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DNC Leaks...official thread (2 Viewers)

Path of least resistance to what? Seeing us be a joke right? This is my point that Hannity types are popping boners that these wikileak hacker dorks seem to favor one side in the hacking department without acknowledging what the motivation is.

Everyone knows it's because they don't really care, just makes Hillary look bad.
to whatever it is they want....as I said in the post you quoted.  If they don't want Hillary in office (as to why, I have no idea) then they will take what they believe is the easiest path to getting there.  I don't listen to or watch Hannity so I really don't care what he's doing/saying.  Could possibly be the least legit source in the mainstream media that I can think of.  No idea why anyone pays attention to or cares about what he's saying.

 
My point is not about the leaks. It's about the thought that a group of #######s would be trying to influence our election. More specifically how the serious obnoxious types - think Hannity/Rush - who are usually the first to pander to the 'Mercia types are lapping this up. I would have thought they would be disgusted that this was happening on some level.




 
That's how a lot of us feel about the media this cycle.  All in bed to ensure Hillary wins the election.  Not sure there can be more influence than that unless your Foundation takes illegal contributions from terrorist regimes and you are selling Policy / Executive Orders / Assets for campaign contributions.

 
Assange has already stated explicitly that if they had anything on Trump they would release it. People like to think that just because these guys do this hacking thing for a living they can just get into anything they want. It doesn't work like that. People want there to be stuff on Trump when they may not even have stuff on Trump.
My point is not about the leaks. It's about the thought that a group of #######s would be trying to influence our election. More specifically how the serious obnoxious types - think Hannity/Rush - who are usually the first to pander to the 'Mercia types are lapping this up. I would have thought they would be disgusted that this was happening on some level.
Again...you understand that the attempts to influence our government and it's behavior are a daily occurrence, right?  You really seem surprised. Your naivety towards how politics in this country are puzzling as well.  Pro Tip:  Hypocrisy knows no bounds in American politics.

 
Again...you understand that the attempts to influence our government and it's behavior are a daily occurrence, right?  You really seem surprised. Your naivety towards how politics in this country are puzzling as well.  Pro Tip:  Hypocrisy knows no bounds in American politics.
We attempt to influence elections.  It shouldn't be a surprise that other nations try to influence ours.  Hell we oust and install complete governments.  Talk about meddling.

 
Again...you understand that the attempts to influence our government and it's behavior are a daily occurrence, right?  You really seem surprised. Your naivety towards how politics in this country are puzzling as well.  Pro Tip:  Hypocrisy knows no bounds in American politics.
Wtf..what is not clear about this point: how do Trump / conservatives come to terms that a hostile government is trying to influence their candidate winning our election. It's a simple question. 

Spare me the condescending bull####. TIA

 
That's how a lot of us feel about the media this cycle.  All in bed to ensure Hillary wins the election.  Not sure there can be more influence than that unless your Foundation takes illegal contributions from terrorist regimes and you are selling Policy / Executive Orders / Assets for campaign contributions.
you are ridiculous.  Trump is so far outside the pale that the only sensible thing to do is oppose him.  The lackeys in the republican party who are still clinging to his nutsack deserve to be pilloried for giving up their souls just so their team can claim a victory.  Hillary may be bad(although not as bad as your silly attempts try to paint) but Trump is infinitely worse.  Get over it, your pollyanish view of the world is a losing proposition.

 
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Wtf..what is not clear about this point: how do Trump / conservatives come to terms that a hostile government is trying to influence their candidate winning our election. It's a simple question. 

Spare me the condescending bull####. TIA
Haven't entirely kept up. It's a long tiresome election. Give me the links with undeniable proof it is Russia, and then I will proceed.

 
you are ridiculous.  Trump is so far outside the pale that the only sensible thing to do is oppose him.  The lackeys in the republican party who are still clinging to his nutsack deserve to be pilloried for giving up their souls just so their team can claim a victory.  Hillary may be bad(although not as bad as your silly attempts try to paint) but Trump is infinitely worse.  Get over it, your pollyanish view of the world is a losing proposition.
This is what i don't understand.  The repubs are so blind that they think the media is all on hillary because it's hillary.  The media is all in on hillary because Trump is a lunatic.  if this was Hillary vs. Kaisch, Kaisch would be up 12 points in the polls

 
Haven't entirely kept up. It's a long tiresome election. Give me the links with undeniable proof it is Russia, and then I will proceed.
Agree it's been long and tedious. I started this with saying I haven't had time to follow the Wikileaks stuff. Haven't had the time to read all of it. 

If its primarily directed from Russia then what?

 
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Haven't entirely kept up. It's a long tiresome election. Give me the links with undeniable proof it is Russia, and then I will proceed.
If this is your standard you also have to accept that Hillary Clinton is completely free of any corruption and scandal. 

 
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you are ridiculous.  Trump is so far outside the pale that the only sensible thing to do is oppose him.  The lackeys in the republican party who are still clinging to his nutsack deserve to be pilloried for giving up their souls just so their team can claim a victory.  Hillary may be bad(although not as bad as your silly attempts try to paint) but Trump is infinitely worse.  Get over it, your pollyanish view of the world is a losing proposition.
Correct me if I'm wrong but he never said Trump was a better option.  That's the hilarious thing about Hillary.  Other than a handful of shills here, the best thing the rest of you can say about Hillary is "she's not Trump".  That changes nothing about what DD is saying about her either.

American can, and should, do better than offering up these two turds as choices.  Both parties should be do better but I fear neither will change a damn thing about themselves between now and 2020.

 
The Russian message board posters at Reddit debunked a huge, well orchestrated plot trying to pin bogus pedo charges on Assange.  This has to make you wonder about the validity of the rape charges.  Here we have clear evidence of high level cooperation to pin disgusting charges on Assange.  This story has miraculously disappeared from mainstream news. 

http://yournewswire.com/reddit-clinton-julian-assange-pedo/

 
Again...you understand that the attempts to influence our government and it's behavior are a daily occurrence, right?  You really seem surprised. Your naivety towards how politics in this country are puzzling as well.  Pro Tip:  Hypocrisy knows no bounds in American politics.
Wtf..what is not clear about this point: how do Trump / conservatives come to terms that a hostile government is trying to influence their candidate winning our election. It's a simple question. 

Spare me the condescending bull####. TIA
:lmao:   Calm down.  They come to terms with it like the rest of us do.  How do YOU come to terms with it?  Why are you singling them out as if they have control over what Russia is doing?  I don't know what value you'd get from an answer to this question anyway.  A better question is why does it appear our government is doing little about it?

 
I gotta say, it is fairly amusing that the people most ready to accept ridiculous conspiracy allegations about the DNC and the press and the Rand Corporation and the Reverse Vampires are now demanding incontrovertible proof before they will give credence to things like Russian involvement in hacking and allegations of rape against a hateful weirdo.

 
If this is your standard you also have to accept that Hillary Clinton is completely free of any corruption and scandal. 
And if it isn't yours, then you need to accept that Hillary Clinton is likely corrupt and doesn't deserve even to be on a school board, much less POTUS.

 
I gotta say, it is fairly amusing that the people most ready to accept ridiculous conspiracy allegations about the DNC and the press and the Rand Corporation and the Reverse Vampires are now demanding incontrovertible proof before they will give credence to things like Russian involvement in hacking and allegations of rape against a hateful weirdo.
It's not a conspiracy anymore if we have gigs, and gigs, and gigs of proof. 

 
Everybody realizes that people act the same on both sides right?  If Wikileaks published Trump emails that showed him discussing disposing a body(or whatever), Republicans would dismiss the source and blame the Russians, and Democrats would be all over it saying he was a monster and needs to be locked up.  No matter how despicable the news may be, the same people would be in this thread acting the same way, just with reversed positions.  Politics is a team sport.  

 
And if it isn't yours, then you need to accept that Hillary Clinton is likely corrupt and doesn't deserve even to be on a school board, much less POTUS.
That's not true for a number of reasons.  First, there is much stronger evidence that Russia is responsible for the hacks than there is of Clinton's "corruption" IMO. Second, as indicated by that first sentence, being guilty of "corruption" is a subjective thing, whereas being guilty of hacking and rape aren't so much.

That said, if you know of a specific criminal act you think Clinton is guilty of and you have evidence you consider equal to the evidence against Russia or Assange, I'm happy to hear it.  Just don't throw that 18 USC 793 crap at me again.  I wasted too much of my life debunking that around here, and everyone ignored me, and then a Bush-appointed FBI director sided with me, as did most other experts, and people ignored them too, so I'm not wasting my time with that again.

 
:lmao:   Calm down.  They come to terms with it like the rest of us do.  How do YOU come to terms with it?  Why are you singling them out as if they have control over what Russia is doing?  I don't know what value you'd get from an answer to this question anyway.  A better question is why does it appear our government is doing little about it?
I am calm. Thanks for your concern.

If there was a constant stream of #### coming out from Assange about only the republican candidate I might start to discredit what they are saying a bit. That's how I would come to terms with it.

 
I gotta say, it is fairly amusing that the people most ready to accept ridiculous conspiracy allegations about the DNC and the press and the Rand Corporation and the Reverse Vampires are now demanding incontrovertible proof before they will give credence to things like Russian involvement in hacking and allegations of rape against a hateful weirdo.
Doesn't this also apply in reverse?  The same people shouting that there's no proof that Hillary ever did anything wrong are now 100% positive that the Russians not only hacked the DNC but have faked the contents.

 
I am calm. Thanks for your concern.

If there was a constant stream of #### coming out from Assange about only the republican candidate I might start to discredit what they are saying a bit. That's how I would come to terms with it.
I have a sneaking suspicion that we have different ideas of what "come to terms with" means, but ok.....

Why?  Because in this hypo it is only coming out about the GOP?  And what do you think the left wing of your party would be doing?  Do you think they would also be discrediting it or do you think the whackos on the left would be going coo-coo for cocoa puffs too?

 
I have a sneaking suspicion that we have different ideas of what "come to terms with" means, but ok.....

Why?  Because in this hypo it is only coming out about the GOP?  And what do you think the left wing of your party would be doing?  Do you think they would also be discrediting it or do you think the whackos on the left would be going coo-coo for cocoa puffs too?
Yeah no ####. I'm sure there would be all kinds of hacks on the left that would be all over it like the Lawrence O'Donnell types. What is your point?

 
Sure. Who is 100% positive they faked the contents, now?
I'm not really sure why this 100% thing was turned around on me.  It wasn't my test, someone else used it to deny the Russian involvement and the rape charges.  I just cited the Clinton thing to point out what a silly standard that is.

 
Yeah no ####. I'm sure there would be all kinds of hacks on the left that would be all over it like the Lawrence O'Donnell types. What is your point?
I'm asking questions...trying to understand how you are baffled by the way Hannity is handling the DNC hacks.  I'm not trying to make a point....trying to understand :shrug:  

 
Eh, arguably this was not just embarrassing but damaging to America, not just the GOP. To the extent it caused collateral chaos and division in the US political sector, well that was arguably just gravy.

Now, who would have a motive for that sort of thing.




 
The person who leaked it worked for the armed services. Perhaps he sent the info to WikiLeaks, because he felt the war crimes should be known? He paid the ultimate sacrifice for telling as he now sits in solitary confinement.

 
That's not true for a number of reasons.  First, there is much stronger evidence that Russia is responsible for the hacks than there is of Clinton's "corruption" IMO. Second, as indicated by that first sentence, being guilty of "corruption" is a subjective thing, whereas being guilty of hacking and rape aren't so much.

That said, if you know of a specific criminal act you think Clinton is guilty of and you have evidence you consider equal to the evidence against Russia or Assange, I'm happy to hear it.  Just don't throw that 18 USC 793 crap at me again.  I wasted too much of my life debunking that around here, and everyone ignored me, and then a Bush-appointed FBI director sided with me, as did most other experts, and people ignored them too, so I'm not wasting my time with that again.
:lmao:

 
The person who leaked it worked for the armed services. Perhaps he sent the info to WikiLeaks, because he felt the war crimes should be known? He paid the ultimate sacrifice for telling as he now sits in solitary confinement.
:shrug: Ok I will agree to that. I was thinking more along the lines of the NSA and State Dept. cables but I agree with you on this point.

 
HRC has told us that 17 different security agencies have all said these are from Russia.  We know that not to be the case at a minimum.  I have yet to see the FBI or the NSA with a definitive piece on the Podesta files.  Crowdstrike, commented on the DNC leaks and Guccifer 2.0 hacks, but no one from NSA, FBI or Homeland Security confirmed their findings.

It's possible that Russia is responsible, but it's also quite possible that a disgruntled NSA person, a former DNC employee, or someone else in the "inner circle of corruption" leaked all of this.  I think it's irresponsible though to have HRC ratchet up the Russia is Guilty talk without this being the official position from our NSA, FBI or Homeland Security.  The former NSA director has went on record saying he doubts this is coming from Russia.

Adding to all of this, Podesta lost his phone.  His password sounds like a codebreaker's nightmare too.  It was p###w0rd.  LOL     

 
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I for one am loving the slow dripping of these leaks.  Had everything been published at once, all would be glossed over by now.  Despite Twitter, Facebook, and the media trying their hardest to suppress these stories, people are interested and seeking out the truth.  

 
I'm asking questions...trying to understand how you are baffled by the way Hannity is handling the DNC hacks.  I'm not trying to make a point....trying to understand :shrug:  
We are on the same page then with how this wikileak stuff is being handled - some group is trying to disrupt the election. I don't see how this is positive. Of the Wikileaks stuff I read, there didn't seem to be any complete bomb shells. If I got to see the internal workings communicated in what was supposed to be private of any organization I'd expect to see some questionable stuff. Maybe I missed some huge news in all the other noise. 

 
I'm asking questions...trying to understand how you are baffled by the way Hannity is handling the DNC hacks.  I'm not trying to make a point....trying to understand :shrug:  
We are on the same page then with how this wikileak stuff is being handled - some group is trying to disrupt the election. I don't see how this is positive. Of the Wikileaks stuff I read, there didn't seem to be any complete bomb shells. If I got to see the internal workings communicated in what was supposed to be private of any organization I'd expect to see some questionable stuff. Maybe I missed some huge news in all the other noise.
I'm not sure it's positive or negative honestly...it just "is" for me.  Perhaps it's the way I'm wired and what I see in my day to day life.  It's not shocking at all to me that someone is trying to influence our elections.  I'd be shocked if there wasn't.  I can't get up in arms about it because I know my country does the same thing to other countries and is usually much more blatant about it.

The negative for me on the whole topic is our government's actions (or lack thereof so far).  The silence is deafening IMO and a sad commentary on where we're at right now.  A positive for Hillary is at least she throws the red meat out there with regard to Russia's actions.  Someone alert Tim.....it's a compliment for his girl.  But again, I guess they really can't say something...they don't have the moral high ground.  I just don't think that's why they are saying so little as lack of moral high ground has never stopped them in the past with their "do as I say, not as I do" philosophy.

 
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Agree it's been long and tedious. I started this with saying I haven't had time to follow the Wikileaks stuff. Haven't had the time to read all of it. 

If its primarily directed from Russia then what?
If that's the case then sure, that's all she wrote. Nothing I can really believe otherwise from that point. I don't think we'll find the smoking gun, so until then I have to judge a slimy American presidential campaign against a slimy "rival" nation. Neither option deserves the benefit of the doubt.

 
I am calm. Thanks for your concern.

If there was a constant stream of #### coming out from Assange about only the republican candidate I might start to discredit what they are saying a bit. That's how I would come to terms with it.
It's one person's email.  It's not like they hacked the entire DNC.  The idiot got phished. 

 
We are on the same page then with how this wikileak stuff is being handled - some group is trying to disrupt the election. I don't see how this is positive. Of the Wikileaks stuff I read, there didn't seem to be any complete bomb shells. If I got to see the internal workings communicated in what was supposed to be private of any organization I'd expect to see some questionable stuff. Maybe I missed some huge news in all the other noise. 
Disrupt the election, don't see how this is positive....it's not positive, it's exposing sleazy unethical behavior, we have every right to know what's been going on behind the curtain. 

Notice I didn't say illegal, not sure that's been proven yet.

 
That's not true for a number of reasons.  First, there is much stronger evidence that Russia is responsible for the hacks than there is of Clinton's "corruption" IMO. Second, as indicated by that first sentence, being guilty of "corruption" is a subjective thing, whereas being guilty of hacking and rape aren't so much.

That said, if you know of a specific criminal act you think Clinton is guilty of and you have evidence you consider equal to the evidence against Russia or Assange, I'm happy to hear it.  Just don't throw that 18 USC 793 crap at me again.  I wasted too much of my life debunking that around here, and everyone ignored me, and then a Bush-appointed FBI director sided with me, as did most other experts, and people ignored them too, so I'm not wasting my time with that again.
The amount of evidence showing HRC corruption is stacked higher than Phil Hartman on a pyramid of Colon Blow. We spent years around here proving this again and again, we're not wasting our time trying to teach the unteachable.

 
Considering Hillary should be in jail right now for transporting and forwarding classified info, I don't really care who hacked who. A vote for Hillary is a vote for more corruption

 

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