DNC Leaks...official thread (1 Viewer)

[Quez]

It is going to be difficult to gauge the damage of all of the leaks until a few years.  However, what immediate impacts do you all see happening?  Assuming Clinton wins, I think appointments for Loretta Lynch, Podesta, and Donna Brazile are slim to none.  Any guess who else will have their careers derailed by the leaks?  

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

 

WikiLeaks Game Can Turn Kremlin Fortress Into Glass House


For the first time since the 1950s, Russian subversion of the American political process has become a presidential campaign issue.

The Kremlin’s latest act of espionage-driven propaganda–document dump of Democratic National Committee emails via WikiLeaks–achieved its desired effect of immediate politicization. We should step back to learn two lessons, and creatively fight back.

The first lesson

Lesson one: Moscow’s subversion of American democracy is nothing new. The Soviet KGB and its successor entities have picked favorites in the past, and at crucial points in history, some American politicians and officials wittingly or unwittingly collaborated. One need only look at the Soviet penetration of President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s administration through controlled agents of influence. FBI reports and congressional hearings at the time, Communist defectors and turncoat Soviet intelligence officers, and more recent revelations from Soviet archives and the U.S. Army Signal Corps’ decrypted Venona transcripts prove this beyond any doubt.

 
Present-day political figures also colluded with the Soviets against their own country. A shining example is Senator Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.). In the 1980s, after honeymooning in the USSR, Sanders collaborated with the U.S. section of the World Peace Council, a major Soviet front organization that was working to push America to disarm unilaterally and surrender allies to Soviet aggression.

In ways far more damaging than Sanders’ fringe activism, distinguished members of the Clinton political clan benefited from relations with the KGB. The two primary Russia hands for Bill Clinton’s administration owed their political or professional fortunes to Soviet agents. The first was vice president Al Gore, whose father, also a senator, benefited greatly from his special relationship with Soviet agent Armand Hammer in a way that arguably groomed the younger Gore to lead Clinton’s Russia team. The second was Bill Clinton’s roommate at Oxford, Strobe Talbott, who as a cub reporter for Time magazine in Moscow, received the break of his life from Victor Louis, a KGB agent whose job was to recruit rising star journalists. We don’t know whether Talbott allowed the KGB to compromise him, but when asked about it during his Senate confirmation hearing to become deputy secretary of state in 1994, Talbott declined to answer.

Lesson two

The second lesson from the DNC WikiLeaks affair is that history shows that when American leaders resist and make Moscow pay a price, the Kremlin backs off. Strategic-minded leaders, as President Ronald Reagan proved, can even turn tables on the perpetrators and defeat them.

Which is why we should be focusing, not on Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, but on the current commander-in-chief. Barack Obama has done nothing to discourage Russian misbehavior that led to the WikiLeaks dump. His passivity arguably encouraged it. He now has the pretext to do something.

Obama is the only person on earth who can respond in-kind to the Putin regime’s egregious intervention in the American democratic process. Putin and his inner circle are vulnerable to exposure of their own shameful actions, habits, actions and fetishes. In the electronic age, the Kremlin fortress has become a glass house.

Next steps

For starters, Obama should order the intelligence community to compile properly-sanitized dumps of emails and social media among select targets in Putin’s inner circle. The personal electronic communications should expose the widely-suspected but seldom proven details of the staggering corruption at the top of the Russian gangster state, including Putin’s family members and loyalists. Judiciously selected, the exposures will show Putin and others that we, too, can play hardball.

If disciplined enough, the U.S. can outplay the Putin-WikiLeaks team. Russia’s political system is far less resilient than ours. The increasingly-centralized yet divided Russian Federation is potentially much more fragile and vulnerable to public exposure of the colossal scale of greed and organized criminal behavior of its national leadership.

And then there are national cultural norms that no present Russian leader could politically survive once the glass of invincibility is electronically shattered. Above almost all else, Putin nurses a deep-seated hostility to male homosexuality. Putin-centric political elites could never endure the humiliation and ridicule following a skillful intelligence dump of their private emails, text messages, social media posts, photos and Web browser histories.

No doubt Putin and his inner circle anticipated a cost-free scheme to embarrass Hillary Clinton and, by extension, Obama. If that is the case, all Americans who strive for political authority are wearing an electronic “kick me” sign on their backs. They should expect Russia and other powers like China to be scooping up and storing their electronic communication for future use. We can’t allow that to continue.

For the sake of America’s democratic society, Obama must strike back hard at Putin and his inner circle. Now.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2016/08/16/wikileaks-game-can-turn-kremlin-fortress-into-glass-house/#3688ded92255

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

That said, there’s no shortage of talent available to counter Kremlin propaganda today, only a lack of bureaucratic will. Nearly a year ago, the State Department created a Counter-Disinformation Team, inside its Bureau of International Information Programs, as a small, start-up effort to resist Russian disinformation. Consisting of only a handful of staffers, it was supposed to expose the most laughable Moscow lies about America and the West that are disseminated regularly via RT and other outlets. They created a beta website and prepared to wage the struggle for truth online.

Alas, their website never went live. Recently the State Department shut down the tiny Counter-Disinformation Team and any efforts by the Obama administration to resist Putin’s propaganda can now be considered dead before birth. Intelligence Community sources tell me that it was closed out of a deep desire inside the White House “not to upset the Russians.”

http://observer.com/2015/11/obama-fails-to-fight-putins-propaganda-machine/

- Whhhhoooops.

 

[Max Power]

I need a headcount for pizza.  There is only one slice.

Do you want your handkerchief?  it has a pizza related map on it?

Obama spent 65K of taxpayers money flying in pizza/hotdogs from Chicago.  I assume we will use the same channels?

Will I have better luck playing Dominos on pizza than Pasta?

Pizza has to mean pizza here right? 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Christopher HayesVerified account ‏@chrislhayes 12m12 minutes ago

The most important story, to me, remains:

who stole documents from one party with the intent of tipping an American election?

- It was the Russians. How does Hayes not know that?

This needs to be pointed out more:

In 1999, Bill Clinton killed the USAID and moved it into State where its largely died and its mission changed.

In 2014 Pres. Obama killed a proposed program by the Bureau of International Information to create online opposition to Russian kompromat/disinformation programs.

Both of the above were programs specifically designed to counter this kind of foreign espionage effort.

China, Russia and other foreign intelligence services have hacked the executive branch, politicians, officials, consultants, the OMB, SSA, the DOD and a myriad of other US agencies, involving military, intelligence and political assets, and what has the response been?

We have Democrats who still refuse to admit that Mitt Romney was right about Russia in 2012.

WHAT THE HELL has been the proposed policy by the Obama administration in 8 years for countering Russian aggression in cyber warfare? Name one instance where counter-measures have been taken.

 

[squistion]

- It was the Russians. How does Hayes not know that?

Better question...why are you quoting me in a thread I didn't post in? I guess it because you keep saying you are through with the Hillary, so instead of responding there you do this weird cut and paste so you can respond but not in the Hillary thread.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Better question...why are you quoting me in a thread I didn't post in? I guess it because you keep saying you are through with the Hillary, so instead of responding there you do this weird cut and paste so you can respond but not in the Hillary thread.

Because this issue has been discussed here plenty. Read upward.

Most recently the US Navy was hacked.

What is the administration's response?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Effort to combat foreign propaganda advances in Congress


Congressional negotiators on Wednesday approved an initiative to track and combat foreign propaganda amid growing concerns that Russian efforts to spread “fake news” and disinformation threaten U.S. national security.

The measure, part of the National Defense Authorization Act approved by a conference committee, calls on the State Department to lead governmentwide efforts to identify propaganda and counter its effects. The authorization is for $160 million over two years.

If approved by the full House and Senate, the measure could reach President Obama in December. It would be the most significant initiative against foreign governments’ disinformation campaigns since the 1990s.

“This propaganda and disinformation threat is real, it’s growing, and right now the U.S. government is asleep at the wheel,” Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) said in a statement. “The U.S. and our allies face many challenges, but we must better counter and combat the extensive propaganda and disinformation operations directed against us.”

The initiative grows out of a bill authored in March by Portman and Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) called the “Countering Foreign Propaganda and Disinformation Act.” It initially sprang from a desire to help independent journalists and nongovernmental organizations in European nations such as Ukraine, Moldova and Serbia, which face a heavy tide of Russian propaganda.

 
But the context shifted in recent months as independent experts warned that Russia was carrying out an intensive propaganda campaign during the U.S. election season. The effort helped push misleading reports on the Internet and into voters’ social-media feeds, experts concluded.

Russian officials have consistently denied meddling in the U.S. election, but concerns over the issue have run high amid reports this year of Russian hackers’ infiltrating the computers of elections officials in several states and stealing sensitive emails from the Democratic National Committee and John Podesta, Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman.

“In the wake of this election, it’s pretty clear that the U.S. does not have the tools to combat this massive disinformation machinery that the Russians are running,” Murphy said in an interview.

The measure approved Wednesday is aimed at foreign information sources, not ones based in the United States.

The effort would expand the State Department’s Global Engagement Center, which focuses on combating propaganda and recruitment by the Islamic State and other violent extremist groups, and would draw support from the Defense Department, intelligence agencies, the U.S. Agency for International Development and the Broadcasting Board of Governors.

The measure also would create a grant program to help foster civil society and independent journalism in countries targeted with propaganda campaigns by Russia and other foreign powers, including China.

One independent researcher into Russian propaganda efforts, Clint Watts, said he worried that the Global Engagement Center is poorly suited to lead a broad U.S. government response that spans several departments. He complained that the resulting effort may be unfocused and overly bureaucratic.

“It’s the opposite of what we need,” said Watts, a former FBI agent and a fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute. “We need to be moving quickly, nimbly.”

The Senate Intelligence Committee, meanwhile, has approved language in the fiscal year 2017 intelligence authorization bill calling for new executive branch efforts to combat what it characterized as “active measures” by Russia to manipulate people and governments through front groups, covert broadcasting or “media manipulation.”

“There is definitely bipartisan concern about the Russian government engaging in covert influence activities of this nature,” Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said in a statement. “If you read section 501 of this year’s intelligence authorization bill, it directs the President to set up an interagency committee to ‘counter active measures by Russia to exert covert influence over peoples and governments.’ So that shows you that senators from both parties are clearly concerned about Russian covert influence efforts.”

In a separate action this week, six Democrats and an independent on the Senate Intelligence Committee called on Obama to publicly disclose more information about Russian government activity during the election.

“We believe that there is additional information concerning the Russian government and the U.S. election that should be declassified and released to the public. We are conveying specifics through classified channels,” said a letter from the senators dated Tuesday.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/effort-to-combat-foreign-propaganda-advances-in-congress/2016/11/30/9147e1ac-e221-47be-ab92-9f2f7e69d452_story.html?utm_term=.932044d34cd1

 

[The Commish]

Someone has plagiarized my Footballguys account

Which is why we should be focusing, not on Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, but on the current commander-in-chief. Barack Obama has done nothing to discourage Russian misbehavior that led to the WikiLeaks dump. His passivity arguably encouraged it. He now has the pretext to do something.

Made this very point at least a dozen times here and nothing.  Shocking with all the  around here.  Just shocking!!!!

 

[The Commish]

Better question...why are you quoting me in a thread I didn't post in? I guess it because you keep saying you are through with the Hillary, so instead of responding there you do this weird cut and paste so you can respond but not in the Hillary thread.

Seems logical that the topic of DNC leaks be discussed in the DNC leaks thread.  Maybe you should thank him for pointing you in the correct direction.  And I love the "weird cut and paste" comment.  One can't really make that sort of thing up  

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

EU declares information war on Russia


Task force will start trying to win hearts and minds in eastern partnership countries next month.

The European Union’s foreign affairs department said Thursday it was launching a rapid-response team to counter what it considers biased Russian media reports.

The unit, which will include up to 10 Russian-speaking officials and media professionals from EU member states, will be fully operational by the end of September and will be part of the European External Action Service (EEAS). Officials say it is a first step in the EEAS’s response to growing concern in eastern Europe and EU Baltic states about the destabilizing influence of Russian-language news reports.



The EEAS was tasked by the European Council in March with coming up with a response to what EU leaders described as “Russia’s ongoing disinformation campaign,” with a specific request that the EEAS establish a “communication team” as a “first step” in fighting back.



...

http://www.politico.eu/article/russia-propaganda-ukraine-eu-response-disinformation/

- When do we do this?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

But so far, the United States has failed to invest seriously in understanding or pushing back against this problem. There is no modern equivalent to the U.S. Information Agency, an organization dedicated to coping with Soviet propaganda and disinformation during the Cold War. Although there has been some extra funding for U.S.-backed foreign broadcasters such as Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty , they cannot provide a complete response.

Partly because the U.S. media market is so vast, there is still little understanding of how disinformation campaigns work here either. There is certainly no public analytical database of what Russia says, when and where. Nobody — even in the Western intelligence community — compiles transcripts. Nor do we know which elements of the Russian message are effective, who believes them and why. It’s high time we learned, because other countries, notably China, are beginning to use some of the same techniques. Fifteen years ago, the free press seemed unchallengeable; 15 years from now, we may find ourselves, as Ukraine did two years ago, the targets of disinformation campaigns we are unprepared to fight.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-danger-of-russian-disinformation/2016/05/06/b31d9718-12d5-11e6-8967-7ac733c56f12_story.html?utm_term=.b8a03c720e14

That said, there’s no shortage of talent available to counter Kremlin propaganda today, only a lack of bureaucratic will. Nearly a year ago, the State Department created a Counter-Disinformation Team, inside its Bureau of International Information Programs, as a small, start-up effort to resist Russian disinformation. Consisting of only a handful of staffers, it was supposed to expose the most laughable Moscow lies about America and the West that are disseminated regularly via RT and other outlets. They created a beta website and prepared to wage the struggle for truth online.

Alas, their website never went live. Recently the State Department shut down the tiny Counter-Disinformation Team and any efforts by the Obama administration to resist Putin’s propaganda can now be considered dead before birth. Intelligence Community sources tell me that it was closed out of a deep desire inside the White House “not to upset the Russians.”

Meanwhile, at the State Department, the senior official involved is Rick Stengel, the Undersecretary for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs, a veteran journalist who was brought into State two years ago, leaving his job as TIME’s editor. His appointment raised concerns about the revolving door between the White House and the mainstream media, but Stengel is someone who should understand the importance of new media in the global information struggle being waged today.

Apparently, however, he – or someone else – does not. What role, if any, Stengel played in shutting down the State Department’s tiny effort to resist Kremlin lies is unclear. A lot about what happened here is murky and Congress may want to ask a few questions about this sorry tale of governmental dysfunction.

Who killed the Counter-Disinformation Team and why? What did the team produce during the time it existed? What has become of this product? How many people were on it? Does the State Department not consider countering Kremlin disinformation to be in its remit? Does the White House agree? What about the National Security Council? Is anybody in the U.S. government authorized to debunk Putin’s lies – if so, who? If not, why not?

http://observer.com/2015/11/obama-fails-to-fight-putins-propaganda-machine/

- In 2013 Lazar aka Guccifer hacked Sidney Blumenthal, found Hillary's server (which then suffered hack attempts which may or may not have been successful by others), Colin Powell was hacked, George Bush was hacked....

What was the government's response? Over two years went by and then mass hackings took place in a way that would have been totally foreseeable for anyone who remembers the history of the USSR & the KGB which regularly undertook active measures and disinformation campaigns back in the day, especially considering that Russia is actually run by a former KGB agent.

This is not unlike Al Qaeda in the 90s which declared war on us then regularly hit our military, diplomatic and civilian targets abroad before coming home in 2001. Yes it's that serious, only in 2001 we quickly had our heads turned around and went to war with AQ and terrorists globally.

Now in 2016 we seem to be doing absolutely nothing in response to this open warfare against us.

 

[The Commish]

http://www.politico.eu/article/russia-propaganda-ukraine-eu-response-disinformation/

- When do we do this?

Never with Obama in office...God only knows what Trump will do.  "We" being the American public and nerds in mom's basement?  It's probably been going on for a while.

 

[saintfool]

http://www.politico.eu/article/russia-propaganda-ukraine-eu-response-disinformation/

- When do we do this?




 

Germany is already preparing against similar Russian intervention and meddling with their upcoming elections. Merkel learned from our mistake. They are preparing against voter disinformation, email hacking and data breaches, election result cyber attacks and more. This is the face of someone that understands the threat posed by Russia.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Germany is already preparing against similar Russian intervention and meddling with their upcoming elections. Merkel learned from our mistake. They are preparing against voter disinformation, email hacking and data breaches, election result cyber attacks and more. This is the face of someone that understands the threat posed by Russia.

 

The Hill Verified account ‏@thehill


NEW: WikiLeaks drops trove of docs on probe into Germany's cooperation with NSA http://hill.cm/cp2WvD0 

- Well that was quick. Germany's turn now.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Ex-KGB talking about "active measures" aka ideological subversion.

 

[culdeus]

I'm not sure if this is related to the DNC dumpster fire, but Michelle Obama's twitter account has reportedly scrubbed the past 3.5 years of tweets, and unfollowed Hillary.  

Probably because of the child pizza thing

 

[Max Power]

Posted in another thread, but the Anthony Weiner warrant was posted and it doesn't look like Hill is in the clear just yet. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

 

Fancy Bear Hack of Ukrainian Artillery Fighters Shows Future of War


Hackers believed to be working for the Russian military were able to track the position of Ukrainian fighters thanks to a booby-trapped Android app originally used to improve the aim and accuracy of Ukraine’s own artillery units, according to a new report.

CrowdStrike, the security firm that also accused Russia of being behind the hack on the Democratic National Committee earlier this year, found that the same group was behind a more daring, and potentially deadly, hacking operation in Ukraine. The hackers, who are known as Fancy Bear or APT28, altered a legitimate app used by Ukrainian troops called Попр-Д30 (an abbreviation of Поправки-Д30, which translates to Correction-D30), slipping their own malware inside of it, according to CrowdStrike, which released its findings on Thursday.

The Android app was reportedly created by Yaroslav Sherstuk, an officer of the 55th Artillery Brigade in Ukraine. Fancy Bear trojanized the app with an Android version of X-Agent, a type of malware exclusively used by Fancy Bear in the past. For two years, as Ukrainian fighters relied on the app for their daily operations, the Russians were secretly turning the app against them, according to CrowdStrike.

This operation, which sounds like something out of a sci-fi war story, is likely a sign of things to come and shows how any connected technology used by a military can be compromised and used against it.

“If [the Russians] knew the enemy was using some Android app to facilitate targeting—hell ya go trojan that app and inject malware that can allow geolocation,” Patrick Wardle, a former hacker at the NSA and now the director of research at security firm Synack, told Motherboard in an online chat. “This is what military/nation-state hacking in time of war looks like.”

“It’s incredible, from a technical point of view, that hackers and hacking can so drastically influence the outcome of military engagements,” Wardle said. “If this is all true, I mean, it would have been a huge, huge advantage for the Russians to be able to geolocate the Ukrainian artillery units...basically in real-time, via an infected Android app. Crazy.” ...

https://motherboard.vice.com/read/fancy-bear-hack-of-ukrainian-artillery-fighters-shows-future-of-war

- What's also significant here is that the hacking group at the center of the DNC hacks has also been identified directly acting as the agent of Russian military and intelligence operations in a war theatre.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Posted in another thread, but the Anthony Weiner warrant was posted and it doesn't look like Hill is in the clear just yet. 

The problem of course is that Trump, like Obama, has spoken on an investigation that he is supposed to have no involvement in.

 

[David Dodds]

Anything coming from Crowd Strike is virtually 100% fake news coming from the CIA.  They are the go to source for the Washington Post after these moves:

1.  Amazon founder Jeff Bezos buys the bankrupt (and bleeding money) Washington Post for $300M

2.  CIA chooses Amazon Cloud for their cloud needs and awards Bezos company a $600M deal.

 

[flapgreen]

Wow.  These people are all connected in some way. 

 

[Dedfin]

Anything coming from Crowd Strike is virtually 100% fake news coming from the CIA.  They are the go to source for the Washington Post after these moves:

1.  Amazon founder Jeff Bezos buys the bankrupt (and bleeding money) Washington Post for $300M

2.  CIA chooses Amazon Cloud for their cloud needs and awards Bezos company a $600M deal.

Hi David Dodds,

I'm not trying to be snarky, I guess I'm just naive and uninformed. But why was the pizzagate thread killed?  Thanks dude

 

[JIslander]

Even the CIA puts out fake news. Wow.

It'll be better when Trump and Sinclair control the messaging and news.  When the economy tanks for those that elected him, the call for austerity will be welcomed. Just like it works for his BFF.

 

[Max Power]

Anything coming from Crowd Strike is virtually 100% fake news coming from the CIA.  They are the go to source for the Washington Post after these moves:

1.  Amazon founder Jeff Bezos buys the bankrupt (and bleeding money) Washington Post for $300M

2.  CIA chooses Amazon Cloud for their cloud needs and awards Bezos company a $600M deal.

My pure assumption is that Mattis and Flynn will be in Trump's ear enough about CIA's role in things.  The CIA had a bit of a free pass under Obama and I think that is about to end.  I hope this adds some more checks and balances to DC operations. The DoD and CIA have had some internal conflicts in recent years and I think the CIA is worried how the new administration will view things going forward. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Anything coming from Crowd Strike is virtually 100% fake news coming from the CIA.  They are the go to source for the Washington Post after these moves:

1.  Amazon founder Jeff Bezos buys the bankrupt (and bleeding money) Washington Post for $300M

2.  CIA chooses Amazon Cloud for their cloud needs and awards Bezos company a $600M deal.

The link was to Motherboard, that's an apolitical tech publication.

Other sources:

Reuters.

Wall Street Journal.

Here's the original report by CrowdStrike.

 

[Max Power]

Hi David Dodds,

I'm not trying to be snarky, I guess I'm just naive and uninformed. But why was the pizzagate thread killed?  Thanks dude

People couldn't have a rational discussion about the issue.  There are some very outlandish claims to Pizzagate that some wanted to focus on.  It was "debunked" as fake news because according to police it did not warrant an investigation. 

There are plenty of eye opening facts behind the idea of pizzagate and human trafficking/child abuse. People chose to focus on the Hillary Clinton eats babies aspect and it went downhill from there.

You can talk about any other conspiracy theory, just not pizzagate.

 

[Gopher State]

Election is over this thread should be deleted

 

[ZenMaster]

Anything coming from Crowd Strike is virtually 100% fake news coming from the CIA.  They are the go to source for the Washington Post after these moves:

1.  Amazon founder Jeff Bezos buys the bankrupt (and bleeding money) Washington Post for $300M

2.  CIA chooses Amazon Cloud for their cloud needs and awards Bezos company a $600M deal.

Thanks for posting this. I was worried after the PizzaGate debacle, your declaration that you'd stay out of political threads, and your threats against people who posted facts vs. conspiracy theories that you might stay quiet for a while. 

You've confirmed my decision to not renew my subscription. You don't deserve my money, small as though it might be. 

 

[adonis]

Anything coming from Crowd Strike is virtually 100% fake news coming from the CIA.  They are the go to source for the Washington Post after these moves:

1.  Amazon founder Jeff Bezos buys the bankrupt (and bleeding money) Washington Post for $300M

2.  CIA chooses Amazon Cloud for their cloud needs and awards Bezos company a $600M deal.

So you're saying the CIA is using the Washington Post to put out fake news because the CIA has supposedly contracted with Amazon for cloud services?  Is this fishing or are you serious?

if you're serious, aside from two seemingly completely unrelated things (tons of businesses have multimillion dollar contracts for AWS and they don't get the WaPo as a mouthpiece from their deals) do you have any other evidence of this? Where are your sources?

Do you realize how incredibly easy it is to put together two things like this and create a conspiracy?  Need some evidence to support this.

 

[Max Power]

Election is over this thread should be deleted

The DNC should try to learn from this instead of pretending it never happened. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Election is over this thread should be deleted

Crazy, this is an ongoing matter of international debate and investigation. It's obviously still happening as well.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Do you realize how incredibly easy it is to put together two things like this and create a conspiracy?  Need some evidence to support this.

This sort of talk will not be tolerated here.

:reported:

 

[ffldrew]

Anything coming from Crowd Strike is virtually 100% fake news coming from the CIA.  They are the go to source for the Washington Post after these moves:

1.  Amazon founder Jeff Bezos buys the bankrupt (and bleeding money) Washington Post for $300M

2.  CIA chooses Amazon Cloud for their cloud needs and awards Bezos company a $600M deal.

What other cloud vendor could you choose? Amazon is pretty much the only player in the game - at least if I'm spending $600M.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Do you realize how incredibly easy it is to put together two things like this and create a conspiracy?  Need some evidence to support this.

This is how easy it is to put two things together...

 

[culdeus]

The DNC should try to learn from this instead of pretending it never happened. 

Learn from what?  Use two factor authentication for your gmail account for non-elected staffers?

 

[GoBirds]

Learn from what?  Use two factor authentication for your gmail account for non-elected staffers?

Or maybe not go against the people to make sure an inferior corrupt candidate wins the nomination?

Actually I hope they keep the attitude you have to tee up a repeat. 

 

[culdeus]

Or maybe not go against the people to make sure an inferior corrupt candidate wins the nomination?

Actually I hope they keep the attitude you have to tee up a repeat. 

So your assertion here is that since the content of the email goes against your personal feelings on the way a party should be run, it's ok to have it released?  And as such they should learn what the can from the items certain parts of the population found concerning?

 

[Max Power]

Learn from what?  Use two factor authentication for your gmail account for non-elected staffers?

The dangers of selling out your own nominees or why dnc members might go rogue. 

Instead they'd rather blame russia and focus on "fake news"

 

[GoBirds]

So your assertion here is that since the content of the email goes against your personal feelings on the way a party should be run, it's ok to have it released?  And as such they should learn what the can from the items certain parts of the population found concerning?

Your party did whatever they could to take down Sanders, if you want to ignore the obvious that's fine with me. Got exposed and instead of addressing the problem finger pointing at the Russians is the solution? Love it. 

 

[culdeus]

Your party did whatever they could to take down Sanders, if you want to ignore the obvious that's fine with me. Got exposed and instead of addressing the problem finger pointing at the Russians is the solution? Love it. 

I think you have me confused with someone else, I don't support the DNC.  

Also I think you confuse the purpose of the DNC or parties in general.  They aren't there to serve as a conduit for democracy. They are there to find people willing to serve the platform of their electorate.  The leadership of the party supported the candidate that they felt best represented their platform.  That's how america works.  There is no requirement whatsoever to run under a party, you can always take the Perot route if you so choose.  If you don't choose that path then you are subject to the party administration to an extent such that you can access their voter base.  To this end DNC did not act out of bounds even looking at the sum total of the emails leaked of which I'm aware.  

I imagine on the GOP side of the fence you would have seen equal, if not orders of magnitude more emails of similar content and in every election where electronic records were exchanged. Nothing about any of this is really a learning experience for anyone.  Well, except maybe use two-factor.  

 

[Adderall Slim]

Anything coming from Crowd Strike is virtually 100% fake news coming from the CIA.  They are the go to source for the Washington Post after these moves:

1.  Amazon founder Jeff Bezos buys the bankrupt (and bleeding money) Washington Post for $300M

2.  CIA chooses Amazon Cloud for their cloud needs and awards Bezos company a $600M deal.

I find the content of your posts and lack of critical thinking skillls far more offensive than any personal attack that has been levied at me during adulthood.  But given your worldview I'm not surprised you're targeting the personal attack boogeyman as opposed to something which would require nuance. 

 

[saintfool]

Anything coming from Crowd Strike is virtually 100% fake news coming from the CIA.  They are the go to source for the Washington Post after these moves:

1.  Amazon founder Jeff Bezos buys the bankrupt (and bleeding money) Washington Post for $300M

2.  CIA chooses Amazon Cloud for their cloud needs and awards Bezos company a $600M deal.

Visual aid for you, Dodds. I know you are a busy man. This should help you save time...

 

[Dedfin]

Visual aid for you, Dodds. I know you are a busy man. This should help you save time...

There has to be some neurologist that has done studies on how people allow themselves to believe this type of stuff.  I wonder if it's a change in brain chemistry or something.  It may not be a psychological reason that they dove into these rabbit holes.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Anything coming from Crowd Strike is virtually 100% fake news coming from the CIA.  They are the go to source for the Washington Post after these moves:

1.  Amazon founder Jeff Bezos buys the bankrupt (and bleeding money) Washington Post for $300M

2.  CIA chooses Amazon Cloud for their cloud needs and awards Bezos company a $600M deal.

Every post of yours is now read in my head as Milhouse talking about Reverse vampires. 

 

[Max Power]

There has to be some neurologist that has done studies on how people allow themselves to believe this type of stuff.  I wonder if it's a change in brain chemistry or something.  It may not be a psychological reason that they dove into these rabbit holes.

Ok lets start at square one...  Do you believe everything someone tells you is true?  Do you believe most people would put others interests before their own?

 

[Max Power]

Ok lets start at square one...  Do you believe everything someone tells you is true?  Do you believe most people would put others interests before their own?

So you bailed tonight, but for all others playing along... Apply these ideas to your company for step 2. Nepotism or questionable contracts/standards.  We all know our low level powers bend the rules to meet their needs right?  

 

[The General]

 Unbelievable.

 

[Short Corner]

I think you have me confused with someone else, I don't support the DNC.  

Also I think you confuse the purpose of the DNC or parties in general.  They aren't there to serve as a conduit for democracy. They are there to find people willing to serve the platform of their electorate.  The leadership of the party supported the candidate that they felt best represented their platform.  That's how america works.  There is no requirement whatsoever to run under a party, you can always take the Perot route if you so choose.  If you don't choose that path then you are subject to the party administration to an extent such that you can access their voter base.  To this end DNC did not act out of bounds even looking at the sum total of the emails leaked of which I'm aware.  

I imagine on the GOP side of the fence you would have seen equal, if not orders of magnitude more emails of similar content and in every election where electronic records were exchanged. Nothing about any of this is really a learning experience for anyone.  Well, except maybe use two-factor.  

The party platform isn't established until the convention.

 

[Dedfin]

Ok lets start at square one...  Do you believe everything someone tells you is true?  Do you believe most people would put others interests before their own?

Instead of playing this question answer game, why don't you get to your point?  I hope this is some kind of character you are playing.