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DNC Leaks...official thread (3 Viewers)
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
That was a blatant lie. I'm still not sure why he did that. It's incredibly disappointing IMO.
The General
Footballguy
It's pretty much primarily Clinton's people and Democrats getting hacked, no? I have only been following this on the periphery, headlines and skimming of stories.
The General
Footballguy
That it is primarily democrats getting hacked seems as if there is an agenda of some sort.
The bigger question is: Is the hacked information harmful? If its not - then the hack is not aiding one side. If the information is harmful - why is the source then an issue?
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
Back to my original point why would a country that wants to harm our standing be supporting one side? Do they perhaps think that him being elected would harm our country?
Also, I don't like the idea of emails being hacked regardless. Especially by other countries.
jonessed
Footballguy
These were personal and private accounts that were hacked. Maybe the RNC has better security. Podesta actually had to accept the Malware for them to get in to his stuff.
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The General
Footballguy
I seriously doubt it. In Podesta's case they hacked his google email account, right? Pretty sure there are many accounts they could go after.
jonessed
Footballguy
I'm sure they went after a lot of people. Podesta happened to be one of the few stupid enough to respond to the phishing.
Well they have been in power for 8 years. How exciting can RNC e-mails be lamenting about getting their asses kicked again?
Maybe Putin is trying to help Hillary by making it look like he is helping Trump....
As for the idea of being hacked, wake up. We are hacking them. They are hacking us. There is nothing you nor I can do about it. We are just pawns in the game of thrones.
The General
Footballguy
Fair point. I'm sure there is some good stuff in there though.
The General
Footballguy
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Of course there is. We can disregard the information they release, or at least grasp that it's likely being released in a limited manner in an effort to manipulate us rather than in an effort to educate us. Not only is this the correct approach, it also discourages future hacks at least a little bit because the benefit is lessened.
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That is the dumbest thing I have heard today. Congrats?
Everything you read is done in an effort to manipulate you - this is no different. If you disregard this information completely on the basis of the source - while accepting other sources of information. You have already lost.
Everyone has an agenda. If you are not cognizant of that, then you choose to be led around by your nose. Don't complain if others are led in a different direction.
The General
Footballguy
This is exactly my point of how pro-Trump folks are wrapping their brains around the fact that Russia wants him to be president.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
1. Nothing you say here contradicts what I said in any way. Even if everything is done to manipulate you (I disagree, but that doesn't matter here), that doesn't somehow mean you can't be aware of it and adjust your perceptions accordingly in some cases where people might not be aware of the spin.
This is particular relevant here, where plenty of people see Wikileaks information as "unfiltered" information for a primary source and thus judge it differently than they do something they are more likely to evaluate with a grain of salt, like a campaign press release or something. Many people seem unaware that the information is being selectively hacked and leaked without context or explanation in an effort to influence an election, and that bloggers and redditors are highlighting passages to further remove context and suggest damning information and running with moronic conspiracy theories in an effort to do to same. Exhibit A: this thread. Making people aware of this is a good thing.
2. I find it difficult to believe that this is actually the dumbest thing you've heard today. Were infowars and beforeitsnews.com and the other
websites down this morning or something?
The Commish
Footballguy
Why is someone trying to influence our election? Without thinking real hard, the reasons are probably similar as to why we try to influence countries in other parts of the world ("because they want us to behave a certain way"). It's the approach that is different.
The General
Footballguy
I seriously doubt this nor would I expect a bunch of 60 year old people to be completely insusceptible to hackers. Just seems odd that you have Trump, the least qualified person most absurd candidate in my lifetime who somehow who got the nomination on one side and all these leaks are dumping on the other side.
If I'm a Trump guy I'm at least taking some pause for a second.
The Commish
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
This is exactly my point. They want dumpster fire donald to win yet Fox and drudge types think this is the best thing ever.
The General
Footballguy
And apparently in this instance only one side. Or perhaps a bunch of 70 year old republicans just have the greatest teams of cyber security experts running their ####.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Besides maybe tax returns/business records, what else do you think anyone has on him? If there is anymore language tapes, the Dems already have those.
jonessed
Footballguy
It's all Podesta. They got to his account because he accepted the malware. I'm sure they would have loved to get as many senior leaders as they could, but they can only nail someone if they take the bait.
Quez
Footballguy
I think wikileaks is opposed to the collusion between the upper levels of government, large corporations, and the media. They have released plenty of nonpartisan leaks in the past though. They also have put out request to try and get Trump's tax returns. If they had dirt, I'm sure they would release it. It really is more likely that the DNC staffer that Hillary had murdered was the source.
The Commish
Footballguy
This isn't new. Is this a revelation to you? They want whomever will help them get what they ultimately want. I don' think this desire is new because of Trump and I don't think they care that it IS Trump...path of least resistance.
I have to say I am a little caught off guard that we haven't had this administration come out in a political way against the actions, but if I think about it, I guess it shouldn't surprise me.
Quez
Footballguy
they are just going to be more careful in the future, and waste more tax dollars flying around the country for face to face meetings.
The Commish
Footballguy
Not really necessary....just have to have enough brain cells not to click on links to #### you don't recognize. It's not any more complicated than that.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Assange has already stated explicitly that if they had anything on Trump they would release it. People like to think that just because these guys do this hacking thing for a living they can just get into anything they want. It doesn't work like that. People want there to be stuff on Trump when they may not even have stuff on Trump.
Quez
Footballguy
I like the leaks because they are proving what many of us thought for a long time. Media cooperation, bogus polls, fake protestors, paid bloggers, obstruction, health concerns, pay to play, etc. I don't care who the party is. I'm glad to see crooked people exposed, and am loving how wikileaks is dragging this out. I bet the DNC has more staff devoted to damage control & reading leaks, than they do planning their campaign. Pretty soon they will implode. People will start snitching on each other, etc. This is so big, that there is no possible way this all goes away after the election.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Just a point here - Assange is not doing the hacking himself. He receives data. He says he does not know the source. That leaves him wide open - even taking him at his word - for manipulation. If a foreign intelligence service wants to funnel information through Assange and he just takes it no questions asked beyond validating the data then that means that if someone wants to essentially "launder" the data they can do it through him.
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The General
Footballguy
I'm sure old farts in both parties are clicking on all kinds of #### just like all our parents do. Colin Powell was sending emails on AOL while using Marriott's internet.
David Dodds
Administrator
and WikiLeaks is not a hacking organization. It's a Whistle Blower site that allows people to report on corruption.
The General
Footballguy
Path of least resistance to what? Seeing us be a joke right? This is my point that Hannity types are popping boners that these wikileak hacker dorks seem to favor one side in the hacking department without acknowledging what the motivation is.
Everyone knows it's because they don't really care, just makes Hillary look bad.
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David Dodds
Administrator
WikiLeaks was embarrassing the Republicans when they were leaking the IRAQ war videos from Manning. It's equal-opportunity in that it exists to show corruption. The Democrats are in power. It makes sense that the leaks are coming from the group in power.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
Come on, seriously, he's not even trying to hide his partisan bias anymore. He clearly has a personal beef with Hillary, so he isn't even trying to get any dirt on Trump. Or he's afraid Trump would sue him, like he does every other person or entity that says the slightest negative thing about him.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
So let me ask you like I asked @The General, besides a few business records or the tax return, what else would you want on Trump? What could possibly do more damage? Audio tapes? Dems already have them I'm sure. The reason we have such impactful stuff on Podesta is because we got thousands upon thosands and could find a few things. If we're just searching for a couple specific documents on Trump, it's like searching for the needle in the haystack that someone may or may not have even been able to gain access to.
The General
Footballguy
My point is not about the leaks. It's about the thought that a group of #######s would be trying to influence our election. More specifically how the serious obnoxious types - think Hannity/Rush - who are usually the first to pander to the 'Mercia types are lapping this up. I would have thought they would be disgusted that this was happening on some level.
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The General
Footballguy
This is the premise right? That they seem to be focused on damaging Clinton only seems a bit odd. I don't see why Democrat being in the White House factors in this. Republicans have owned Congress for awhile now.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Eh, arguably this was not just embarrassing but damaging to America, not just the GOP. To the extent it caused collateral chaos and division in the US political sector, well that was arguably just gravy.
Now, who would have a motive for that sort of thing.
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CBusAlex
Footballguy
Eh, anyone with the ability to hack Manafort or the RNC's emails (and god, what a complete ####show those must be) should be able to find somewhere else to publish them. The fact that they're not out there somewhere suggests that it's not Assange turning them down, it's just that the only people with the willingness and capacity to interfere in the election like this are unfriendly foreign governments.
Quez
Footballguy
This is a disgruntled ex-employee, so I'm obviously weary. Especially, when they throw in the anti-Semitic stuff. Give me a break. Also, BuzzFeed is one of the media outlets that was proven to be in cooperation with the DNC. This reeks of a well timed smear piece to discredit the leaks. Also, they had to make sure to pile on the rape case. Is it any shock that the author believes the rape accusations after bashing him the entire article?
One thing I will give them is the the part about Assange wouldn't knowingly cooperate with the Russians, but could be susceptible to false releases. The problem with that is not many of the emails have been challenged.
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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I know, right? It's hard to believe a fugitive fleeing rape charges, hiding out like a coward in an Embassy where he has worn out his welcome while he launders illegally obtained information (almost certainly from and for the benefit of a murderous Russian president) might also be tolerant of anti-Semitism and just generally kind of a dooshbag. How can that possibly be?
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Quez
Footballguy
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Yeah, obviously the Clinton machine has co-opted the entire Swedish justice system the same way they did the FBI.
And people wonder why all of this stuff just gets dismissed as partisan hackery -- which is actually a shame because there are definitely legitimate areas of concern around Hillary that will almost certainly get dismissed because of the insistence on screaming that every shred of made up Breitbart / Infowars BS is legit.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Dunno, I'm not really familiar with those charges. Once someone flees rape charges so they can disseminate illegally obtained information, posts anti-Semitic tweets and complains about a Jewish conspiracy to take him down (with misogynistic language, no less!) I generally just assume the worst about them and stop bothering with the details.
The Commish
Footballguy
I have no way of knowing. I don't really care either. I'm just telling you the level of "effort" it takes to phish someone and for someone to keep from being phished. This is accomplished in about 5 minutes...probably less.