Did TO go off on Parcells on the sidelines Sunday ? (1 Viewer)

[The Moz]

I really didn't hear any serious talk about it -- thogh on the highlights they showed Parcells saying something to him and give him an pat on the ### - all of a sudden TO starts freaking out in a hissy and " appeared " to be directing it at Parcells.

Now Parcells wouldn't even take that from LT and TO is no where near the talent level as a football player that LT was..

I realize parcells had to take a different approach in dealing with TO - but I never thought he would just let a player scream at him on the sidelines like that.

 

[redman]

I'm no TO supporter at all, but it's pretty hard to say what was going on. TO, who has been known to yell at nobody in particular on the sidelines or at himself, could have been yelling at himself to psyche himself up after that talk.

We won't know for sure unless Parcells, TO, or a bystander says what they heard, and I doubt very much that that will happen.

 

[mad sweeney]

I really didn't hear any serious talk about it -- thogh on the highlights they showed Parcells saying something to him and give him an pat on the ### - all of a sudden TO starts freaking out in a hissy and " appeared " to be directing it at Parcells. Now Parcells wouldn't even take that from LT and TO is no where near the talent level as a football player that LT was.. I realize parcells had to take a different approach in dealing with TO - but I never thought he would just let a player scream at him on the sidelines like that.

It happened when Parcells talked to TO after he selfishly took a 15 yd penalty for end zone celebrations. Soon thereafter he dropped a long TD catch...

 

[Ice Cream Man]

selfishly took a 15 yd penalty

What kind of nonsense is this? If you don't like the player just say so. But you could say every player who commits a penalty is selfish. No one really intends to take a penalty.

 

[EdwardCat]

I really didn't hear any serious talk about it -- thogh on the highlights they showed Parcells saying something to him and give him an pat on the ### - all of a sudden TO starts freaking out in a hissy and " appeared " to be directing it at Parcells.

Now Parcells wouldn't even take that from LT and TO is no where near the talent level as a football player that LT was..

I realize parcells had to take a different approach in dealing with TO - but I never thought he would just let a player scream at him on the sidelines like that.

 

[sdsjr3]

selfishly took a 15 yd penalty

What kind of nonsense is this? If you don't like the player just say so. But you could say every player who commits a penalty is selfish. No one really intends to take a penalty.

Umm, actually...taking a penalty because your celebrating and KNOWING the flag is coming out? Yeah...that's selfish. There are times that a Pass interference is a good thing, but typically, most penalties are due to accident, poor timing, or not paying attention. TO's? THAT'S as selfish as it gets. And furthermore...just plain dumb.

 

[redman]

selfishly took a 15 yd penalty

What kind of nonsense is this? If you don't like the player just say so. But you could say every player who commits a penalty is selfish. No one really intends to take a penalty.

 

[j3r3m3y]

selfishly took a 15 yd penalty

What kind of nonsense is this? If you don't like the player just say so. But you could say every player who commits a penalty is selfish. No one really intends to take a penalty.

The penalty was for celebration and could have been avoided. He knew he would be penalized for using the ball as a prop, it is in the rules.He didn't care, that is selfish.

 

[Slinger]

selfishly took a 15 yd penalty

What kind of nonsense is this? If you don't like the player just say so. But you could say every player who commits a penalty is selfish. No one really intends to take a penalty.

This is signature worthy.

 

[NYCGangGreen]

selfishly took a 15 yd penalty

What kind of nonsense is this? If you don't like the player just say so. But you could say every player who commits a penalty is selfish. No one really intends to take a penalty.

The penalty was for celebration and could have been avoided. He knew he would be penalized for using the ball as a prop, it is in the rules.He didn't care, that is selfish.

Selfish Indeed..........Funny, but Selfish.Here's an idea...stop giving him reasons to make such absurd celebrations...and I'd bet he would stop.....................oh who are we kidding, he will never stop.Props to the "I love me some sleep!" comment in the other thread that made me spit coffee all over my screen.

 

[cobalt_27]

I really didn't hear any serious talk about it -- thogh on the highlights they showed Parcells saying something to him and give him an pat on the ### - all of a sudden TO starts freaking out in a hissy and " appeared " to be directing it at Parcells.

Now Parcells wouldn't even take that from LT and TO is no where near the talent level as a football player that LT was..

I realize parcells had to take a different approach in dealing with TO - but I never thought he would just let a player scream at him on the sidelines like that.

He isn't even close to the talent of LT. What's with the roll of the eyes. He's a gifted runner with the ball and physical with DBs. But, he's an average pass-catcher, which last I checked, was his primary responsibility. LT is a top-tier Hall of Famer. I have serious doubts whether TO will get in or is even worthy of entry.

 

[Koya]

I was thinking about starting a topic about the following, but was too lazy.

With TO being, well, TO - a usual destructive force that ends up doing more harm than good (which isnt easy when you are THAT talented) - I am shocked that Parcells seems like he doesnt care or isnt willing to actually confront the player/put the player in his place. To be honest, Ive lost a little respect for Parcells with this... this just doenst seem to be the ol' Parcells anymore.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

I was thinking about starting a topic about the following, but was too lazy.With TO being, well, TO - a usual destructive force that ends up doing more harm than good (which isnt easy when you are THAT talented) - I am shocked that Parcells seems like he doesnt care or isnt willing to actually confront the player/put the player in his place. To be honest, Ive lost a little respect for Parcells with this... this just doenst seem to be the ol' Parcells anymore.

When I saw that, I thought it would be a big deal in the following days. That was one line I was wondering if he would try to cross, but even for TO, I didn't think he'd go there. He did. And Parcells isn't handling it like I thought he would, or like I had hoped.What a drain on the old man he's been. He's aging like a president this season...

 

[redman]

I really didn't hear any serious talk about it -- thogh on the highlights they showed Parcells saying something to him and give him an pat on the ### - all of a sudden TO starts freaking out in a hissy and " appeared " to be directing it at Parcells.

Now Parcells wouldn't even take that from LT and TO is no where near the talent level as a football player that LT was..

I realize parcells had to take a different approach in dealing with TO - but I never thought he would just let a player scream at him on the sidelines like that.

He isn't even close to the talent of LT. What's with the roll of the eyes. He's a gifted runner with the ball and physical with DBs. But, he's an average pass-catcher, which last I checked, was his primary responsibility. LT is a top-tier Hall of Famer. I have serious doubts whether TO will get in or is even worthy of entry.

LT revolutionized his position. TO revolutionized marketing for Sharpies - seriously, did you ever see a Sharpie reference or advertisement before that incident?

 

[Koya]

I really didn't hear any serious talk about it -- thogh on the highlights they showed Parcells saying something to him and give him an pat on the ### - all of a sudden TO starts freaking out in a hissy and " appeared " to be directing it at Parcells.

Now Parcells wouldn't even take that from LT and TO is no where near the talent level as a football player that LT was..

I realize parcells had to take a different approach in dealing with TO - but I never thought he would just let a player scream at him on the sidelines like that.

He isn't even close to the talent of LT. What's with the roll of the eyes. He's a gifted runner with the ball and physical with DBs. But, he's an average pass-catcher, which last I checked, was his primary responsibility. LT is a top-tier Hall of Famer. I have serious doubts whether TO will get in or is even worthy of entry.

LT revolutionized his position. TO revolutionized marketing for Sharpies - seriously, did you ever see a Sharpie reference or advertisement before that incident?

I just hope the guy is fishing. Or at LEAST never actually watched LT play.I mean, one of the top TALENTS and one of the better WRs overall of his playing time who becomes a losing mentality on winning teams can not compare to a two time champion, single handedly changed Defense, single handedly changed OFFENSE, easily best LB EVER, very very possibly (some say likely) greatest DEFESIVE PLAYER ever, and some argue greatest player ever (I am not going that far, but he is prettyclose).

Now, I assume he is fishing, but love to give LT props. To bring this back to topical:

LT was a handful, but we NEVER would do something ON PURPOSE, on the football field, that would hurt his team like Owens did. LT never looked to draw away from the team, cause division and derision. LT came to play every day, he went hard in practice, he would give a limb for his teamates... so yeah, he got away with a lot of ####.

But he is so opposite the person and player TO is... LT was simply put, a winning player who wanted good for the team. TO? Opposite.

 

[The Moz]

I really didn't hear any serious talk about it -- thogh on the highlights they showed Parcells saying something to him and give him an pat on the ### - all of a sudden TO starts freaking out in a hissy and " appeared " to be directing it at Parcells.

Now Parcells wouldn't even take that from LT and TO is no where near the talent level as a football player that LT was..

I realize parcells had to take a different approach in dealing with TO - but I never thought he would just let a player scream at him on the sidelines like that.

He isn't even close to the talent of LT. What's with the roll of the eyes. He's a gifted runner with the ball and physical with DBs. But, he's an average pass-catcher, which last I checked, was his primary responsibility. LT is a top-tier Hall of Famer. I have serious doubts whether TO will get in or is even worthy of entry.

LT revolutionized his position. TO revolutionized marketing for Sharpies - seriously, did you ever see a Sharpie reference or advertisement before that incident?

I just hope the guy is fishing. Or at LEAST never actually watched LT play.I mean, one of the top TALENTS and one of the better WRs overall of his playing time who becomes a losing mentality on winning teams can not compare to a two time champion, single handedly changed Defense, single handedly changed OFFENSE, easily best LB EVER, very very possibly (some say likely) greatest DEFESIVE PLAYER ever, and some argue greatest player ever (I am not going that far, but he is prettyclose).

Now, I assume he is fishing, but love to give LT props. To bring this back to topical:

LT was a handful, but we NEVER would do something ON PURPOSE, on the football field, that would hurt his team like Owens did. LT never looked to draw away from the team, cause division and derision. LT came to play every day, he went hard in practice, he would give a limb for his teamates... so yeah, he got away with a lot of ####.

But he is so opposite the person and player TO is... LT was simply put, a winning player who wanted good for the team. TO? Opposite.

LT just had a serious issue with Cocaine and crack Imagine how great he woulda been if he was actually clean ! It s great he was capable of geting off da pipe and like you said he was a GREAT teamate and that played a huge part in his getting starightened out after football as alot of his old teamates helped him out a whole lot. You think a TO teamate would urinate on the guy if he was on fire ? LT was the greatest LB ever and the LB everyone wants to be like !

 

[The Moz]

I was thinking about starting a topic about the following, but was too lazy.With TO being, well, TO - a usual destructive force that ends up doing more harm than good (which isnt easy when you are THAT talented) - I am shocked that Parcells seems like he doesnt care or isnt willing to actually confront the player/put the player in his place. To be honest, Ive lost a little respect for Parcells with this... this just doenst seem to be the ol' Parcells anymore.

agree again ! I thought for certain Parcells would of fined him or somehting - damn you hardly even heard about it after the football game ! It like Parcells is making like it never happened !

 

[Da Guru]

Owens is the only player Parcells is afraid of.

 

[Koya]

Do any of the guys here who are criticizing Parcells actually know what was said? Didn't think so...

I know that TO flat out mocked having slept in a team meeting, all the while knowingly hurting his time for his own glory/fame/exposure and at least as of now, is slated to play next game as he played the rest of that game.So, I dont know what Parcells has said.I do see what Parcells is (and is not) doing. This isn't the Parcells I know. Just looks like he is taking it.

 

[Koya]

I was thinking about starting a topic about the following, but was too lazy.With TO being, well, TO - a usual destructive force that ends up doing more harm than good (which isnt easy when you are THAT talented) - I am shocked that Parcells seems like he doesnt care or isnt willing to actually confront the player/put the player in his place. To be honest, Ive lost a little respect for Parcells with this... this just doenst seem to be the ol' Parcells anymore.

agree again ! I thought for certain Parcells would of fined him or somehting - damn you hardly even heard about it after the football game ! It like Parcells is making like it never happened !

Its weird. Something doesnt make sense. I wonder if Parcells is just like #### this. JJ is up in my stuff and I have to deal with the headaches he forces on me, screw it.Now, I dont know the inner workings, I admit - but what we do see is just weird in regard to Parcells.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Do any of the guys here who are criticizing Parcells actually know what was said? Didn't think so...

Don't think for a minute that Bill Parcells would have allowed this from ANY player, at ANY point in his career. Not a chance in hell. He is saddled with this clown and there's nothing he can do.

 

[Biabreakable]

ooops wrong thread.

 

[mad sweeney]

selfishly took a 15 yd penalty

What kind of nonsense is this? If you don't like the player just say so. But you could say every player who commits a penalty is selfish. No one really intends to take a penalty.

He didn't intend to lay his head on the ball like he was sleeping? It was just an accident? Maybe he didn't know it was a penalty to do an endzone celebration with the ball as a prop this year. Are you kidding?

 

[Crusaderfan]

selfishly took a 15 yd penalty

What kind of nonsense is this? If you don't like the player just say so. But you could say every player who commits a penalty is selfish. No one really intends to take a penalty.

He didn't intend to lay his head on the ball like he was sleeping? It was just an accident? Maybe he didn't know it was a penalty to do an endzone celebration with the ball as a prop this year. Are you kidding?

I think TO felt so bad about it that he dropped a easy TD catch down the middle later in the game. He obviously didn't want to cause anymore problems with his end zone celebrations. That's TO always thinking of the team first!Willie

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Do any of the guys here who are criticizing Parcells actually know what was said?

Didn't think so...

Don't think for a minute that Bill Parcells would have allowed this from ANY player, at ANY point in his career. Not a chance in hell. He is saddled with this clown and there's nothing he can do.

Not too familiar with Parcells, eh?

BTW, just what is it that Parcells "allowed" here?

What alias could this be?In your profile, a link for your expert advice I see. The very first 4 paragraphs highlite the following "STEALS" in the draft this year:

You want Fantasy Football Sleepers and Value Picks? We got 'em for ya!

QB

Drew Bledsoe - Don't pass on this guy for the Brady's and McNabb's of the FF world...you

should be able to land the former #1 pick of the 1993 draft somewhere around QB

number 4 or 5 in most drafts, sometimes even later. Expect close to 4,000 yards passing

and at least 28 touchdowns (16 int) from Drew. Take Bledose and run with him like Vince

Vaughn did with the nude gay art show in the Wedding Crashers!

Jake Plummer - The addition of Javon Walker at WR will make Plummer FF gold at his

current draft position amongst QBs. He appears to be going as QB #6 on down and is a

real fantasy bargain in those slots. The loss of RB Mike Anderson could even vault Jake

into the endzone a time or two more than usual via the ground in 2006. Projecting 3,600

yards passing, 25 touchdowns (15 int) via the air, another 200 rushing yards with 3

touchdowns on the ground for Plummer.

Kurt Warner - As typical Coach Green teams go, the QB is afforded with the best pair of

WR's in the league...and this situation is no exception. With upgrades to both the running

game in Edgerrin James and to a defense, including players returning from injury. This

combined with offseason acquisitions via the draft and free agency, will allow more

offensive opportunities overall than last year. We don't see a rookie QB (Matt Leinart)

who isn't here as a threat to the veteran Warner anytime soon. Unfortunately Warner

also represents the highest interception rate and fumble rate among our QBs listed

here, giving us the cliche high risk-high reward player in more ways than one. Bledsoe &

Simms fumbles were up there last year, but many of those were due to offensive line

injuries. Warner carries the highest fumbling and interception risk here. Everyone is

already familiar with the recent years injury factor associated with both the (concussed)

head and thumb (grip) of the veteran QB. Still, we can see the Arizona QB going for 3,500

passing yards and 23 aerial touchdowns (17 int) this upcoming year, based primarily on

the offensive weapons surrounding him.

Chris Simms - Playing in a contract year with a great RB in Carnell Cadillac Williams, the

apparent remergence of WR David Boston to compete with Ike Hilliard for the 3rd WR

slot. Combined with current starters Joey Galloway and Michael Clayton, this club goes

deep at WR with proven players at the NFL level. A couple of these veterans can really

get down the field in a hurry, which plays to young Simms strengths. Oh by the way, his

HC Jon Gruden has a knack for gettting the most out of his QB's. Look for 3,400 passing

yards and 23 passing touchdowns (16 int) from the young southpaw Bucs QB.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Do any of the guys here who are criticizing Parcells actually know what was said? Didn't think so...

Don't think for a minute that Bill Parcells would have allowed this from ANY player, at ANY point in his career. Not a chance in hell. He is saddled with this clown and there's nothing he can do.

Not too familiar with Parcells, eh? BTW, just what is it that Parcells "allowed" here?

What alias could this be?

No alias here...care to stay on topic this time?Please educate everyone on what Parcells "allows" and doesn't "allow"...I can't wait to hear this

You tell me...you're the expert.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Do any of the guys here who are criticizing Parcells actually know what was said?

Didn't think so...

Don't think for a minute that Bill Parcells would have allowed this from ANY player, at ANY point in his career. Not a chance in hell. He is saddled with this clown and there's nothing he can do.

Not too familiar with Parcells, eh?

BTW, just what is it that Parcells "allowed" here?

What alias could this be?In your profile, a link for your expert advice I see. The very first 4 paragraphs highlite the following "STEALS" in the draft this year:

You want Fantasy Football Sleepers and Value Picks? We got 'em for ya!

QB

Drew Bledsoe - Don't pass on this guy for the Brady's and McNabb's of the FF world...you

should be able to land the former #1 pick of the 1993 draft somewhere around QB

number 4 or 5 in most drafts, sometimes even later. Expect close to 4,000 yards passing

and at least 28 touchdowns (16 int) from Drew. Take Bledose and run with him like Vince

Vaughn did with the nude gay art show in the Wedding Crashers!

Jake Plummer - The addition of Javon Walker at WR will make Plummer FF gold at his

current draft position amongst QBs. He appears to be going as QB #6 on down and is a

real fantasy bargain in those slots. The loss of RB Mike Anderson could even vault Jake

into the endzone a time or two more than usual via the ground in 2006. Projecting 3,600

yards passing, 25 touchdowns (15 int) via the air, another 200 rushing yards with 3

touchdowns on the ground for Plummer.

Kurt Warner - As typical Coach Green teams go, the QB is afforded with the best pair of

WR's in the league...and this situation is no exception. With upgrades to both the running

game in Edgerrin James and to a defense, including players returning from injury. This

combined with offseason acquisitions via the draft and free agency, will allow more

offensive opportunities overall than last year. We don't see a rookie QB (Matt Leinart)

who isn't here as a threat to the veteran Warner anytime soon. Unfortunately Warner

also represents the highest interception rate and fumble rate among our QBs listed

here, giving us the cliche high risk-high reward player in more ways than one. Bledsoe &

Simms fumbles were up there last year, but many of those were due to offensive line

injuries. Warner carries the highest fumbling and interception risk here. Everyone is

already familiar with the recent years injury factor associated with both the (concussed)

head and thumb (grip) of the veteran QB. Still, we can see the Arizona QB going for 3,500

passing yards and 23 aerial touchdowns (17 int) this upcoming year, based primarily on

the offensive weapons surrounding him.

Chris Simms - Playing in a contract year with a great RB in Carnell Cadillac Williams, the

apparent remergence of WR David Boston to compete with Ike Hilliard for the 3rd WR

slot. Combined with current starters Joey Galloway and Michael Clayton, this club goes

deep at WR with proven players at the NFL level. A couple of these veterans can really

get down the field in a hurry, which plays to young Simms strengths. Oh by the way, his

HC Jon Gruden has a knack for gettting the most out of his QB's. Look for 3,400 passing

yards and 23 passing touchdowns (16 int) from the young southpaw Bucs QB.

You like these 4 better? WR

Terrell Owens - Much like Clinton Portis above, landing TO at his current late first, early

second round draft position will bring you Fantasy Gold in 2006. The new Dallas Cowboys

superstar will be used early and often this upcoming year. HC Bill Parcells knows just

how to control a high end dominant passing game and has done so in the past with both

the Jets and Patriots, despite many people's insistance on the Tuna being strictly a

running game HC. Forget the verbal war with the Eagles, forget the book, forget the

media piling the negativity on, Owens is simply far and away the best WR to play the

game since his former 49er teammate Jerry Rice was dominant. Give the man his due

(as we do) with 1,400+ yards receiving (97 rec) and 15 touchdown catches, along with

60-80 rushing yards and another touchdown (1) via the ground. Which these type

numbers will have Terrell solidly entrenched as a mid first round pick based on our

projections, and thus a very nice value pick virtually anywhere you can land him in FF

drafts. We are also taking even money bets that Parcells nicknames and refers to

Owens as 'Superstar' at least several times during the 2006 NFL season.

What are you bragging about with Owens here? That was your #1 pick overall. You are excited about that?And you think predicting that Wayne would finally overtake Harrison was something nobody was thinking?

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Do any of the guys here who are criticizing Parcells actually know what was said? Didn't think so...

Don't think for a minute that Bill Parcells would have allowed this from ANY player, at ANY point in his career. Not a chance in hell. He is saddled with this clown and there's nothing he can do.

Not too familiar with Parcells, eh? BTW, just what is it that Parcells "allowed" here?

What alias could this be?

No alias here...care to stay on topic this time?Please educate everyone on what Parcells "allows" and doesn't "allow"...I can't wait to hear this

You tell me...you're the expert.

You made the statement that...

"Don't think for a minute that Bill Parcells would have allowed this from ANY player, at ANY point in his career. Not a chance in hell."

I would like to know what it is that Parcells would not allow?

The missed practices, for one. Actually forget it, just answer this, do you think the leash is longer for TO than any player he has coached?

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Do any of the guys here who are criticizing Parcells actually know what was said? Didn't think so...

Don't think for a minute that Bill Parcells would have allowed this from ANY player, at ANY point in his career. Not a chance in hell. He is saddled with this clown and there's nothing he can do.

Not too familiar with Parcells, eh? BTW, just what is it that Parcells "allowed" here?

What alias could this be?

No alias here...care to stay on topic this time?Please educate everyone on what Parcells "allows" and doesn't "allow"...I can't wait to hear this

You tell me...you're the expert.

You made the statement that...

"Don't think for a minute that Bill Parcells would have allowed this from ANY player, at ANY point in his career. Not a chance in hell."

I would like to know what it is that Parcells would not allow?

The missed practices, for one. Actually forget it, just answer this, do you think the leash is longer for TO than any player he has coached?

What missed practices? Link?What did Owens do that Parcells would not allow from any player in his past coaching history? Please elaborate...

Does he allow players to sleep in meetings?

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

What are you bragging about with Owens here? That was your #1 pick overall. You are excited about that?And you think predicting that Wayne would finally overtake Harrison was something nobody was thinking?

Nobody's bragging here, you went completely off topic and cherry picked some of the selections I made before the preseason games started back on August 4th.Yes Owens was my #1 WR, what's your point?Yes I said to take Wayne over Harrison, again your point is?Yes I had Javon Walker and Andre Johnson as great value picks, again your point is?How about staying on topic here so this thread is not ruined, like the others you have ruined in the past.What does Parcells not allow? You made the statement, now back it up please...

I didn't cherry pick, I posted the first four paragraphs of your expert website. The QB's selections were AWESOME. Don't get upset about that.You came back with your WR selections, which was a funny rebuttal in that one was your boy TO, your #1, and the other big call was Wayne over Harrison. Whoopie.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Does he allow players to sleep in meetings?

As long as they have a note from Epstein's mother...

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Actually, I was just fishing, I couldn't agree with you more. Have a great night!

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Actually, I was just fishing, I couldn't agree with you more. Have a great night!

I guess you expected Parcells to suspend Owens, or even kick him off the team? Despite the fact that there is no history in Parcells past of dealing with any of his previous players in this manner. Can you even name the last player Parcells suspended?I guess there are still some people around who believe Parcells has never had shouting matches or heated arguments with any of his previous players and coaches. A common misconception from the average fan...

I couldn't agree with you more. Parcells' leash with TO is no longer than any other player he has ever coached. Have a great night!

 

[Bri]

Now Parcells wouldn't even take that from LT

LT was (arguably) high at games. He yelled at players on his team, the opposing team, coaches, and probably things that weren't even there too.LT's in game comments are some of the best moments on those season VCR tapes. Maybe similar to Sharpe yapping all the time but angry

 

[Assani Fisher]

I really didn't hear any serious talk about it -- thogh on the highlights they showed Parcells saying something to him and give him an pat on the ### - all of a sudden TO starts freaking out in a hissy and " appeared " to be directing it at Parcells.

Now Parcells wouldn't even take that from LT and TO is no where near the talent level as a football player that LT was..

I realize parcells had to take a different approach in dealing with TO - but I never thought he would just let a player scream at him on the sidelines like that.

He isn't even close to the talent of LT. What's with the roll of the eyes. He's a gifted runner with the ball and physical with DBs. But, he's an average pass-catcher, which last I checked, was his primary responsibility. LT is a top-tier Hall of Famer. I have serious doubts whether TO will get in or is even worthy of entry.

the amount of TO hate on this board is just silly.

 

[redman]

I really didn't hear any serious talk about it -- thogh on the highlights they showed Parcells saying something to him and give him an pat on the ### - all of a sudden TO starts freaking out in a hissy and " appeared " to be directing it at Parcells.

Now Parcells wouldn't even take that from LT and TO is no where near the talent level as a football player that LT was..

I realize parcells had to take a different approach in dealing with TO - but I never thought he would just let a player scream at him on the sidelines like that.

He isn't even close to the talent of LT. What's with the roll of the eyes. He's a gifted runner with the ball and physical with DBs. But, he's an average pass-catcher, which last I checked, was his primary responsibility. LT is a top-tier Hall of Famer. I have serious doubts whether TO will get in or is even worthy of entry.

the amount of TO hate on this board is just silly.

Why? Because he doesn't match up to the guy who has a claim to being the greatest defensive player of all time and who changed the way that his position is played (and how offenses have to play against it)?

TO is an ### clown - a very talented ### clown, but an ### clown nontheless. Anyone who thinks that Parcells is doing much more than suffering in silence with him isn't paying attention. For example, I'm still waiting on the first example of Parcells' public silence in the face of one of his players intentionally taking a self-aggrandizing penalty. Anyone?

 

[u999spf]

Ummm, so nobody knows what was said during the T.O. - Parcells exchange on the sideline on Sunday then?

 

[redman]

The only thing Parcells is concerned about with Owens is his performance on the field. All Owens has to do is run his routes, get open, catch the damn ball and block. Owens does this and he stays on the field, if he doesn't do this, then they find somebody else who can. It's really just that simple with Parcells...

I take it that your impression was that Owens' use of the football as a pillow occurred somewhere other than "on the field"?

 

[Bri]

Ummm, so nobody knows what was said during the T.O. - Parcells exchange on the sideline on Sunday then?

quit throwing logic into this discussion good point

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

selfishly took a 15 yd penalty

What kind of nonsense is this? If you don't like the player just say so. But you could say every player who commits a penalty is selfish. No one really intends to take a penalty.

I disagree with this........this isn't like a holding penalty or a false start. This is premeditated and he knows darn well that if done, he'll get the penalty.Does he want the penalty.......no. But the penalty given isn't enough to make him stop. If the penalty was he'd lose all of his pay for the entire game, do you think he'd still do it? No way!Since it's only his team that it will cost, in his mind it's justified.

 

[simsarge]

I could be wrong, but my take was that when TO walked over to Parcells BP whispered something to him then gave him the pat on the a##. Then The Player went off. If i was a betting man, I'd say BP said something like "Nice TD catch, but as per your contract, that penalty just cost you your game check". Thus the TO tirade.

Just my two cents

 

[rhawkins68]

Ummm, so nobody knows what was said during the T.O. - Parcells exchange on the sideline on Sunday then?

quit throwing logic into this discussion good point

Logic is not allowed.

 

[mad sweeney]

Anyone who thinks that Parcells is doing much more than suffering in silence with him isn't paying attention. For example, I'm still waiting on the first example of Parcells' public silence in the face of one of his players intentionally taking a self-aggrandizing penalty. Anyone?

Parcells wasn't silent about the taunting penalty...he spoke about it yesterday at his Press Conference on NFL Network. You must have missed it...

I missed it, what'd he say?

 

[redman]

The only thing Parcells is concerned about with Owens is his performance on the field. All Owens has to do is run his routes, get open, catch the damn ball and block. Owens does this and he stays on the field, if he doesn't do this, then they find somebody else who can. It's really just that simple with Parcells...

I take it that your impression was that Owens' use of the football as a pillow occurred somewhere other than "on the field"?

I'll repeat what I just stated above...

Parcells wasn't silent about the taunting penalty...he spoke about it yesterday at his Press Conference on NFL Network. You must have missed it.

Unable to find an actual transcript, I found a report on his press conference here. I quote it in pertinent part:

Parcells called his team's recent rash of penalties "exasperating."

"I've never had a heavily-penalized team my whole life that I can remember. Maybe one out of 18," Parcells said. "A couple times I think we led the league with the fewest. I know we've been pretty low here most of the time."

Parcells didn't call his team undisciplined, but said it has to use better judgment. He didn't have a problem with most of the Cowboys' 11 penalties against the Redskins but said Kyle Kosier's 15-yard facemask penalty at the end of the game did not appear flagrant on film. Kosier's penalty set up Nick Novak's game-winning 47-yard field goal for Washington.

"It's concentration and it's judgment, that's what penalties are," Parcells said. "You can't think for the player. Now at the end of the day, am I responsible for it? Yeah I am. I understand 11 penalties; your team is playing without a lot of discipline. But I can't make the player concentrate."

Mercy, he sure came down hard.

 

[Das Boot]

When Owens was asked in the Washington Times what Parcells said to him about the penalty, Owens said "Coach Parcells said we don't need that right now".

Oh SNAP!That was some serious ### chewin' going on from Parcells there, he must have been furious to say that.

I'm surprised TO is even walking today.

 

[redman]

When have you ever seen Parcells call out one of his star players in the media?

"She" down?

 

[North]

selfishly took a 15 yd penalty

What kind of nonsense is this? If you don't like the player just say so. But you could say every player who commits a penalty is selfish. No one really intends to take a penalty.

I'll come out and say it "I don't like the player" because of what he does to football teams, he has a SOLID track record for being disruptive to the team, talking back to coaches and doing what suits him and not the team. You know if it were Glenn who dropped a long TD pass he would have come to the side screaming that he never gets the ball, when its him all he does is laugh it off. Lets be honest he cares about 1 person, TO. I am convinced that if the Cowboys lose but he scores a couple TD's he really wont care about the loss. People point to his comeback in Philly and say he had heart to come back from that injury. I say that he was selfish, it is the worlds biggest stage and he didn't want to miss it. When he got there all he did was perform, o.k., but when it was over it was all about "look at me and what I did" not about the team. He put blame on a future HOFer instead of acting like a teammate.If you watch game footage from 2 weeks ago, at the end of the game when Dallas scored that late TD (run by Barber) they were in a spread formation. Once Barber scored Glenn came running in to high five him as well as other players. Cameras show TO walking off the field with his head down yelling. Im guessing that he was pissed the TD didnt go to him, either that or it was his anti-social behavior. Either way he is a cancer to any team he plays for and will bring down Dallas just as he has done to every other team he has played for. I would rather take a Holt or a Harrison any day and being a Raven fan all I can say is "thank god".

 

[Bri]

Mercy, he sure came down hard.

Like a coach whose team lost the game(or a chance to try and win) due to a penalty?RE WRs, it's not that hard for them to go a game without a penalty. I'm not surprised. I wouldn't doubt TO took "Not gonna let you hurt the team" to have to do with other previous BS not Parcells just talking about yardage and field position. I'd bet in hindsight TO thinks he(himself) overreacted.If TO doesn't run out of bounds with under 2 minutes left, or misses a key block, he'll really see Parcells get angry.