Discount Thursday night players ? (1 Viewer)

[Sarnoff]

Hell Vick got 17 points in my league. Not great but it will work.

Oh come on. You can't be happy with a 17pt performance from Vick. You didn't draft him to barely crack 200 yards, one TD and 3 turnovers. 17 points is how much Tavaris Jackson has in garbage time against Jacksonville, on just nine plays. Vick was terrible on Thursday, just admit it.

 

[shadyridr]

ColinK on TNF this week. How much do we discount crap?

 

[msudaisy26]

Hell Vick got 17 points in my league. Not great but it will work.

Oh come on. You can't be happy with a 17pt performance from Vick. You didn't draft him to barely crack 200 yards, one TD and 3 turnovers. 17 points is how much Tavaris Jackson has in garbage time against Jacksonville, on just nine plays. Vick was terrible on Thursday, just admit it.

17 points was also more than Kaepernick, Eli, Rodgers, Luck, Cutler, Rivers, Bradford, Schuab, and Palmer. The first 4 were drafted before Vick and the rest were drafted right around Vick, and they all played Sunday. Bad games happen

 

[Sarnoff]

CBS trying to bring stats into the discussion:

On Thursdays in 2012 only six quarterbacks had 20-plus Fantasy points, 23 running backs had 10-plus points (11 had 15-plus points), 24 receivers had 10-plus Fantasy points (just seven had 15-plus points) and four tight ends had 10-plus Fantasy points. When you consider these numbers came over 16 games, they're disappointing across the board, save for the running backs.

This makes sense. On a short week it's probably harder for non-cornerback defenders to recover from the clang-and-bang they took on just four days prior. Offensive linemen probably have similar troubles, but running backs don't. There's maybe one practice, two walk-thrus and plenty of time for a running back to heal up. They're fresher. Additionally, the playbook knowledge a running back has to have is inherently smaller than quarterbacks, receivers and tight ends. Their assignments aren't as complicated. Pretty much every stud running back from 2012 shined in their Thursday game, especially those who played late in the year. Of the 22 rushers who produced 10 or more Fantasy points in 2012, 14 came in the final seven weeks of the Thursday slate (nine games).

Already this season three of the four starting running backs that have played on a short week's rest have posted at least 12 Fantasy points. To be fair, two of them were Jamaal Charles and LeSean McCoy. But Bilal Powell's 12-point game is nothing to sneeze at. Capable running backs deserve automatic Fantasy consideration on Thursdays.

The other positions just haven't measured up. Quarterbacks have to intimately learn the tendencies of their opponents. Receivers have to size up the defensive backs. Tight ends, who also probably take on more punishment physically than other players, also have to get to know opposing linebackers and safeties. These guys are all professionals but it's a tall order to have an in-depth knowledge of an opponent with less than 100 hours of prep time to work with.

 

[prgromek]

Colin K is locked in as a QB1 this week

 

[bushdocda]

I am expecting a craptacular night from Cook.

 

[VikingFrog]

Will Greg the Leg be hampered by the Thursday night curse?

 

[lod01]

He's hampered by dropped passes.

 

[weebs]

I'm predicting 4 50+ fgs for legatron tomorrow, mark it down

 

[Vector]

Nothing special from anybody.

 

[DoubleG]

Nothing special from anybody.

Frank Gore and Anquan Boldin say

...and the two teams combined for 46 points Thursday, as compared to 14 when they played on Sunday last week. But feel free to keep trotting out half baked concepts based on bad teams and isolated incidents. In fact, the 49ers had scored a total of 44 points in the 3 games prior, so the 35 was an outburst - and one they hadn't come near in 2 of 3 Sundays.

 

[atcdav]

Hell Vick got 17 points in my league. Not great but it will work.

Oh come on. You can't be happy with a 17pt performance from Vick. You didn't draft him to barely crack 200 yards, one TD and 3 turnovers. 17 points is how much Tavaris Jackson has in garbage time against Jacksonville, on just nine plays. Vick was terrible on Thursday, just admit it.

Sarnoff, Vick was a late round pick. Of course he was drafted for this and the 30pt games. he was a sleeper pick preseason

 

[atcdav]

I'm predicting 4 50+ fgs for legatron tomorrow, mark it down

Ooops! close though

 

[msudaisy26]

Nothing special from anybody.

Frank Gore and Anquan Boldin say

...and the two teams combined for 46 points Thursday, as compared to 14 when they played on Sunday last week. But feel free to keep trotting out half baked concepts based on bad teams and isolated incidents. In fact, the 49ers had scored a total of 44 points in the 3 games prior, so the 35 was an outburst - and one they hadn't come near in 2 of 3 Sundays.

You can't be serious, they are on prime time and everyone wants to show up for prime time. Anything short of what Tony Romo, Doug Martin, Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson did on their Thursday night games last year just proves that Thursday is the suck and the curse is alive and well.

 

[DoubleG]

Nothing special from anybody.

Frank Gore and Anquan Boldin say

...and the two teams combined for 46 points Thursday, as compared to 14 when they played on Sunday last week. But feel free to keep trotting out half baked concepts based on bad teams and isolated incidents. In fact, the 49ers had scored a total of 44 points in the 3 games prior, so the 35 was an outburst - and one they hadn't come near in 2 of 3 Sundays.

You can't be serious, they are on prime time and everyone wants to show up for prime time. Anything short of what Tony Romo, Doug Martin, Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson did on their Thursday night games last year just proves that Thursday is the suck and the curse is alive and well.

As soon as I figure out what point you are actually trying to make and how, I am sure I will come up with a crushing reply.

 

[msudaisy26]

Nothing special from anybody.

Frank Gore and Anquan Boldin say

...and the two teams combined for 46 points Thursday, as compared to 14 when they played on Sunday last week. But feel free to keep trotting out half baked concepts based on bad teams and isolated incidents. In fact, the 49ers had scored a total of 44 points in the 3 games prior, so the 35 was an outburst - and one they hadn't come near in 2 of 3 Sundays.

You can't be serious, they are on prime time and everyone wants to show up for prime time. Anything short of what Tony Romo, Doug Martin, Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson did on their Thursday night games last year just proves that Thursday is the suck and the curse is alive and well.

As soon as I figure out what point you are actually trying to make and how, I am sure I will come up with a crushing reply.

I am sorry I was being sarcastic. I agree with you.

 

[DoubleG]

Nothing special from anybody.

Frank Gore and Anquan Boldin say

...and the two teams combined for 46 points Thursday, as compared to 14 when they played on Sunday last week. But feel free to keep trotting out half baked concepts based on bad teams and isolated incidents. In fact, the 49ers had scored a total of 44 points in the 3 games prior, so the 35 was an outburst - and one they hadn't come near in 2 of 3 Sundays.

You can't be serious, they are on prime time and everyone wants to show up for prime time. Anything short of what Tony Romo, Doug Martin, Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson did on their Thursday night games last year just proves that Thursday is the suck and the curse is alive and well.

As soon as I figure out what point you are actually trying to make and how, I am sure I will come up with a crushing reply.

I am sorry I was being sarcastic. I agree with you.

Sorry - sometimes my sarcasm meter gets messed up - especially on the interwebs.

 

[msudaisy26]

Nothing special from anybody.

Frank Gore and Anquan Boldin say

...and the two teams combined for 46 points Thursday, as compared to 14 when they played on Sunday last week. But feel free to keep trotting out half baked concepts based on bad teams and isolated incidents. In fact, the 49ers had scored a total of 44 points in the 3 games prior, so the 35 was an outburst - and one they hadn't come near in 2 of 3 Sundays.

You can't be serious, they are on prime time and everyone wants to show up for prime time. Anything short of what Tony Romo, Doug Martin, Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson did on their Thursday night games last year just proves that Thursday is the suck and the curse is alive and well.

As soon as I figure out what point you are actually trying to make and how, I am sure I will come up with a crushing reply.

I am sorry I was being sarcastic. I agree with you.

Sorry - sometimes my sarcasm meter gets messed up - especially on the interwebs.

My point that I poorly tried to get across was that unless the players are putting up the monster days that Martin and the others I mentioned did last year on Thursday night games, then they obviously suck and it is a Thursday night curse.

 

[Vector]

Since Nicks is playing tonight (Thurs) I am benching him and starting TY Hilton in his place.

Feel I should post this for full disclosure.

 

[Run It Up]

Starting Nicks in all leagues, despite having the opinion to always avoid Thursday.

 

[IC FBGCav]

I haven't specifically gone back and checked player by player, but I do know that last year Thursday games were for the most part stinkers and fantasy numbers were, generally, across the board lower.

This is most likely due to the compressed preparation schedule these teams had in game planning which resulted in incomplete strategies.

Going into this year, are you going to discount your players that play in the Thursday night games or hope that last year, and prior years, poor performances were an anomaly?

I think if I have a player that plays on Thursday night he will be benched if I have a marginally equivalent backup that I would normally have as a reserve.

Any thoughts on this ?

I noticed the same thing and I generally agree, the later in the season I think the shorter rest matters more. Seems like kickers and D's are better but the match up matters too.

 

[Sarnoff]

CBS trying to bring stats into the discussion:

On Thursdays in 2012 only six quarterbacks had 20-plus Fantasy points, 23 running backs had 10-plus points (11 had 15-plus points), 24 receivers had 10-plus Fantasy points (just seven had 15-plus points) and four tight ends had 10-plus Fantasy points. When you consider these numbers came over 16 games, they're disappointing across the board, save for the running backs.

This makes sense. On a short week it's probably harder for non-cornerback defenders to recover from the clang-and-bang they took on just four days prior. Offensive linemen probably have similar troubles, but running backs don't. There's maybe one practice, two walk-thrus and plenty of time for a running back to heal up. They're fresher. Additionally, the playbook knowledge a running back has to have is inherently smaller than quarterbacks, receivers and tight ends. Their assignments aren't as complicated. Pretty much every stud running back from 2012 shined in their Thursday game, especially those who played late in the year. Of the 22 rushers who produced 10 or more Fantasy points in 2012, 14 came in the final seven weeks of the Thursday slate (nine games).

Already this season three of the four starting running backs that have played on a short week's rest have posted at least 12 Fantasy points. To be fair, two of them were Jamaal Charles and LeSean McCoy. But Bilal Powell's 12-point game is nothing to sneeze at. Capable running backs deserve automatic Fantasy consideration on Thursdays.

The other positions just haven't measured up. Quarterbacks have to intimately learn the tendencies of their opponents. Receivers have to size up the defensive backs. Tight ends, who also probably take on more punishment physically than other players, also have to get to know opposing linebackers and safeties. These guys are all professionals but it's a tall order to have an in-depth knowledge of an opponent with less than 100 hours of prep time to work with.

Yup, running backs looking good, QB's looking like crap.

 

[Ray_T]

I find it is usually the defense that holds the advantage in a short week.

Offense relies on practice and execution. This takes time to develop via a game plan and a few plays specifically for the defense and lots of practice.

a Defense plays its game. they rely on practice too, but not to the extent an offense does. Defense is more read and react. So a short week gives advantage to the defense.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I don't care what the damn player specific stats say - typically some or many players just aren't ready by Thursday. There was an old stat somewhere about teams playing the week after a Monday night football game having a lower win percentage, and if that's true then having another 1-2 few days to rest or prepare makes an even bigger difference except in the TNF situation it affects both teams.

Just wait, the NFL is adding more TNF games, yeay.

 

[need2know]

There is no doubt tnf decreases stats. Sometimes by quite a bit. I try to avoid playing guys that play on thursdays but when your best players are starting you are left with no choice. It sucks

 

[Sarnoff]

Even Peyton isn't immune to short-rest Thursday games.

RBs tend to do well, QBs don't. Matthews outscored Manning.

 

[spodog]

Interesting analysis here on whether the TNF players are at an advantage on the following Sunday due to an extra long week to rest up and practice:

http://www.advancednflstats.com/2013/10/rest-vs-rust-after-thursday-night.html

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

CBS trying to bring stats into the discussion:

On Thursdays in 2012 only six quarterbacks had 20-plus Fantasy points, 23 running backs had 10-plus points (11 had 15-plus points), 24 receivers had 10-plus Fantasy points (just seven had 15-plus points) and four tight ends had 10-plus Fantasy points. When you consider these numbers came over 16 games, they're disappointing across the board, save for the running backs.

This makes sense. On a short week it's probably harder for non-cornerback defenders to recover from the clang-and-bang they took on just four days prior. Offensive linemen probably have similar troubles, but running backs don't. There's maybe one practice, two walk-thrus and plenty of time for a running back to heal up. They're fresher. Additionally, the playbook knowledge a running back has to have is inherently smaller than quarterbacks, receivers and tight ends. Their assignments aren't as complicated. Pretty much every stud running back from 2012 shined in their Thursday game, especially those who played late in the year. Of the 22 rushers who produced 10 or more Fantasy points in 2012, 14 came in the final seven weeks of the Thursday slate (nine games).

Already this season three of the four starting running backs that have played on a short week's rest have posted at least 12 Fantasy points. To be fair, two of them were Jamaal Charles and LeSean McCoy. But Bilal Powell's 12-point game is nothing to sneeze at. Capable running backs deserve automatic Fantasy consideration on Thursdays.

The other positions just haven't measured up. Quarterbacks have to intimately learn the tendencies of their opponents. Receivers have to size up the defensive backs. Tight ends, who also probably take on more punishment physically than other players, also have to get to know opposing linebackers and safeties. These guys are all professionals but it's a tall order to have an in-depth knowledge of an opponent with less than 100 hours of prep time to work with.

Yup, running backs looking good, QB's looking like crap.

I dont think Rivers looked like crap, he played lights out actually

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Next year, I'm going to look at the players who have playoff schedules that include Thursday Night Football and avoid them like the plague. I don't need this kind of aggravation. Sunday was a point scoring frenzy across the league and Thursday Night Football underwhelmed as usual.

As soon as the schedule comes out, I'm updating my "do not draft" list. Or at least, if I do end up drafting those players who play on TNF, I'm going in with them as mid season sell-sell-sell. Four players on TNF this year, could have been worse. Could have been six. I'm looking at TNF as my fatal flaw this year. Should have dealt all Broncos and Chargers when I had the chance.

 

[Sarnoff]

Next year, I'm going to look at the players who have playoff schedules that include Thursday Night Football and avoid them like the plague. I don't need this kind of aggravation. Sunday was a point scoring frenzy across the league and Thursday Night Football underwhelmed as usual.

As soon as the schedule comes out, I'm updating my "do not draft" list. Or at least, if I do end up drafting those players who play on TNF, I'm going in with them as mid season sell-sell-sell. Four players on TNF this year, could have been worse. Could have been six. I'm looking at TNF as my fatal flaw this year. Should have dealt all Broncos and Chargers when I had the chance.

Doesn't almost every team have 1 TNF game?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Glad there's no TNF game this week.