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Yikes definitely recommend sitting on end or leaving/start walking with a minute or two left

  bus situation isn't good after the show 

ETA I guess it wasnt awful.. show ends at 730 home at 8:15 seemed worse than it was.  Just sitting on the way left of the arena was a bad idea, but they forced that with FP

 
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How early did you get there for jedintraining?  Any tips?
got there i think 810.. gates opened at 830. (real park open was 9) Got a little hung up with the kids fingers not registering that costs us probably 15 spots.

We were middle/back of pack.  Had option of 12:40 or 2:40 (many others available still) and choose the 2:40 due to Indiana Jones at 1:15.

Someone I thought in here metioned that you could go through a shop on the left early but that wasnt a possibility.

If you want gimmie a call sometime I can run some things down for you as far as other tips if the kids like star wars.

 
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Well it's been quite a week, so we're going to California this weekend.

DCA has a new "Festival Of Holidays" this year that seems to be an Epcot-lite approach to the season: small music and stage performances from around the world, and a series of pop-up food & drink booths representing different cuisines from around the world.  

Given the dearth of quality food options at DLR relative to the outstanding food scene across the WDW grounds, I welcome this and look forward to sampling these world cuisine offerings.  

And by this weekend, both parks will be in full Christmas mode.  The big Christmas tree is up at Disneyland, the Christmas Fantasy Parade is running, the Haunted Mansion Holiday Nightmare Before Christmas skin stays on Haunted Mansion through the end of the year, It's A Small World gets a Christmas skin and mashes up "Jingle Bells" with "It's A Small World" on the ride, World Of Color debuts a new holiday show, big ol' 5-ounce candy canes handmade on the premises... I like smiling.  Smiling's my favorite.

 
Have fun Bruce. Sounds awesome. Report back if you're able to score one of those candy canes. 
Thanks.  The candy canes thing looks a bit more competitive than I suspected.  DLR Prep School says they are making 120 per day, the line to get them forms before the park opens, and you get a wristband with your time to come to the candy store and get your candy cane.  Damn.  That may be out of my league.  (But now that I have DPMP Training Week open, I might be back later this season.)  

We usually just shuttle from SNA to the hotel and back, and walk to the parks.  There's a really nice Residence Inn that just opened on Katella, right next to the Anaheim Convention Center and across the street from Cars Land.  It's about a half-mile walk to the front gates.  A bit longer walk than the Disney-owned hotels or this thread's beloved Park Vue Inn, but having a little extra space to stretch out after the park day is nice.   
We're gonna rent a car this time and do two days at the parks and one day at the beach.  Thanks to the good folks at Costco Travel, got a car that even with the parking fees at Residence Inn won't be much more expensive than cab/shuttle to and from SNA.    

 
Might be the kind of odd news that only interests @Bruce Dickinson And a few others, but the "super hero headquarters" at Disney springs now has a giant Marvel logo attached to its name sign out front. So disney must be ready to tell universal to pound sand. 

 
Not sure if anyone listens to the WDW Radio Podcast. But I got a chance to meet Lou Mongello (the host) last night at one of his events in NYC. As expected, a really, really nice guy (almost strangely too much). Did not get a chance to talk to him too much b/c the event time was limited and there was a fair amount of people there.

We did have a fun moment. He sells some of stuff on ebay once and while and one thing he was selling was his copy of an old Birnbaum's Disney Travel Guide (2002) that I actually designed (i was the Art Director for those books back in the day). So when i noticed he was selling it, I told him I would buy it if he autographed it for me. Needless to say, I brought it with me last night and reminded him of the story and he was pretty cool about it.

We chated a bit more but he had to work the room. He really is a short dude though. lol. Dude has defiantly built himself a nice living talking about Disney.
Mongello seems like a cool dude but I can definitely see how he could give off a creepy vibe.  I really like the podcast but I've avoided it for a while since we haven't been.  I do crazy stuff like plan 5 trips in a year when I listen to often.

 
Had to reschedule the March trip Beach Club, now staying in AKL-Kidani in January.

Kind of bummed, but oh well.  At least I was able to get an O'hana reservation.

 
got there i think 810.. gates opened at 830. (real park open was 9) Got a little hung up with the kids fingers not registering that costs us probably 15 spots.

We were middle/back of pack.  Had option of 12:40 or 2:40 (many others available still) and choose the 2:40 due to Indiana Jones at 1:15.

Someone I thought in here metioned that you could go through a shop on the left early but that wasnt a possibility.

If you want gimmie a call sometime I can run some things down for you as far as other tips if the kids like star wars.
yeah i was talking to someone last night who went recently and said if you had the breakfast reservations you could get in the line earlier, but if not; they still let you in before the park opened to reserve the jedi in training tickets...then as soon as 9:00 hit; they hauled ### to Toy Story Mania and rode that once w/o the FP

 
We were not done signing up until 930ish.  we tried to see the great movie was told it was 5 minutes but turned out to be 15 or more.   we had to leave so we didn't miss our fp for star tours.  

Which if star tours was another 5 minutes I probably would have hurled

 
Corndogs consumed: 1

Didnt know it was a race weekend out here.  There's a "Super Heroes Marathon" in the parks tomorrow that apparently is Marvel-themed.

When we checked into the hotel, the clerk told me "if you're running tomorrow, we're doing a special race light breakfast menu, opening at 3:00 am if you want to eat way before the race."  And I'm all, "Great!  If I have an upset stomach overnight from all the corndogs I'm gonna ram down my cake hole, I'll come down and have a banana with the racers." 

 
Got back to the hotel to see a big sign in the lobby that there is an emergency shutoff of the shower water, and there will be no running water in the showers until 6:00 am.

Sorry, marathoners.

Didn't get to the park until late afternoon, but were still able to score late-night FPs to Haunted Mansion Holiday and Big Thunder.  On our Haunted Mansion ride, the attraction stalled right when we were centered on the ballroom and got to watch it for a few minutes until the ride fired up again.  That was a good break.

The 14-year-old is on a winning streak against me in the Buzz Lightyear shootout.  Any tips or suggestions are welcome.

It's A Small World has its Xmas overlay and it's great.  And inside, I counted at least 30 "hidden" Disney characters among the puppets.  Definitely a better version than Orlando's.

Beach day tomorrrow.  

Full park day Monday.

 
New ticket option introduced

The 4-Park Magic Ticket is the best way to experience Walt Disney World theme parks, with one admission to each of the 4 theme parks for 4 days. Tickets may not be used to enter the same park more than once, and must be used within 14 days of first use or by May 26, 2017. Blockout dates apply.*
The ticket works out to $279 before tax.

so its 1 day in each park, but you can't hop? I'm not sure its worth it. Huge blackhole with Studios right now, I don't know how people can spend a full day there right now. Looks to me like a ploy to keep people going there and staying there. Plus, with MK so big, most people really need at least 1 1/2 to 2 days there.

 
Did an open-to-close at Disneyland and DCA on Monday.  

Past the gates at DCA for public rope drop.  There was an Early Magic Hour for DLR hotel guests.  We stay off-property at DLR - too many nice hotels within walking distance at a lower cost.  Anyway, the park opened at 10:00 after giving hotel guests a head start. 

My first priority was FastPass seating for World Of Color.  (At Disneyland, they still do paper FastPasses.  Over at DCA, World Of Color and the Frozen musical have tickets distributed via FastPass, but don't lock you out of future FPs.)  When the park opens, the Grizzly River Run FP kiosks distribute the World Of Color FP tickets until they run out, and then Grizzly River Run FPs become available.  At the WOC FP distribution, there are "Blue" section tickets which have a slightly more centered view of the show but are farther away, and "Yellow" section tickets that are off to the side a bit but have a few spectacular views if you're willing to get wet.  We wanted the front row of the Yellow zone.  But the Blue FPs are distributed first.  So, I stopped off at Soarin on my mosey to the World Of Color kiosks and picked up Soarin FPs.  By the time I got to the WOC FP kiosks, they were spitting out Yellows.  This is why rookie QBs don't win Super Bowls, people.

As I headed over to Cars Land to catch up with my wife and daughter, Pluto walked out to his meeting spot on the corner between Soarin and the woodsy area.  The timing was impeccable - I didn't even break stride walking up to greet him.  I got in before a line formed, even before the PhotoPass photographer was ready.  Grabbed a couple selfies with Pluto and walked on.

The girls were boarding Mater's Junkyard Jamboree as I walked up to the ride.  Highly recommend this ride even though I sat it out today.  The vocal stylings of Larry The Cable Guy will make you envious of Marlee Matlin, but the ride itself whips your around a lot more than it looks like.  And the line usually isn't too bad.  

DCA really stepped their game up with the Christmas decorations.  Radiator Springs Winter has Christmas decorations you would expect cars to build: wreaths made from tires, snowflakes made from tools, garland made from filters, and Christmas carols like "Hark!  The Diesel Engines Sing!".  And new this year is the Festival Of Holidays: food booths from around the world (imagine the setup of the pop-ups at Epcot Food & Wine, only not as good and costing almost twice as much), holiday music from around the world (from the shticky Almost Kosher to an awesome mariachi act and a toy soldier drumline that is just classic Disney), and a new Christmas-themed World Of Color show.

Anyway... we slept in and missed breakfast at the hotel so we had breakfast at Ghiradelli.  #### yeah.  Life is short.  Eat dessert first.  Always a highlight. 

After catching the toy soldiers drumline, our Soarin' FPs were live, so we cashed those.  Then a few food booths, Radiator Springs Racers FPs for later, Ariel's Undersea Adventure (amuses me that this is always a walk-on at DCA and a circus at MK), California Screamin', then a leisurely stroll across the plaza to Disneyland.
 

Applying to the DPMP got me to think a lot about the differences between DLR and WDW.  One of the biggest differences inside the parks is the vibe of the crowd.  DLR is mostly locals.  They go every year, every month, maybe every week.  There isn't the intensity to rush around and see everything, because there's always going to be another day.  So you don't have the barrage of big groups with scooters and strollers barreling through like the world is ending when the park closes.  


We hit just about everything we wanted to ride on Saturday, so our sole purpose at Disneyland was to see the Christmas parade, enjoy some southern California weather, enjoy each other, and scarf down some Mickey-shaped beignets.  The girls staked out some parade space and got drinks while I went over to the Mint Julep bar and got a half-and-half 6-pack, three original and three candy cane flavored.  Parade started a little late, but it was all good because we had seats in the shade and it was 78 degrees and sliding down.  

After the parade, it was back over to DCA for Radiator Springs Racers.  I LOVE this ride at night.  The dark ride is a complete experience, and then it's a high-speed ride with the top down in such an artfully-made track.  

At peak season, you usually have to get over to World Of Color about an hour before the official lineup time to get a good seat.  DCA discourages this by setting up the pen as late as possible and being as evasive as possible fielding questions.  But on a Monday night after Halloween and before Thanksgiving, you can wander up at 7:15 for a 7:45 seating for an 8:15 show and be first in line.  

When the cast releases the hounds for WOC seating... well, this is the only time you experience Disney prison rules in the crowd.  One group right behind us let two people under the rope and join them right before seating, and that's bull####.  So when the rope dropped and they tried to bumrush the show, I backheeled a front stroller wheel and forced the whole group to break stride and get passed by a few people.  It was a #### move, but it was also a veteran move.  The kid was under instructions to go forward no matter what, and she claimed a perfect stretch of fence with an unobstructed view of World Of Color.

WOC switched to a new holiday show.  It was pretty good.  Got a little cheeky by playing "Baby It's Cold Outside" and showing clips of classic Disney couples seeming to lip sync it.  (They played a remix that changed the lyrics to "maybe just a soda pop more" and "hey, was that a wink?" and made the song about 5% less rapey)  But the real star of the show for the folks upfront was a hose that got loose and went rogue.  It was splashing and slapping around like a Disney cartoon about a hose that didn't want to conform with the rest of the group.  It got a bit in the way of the audio, but didn't ruin any of the visual.  Oh it was so fun.  And it kept splashing around after the show ended - we saw a cast member in headset trying to identify the hose's location, a cast member not dressed in an outfit designed for a lot of guest interaction.  

So it wasn't our greatest Disney day, or most action-packed, or most magical.  But it was still special.  With the kid starting high school next fall I doubt we will be able to do as much family travel deliberately missing school days.  And with each day I can feel her pushing farther away from me and establishing her independence.  So I'm trying to get in as much stuff like this as possible before she can transport herself around and not need me to chaperone her to concerts and such.  I'll miss her.

 
As I headed over to Cars Land to catch up with my wife and daughter, Pluto walked out to his meeting spot on the corner between Soarin and the woodsy area.  The timing was impeccable - I didn't even break stride walking up to greet him.  I got in before a line formed, even before the PhotoPass photographer was ready.  Grabbed a couple selfies with Pluto and walked on.





 
Man, that's just beautiful right there.

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I know a few people plan on grocery delivery and other items delivered to your resort. 

The resorts just tacked on a $5 fee for mail/package handling. Grrrrr

It seems this only applied to shipped type items, like Amazon, Prime Pantry, etc. and NOT for local delivery services like Garden Grocer and Stroller or EVC rentals. 

I used Amazon Prime Pantry on my last trip, it was OK, it was delayed by a day. But I guess score one back for the little guys like Graden Grocer on this one. 

 
Starbright Holidays Drone Show at Disney Springs

I think the shapes need a little work and I'm sure it is really dependant on where you view it from, but overall pretty amazing stuff, considering we are right at the beginning of what it can be used for.

More info on the show and the drones
That drone show looks pretty awesome.  Saw where it said there are 3 shows a night.  That works good for us.  We're going to stay at Disney Springs the day we arrive and go ahead and knock that out.  Its a 12 hour drive and we get to town around 3-4 pm.  We usually check in,unwind and grab some early food and drink and make it back to our hotel where you can see multiple firework shows.

Moana at the Polly will be nice too...we'll be there for 7 days!  My kids (and myself) are always suckers for these new movies.

Thanks for all the info...I don't think I'd know about either of these things if it weren't for you. 

 
That drone show looks pretty awesome.  Saw where it said there are 3 shows a night.  That works good for us.  We're going to stay at Disney Springs the day we arrive and go ahead and knock that out.  Its a 12 hour drive and we get to town around 3-4 pm.  We usually check in,unwind and grab some early food and drink and make it back to our hotel where you can see multiple firework shows.

Moana at the Polly will be nice too...we'll be there for 7 days!  My kids (and myself) are always suckers for these new movies.

Thanks for all the info...I don't think I'd know about either of these things if it weren't for you. 
no worries GB! Glad to add some value to this world...lol

Moana aint all that bad looking...if you are into the Polynesian look. 

I did think of you jb when I was reading last night b/c i found that they were having a movie screening at the polly for the release, but it was sold out by the time I found it. I know you are doing the polly on this trip, but its in early december, right? 

 
I think our dates are Dec 11-18th.  

I believe the new Star Wars comes out while were there....Think they'll do anything big for that?  

 
Finally got everything booked for our trip in May (12th - 20th). My family and I (wife, boy - 7, girl - 6) will be there a few days before my MIL, FIL, and SIL show up.

Can you guys help me out on what we need to do in each park dining wise? Both of my children are fairly finicky eaters but everybody else should be game for just about anything. We did the 1FS, 1QS, 1 Snack dining plan and I know that we want to do some character dining for the kids (girl loves princesses, boy loves Star Wars). There are just sooooooo many options to look through that I don't even know where to start so even just crossing some things off the list that you guys know are bad would be helpful.

Many thanks to @glvsav37 for the recommendation on people to use for booking. We went the Dreams Travel Unlimited and things have gone very smoothly so far.

 
@skinrod876 glad to hear you had a good experience with your travel agent.  I'll try to post some in-park food recs late tonight.  

And good call on the May 12-20 window.  Weather shouldn't be super hot yet and a lot of schools, especially in the southeast, will still be in session.

 
Finally got everything booked for our trip in May (12th - 20th). My family and I (wife, boy - 7, girl - 6) will be there a few days before my MIL, FIL, and SIL show up.

Can you guys help me out on what we need to do in each park dining wise? Both of my children are fairly finicky eaters but everybody else should be game for just about anything. We did the 1FS, 1QS, 1 Snack dining plan and I know that we want to do some character dining for the kids (girl loves princesses, boy loves Star Wars). There are just sooooooo many options to look through that I don't even know where to start so even just crossing some things off the list that you guys know are bad would be helpful.

Many thanks to @glvsav37 for the recommendation on people to use for booking. We went the Dreams Travel Unlimited and things have gone very smoothly so far.
Ok, here are a few and I know Bruce and glvsav will be more than happy to add

For your daughter: Cinderellas Castle (2 meals). Very nice. Its in the castle. You get a picture with Cinderella, BUT, it does cost two sit down meals. In my opinion, you get more bang for your buck at the Grand Floridian Cinderella buffet called Happily Ever after at 1900 park faire

At Epcot they have Princess Storybook Dining at Akershus in Norway. Not great for finicky eaters BUT, Disney always has the standard kids food that will make anyone happy

For everyone: 1)Chef Mickeys at The Contemporary is a fun buffet where you get the characters to come to your table so you may not have to wait on lines to see them. 2) Crystal Palace in MK is a buffet with Winnie, Tigger, Piglet and Eyeore. 3) Minnies Seasonal Dinner Party at Hollywood Studios (same as 1)

I would suggest hitting the breakfast at Tusker House in Animal Kingdom. One of the best spreads and the juice is awesome. 

Nothing too specific for your son until Star Wars land opens up

Non character dining that are favorites here: 1) Ohana- in polynesean (search yankee and ohana in this thread for a review) It is very much like a churrasciaria where they carry around chicken, shrimp and steak. They also have pot stickers and wings. It is all you can eat 2) Cape May- in beachclub area- another buffet but it seafood oriented. Very good with crab legs. 3) Lecelier- In Epcot. It is a steakhouse that is 2 meals. Very good though

Epcot has a ton of places to eat. Many here will recommend the Italian place and Mexican place.

Also, you can use the Dining plan at Disney Springs (formerly Downtown Disney) so places like T Rex for your SON might be really fun if he likes Dinosaurs. 

 
The good news on in-park dining with finicky kids is almost every place will have kids' food no matter what.  Every place will have chicken tenders, or hamburgers, or mac and cheese, or pizza.  

MK: big fan of the breakfast at Crystal Palace.  It's a buffet so there will be something for everybody, little cheaper than lunch/dinner, fun characters. 
Be Our Guest is OK food, really fun atmosphere.  I like the darker room to the left.
IMO the underrated eating spot at MK is Plaza Inn.  It's a small house, no characters, no real theme.  But because of the small size, the food is fresh and consistent.  Good sandwiches and burgers, outstanding shakes and desserts.  If you have a few introverts in your group, this would be a great place for those folks to recharge.
OH #### I forgot about eating inside Cinderella's Castle.  It's a screwjob on the Dining Plan so you might want to consider paying out-of-pocket for it.  But if meeting the Princesses is important to the girls and women in your life, this is the place to do it.
  
For something a little quicker... Cosmic Ray's in Tomorrowland.  Burgers, tenders, sandwiches.  The ordering stations look like they offer different things, but you canget the full menu at any register.
Pecos Bill recently redid a lot of their menu.  Haven't been there since the change.  I'll let another WDW expert with close personal ties to Pecos Bill speak on that place.  

AK: Tusker House breakfast buffet is great, get to meet classic characters, and Jungle Juice for all within the sound of my voice.  
Flametree BBQ place recently reopened after redoing the seating area.  I'm not a fan, but I live in eastern Kansas with regular access to some of the best BBQ in the country.  So I'm spoiled on BBQ.
Yak & Yeti sitdown IMO has dropped in quality over time, but the quick service counter is still pretty good.  Operated by Landry's, so not technically a Disney restaurant.

Over on the AK side of the WDW grounds, my hidden gem is Sana'a at Animal Kingdom Lodge.  Nice spot for a late lunch with a view of the big animals roaming the courtyards of AKL.  The Na'an Bread Service is my favorite appetizer in the entire resort.  Also a big fan of the Peri Peri Chicken.  Good smoothies, too.    

DHS: The only potential Star Wars dining will be if the Star Wars Launch Bay has expanded to add food and drink by May.  Not sure what the timetable is on that.  
For a family, my recommendation is the Sci-Fi Drive-In.  The atmosphere is like an old drive-in, with the tables inside the bodies of old convertibles and dim lights on the ceiling simulating a starry night.  Usually the screen runs old Sci-Fi movie trailers and clips, but they might be mixing in some Star Wars with that now.  
One of the best snack places in any of the parks is Starring Rolls Cafe.
I'm had really good meals at Brown Derby, but I don't think it's a good value on the Dining Plan, and the pace might be a bit slow for the little kids.

Epcot: well, there's a lot of outstanding food in the World Showcase.  Oh man.  On the quick service level, I like all the teriyaki dishes at the Japan QSR.  The casual Mexico place is really good.  Via Napoli has waiter service but is a little more informal than the high-end stuff at Epcot.  The pizzas are dynamite and the chicken parm is good and generously portioned.  Akershus in Germany has a princess breakfast of ordinary food but a steady stream of Princesses greeting you at your table.  I like Teppan Edo in Japan - it's one of those Japanese places where you sit at the grill and the chef cooks up the meats, veggies, rice, etc. right in front of you.  I don't know if the show is any better than the best Japanese place in your home city, but the last time I ate there on the dining plan filet mignon was included as a regular credit.      
If grandparents are coming and will take the kids one evening so the adults have a night out... Le Cellier in Canada.  Outstanding steaks and breads.  Don't overthink it.  Get the filet.  
My favorite dessert spot in Epcot is L'Artisan des Glaces in France.  The macarons are phenomenal, all the ice creams there will be delicious, and they have a specialty dessert where they scoop ice cream into a warm Brioche mini-loaf and press it all together.        
AVOID: Coral Reef.  Looks like fun with the giant aquarium.  But the food is a big disappointment especially with what else is available at Epcot.
UNDERRATED: Garden Grille.  Rotating indoor restaurant, all you can eat, wait staff just keeps bringing stuff to the table, characters come to table to greet you in overalls and other farmer garb.


The Resorts are a big part of what makes the dining scene at WDW so vibrant and a destination for foodies.  My favorite meal in all of WDW is dinner at Ohana at the Polynesian Resort.  All you can eat, brought to your table, bread, salad, noodles, wings, potstickers, sirloin, chicken thighs, SHRIMP, with a couple of very special dipping sauces.  There's also bread pudding, but I've never had it.  My wife and daughter say it's really good.  Most nights there's a really talented woman hosting the evening making announcements and directing traffic, also providing house music with ukulele melodies, operating a coconut-rolling race each hour for the kids, and passing out leis and inviting folks to dance.  If MK has their fireworks show while you're there, the house will pipe in the music from the show and you will be able to see the fireworks from the restaurant.     

I usually like it a little more laid-back, so I dig Whispering Canyon at Wilderness Lodge.  If you eat there, no matter what you order, ask for ketchup at some point during the meal.  Just trust me.

Best resort snack: beignets at Port Orleans French Quarter.  We like to grab a half-dozen beignets, then take the boat from French Quarter to Disney Springs.

If there's a game you need to catch... ESPN Zone at Boardwalk.  The on-site hotels will have local TV and all the Disney-owned cable channels including the ESPNs, but they won't have the FOX or Turner sports stations.  

The Grand Floridian is a little too stuffy for me, but it is a beautiful resort.  I'll let someone else review the restaurants there.  

Disney Springs (formerly Downtown Disney) has undergone a major rebranding and rebuilding since I was there last.  IIRC there are some outstanding Dining Plan deals to be had there, like Wolfgang Puck Express only counting as a QSR credit.  My info on that is a bit dated, and they have opened a bunch of new places in the last year.  

 
My favorite MK restaurant may be Liberty Tree Tavern now - last time we ate there I thought it was really good.  You don't get characters and the atmosphere overall is just meh but if you are looking for some better food I recommend it.

I've stayed away from this thread as much as possible as I know I'll break down and buy season passes.  As long as the 2016 bonus isn't the Jelly of the Month Club then I may make the purchase again this spring.

 
yea...what Bruce said..lol

I'm gonna go out on limb and say I'm the "Pecos Bills expert" (thanks Bruce)...yes PB's redid their menu and I have to say, i'm a big fan. Granted, its Tex-Mex and not for everyone, but as a former PB's Cast Member back in the burger, chicken and hot dog days, I can give it 2 6-shooters up for the improvement.
 

the highlight is the Fajita Platter. You get a good helping of Beef, chicken  beans and rice with a few warm tortilla's to slap it on and hold it all together.  Add your own extras from the toppings bar like shredded cheese (I will still never forgive them for removing the hot cheese). salsa, jalapeños, etc. 

I can't voucher for the rest, but they did look good—beef or chicken burrito, southwest salad, nachos and burgers with a texmex flare. 

down side is the kids stuff, its kinda limited here, just mini corn dogs or mac and cheese. tough on the picky eater scale. Of course there is the uncrustables, which you can get anywhere. 

Pro tip though for the dining plan: Kids can order off the adult menu. A QS credit is a QS credit. Even though your kids are on the kids plan, they don't make any distinctions on the actual ordering. So if the QS location is skimpy on kids meals, but they have a hamburger on the adult, you can get your kids the full sized adult meal. Likewise, if the kids don't eat a lot and you have a few of their credits left over, then you can feel free to load up on hot dogs at Casey Jrs. 

  

 
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My favorite MK restaurant may be Liberty Tree Tavern now - last time we ate there I thought it was really good.  You don't get characters and the atmosphere overall is just meh but if you are looking for some better food I recommend it.

I've stayed away from this thread as much as possible as I know I'll break down and buy season passes.  As long as the 2016 bonus isn't the Jelly of the Month Club then I may make the purchase again this spring.
First of all, any reference to the Jelly Of The Month Club will get an autoLike from me.

I pledged not to re-up on WDW Annual Passholder until Star Wars Land was done.  And here I am a DLR Annual Passholder.  So I'll be less helpful in your resistance than John Daly as an AA sponsor in the 1990s.

I've never eaten at Liberty Tree Tavern.  Always wanted to, but whatever meal I had marked for it usually got rerouted to Plaza Inn or a monorail resort by my trip planning co-chair.  

 
That post escalated quickly.  It got out of hand real fast.  I think Goofy threw a trident.
I've been there. Given a few "whole resort" restaurant reviews/overviews and I have the arthritis and broken keyboards to prove it  

Its funny how it starts off so innocent and as you go its like "Oh..i forgot that one...and oh, that one too" 

 
My favorite MK restaurant may be Liberty Tree Tavern now - last time we ate there I thought it was really good.  You don't get characters and the atmosphere overall is just meh but if you are looking for some better food I recommend it.

I've stayed away from this thread as much as possible as I know I'll break down and buy season passes.  As long as the 2016 bonus isn't the Jelly of the Month Club then I may make the purchase again this spring.
A strong second here for Liberty Tree Tavern.  We've enjoyed more than one meal here.  We haven't been back since the FP+ innovations, but our plan in the day was to always try and get a late evening reservation here, load up on good ol' home cookin' and step right out to catch the parade in the little less crowded side of the route.  They had a root vegetable medley the last time we were there that was outstanding, and this is coming from someone who doesn't usually go much beyond green beans, vegetably speaking.  

 
yea...what Bruce said..lol

I'm gonna go out on limb and say I'm the "Pecos Bills expert" (thanks Bruce)...yes PB's redid their menu and I have to say, i'm a big fan. Granted, its Tex-Mex and not for everyone, but as a former PB's Cast Member back in the burger, chicken and hot dog days, I can give it 2 6-shooters up for the improvement.
 

the highlight is the Fajita Platter. You get a good helping of Beef, chicken  beans and rice with a few warm tortilla's to slap it on and hold it all together.  Add your own extras from the toppings bar like shredded cheese (I will still never forgive them for removing the hot cheese). salsa, jalapeños, etc. 

I can't voucher for the rest, but they did look good—beef or chicken burrito, southwest salad, nachos and burgers with a texmex flare. 

down side is the kids stuff, its kinda limited here, just mini corn dogs or mac and cheese. tough on the picket eater scale. Of course there is the uncrustables, which you can get anywhere. 

Pro tip though for the dining plan: Kids can order off the adult menu. A QS credit is a QS credit. Eve though your kids are on the kids plan, they don't make any distinctions on the actual ordering. Likewise, if the kids don't eat a lot and you have a fuw of their edits left over, then you can feel free to load up on hot dogs at Casey Jrs. 

  
All very true.

 
Happy 88th Birthday to Mickey Mouse today. Steamboat Willy debuted Nov 18, 1928

other news: New Magic Band design has been released. The new design has a removable puck-like device which allows you to swap it out between other bands or keychains. It is a bit wider then the current version. Hopefully it will help with glitches for those of us with multiple MBs

 
The good news on in-park dining with finicky kids is almost every place will have kids' food no matter what.  Every place will have chicken tenders, or hamburgers, or mac and cheese, or pizza.  

MK: big fan of the breakfast at Crystal Palace.  It's a buffet so there will be something for everybody, little cheaper than lunch/dinner, fun characters. 
Be Our Guest is OK food, really fun atmosphere.  I like the darker room to the left.
IMO the underrated eating spot at MK is Plaza Inn.  It's a small house, no characters, no real theme.  But because of the small size, the food is fresh and consistent.  Good sandwiches and burgers, outstanding shakes and desserts.  If you have a few introverts in your group, this would be a great place for those folks to recharge.
OH #### I forgot about eating inside Cinderella's Castle.  It's a screwjob on the Dining Plan so you might want to consider paying out-of-pocket for it.  But if meeting the Princesses is important to the girls and women in your life, this is the place to do it.
  
For something a little quicker... Cosmic Ray's in Tomorrowland.  Burgers, tenders, sandwiches.  The ordering stations look like they offer different things, but you canget the full menu at any register.
Pecos Bill recently redid a lot of their menu.  Haven't been there since the change.  I'll let another WDW expert with close personal ties to Pecos Bill speak on that place.  

AK: Tusker House breakfast buffet is great, get to meet classic characters, and Jungle Juice for all within the sound of my voice.  
Flametree BBQ place recently reopened after redoing the seating area.  I'm not a fan, but I live in eastern Kansas with regular access to some of the best BBQ in the country.  So I'm spoiled on BBQ.
Yak & Yeti sitdown IMO has dropped in quality over time, but the quick service counter is still pretty good.  Operated by Landry's, so not technically a Disney restaurant.

Over on the AK side of the WDW grounds, my hidden gem is Sana'a at Animal Kingdom Lodge.  Nice spot for a late lunch with a view of the big animals roaming the courtyards of AKL.  The Na'an Bread Service is my favorite appetizer in the entire resort.  Also a big fan of the Peri Peri Chicken.  Good smoothies, too.    

DHS: The only potential Star Wars dining will be if the Star Wars Launch Bay has expanded to add food and drink by May.  Not sure what the timetable is on that.  
For a family, my recommendation is the Sci-Fi Drive-In.  The atmosphere is like an old drive-in, with the tables inside the bodies of old convertibles and dim lights on the ceiling simulating a starry night.  Usually the screen runs old Sci-Fi movie trailers and clips, but they might be mixing in some Star Wars with that now.  
One of the best snack places in any of the parks is Starring Rolls Cafe.
I'm had really good meals at Brown Derby, but I don't think it's a good value on the Dining Plan, and the pace might be a bit slow for the little kids.

Epcot: well, there's a lot of outstanding food in the World Showcase.  Oh man.  On the quick service level, I like all the teriyaki dishes at the Japan QSR.  The casual Mexico place is really good.  Via Napoli has waiter service but is a little more informal than the high-end stuff at Epcot.  The pizzas are dynamite and the chicken parm is good and generously portioned.  Akershus in Germany has a princess breakfast of ordinary food but a steady stream of Princesses greeting you at your table.  I like Teppan Edo in Japan - it's one of those Japanese places where you sit at the grill and the chef cooks up the meats, veggies, rice, etc. right in front of you.  I don't know if the show is any better than the best Japanese place in your home city, but the last time I ate there on the dining plan filet mignon was included as a regular credit.      
If grandparents are coming and will take the kids one evening so the adults have a night out... Le Cellier in Canada.  Outstanding steaks and breads.  Don't overthink it.  Get the filet.  
My favorite dessert spot in Epcot is L'Artisan des Glaces in France.  The macarons are phenomenal, all the ice creams there will be delicious, and they have a specialty dessert where they scoop ice cream into a warm Brioche mini-loaf and press it all together.        
AVOID: Coral Reef.  Looks like fun with the giant aquarium.  But the food is a big disappointment especially with what else is available at Epcot.
UNDERRATED: Garden Grille.  Rotating indoor restaurant, all you can eat, wait staff just keeps bringing stuff to the table, characters come to table to greet you in overalls and other farmer garb.


The Resorts are a big part of what makes the dining scene at WDW so vibrant and a destination for foodies.  My favorite meal in all of WDW is dinner at Ohana at the Polynesian Resort.  All you can eat, brought to your table, bread, salad, noodles, wings, potstickers, sirloin, chicken thighs, SHRIMP, with a couple of very special dipping sauces.  There's also bread pudding, but I've never had it.  My wife and daughter say it's really good.  Most nights there's a really talented woman hosting the evening making announcements and directing traffic, also providing house music with ukulele melodies, operating a coconut-rolling race each hour for the kids, and passing out leis and inviting folks to dance.  If MK has their fireworks show while you're there, the house will pipe in the music from the show and you will be able to see the fireworks from the restaurant.     

I usually like it a little more laid-back, so I dig Whispering Canyon at Wilderness Lodge.  If you eat there, no matter what you order, ask for ketchup at some point during the meal.  Just trust me.

Best resort snack: beignets at Port Orleans French Quarter.  We like to grab a half-dozen beignets, then take the boat from French Quarter to Disney Springs.

If there's a game you need to catch... ESPN Zone at Boardwalk.  The on-site hotels will have local TV and all the Disney-owned cable channels including the ESPNs, but they won't have the FOX or Turner sports stations.  

The Grand Floridian is a little too stuffy for me, but it is a beautiful resort.  I'll let someone else review the restaurants there.  

Disney Springs (formerly Downtown Disney) has undergone a major rebranding and rebuilding since I was there last.  IIRC there are some outstanding Dining Plan deals to be had there, like Wolfgang Puck Express only counting as a QSR credit.  My info on that is a bit dated, and they have opened a bunch of new places in the last year.  
Big thanks on this @Bruce Dickinson. Looks like Sci-Fi Diner will definitely be on our list. Luckily for us, we are staying at Port Orleans French Quarter so beignets will definitely be had as well.

Looks like we'll probably be going with Be Our Guest, Tusker House, Sci-Fi Diner, Ohana (if I can convince everybody) at the minimum.
 

 
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Big thanks on this @Bruce Dickinson. Looks like Sci-Fi Diner will definitely be on our list. Luckily for us, we are staying at Port Orleans French Quarter so beignets will definitely be had as well.

Looks like we'll probably be going with Be Our Guest, Tusker House, Sci-Fi Diner, Ohana (if I can convince everybody) at the minimum.
 
I've stayed at Port Orleans Riverside a few times.  Really like that setting.  Love walking the grounds at French Quarter but never stayed in the rooms there.

The beignets are at the quick-service restaurant off the main lobby at French Quarter.  If you do work Disney Springs into the plan (mostly shopping and eating, so might not be the favorite for the kids when there are Disney Parks right there) the boat ride there is really nice, and you don't have to deal with parking or the buses.  

The entire WDW grounds is about the same size as the city proper of San Francisco.  They've developed about one-third of it, pledged to leave one-third swampland for environmental purposes, and still have another third that could become stuff someday.

If you're driving in or renting a car... the drive to Epcot and DHS isn't too bad from Port Orleans and the parking lots are small.  Animal Kingdom is a bit of a hike, but when we have a car on the grounds we drive to it.  For Magic Kingdom, HIGHLY RECOMMEND the shuttle bus.  Driving to MK doesn't get you to MK - it gets you to the Ticketing and Transportation Center.  You're still a ferry boat or monorail ride away, plus a tram ride from your car to the TTC.  The process can take 45 minutes, up to an hour if the fun-but-imperfect monorail system goes down.  The shuttle buses drop you off right by the front gate, couple minutes of walking to the security check.

 
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good list @skinrod876...you still have a few credits left if I did my math right. 

I'm a big fan of character meals b/c of the ability to see them and eat so as to not spend park time doing it. 

I would strongly suggest Akershus (actually in Norway) for breakfast for your little girl. Lunch/dinner gets a little ethnic, but breakfast is pretty standard all you can eat scrambled eggs, mickey waffles and such delivered to the table, and a buffet of bagels, yogurt and other simple things. Its the best meal for the combo of "1 credit + all the princess (decided by) picky eaters." You'll get the same princesses as you would at the Castle, but its 2 credits and the food is good but you are really paying for the location (which is indeed cool, no doubt). Plus, even though its princesses, we get a good laugh from my son who has a kid-crush on most of them. Somehow, without even asking he always gets a big, fat, lipstick-leaving kiss from Cinderella there....I'm actually kinda jealous.  

There is nothing to convince your family about with Ohana....who wears the stretchy-pants in the family???  lol.  BTW...dinner is the must do at Ohana, breakfast is pretty basic. 

With any other credits you have, i suggest filling those in based on where you plan to be—The last thing you want to do is to be running across property just b/c of a dinner reservation. You have 2 MK area locations (BOG and Ohana), 1 AK, 1 Studios and then thats it. Plan the rest around your park or non-park plans. If you are planning a day or night at Dis Springs, then as Bruce said, lots of great options there. If you want a break and want to visit a resort, again, many good spots. Don't let transportation limit you (assuming you don't have car). We use Uber and Taxis al the time there and they open a whole group of resort-based restaurants that would otherwise be a pain via the Disney buses. 


If I had a list to use to round out your credits:
Character meals: You already have Tusker house, so you will get mickey and the basic gang. So you don't need Chef Mickeys (nothing wrong with it, we love it there, you'll just see the same characters).
My pick is 1900 park fare at the grand Floridian. its guys you really won't see anywhere else. Breakfast is Tigger, Marry poppins, Alice and mad hatter. Dinner is Cindy, Prince, Lady Tremaine and the wicked step sisters.  I love 'face characters' (no masks) b/c you can actually interact with them, and some are amazing in character. My favorite memory from our last trip was there riffing with my daughter. (she like to draw a sketchbook of all the characters to sign and one of the step sisters had a field day with the way she drew 'Mother's" duck lips.) 
2nd Pick is Crystal Palace. Its Pooh characters, but the really cool thing here is if you can get a pre-park opening reservation, you can get into the MK early when very few people are there. Very cool experience/pictures.

Non-character: All of bruce's suggestions are solid. I'll add Sanaa at Animal Kingdom Lodge to the list if you like unique dining. They have pizza and other simple kids meals, but the adult food is off the hook and the bread service...oh man, I'm getting a chubby. But it is out of the way, so its a tough one to book. 

Lastly, If you have a night you are just gonna stay at the resort. I really, really suggest going to see YeeHaa Bob over at PO Riverside. The show itself is free, just grab some drinks and nachos to snack on. Bob puts on a great family show. He truly is a hidden gem. Get there early for a good table and he will walk around the room before the show. Once you tell him your name, he will remember it forever, guy is nuts. Yes, it is a night away from the parks, but if you are looking to decompress and do something else, its a really fun night.   YouTube him, you'll see. 

 
After the mom's panel disappointment, wasn't sure if we would re-up, but wife made her peace and got back in the saddle. We are pass-holders again -- booked an early Dec. trip -- and she will be going for the panel again in '17.

As for dining, we don't really care for the food at BoG. Thought we were alone on an island on that one@Bruce Dickinson. Do not get my wife started on what she thinks about "the gray stuff". Agree that it is a cool space tho.

We have had great experiences at Cinderella's castle. Food is good, and you can't beat the access to the princesses. It is a bit pricey, but worth the splurge.

One of our hidden faves is Sleepy Hollow at Liberty Square. The chocolate chip cookie ice cream sandwich is made fresh. It's enormous and awesome.

Agree on Via Napoli at EPCOT. Also think Biergarten is underrated. It rarely is mentioned here. Some positives: better than decent German-fare buffet, good beer, you can ALWAYS get a reservation and they do a fun live Christmas music set for the kids.

Never been to Le Celier. It's on our list for December.

 
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Big news.  It was announced today that Avatarland will be open for summer 2017.  

Its realy ambitious. I'll try and post some new aerial photos soon (when not on my phone) but a high level exec said it today at the D23 conference.  

Also, it was said that Epcot future world will be completely redone, kept to the same vision as when it opened, but as for now the sky is the limit for attractions. 

 

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