday, but this rule isn't going to change. Refs just need to be better with laying off the whistle on questionable plays.
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And IMHO Hochuli is a terrible ref. Referees are not supposed to blow their whistles on plays like the Cutler fumble so replay can be used to get the correct call.
Every ref makes a mistake and occasionally blows the whistle too fast. He is still the best ref in the league.The Chargers can blame the refs all they want, and while they probably cost them the game, you can't let their sieve like defense off the hook. They still had chances to make plays after that last blown call, and they didn't.
:useless: They were bad calls and I'd be really upset if I was a fan too. But after all the talk about how awesome Cromartie is and some even saying that he is now the best CB in the game, he sure has looked terrible so far this season. He got absolutely abused yesterday. It's easier for Turner and Charger fans to point to the officiating than the fact that Marshall went nuts against them and that the TD and 2 point conversion play beat them with the EXACT same pattern.
The SD defense looked bad, there is no doubt about that. Yes, the Denver passing game abused them all, including Cromartie. They are missing two starting linebackers right now, but that isn't a good excuse for that kind of performance.Still, the Broncos got 15 of their 39 points as a result of bad calls. And the Chargers defense would have pitched a second half shutout on the road in a pretty hostile environment if not for the blown fumble call.
 
#1 - Champ did not recover a fumble. Once both players hit the ground, it was a dead play. Ball belonged to the Chargers.
I like Collinsworth. And in his defense, he is probably merely relaying information he was given.That said, his explanation on the interception/fumble doesn't make sense. He said even if the replay system was working, the play would not have been reviewable because simultaneous possession is not reviewable. However, the ruling on the field was not simultaneous possession, it was that Champ took it away for an interception... which would have been reviewable... and if the review determined that it was actually simultaneous possession, my understanding is that it is a catch for the offense, not an interception.
 

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