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DNC Leaks...official thread (1 Viewer)

SaintsInDome2006 said:
But not an Obama supporter? IIRC Ecuador went fairly far left wing a few years ago and is more aligned with Venezuela, Nicaragua and Bolivia? They did take Assange in in the first place.
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I have no idea.  He has stated that he wants Hillary to win.

 
jonessed said:
I have no idea.  He has stated that he wants Hillary to win.
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Ok so let's say that's true. The man publishes hacked emails from one of the most powerful political parties in the world, not to mention the US government, and he thinks he gets to keep up his slumber party on the Ecuadorian embassy couch?

How did he think this was going to go?

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Ok so let's say that's true. The man publishes hacked emails from one of the most powerful political parties in the world, not to mention the US government, and he thinks he gets to keep up his slumber party on the Ecuadorian embassy couch?

How did he think this was going to go?
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It is true.

I don't think he cares.  Assange has been pretty consistent.  He dumped on Bush and now he's dumping on the DNC.  With the exception of redacting names where someone's life may be at risk I'm fine with both.  Expose corruption where you can.

 
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How Hackers Broke Into John Podesta and Colin Powell’s Gmail Accounts


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The data linking a group of Russian hackers—known as Fancy Bear, APT28, or Sofacy—to the hack on Podesta is also yet another piece in a growing heap of evidence pointing toward the Kremlin. And it also shows a clear thread between apparently separate and independent leaks that have appeared on a website called DC Leaks, such as that of Colin Powell’s emails; and the Podesta leak, which was publicized on WikiLeaks.

All these hacks were done using the same tool: malicious short URLs hidden in fake Gmail messages. And those URLs, according to a security firm that’s tracked them for a year, were created with Bitly account linked to a domain under the control of Fancy Bear.

THE TRAIL THAT LEADS TO FANCY BEAR

The phishing email that Podesta received on March 19 contained a URL, created with the popular Bitly shortening service, pointing to a longer URL that, to an untrained eye, looked like a Google link.

Inside that long URL, there’s a 30-character string that looks like gibberish but is actually the encoded Gmail address of John Podesta. According to Bitly’s own statistics, that link, which has never been published, was clicked two times in March.

That’s the link that opened Podesta’s account to the hackers, a source close to the investigation into the hack confirmed to Motherboard.

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https://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-hackers-broke-into-john-podesta-and-colin-powells-gmail-accounts?update

 
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jonessed said:
Hah!  When they exposed this guy he instantly locked his twitter and started deleting all his HRC links.

That thread is awesome.  It reads like a giant conspiracy theory, but every time they turn over a rock the roaches start shutting down their twitter and modifying web pages, addresses, etc.. It's pretty robust amateur sleuthing.
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I've been saying it for years. People have ALWAYS wanted to s*** on conspiracy theorists and call them whack jobs, and they've always had to just sit there and take the ridicule in their dark little corners around the globe.

Now that the technology has finally caught up where everyday people can get into these kinds of things and we have professional hacking organizations and rogue networks, the theorists have time and time again been proven correct...which on the other side of the coin, proves the people ridiculing them all those years to be brainwashed sheep, incapable of thinking for themselves, and who follow the narrative they're told to follow.

 
Interesting take on Assange and Wikileaks from an insider:

Inside the Strange, Paranoid World of Julian Assange

My favorite part:

There are few limits to how far Assange will go to try to control those around him. Those working at WikiLeaks – a radical transparency organisation based on the idea that all power must be accountable – were asked to sign a sweeping nondisclosure agreement covering all conversations, conduct, and material, with Assange having sole power over disclosure. The penalty for noncompliance was £12 million.
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Hmmm
 
Prosecutors: NSA contractor's alleged theft 'breathtaking' in scope


The alleged theft of classified documents by a former NSA contractor was "breathtaking" in its scope, federal prosecutors said in a court filing Thursday.

They said Harold T. Martin III, 51, took documents dating from the year he first obtained a security clearance in 1996 and continued until his arrest this year, amassing an archive many times larger than the haul Edward Snowden is suspected of taking from the intelligence agency headquartered at Fort Meade.

Documents that Martin is alleged to have taken detail some of the country's most sensitive intelligence operations. Authorities have not said why he allegedly stole the documents, or whether they believe he planned to do anything with them.

Martin, a Navy veteran who lives in Glen Burnie, was charged in August with stealing government documents. Prosecutors said they anticipate filing more serious charges against him under the Espionage Act.

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http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-harold-martin-nsa-theft-20161020-story.html

- In my view people should look at the DNC hacks in the context of what has been going throughout our government: Snowden/NSA, now Martin at NSA, OMB/GIS, DOD and DOS and even the president's own calendar and agenda.

 
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I'm still not buying the Russian hacker angle.  I don't care how many intelligence agencies say it was Russia, they were all wrong on Iraq WMDs as well.  It was likely a whistle blower like Manning or Snowden.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-harold-martin-nsa-theft-20161020-story.html

- In my view people should look at the DNC hacks in the context of what has been going throughout our government: Snowden/NSA, now Martin at NSA, OMB/GIS, DOD and DOS and even the president's own calendar and agenda.
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The DNC isn't even a public entity.  It's a private organization.  Security is their issue.  Investigating break-ins obviously falls to law enforcement, but if they have crappy security protocols that's on them.  It's not the government's responsibility to maintain or fix it.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Interesting take on Assange and Wikileaks from an insider:

Inside the Strange, Paranoid World of Julian Assange

My favorite part:

There are few limits to how far Assange will go to try to control those around him. Those working at WikiLeaks – a radical transparency organisation based on the idea that all power must be accountable – were asked to sign a sweeping nondisclosure agreement covering all conversations, conduct, and material, with Assange having sole power over disclosure. The penalty for noncompliance was £12 million.
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Hmmm
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Disclosure for thee, but not for me.

Even Assange’s attempt to aid Edward Snowden was largely botched, leaving the whistleblower stranded in a Moscow airport for weeks.
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Assange's "help" landed Snowden in Moscow in the first place.

Now think about that in light of what is going on right now.

 
jonessed said:
The DNC isn't even a public entity.  It's a private organization.  Security is their issue.  Investigating break-ins obviously falls to law enforcement, but if they have crappy security protocols that's on them.  It's not the government's responsibility to maintain or fix it.
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Yes I agree, I'm not claiming anything opposite from that.

I'm talking about what appears to be a cyber campaign on our governmental structures and institutions. You may say that the DNC is private and that is definitely true but everything they do is essentially of public import. Attacking our party structure and our democracy is definitely an attack on our government and us.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Yes I agree, I'm not claiming anything opposite from that.

I'm talking about what appears to be a cyber campaign on our governmental structures and institutions. You may say that the DNC is private and that is definitely true but everything they do is essentially of public import. Attacking our party structure and our democracy is definitely an attack on our government and us.
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Private attacks are private attacks.  I'm more concerned about the hacks of medical providers than I am of the DNC.  Unfortunately, I don't think there is much we can do about either though.

 
cap'n grunge said:
There are 3rd party hackers who also proved it was the Russians.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a49791/russian-dnc-emails-hacked/
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I'm not saying Russia wasn't hacking us.  Fancy Bear, Huggy Bear, Fozzy Bear, and likely plenty of other countries / groups were probably hacking us.  Just like we are constantly hacking other countries.  The point is that there is no way to be 100% certain it was Russia.  Here is an article from a former NSA saying it's likely a whistle blower.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-22/nsa-whistleblower-us-intelligence-worker-likely-behind-dnc-leaks-not-russia

 
Quez said:
I'm not saying Russia wasn't hacking us.  Fancy Bear, Huggy Bear, Fozzy Bear, and likely plenty of other countries / groups were probably hacking us.  Just like we are constantly hacking other countries.  The point is that there is no way to be 100% certain it was Russia.  Here is an article from a former NSA saying it's likely a whistle blower.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-22/nsa-whistleblower-us-intelligence-worker-likely-behind-dnc-leaks-not-russia
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Fwiw this is not based on a technical analysis of the data, but rather on the statement - which may be true - that the NSA has this data themselves and would have cause or reason to release it. Which may be true. But then we'd have to speculate why the NSA or one of its former employees would want to do this.

 
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Buddy Ball 2K3 said:
THE WIKILEAKS LIST: At Least 65 MSM Reporters Were Meeting with and/or Coordinating Offline with Top Hillary Advisors
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OMG!  Journalists meeting with sources?  Unthinkable!

Serious- this crap is dangerous. It's what is feeding this, which hopefully we can all agree is awful.  Or for a more specific example, things like this and this.

Meeting with political insiders is how journalism works.  Always has, hopefully always will. The free press is not the enemy.

I also find it funny that many of the people who seem to have an issue with journalists meeting with Clinton campaign advisors don't seem to have a problem with a journalist running Trump's campaign, even though his company has been functioning pretty transparently as the propaganda wing of the campaign for quite some time.  If this Wikileaks reporter nonsense troubles you more than Bannon's role and Breitbart's coverage of the Trump campaign, you're doing it wrong.
 
DNC Hacks. Using emails as the example, a leak would be if Podesta gave his email to a reporter to write a story about the campaign. A hack is when emails are stolen.

 
TobiasFunke said:
OMG!  Journalists meeting with sources?  Unthinkable!

Serious- this crap is dangerous. It's what is feeding this, which hopefully we can all agree is awful.  Or for a more specific example, things like this and this.

Meeting with political insiders is how journalism works.  Always has, hopefully always will. The free press is not the enemy.

I also find it funny that many of the people who seem to have an issue with journalists meeting with Clinton campaign advisors don't seem to have a problem with a journalist running Trump's campaign, even though his company has been functioning pretty transparently as the propaganda wing of the campaign for quite some time.  If this Wikileaks reporter nonsense troubles you more than Bannon's role and Breitbart's coverage of the Trump campaign, you're doing it wrong.



 
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I like the leaks showing HRCs team writing and editing the stories for these "journalists".    

 
TobiasFunke said:
OMG!  Journalists meeting with sources?  Unthinkable!

Serious- this crap is dangerous.
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Dangerous is a populous so willing to accept blatant collusion, and corruption from their politicians.  Their entire massively coordinated psych job has worked on half the country.

 
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David Dodds said:
I like the leaks showing HRCs team writing and editing the stories for these "journalists".    
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I haven't seen anything like that. What I've seen is the common, responsible practice of journalists checking with sources and subjects on the accuracy of a story before printing it.  If you've seen something else, with enough context to allow the reader to understand what's going on, I'd be happy to check it out.

 
TobiasFunke said:
I haven't seen anything like that. What I've seen is the common, responsible practice of journalists checking with sources and subjects on the accuracy of a story before printing it.  If you've seen something else, with enough context to allow the reader to understand what's going on, I'd be happy to check it out.
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This 

 
Buddy Ball 2K3 said:
THE WIKILEAKS LIST: At Least 65 MSM Reporters Were Meeting with and/or Coordinating Offline with Top Hillary Advisors
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I guess people know I don't mind looking at this stuff. Doesn't scare me, it's not made of radioactive gas.

So what is going on here?

We have one dinner invitation by the Hillary campaign.

- They're giving an advance look at the coming campaign. :shrug: As a reporter you would not go to this? Free food, talk to campaign insiders, off the record, and you know a lot more when it's done. Hell you could find out negative information, this isn't just 'positive' stuff you get. When you're done with this you probably have three pieces to write about pro or con. This dinner stuff has been going on forever.

Dinner at Podesta's house. 

- If you're a reporter you pretty much have to go to this. Same deal. Reporters share information there too. I know there are definitely reporters who get invited to these things and they don't go, that's their choice. It's arguable either way (if you write enough negative stuff you probably don't get asked back) but this isn't something that deserves to have reporters put on a "list" because they are doing their job.

This admittedly bothers me.

- Glenn Thrush basically debasing himself (calling himself "hack") and actually (IMO) improperly sending a whole section for approval directly to Podesta. Thrush is getting excoriated on this by other reporters and journalists, it's embarrassing. Otoh he has defended himself and says it's what he does to fact check. I don't like it but it doesn't make him a Hillary lapdog. Means he may have indeed become what he said "a hack". Embarrassing but not a media conspiracy.

The Harwood thing is ridiculous, not even worth mentioning.

- eta - NONE of this merits having these real life people put on a "list".

 
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Quez said:
If Hillary hit you in the head with a baseball bat sized highlighter, I still think you would defend her.
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If Hillary hit you in a head with a baseball bat sized highlighter you'd blame the "Washington elites" for conspiring with the "globalists" to make a baseball bat sized highlighter which they then donated to the Clinton Foundation to be used as a weapon against noble truth-tellers like yourself on the internet in exchange for preferential treatment from a Clinton State Department or White House, which the media then covered up because John Podesta once made them dinner.

Seriously: this is an odd response to a post that doesn't mention Clinton at all and was making light of a post that has almost nothing to do with Clinton.

 
TobiasFunke said:
If Hillary hit you in a head with a baseball bat sized highlighter you'd blame the "Washington elites" for conspiring with the "globalists" to make a baseball bat sized highlighter which they then donated to the Clinton Foundation to be used as a weapon against noble truth-tellers like yourself on the internet in exchange for preferential treatment from a Clinton State Department or White House, which the media then covered up because John Podesta once made them dinner.
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:lol:

 
Did we ever get how people come to terms with Russians hacking our government officials emails is a good thing? And, how they are so obviously only doing it to aid one candidate and why that would be?

 
The General said:
Did we ever get how people come to terms with Russians hacking our government officials emails is a good thing? And, how they are so obviously only doing it to aid one candidate and why that would be?
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They don't know for certain it was Russia.  Many people have the opinion that the information was leaked by a whistleblower, which would be in line with Manning & Snowden leaks.  Including this former NCA officer,

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-22/nsa-whistleblower-us-intelligence-worker-likely-behind-dnc-leaks-not-russia

 
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