Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
This guy has to be one of the worst offseason pickups.
I know he signed a big contract, can he be cut or would it be to costly?
I know he signed a big contract, can he be cut or would it be to costly?
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Do Pats cut ties with Danny Amendola (1 Viewer)
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msommer
Footballguy
Amendola costs 6.8m to cut (2m of which is cash also) and 4.7m to keep (3.5m cash)
Edelman is UFA who worked for veterans minimum this year. Guess the shoe is on the other foot now...
Should they cut Amendola and keep Edelman? Absolutely, but then they would actually have to pay market price which they rarely do.
In any case Edelman has not exactly been the picture of health during his career...
Edelman is UFA who worked for veterans minimum this year. Guess the shoe is on the other foot now...
Should they cut Amendola and keep Edelman? Absolutely, but then they would actually have to pay market price which they rarely do.
In any case Edelman has not exactly been the picture of health during his career...
nightmare
Footballguy
Base salary Bonus(sign) Bonus(roster) salary(year) cap cost dead money
2013 $2,000,000 $1,200,000 $343,750 $0 $0 $3,543,750 $10,000,000 ($6,456,250)
2014 $3,000,000 $1,200,000 $500,000 $0 $0 $4,700,000 $6,800,000 ($2,100,000)
2015 $4,000,000 $1,200,000 $500,000 $0 $0 $5,700,000 $3,600,000 $2,100,000
2016 $5,000,000 $1,200,000 $500,000 $0 $0 $6,700,000 $2,400,000 $4,300,000
2017 $6,000,000 $1,200,000 $500,000 $0 $0 $7,700,000 $1,200,000 $6,500,000
This year will be his prove it year. 2015 they can cut him.
2013 $2,000,000 $1,200,000 $343,750 $0 $0 $3,543,750 $10,000,000 ($6,456,250)
2014 $3,000,000 $1,200,000 $500,000 $0 $0 $4,700,000 $6,800,000 ($2,100,000)
2015 $4,000,000 $1,200,000 $500,000 $0 $0 $5,700,000 $3,600,000 $2,100,000
2016 $5,000,000 $1,200,000 $500,000 $0 $0 $6,700,000 $2,400,000 $4,300,000
2017 $6,000,000 $1,200,000 $500,000 $0 $0 $7,700,000 $1,200,000 $6,500,000
This year will be his prove it year. 2015 they can cut him.
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fruity pebbles
Footballguy
He's got one more year imo. 2 million of the 3 million he's owed next year is guaranteed. If he doesn't work out next season, he's gone after the year. Pats set up his contract so as they had an easy out after 2 years.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
They need a Mike Wallace type, someone to be a legit deep threat
buck naked
Footballguy
Good info guys. Nice job on the contract details.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
I hate this guy. Onthemendola should be cut, but I don't think he will. But if we lose Edelman and keep this pansy, I'm gonna blow a fuse.
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Nero
Footballguy
I think they already know he is overpaid. He will be gone as soon as its financially practical.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Pretty sure that Dola has been playing at about 50% since his groin injury. Not sure how you can even go out there as a NFL WR and play with a tear in your groin. Look at how Miggy Cabrera ran after his groin injury, and that was MLB.
I am sure they will bring him back for at least one more season.
I am sure they will bring him back for at least one more season.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Amendola played the entire season with a groin pull with the muscle pulled off the bone. If people want to say he gets hurt too much, fine. But he was very limited when he played.
The obvious next question is what options do they have beyond him (which at this point doesn't seem like much), so I don't think they would get rid of him.
The obvious next question is what options do they have beyond him (which at this point doesn't seem like much), so I don't think they would get rid of him.
Nucker101
Footballguy
James Brimacombe
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Brady looked pissed after he threw him a perfect pass for a would be first down. Amendola looked terrified to make the catch and let up on the ball.
Brady has no trust in the guy. Even after numerous concussions you see a guy like Collie having to make catches in traffic and showing no fear. It is amazing the Patriots made it as far as they did with no receivers all season
Brady has no trust in the guy. Even after numerous concussions you see a guy like Collie having to make catches in traffic and showing no fear. It is amazing the Patriots made it as far as they did with no receivers all season
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
The Pats have the best non-division record in the NFL since the league went to the current schedule/league configuration in 2002. It's not like they played .950 ball against the AFC East and went .500 against the rest of the league.
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General Tso
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One target yesterday. One.
bostonfred
Footballguy
1) I would be shocked if the Patriots didn't make a run at Decker. He's 6 foot 3, can catch a lot of balls and can play multiple positions, and he'd return a little of the favor for the Welker acquisition. I don't know if they can afford to get into a bidding war over him, but they should be able to offer enough to keep him from re-signing in Denver.
2) I'm surprised people are talking about Amendola screwing the Patriots, when the guy whose injuries really hurt them the last few years was Gronk. Injured in the Superbowl, then injured prior to the next two postseason runs, he would have made a huge difference in all three. If Gronk stays healthy, you could make an argument that Brady easily wins a Superbowl that came down to another last minute drive, and might have gone deeper in each of the last two postseasons. Maybe not, we'll never know. But after investing huge money in Gronk, Hernandez and Amendola, they got nothing from them down the stretch.
2) I'm surprised people are talking about Amendola screwing the Patriots, when the guy whose injuries really hurt them the last few years was Gronk. Injured in the Superbowl, then injured prior to the next two postseason runs, he would have made a huge difference in all three. If Gronk stays healthy, you could make an argument that Brady easily wins a Superbowl that came down to another last minute drive, and might have gone deeper in each of the last two postseasons. Maybe not, we'll never know. But after investing huge money in Gronk, Hernandez and Amendola, they got nothing from them down the stretch.
Boston
Footballguy
The x-factor with the Pats WR corps is what they think about Dobson, Thompkins and Boyce...all three showed signs (in Boyce's case probably a glimpse) that they could turn into quality NFL WRs...what they think about them will dictate what they do this offseason...if they re-sign Edelman (which I hope they do) they could go into next season with the same five...if the three rookies project to make big strides next year and Amendola was playing hurt that could be OK as long as they add another high-quality TE...that has to be done...without Gronk the Pats basically played without a TE in the receiving game this year (how much easier is it to gameplan for them in that scenario)...and even with Gronk back they need another threat at that position (especially with his injury history)...now, if they don't think the rookies will be impactful next year or they don't re-sign Edelman bringing in a high-quality veteran turns into a must...I don't want to see them bring in another rookie...
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
He is injured all the time.Anarchy99 said:
2011-Almost the entire season
2012-Missed about half the season, only started 8 games
2013-$40M deal and he started a whopping 6 games.
15 games started out of a possible 48 in 3 years. The severity of the injuries, muscle off the groin bone, collarbone break, game day dysenteria, it doesn't matter. Does he have the heart of a lion? Sure but he has the body of a middle school kid compared to the folks who play at this level. He puts it on the line and does the best he can. I don't think anyone feels he doesn't try but many of us were on his tip when there was nothing in St Louis, then we re-evaluated him once he stopped finishing seasons and became more than a 3rd down novelty in the slot.
New England needs to arm Tom Brady with some weapons on par with what Denver has. I know the pats want to show they can win with tape and glue at the receiver spot but they need better. Manning has a stud #1, a potential HoF 100+ catch guy in Welker, then they have Decker who could start for any team and possible be the #1 option on a few of them. Add in a terrific TE an Denver is rolling.
In fairness to the Pats they did lose 2 huge weapons for Brady in Hernandez and Gronk which back in April at the draft they planned on rolling with those guys. New England will reload, probably go grab a nice TE vis FA, draft another, perhaps go after a decent WR although slim pickens in FA IMO. I expect them also to look at some potential blue chips in the NFL draft. Brady has got to talk to them and tell them what he needs or wants, they'll get it for him.
Balco
Footballguy
I see the Pats making a run at Emmanuel Sanders, and keeping Amendola. Maybe a mid round draft pick as well.
It is tight end that I see them focusing on. An early draft pick (s) and a big name free agent. It was this position that really hurt the Pats. I think they will be fine with Amendola, Emmanuel Sanders (or similar FA), Aaron Dobson, and Kenbrell Thompkins.
It is tight end that I see them focusing on. An early draft pick (s) and a big name free agent. It was this position that really hurt the Pats. I think they will be fine with Amendola, Emmanuel Sanders (or similar FA), Aaron Dobson, and Kenbrell Thompkins.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
For starters, Amendola got a $28.5 million contract, so you are off by $11.5 million. He played in 12 regular season games this year (albeit it banged up for most of them). His one healthy game this year he went for 10 and 100+. Yes, I get that he may only have one healthy game a year.
Say what you want about Welker, but his season in DEN started off with a bang and since then has been pretty much disappointing. Since the Broncos bye week, he missed 3 games and played in 7 others with a total of 33 catches for 299 yards and 2 TD. Not exactly earth shattering numbers.
We'll see how things turn out in the long run with Welker as a Bronco and Amendola as a Patriot. Too soon to tell.
As far as what the Pats should do with their roster, remember that teams don't have an unlimited supply of money. There's this thing called the salary cap. So if you load up on new receiving options in free agency or trades, that will weaken the team elsewhere. Given that the Pats are regularly in the running for a bye come playoff time, I would suggest they have done about as well as any team could in positioning themselves for the post season.
Their biggest issue has been having key guys get hurt at the absolute worst times heading into the playoffs. This year, I would guess other teams would have fallen to 5-11 or worse with the number of key injuries that NE had. HOU and ATL had a lot fewer injuries and still couldn't get to 5 wins.
Before we do the happy dance over Denver, let's see if 1) they actually win a SB and 2) if they can keep the team intact. I suspect that SEA will win and DEN will see some players (Decker and Moreno for example) will leave for more money elsewhere. DThomas, JThomas, and Welker will all be UFAs the following year.
nirad3
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
I have no issue with Ho-man as a third TE...he's a solid blocker and my guess is they can keep him on the cheap...I would really like to see the Pats stay clear of using a draft pick on another WR...you had three rookies this year and my guess is all three will be back...this unit doesn't need anymore youth...
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
They're better off with Year 2 of Dobson in system than Nicks/Britt. Britt will struggle to make it out of camp with new team & offense IMO.
Terpman22
Footballguy
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
That's all they need is another player who can't make it through a game without getting hurt.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Terpman22
Footballguy
Further proves the point Edelman had the quietest 100 catch season you will ever hear of. Mainly b/c you never hear of that actual fact.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
Nero
Footballguy
Julian Edelman did give them Welker's production. The Gronk/Hernandez parts were missing.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I think Dobson can be that guy with another year in the system. He looked good after getting off to a slow start, and then was banged up late in the year.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Pats 13 Jets 10
Jets 30 Pats 27
Pats 27 Phins 17
Phins 24 Pats 20
Didn't help them that much.
False Start
Footballguy
Why what has he done to you or anyone? I notice you love Richard Sherman though.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Since 2002 (the start of the current 8 division set up and scheduling system):
Best out of division record:
NEP 90-30 .750
IND 79-41 .658
PIT 71.5-48.5 .596
PHI 70.5-49.5 .588
ATL 70.5-49.5 .588
BAL 70-50 .583
DEN 69-51 .575
GBP 68-52 .567
NOS 68-52 .567
DAL 65-55 .542
TEN 64-56 .533
NYG 64-56 .533
CHI 62-58 .517
SEA 61-59 .508
NYJ 60-60 .500
Out of division record by division:
AFC East 259-221 ,540
NFC East 253.5-226.5 .528
NFC South 251.5-228.5 .524
AFC South 249-231 .519
AFC North 247-233 .510
AFC West 231-249 .481
NFC North 225-255 .469
NFC West 204-276 .425
I don't get why injuries are so often overlooked in these types of threads. I didn't touch Amendola this year. Sure, he got injured so it looks like the right move, but I'm not sure he wouldn't have been extremely productive if he hadn't had the groin injury. I may have been wrong on him. He's going to be on my radar next year. If his price is reasonable, which I think it will be, he should be worth the risk. He's had weird injuries. Not typical injury prone stuff like sprained ankles and knee ligaments.Anarchy99 said:
He's a guy that I'd feel apprehensive about owning, but I'd hate even more to see someone else snag him as their WR4.
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MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
The last thing the team needs is another expensive player that is hurt all the time. When the payoff is great, like Gronk, I accept it. When the payoff isn't as great, like Amendola, I do not. Might he be a fine player if he's healthy? Sure. A look at our WR corps can explain why we need healthy players instead of injured ones. That everyone saw Amendola's injury plagued season a mile away is the most frustrating aspect.
msommer
Footballguy
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
1st off, terrible signing by NE in an attempt to replace Welker and from the sounds of it their stuck with him for one more yr. The team has a lot of work to do this yr on offense; re-sign Edelman and perhaps look at another WR along w/ looking or a TE2.
msommer
Footballguy
Interestingly if the Pats keep Amendola in 2014 he will have cost 11.8m. Welker's contract with DEN was 12m for two years. I hope for the Pats he has a monster 2014 and that Talib makes it back in time for T/C. (Obviously none of this could have been foreseen at the time the decision was made).
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Not evenly REMOTELY close to accurate. He will get a base salary of $3 million for 2014. He has some incentives (like $30K per game played) and some others that are not specified in his public contract details that could get him another $500K-$1M.
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