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Didn't D Jax have a TD right before half? (1 Viewer)
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CanadianNFLJunkie
Footballguy
??? He got his left foot down, then his foot stepped OUT OF BOUNDS and then he LEFT foot touched the pylon.
The Jerk
Footballguy
I'm going to repeat myself another way: The pylon when properly placed on the goal line is out of bounds at the intersection of the sideline and goal-line extended.I may be incorrect if there is a specific rule related to the NFL and the pylon that is different from other levels of football. I don't have a rulebook.
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scoobus
Footballguy
The pylon is used to make it easier to see whether a ball extends over the endzone during a close play near the sideline. If the guy knocks over the pylon with the ball, you know the ball was over the endzone and therefore a touchdown.
But touching the pylon with your foot, it is not the same as getting your foot down in bounds. All that shows is that your foot went over the goalline (which in that case it did), but it certainly has nothing to do with getting 2 feet inbounds.
Officials blew many calls that went against the Seahawks, but this was not one of them.
But touching the pylon with your foot, it is not the same as getting your foot down in bounds. All that shows is that your foot went over the goalline (which in that case it did), but it certainly has nothing to do with getting 2 feet inbounds.
Officials blew many calls that went against the Seahawks, but this was not one of them.
Preacher 1
Footballguy
One foot in bounds, one foot out of bounds,end of story...you'll notice no Seahawk #####ed about the play, meaning that they knew it was no TD.
GhostOfAnAlias
Footballguy
Yes, the pylon is inbounds. But that can only come into play if the player already has 2 feet inbounds.
Touching the pylon before you establish possession = irrelevant.
Touching the pylon before you establish possession = irrelevant.
Thunderchicken
Footballguy
I don't understand the confusion. I guess it is another example of sour grapes. Had the Seahawks won I would have done the honorable thing and said congrats, and see you next time. Something I learned in youth sports called sportsmanship.I have to wonder if the Steelers had the calls go against them as they did against the Seahawks had. I kinda doubt you would of just set there and say Congrats and that is it.We are saying congrats to the Steelers, but that does not take away from how the game was decided.
In a way I am glad Seattle was the one that had the bad calls, because Steeler fans would of acted worse..IMO from past experience I have seen on this board and in real life.
bearsharks
Footballguy
I thought the pylon was inbounds?
jurb26
Footballguy
You must not have been paying attention to the playoffs this year. What you claim happened to the Seahawks did already happen to the Steeler this year. They won the game anyway.I have to wonder if the Steelers had the calls go against them as they did against the Seahawks had. I kinda doubt you would of just set there and say Congrats and that is it.We are saying congrats to the Steelers, but that does not take away from how the game was decided.
In a way I am glad Seattle was the one that had the bad calls, because Steeler fans would of acted worse..IMO from past experience I have seen on this board and in real life.
Thunderchicken
Footballguy
You must not have been paying attention to the playoffs this year. What you claim happened to the Seahawks did already happen to the Steeler this year. They won the game anyway.I have to wonder if the Steelers had the calls go against them as they did against the Seahawks had. I kinda doubt you would of just set there and say Congrats and that is it.We are saying congrats to the Steelers, but that does not take away from how the game was decided.
In a way I am glad Seattle was the one that had the bad calls, because Steeler fans would of acted worse..IMO from past experience I have seen on this board and in real life.
I love it when someone opens up sticks their foot in their mouth. Kind of solidifies the knowledge level being dealt with in these type of threads. 
GhostOfAnAlias
Footballguy
Think of it this way: if both the player's feet had touched the pylon, but neither foot touched inbounds, would you still think it was a valid TD?
Preacher 1
Footballguy
Then go and find out...look up an NFL rule book, call the league, just do it yourself...
I agree with this. According to what I've always seen called (I have no read the actual rule) The pylon is meant to separate the endzone from the playing field...not the playing field from out of bounds. In other words, the pylon is out of bounds. When a player stretches the ball and hits the pylon, it is a TD because the pylon is on the same plane as the goalline.I am really surprised that so many people have a different view of this. Is there something I'm not thinking of?
The Jerk
Footballguy
I may be wrong about the application of the pylon being out of bounds. This is not from a rulebook, but it is from a page on nfl.com:
Rules changes in 2002
Here's the relevant part of the link: A player no longer can be ruled out of bounds when he touches a pylon unless he already touched the boundary line.
1. I don't know exactly how this is interpreted on the play in question, but it is conceivable it applies. What is not clear is does the player still need to land in bounds after touching the pylon, or is touching the pylon equivalent to touching in bounds. All it says is touching the pylon is NOT out of bounds. That is not the same as saying that touching the pylon equals being IN bounds.
2. I don't know if any changes have been made to this rule since 2002.
This may be in the area of the dreaded officials' interpretation.
Rules changes in 2002
Here's the relevant part of the link: A player no longer can be ruled out of bounds when he touches a pylon unless he already touched the boundary line.
1. I don't know exactly how this is interpreted on the play in question, but it is conceivable it applies. What is not clear is does the player still need to land in bounds after touching the pylon, or is touching the pylon equivalent to touching in bounds. All it says is touching the pylon is NOT out of bounds. That is not the same as saying that touching the pylon equals being IN bounds.
2. I don't know if any changes have been made to this rule since 2002.
This may be in the area of the dreaded officials' interpretation.
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Jayrok
Footballguy
I was just curious why they didn't at least show the replay a few more times so we could all see. On any given monday or sunday night game, the ABC/ESPN crew would show this play umpteen times, but in the biggest game of the season at a critical time, they only show one replay. Just thought it was odd.
No, Smithalready had both feet inbounds before hitting the pylon. That's the important thing. Jackson did not have both feed inbounds.And the fact that there was only one replay, shouldn't that tell you that this was not a controversial call? It was blatantly obvious.
(edit: typo/grammar)
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tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Seattle couldn't challenge, there was less than 2 minutes left in the half so the replay has to come from the booth.I too thought that Madden and Michaels missed DJax nicking the pylon with one foot and should have at least mentioned it.If it was controversial, Seattle would've challenged. I'm guessing those guys have a pretty good understanding of the rule book.EDIT: Unless it was under 2 min, in which case the guy in the booth would've asked for a replay.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
I believe you jurb - could you point me in the right direction as to where this was addressed before? I'd like to see the discussion b/c I too thought it was a TD during the game.The game thread?This was already covered. No, the pylon is not inbounds. Pylon = both out of bounds and GL.
So in simplist terms what your saying is the pylon IS OUT OF BOUNDS!Right?That has already been done. The pylon works as the sideline. You need to establish possesion before touching it. It also works as the GL. If you breaks it's plane its a TD. What more do you need to know?
cobalt_27
Footballguy
The single worst performance by analysts I'd ever seen. Ok, maybe that's hyperbole. But, I seriously can't remember being so disappointed by two veterans missing so many important moments (Big Ben's thumb, Randel El getting split in half, pylongate, performance/statistic updates--or lack thereof).Seattle couldn't challenge, there was less than 2 minutes left in the half so the replay has to come from the booth.I too thought that Madden and Michaels missed DJax nicking the pylon with one foot and should have at least mentioned it.If it was controversial, Seattle would've challenged. I'm guessing those guys have a pretty good understanding of the rule book.EDIT: Unless it was under 2 min, in which case the guy in the booth would've asked for a replay.
cracKer
Shawn Culcasi
The pylon cannot be inbounds. They would not place this in the field of play. Whether a player "touches" the pylon doesn't really matter either, unless he's touching it with the ball (which would indicate the ball crossing the goalline).
Touching a pylon with your foot does not make that foot inbounds, it just shows where your foot was at that moment in relation to the goalline.
Don't overthink this, Jackson didn't get two feet in.
Touching a pylon with your foot does not make that foot inbounds, it just shows where your foot was at that moment in relation to the goalline.
Don't overthink this, Jackson didn't get two feet in.
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