Did Holmgren throw in the towel today? (1 Viewer)

[Da Guru]

I watched the game with a bunch of people..none of us GB or Seattle fans.

To a person everyone was shocked when Holmgren had fourth and two with 10 minutes left down by three scores and punted the ball away.

Seattle needed three scores anyway you slice it. You have to figure GB was going to take some time off the clock. Punting the ball away is getting you nowhere.

If you questioned Tomlins decision last week you have to question Holmgrens. My first feeling was he did not want to get blown out worse than it was. If that was the case..then he basically threw in the towel. That in itself is inexcusable.

In a playoff game you never quit.

 

[Newslang]

No he didnt.

 

[mad sweeney]

I watched the game with a bunch of people..none of us GB or Seattle fans. To a person everyone was shocked when Holmgren had fourth and two with 10 minutes left down by three scores and punted the ball away.Seattle needed three scores anyway you slice it. You have to figure GB was going to take some time off the clock. Punting the ball away is getting you nowhere.If you questioned Tomlins decision last week you have to question Holmgrens. My first feeling was he did not want to get blown out worse than it was. If that was the case..then he basically threw in the towel. That in itself is inexcusable.In a playoff game you never quit.

I wasn't happy about the punt at 10 minutes but could see a sliver of reason for it. Based how they hadn't stopped GB I really don't think he should've punted there, but hard to say he was throwing in the towel at that point. Punting at 4 minutes was inexcusable, as was the yet another pathetic draw on 2nd down in that series. I'm not sure when he gave up, but he definitely should not have punted that last ball. I really hope this wasn't his last game, I don't want to see him go out with such a crappily coached 4th quarter.And I want to see him destroy the receivers in the offseason that caught the dropsies today. Pollard will be gone, Engram and Hackett rarely drop it so they can get a pass. I guess that only leaves Weaver, but I'd still like to see him come back for another year. Only a few pieces on O can turn this team into another juggernaut.

 

[Big Dumb Ape]

Big 'hawks fan here. I was screaming at theTV when he sent the punt unit out on 4th and 2. Again when he called a draw to Weaver on 2nd and forever. Play calling late in the game was inexcusable.

 

[Da Guru]

Big 'hawks fan here. I was screaming at theTV when he sent the punt unit out on 4th and 2. Again when he called a draw to Weaver on 2nd and forever. Play calling late in the game was inexcusable.

I agree..it was do or die at that point of the game. The conditions were not good enough to expect to punt the ball away and have three scoring drives.

 

[BigRed]

Yep horrible coaching down the stretch.

He also should have bailed on using SA from the start.

 

[WIFANBOY]

If was more like 12.30 minutes with the ball on Seattle 39. If they fail and GB gets just a field goal game is over really over. As it was they still got the ball back 3 times and did nothing.

As to the other case, it was 4 and 15 on the Seattle 15 with 3.30 left. The game was already over. No need to give GB an easy score and have the score run up.

It is easy to coach when your players execute, but the Seattle defense gave up 6 TDs on 6 back to back drives. If you want to blame someone, I seen a TE drop too many balls and your defence coordinator got his but handed to him.

 

[Perfect Tommy]

Holmgren has never been a good coach in terms of gaming strategy. As a Packer fan, I could live with it since he build the team into a champion. At least he is better then Mike Sherman. The best coach right now that I have seen is Mike McCarthy. He does all the little things that every coach should do but only Belicheat approaches. Andy Reid is pretty good, too.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

I watched the game with a bunch of people..none of us GB or Seattle fans. To a person everyone was shocked when Holmgren had fourth and two with 10 minutes left down by three scores and punted the ball away.Seattle needed three scores anyway you slice it. You have to figure GB was going to take some time off the clock. Punting the ball away is getting you nowhere.If you questioned Tomlins decision last week you have to question Holmgrens. My first feeling was he did not want to get blown out worse than it was. If that was the case..then he basically threw in the towel. That in itself is inexcusable.In a playoff game you never quit.

He wanted to make sure they didn't go to overtime again.His comment was 'We would still have lost, just like last time'.

 

[monessen]

Holmgren excels at barking at refs, staring at a colorful play chart, refusing to clarify his coaching status for next year, dumping Jeramy Stevens so he can blame Marcus Pollard for dropping balls instead, winning games at home but no playoff victories for Seattle on the road, having the good fortune of a reliable Josh Brown, not knowing exactly what to do with Shaun Alexander except give him the ball on the 1-yard line, and being thin-skinned.

Aren't Seahawk fans tired of this act yet? They deserve better. Sure, he brought improvement to the team upon his arrival, but a plateau has been reached. His rep of success as Packers' coach no longer has much luster in the Northwest. Good thing they played in a fairly weak division this year.

 

[mad sweeney]

Holmgren excels at barking at refs, staring at a colorful play chart, refusing to clarify his coaching status for next year, dumping Jeramy Stevens so he can blame Marcus Pollard for dropping balls instead, winning games at home but no playoff victories for Seattle on the road, having the good fortune of a reliable Josh Brown, not knowing exactly what to do with Shaun Alexander except give him the ball on the 1-yard line, and being thin-skinned.Aren't Seahawk fans tired of this act yet? They deserve better. Sure, he brought improvement to the team upon his arrival, but a plateau has been reached. His rep of success as Packers' coach no longer has much luster in the Northwest. Good thing they played in a fairly weak division this year.

Nice try. Stevens was a UFA who got arrested the night before FA started and had 4 costly drops in the SB. Nobody dumped him and if you'll recall, the interest in him was very limited.They've won a playoff game 3 years running, were 15 yards from a repeat trip to the NFC championship game and had he not been completely undercut by Ruskell in the transition tag on Hutch when Holmgren thought they were franchising him they probably would've been there no problem. He's turned a perrenial mediocre at best team into a perrennial playoff contender/winner. Yeah his playcalling at times have been questionable and he's far from perfect but he' turned Hass into a repeat probowler and made the team into the NFC team with the best record for the last 5 years. Maybe he's plateaued but I am not ready to go back to when I thought 9-7 was a great year.

 

[monessen]

I'm sure he'd appreciate your support. Yet, I know you won't surprised if he bolts. He seems to want out. Hello, Coach Mora, Jr. (?) I agree with you about the Steve H departure. The money went to the wrong dude on offense, the guy who seems very content now to share time with Mo Morris. Perhaps Holmgren should get credit for not complaining to the media about the bad business move. I go along with Mad Sweeney's many valid points.

As to playoff wins, I'd not seen Romo botch an extra-point snap before Seattle's win. Certainly, you can cite the bright side about how close their loss was to Chicago last year, but maybe only Providence even got them there, along with many long Brown field goals during the 2006 campaign until Gould hit the big one. Live by the kicking game, die by it.

For a team with the most NFC wins in the past 5 years, he also deserves kudos. But I remember Jack Ramsay, when coaching the Trail Blazers once saying in the late 1970s, "We're playing just well enough to lose." I think Norv Turner has now won as many road playoff games, if not more, than Holmgren did in his Seattle tenure. Kinda scary.

As to the title of this thread, no, I don't think he threw in the towel. He's no quitter and didn't pack it in during the Green Bay snowstorm. He has helped Hasselbeck, to be sure. However, so might have several head coaches. I believe Green Bay played with far greater intensity on Saturday after going down 14-0. Is the head coach not somewhat culpable for allowing such a swift and decisive turnaround?

 

[Da Guru]

I'm sure he'd appreciate your support. Yet, I know you won't surprised if he bolts. He seems to want out. Hello, Coach Mora, Jr. (?) I agree with you about the Steve H departure. The money went to the wrong dude on offense, the guy who seems very content now to share time with Mo Morris. Perhaps Holmgren should get credit for not complaining to the media about the bad business move. I go along with Mad Sweeney's many valid points. As to playoff wins, I'd not seen Romo botch an extra-point snap before Seattle's win. Certainly, you can cite the bright side about how close their loss was to Chicago last year, but maybe only Providence even got them there, along with many long Brown field goals during the 2006 campaign until Gould hit the big one. Live by the kicking game, die by it.For a team with the most NFC wins in the past 5 years, he also deserves kudos. But I remember Jack Ramsay, when coaching the Trail Blazers once saying in the late 1970s, "We're playing just well enough to lose." I think Norv Turner has now won as many road playoff games, if not more, than Holmgren did in his Seattle tenure. Kinda scary. As to the title of this thread, no, I don't think he threw in the towel. He's no quitter and didn't pack it in during the Green Bay snowstorm. He has helped Hasselbeck, to be sure. However, so might have several head coaches. I believe Green Bay played with far greater intensity on Saturday after going down 14-0

Holmgren seems pretty set in his ways.I feel a younger coach would not have punted the ball away on fourth and two..down by three scores. In reality the game was over as soon as they punted.

 

[mad sweeney]

I'm sure he'd appreciate your support. Yet, I know you won't surprised if he bolts. He seems to want out. Hello, Coach Mora, Jr. (?) I agree with you about the Steve H departure. The money went to the wrong dude on offense, the guy who seems very content now to share time with Mo Morris. Perhaps Holmgren should get credit for not complaining to the media about the bad business move. I go along with Mad Sweeney's many valid points.

As to playoff wins, I'd not seen Romo botch an extra-point snap before Seattle's win. Certainly, you can cite the bright side about how close their loss was to Chicago last year, but maybe only Providence even got them there, along with many long Brown field goals during the 2006 campaign until Gould hit the big one. Live by the kicking game, die by it.

For a team with the most NFC wins in the past 5 years, he also deserves kudos. But I remember Jack Ramsay, when coaching the Trail Blazers once saying in the late 1970s, "We're playing just well enough to lose." I think Norv Turner has now won as many road playoff games, if not more, than Holmgren did in his Seattle tenure. Kinda scary.

As to the title of this thread, no, I don't think he threw in the towel. He's no quitter and didn't pack it in during the Green Bay snowstorm. He has helped Hasselbeck, to be sure. However, so might have several head coaches. I believe Green Bay played with far greater intensity on Saturday after going down 14-0. Is the head coach not somewhat culpable for allowing such a swift and decisive turnaround?

Again, a good FG there in no way sealed the game for the Boys. The Hawks would've had a minute, a TO and a kicker that nailed 55 yarders for breakfast after just driving down for scores on their previous 2 drives. Providence is overrated. Brown had 4 GW FGs on a team that had only 1 player on O start every game and had the same OL combo week to week about 4 times. They needed FGs because their ProBowlers were hurt.Sure the coach is culpable, but only to a point. His defensive front 7 was swamped by a combo of absolutely dominating OL play and deteriorating field conditions that neutralized their speed. The coach can't go out there and play the game. They were beat physically and were out of the game after a ton of mental errors on O, mainly in the form of dropped balls. And most of those from normally very reliable WRs.

I have a lot of issues with his playcalling. Whenever there's a new coach, I don't ever want to see another 3rd and long draw more than once every other game. But like I said, he's got Seattle constantly near the top of the NFC and there's no telling what a new guy would do. If he wants to come back, I welcome him back with no reservations.

As for the Turner comparasin. Wow, he won a road game. That's about the only thing Norv as on Holmgren and it's with a 14-2 team that somebody else built with prowbowlers on both sides of the ball.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Holmgren excels at barking at refs, staring at a colorful play chart, refusing to clarify his coaching status for next year, dumping Jeramy Stevens so he can blame Marcus Pollard for dropping balls instead, winning games at home but no playoff victories for Seattle on the road, having the good fortune of a reliable Josh Brown, not knowing exactly what to do with Shaun Alexander except give him the ball on the 1-yard line, and being thin-skinned.

Aren't Seahawk fans tired of this act yet? They deserve better. Sure, he brought improvement to the team upon his arrival, but a plateau has been reached. His rep of success as Packers' coach no longer has much luster in the Northwest. Good thing they played in a fairly weak division this year.

Not only do they go to the playoffs every year, but they haven't suffered the "Super Bowl hangover" that most teams (especially the losers) suffer. You want to know why they lost to the Packers? Because the Packers are better. They took advantage of the turnovers they were given, and Hasselbeck played pretty well. But the other team was better. Holmgren puts them in a position to play in games that mean something. Seattle fans should feel good about that.

 

[cacksman]

I agree with madsweeney in that I wasnt happy about the punt on 4th and 2 but I understood it a little bit. The game was over at that point. I really blame the defense for playing absolutely horribly and Marcus Pollard. That dude just sucks. The defense is built on speed and when it started snowing, the game turned into a pound it, strength type of game. Seattle's D needs good footing to get off the ball and attack the QB. If it never started snowing that day and Pollard plays better, the game would have been so much closer.

FWIW, I hope Holmgren comes back next year.

 

[H.K.]

As to the other case, it was 4 and 15 on the Seattle 15 with 3.30 left. The game was already over. No need to give GB an easy score and have the score run up.

Why? Losing is losing no matter the margin.I know the chances of winning were just above nil, but Holmgren flat out quitting with that much time left in the game sent a horrible message to his team.