Do you believe in JJ? (1 Viewer)

[Sugar Huddle]

I know he played against the Rams and has a history of having a good game occasionally and then disappearing. But with a new coach and no real TD vulture (Duckett) anymore can Julius Jones put up top 15 RB numbers in a PPR league? He worries me but strikes me as a possible breakout guy this year. Anyone else feel this way?

1100 rushing yards

45 catches + 375 receiving yards

6-8 TDs

Possible 240pts. this year.

Am I smoking something?

 

[Chaka]

You can't take away his one long carry but you can say that he looked pretty marginal on all but one carry vs the Rams.

The good news is that Walter Jones was back at practice this week.

Ultimately I think Jones is a serviceable flex RB but expect some big time duds, probably starting this week at Washington.

 

[awesomeness]

I know he played against the Rams and has a history of having a good game occasionally and then disappearing.

You've answered your own question right here.

 

[Knobs]

I expected him to finish in the 20-25 range before the season and I still expect that to be the case. I was on his bandwagon this offseason - he's the starter and the other options are worse than he is.

That said, let's not carried away. He's still Julius Jones and he played the Rams. Trade him while you can.

 

[Chaka]

Trade him while you can.

ThisHis value will never be higher.

 

[SuperGreen]

i believe...

that the rams are atrocious.

i also believe...

that julius will never be a consistent, good back.

 

[aburt19]

You can't take away his one long carry but you can say that he looked pretty marginal on all but one carry vs the Rams.The good news is that Walter Jones was back at practice this week.Ultimately I think Jones is a serviceable flex RB but expect some big time duds, probably starting this week at Washington.

He doesn't play Washington this week, St Louis does. Seattle plays San Francisco.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

He had back-to-back 1000 yard seasons splitting carries with Marion Barber. Why can't he get that many being the main guy in Seattle?

 

[Chaka]

You can't take away his one long carry but you can say that he looked pretty marginal on all but one carry vs the Rams.The good news is that Walter Jones was back at practice this week.Ultimately I think Jones is a serviceable flex RB but expect some big time duds, probably starting this week at Washington.

He doesn't play Washington this week, St Louis does. Seattle plays San Francisco.

Thanks, my bad.He could perform well against the Niners but he still strikes me as a sell high. I wouldn't want to rely on him to produce for 15 more games.

 

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

JJ had some good games last year, while Morris was hurt. He didn't disappear after that as much as Holmgren went back to Morris. Jones has several things working in his favor this year.

1. He is the lead back

2. He has a QB who defenses have to respect

3. Seattle has gone to a zone blockining scheme

I own JJ in several leagues this year and think at worst he is a flex, and at best he is a solid RB2

 

[Knobs]

I am such a believer in this guy in one league (16 teams) I actually drafted him as my #1 rb (Benson is my #2). Really, you won't find a much bigger supporter than me.

I do think he's serviceable. I do think he'll break 1,000 yards. But I don't think he has a chance to break the top ten. I really, really recommend trading him away if you can package him up to land a controversial stud who faltered in week one (LT, SJax, etc.).

 

[Todem]

JJ had some good games last year, while Morris was hurt. He didn't disappear after that as much as Holmgren went back to Morris. Jones has several things working in his favor this year.

1. He is the lead back

2. He has a QB who defenses have to respect

3. Seattle has gone to a zone blockining scheme

I own JJ in several leagues this year and think at worst he is a flex, and at best he is a solid RB2

Spoken like a true JJ owner. The guy flat out sucks.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I posted this in the spotlight thread for Jones when Duckett was still around......

Julius is a descent blocker and has descent hands. With the loss of Morris who was used often as the 3rd down back the last few seasons, Julius should be out on the field more which would give him an opportunity for more touches.

Duckett is clearly going to be the short yardage guy and the touch down vulture. But Jones should have the opportunity to be a viable RB 2 in fantasy this season. And at the very least a very good spot starter against bad run defenses.

-14.5 rush attempts a game over a 16 game schedule would be 232 rush attempts and at 4.4 ypc (which he did last season would put Jones at 1020 yards rushing on the season, and tack on 5 rushing TD's

-2 caches a game over the 16 game schedule would be 32 receptions, at 7 ypc would be 224 yards and 1 recieving TD

-1020 rushing yards

-224 recieving yards

-1244 total yards

-6 total TD's

Those that are claiming Jones is going to be part of a RBBC, who is he going to lose those touches to?

(RotoWire) Jones likes the new zone blocking scheme implemented by new head coach Jim Mora Jr. and should see a bulk of the carries this season, the Tacoma News Tribune reports.

Analysis: Maurice Morris went to Detroit over the offseason, so Jones will be the clear feature back. He likes the fact that their are less decisions to make in a zone scheme, however Mora noted that Jones and the other backs still need to work on developing patience before making an upfield cut.

 

[Chaka]

JJ had some good games last year, while Morris was hurt. He didn't disappear after that as much as Holmgren went back to Morris. Jones has several things working in his favor this year.

1. He is the lead back

2. He has a QB who defenses have to respect

3. Seattle has gone to a zone blockining scheme

I own JJ in several leagues this year and think at worst he is a flex, and at best he is a solid RB2

Spoken like a true JJ owner. The guy flat out sucks.

Spoken like someone who doesn't even try to provide any sort of meaningful argument to support his position. Why bother posting?I think JJ is little more than a marginal RB but he has one thing that many more talented RBs lack, which is opportunity. He has a legitimate chance to touch the ball close to 300 times this season (I am of the opinion that mediocre as he is JJ is better than Edge at this point in their careers) and with a workload like that even a marginal RB can provide a meaningful contribution to a fantasy team.

I do not own him in my league.

 

[Todem]

JJ had some good games last year, while Morris was hurt. He didn't disappear after that as much as Holmgren went back to Morris. Jones has several things working in his favor this year.

1. He is the lead back

2. He has a QB who defenses have to respect

3. Seattle has gone to a zone blockining scheme

I own JJ in several leagues this year and think at worst he is a flex, and at best he is a solid RB2

Spoken like a true JJ owner. The guy flat out sucks.

Spoken like someone who doesn't even try to provide any sort of meaningful argument to support his position. Why bother posting?I think JJ is little more than a marginal RB but he has one thing that many more talented RBs lack, which is opportunity. He has a legitimate chance to touch the ball close to 300 times this season (I am of the opinion that mediocre as he is JJ is better than Edge at this point in their careers) and with a workload like that even a marginal RB can provide a meaningful contribution to a fantasy team.

I do not own him in my league.

Seriously...his resume speaks for itself...do I really need to post oodles of failed seasons The guy is super ordinary...they signed Edge and as soon as he gets his football legs back he will start taking away carries....Forest is also in the mix on third downs.Please man. JJ stinks. He had plenty of opportunity in Dallas and was given the boot....what more needs to be said?

Oh and if I want to post...I will post. You don't like it....move on to the next post. No one told you to read it. <_<

 

[Chaka]

JJ had some good games last year, while Morris was hurt. He didn't disappear after that as much as Holmgren went back to Morris. Jones has several things working in his favor this year.

1. He is the lead back

2. He has a QB who defenses have to respect

3. Seattle has gone to a zone blockining scheme

I own JJ in several leagues this year and think at worst he is a flex, and at best he is a solid RB2

Spoken like a true JJ owner. The guy flat out sucks.

Spoken like someone who doesn't even try to provide any sort of meaningful argument to support his position. Why bother posting?I think JJ is little more than a marginal RB but he has one thing that many more talented RBs lack, which is opportunity. He has a legitimate chance to touch the ball close to 300 times this season (I am of the opinion that mediocre as he is JJ is better than Edge at this point in their careers) and with a workload like that even a marginal RB can provide a meaningful contribution to a fantasy team.

I do not own him in my league.

Seriously...his resume speaks for itself...do I really need to post oodles of failed seasons The guy is super ordinary...they signed Edge and as soon as he gets his football legs back he will start taking away carries....Forest is also in the mix on third downs.Please man. JJ stinks. He had plenty of opportunity in Dallas and was given the boot....what more needs to be said?

Oh and if I want to post...I will post. You don't like it....move on to the next post. No one told you to read it.

Thank you. I am guilty myself of reducing analysis to simple and scathing insults (see Russell, Jamarcus) but I prefer to hear a reasoning behind the analysis.JJ is mediocre but he has the opportunities and that is all you can hope for from a fantasy back. I don't think it is a guarantee the Edge, at this stage of his career, is an upgrade over JJ who is three years younger with a lot less mileage.

Go forth and post young man.

 

[puckalicious]

Remember last year when he started out hot for 2 games?

 

[Mmen of Steel]

JJ had some good games last year, while Morris was hurt. He didn't disappear after that as much as Holmgren went back to Morris. Jones has several things working in his favor this year.

1. He is the lead back

2. He has a QB who defenses have to respect

3. Seattle has gone to a zone blockining scheme

I own JJ in several leagues this year and think at worst he is a flex, and at best he is a solid RB2

JJ owner here too I think he a flex at best. I am starting him against SF this week. There is no harm in keeping him on the bench, as opposed to trading him.

 

[Callas Disregard]

JJ had some good games last year, while Morris was hurt. He didn't disappear after that as much as Holmgren went back to Morris. Jones has several things working in his favor this year.

1. He is the lead back

2. He has a QB who defenses have to respect

3. Seattle has gone to a zone blockining scheme

I own JJ in several leagues this year and think at worst he is a flex, and at best he is a solid RB2

Spoken like a true JJ owner. The guy flat out sucks.

Spoken like someone who doesn't even try to provide any sort of meaningful argument to support his position. Why bother posting?I think JJ is little more than a marginal RB but he has one thing that many more talented RBs lack, which is opportunity. He has a legitimate chance to touch the ball close to 300 times this season (I am of the opinion that mediocre as he is JJ is better than Edge at this point in their careers) and with a workload like that even a marginal RB can provide a meaningful contribution to a fantasy team.

I do not own him in my league.

Seriously...his resume speaks for itself...do I really need to post oodles of failed seasons The guy is super ordinary...they signed Edge and as soon as he gets his football legs back he will start taking away carries....Forest is also in the mix on third downs.Please man. JJ stinks. He had plenty of opportunity in Dallas and was given the boot....what more needs to be said?

Oh and if I want to post...I will post. You don't like it....move on to the next post. No one told you to read it.

Thomas Jones was a bust for several seasons with Arizona before emerging as a quality RB. Maybe it's genetic, in which case JJ still has a chance to turn it around.

 

[texasbirdfan]

I posted this in the spotlight thread for Jones when Duckett was still around......

Julius is a descent blocker and has descent hands. With the loss of Morris who was used often as the 3rd down back the last few seasons, Julius should be out on the field more which would give him an opportunity for more touches.

Duckett is clearly going to be the short yardage guy and the touch down vulture. But Jones should have the opportunity to be a viable RB 2 in fantasy this season. And at the very least a very good spot starter against bad run defenses.

-14.5 rush attempts a game over a 16 game schedule would be 232 rush attempts and at 4.4 ypc (which he did last season would put Jones at 1020 yards rushing on the season, and tack on 5 rushing TD's

-2 caches a game over the 16 game schedule would be 32 receptions, at 7 ypc would be 224 yards and 1 recieving TD

-1020 rushing yards

-224 recieving yards

-1244 total yards

-6 total TD's

Those that are claiming Jones is going to be part of a RBBC, who is he going to lose those touches to?

(RotoWire) Jones likes the new zone blocking scheme implemented by new head coach Jim Mora Jr. and should see a bulk of the carries this season, the Tacoma News Tribune reports.

Analysis: Maurice Morris went to Detroit over the offseason, so Jones will be the clear feature back. He likes the fact that their are less decisions to make in a zone scheme, however Mora noted that Jones and the other backs still need to work on developing patience before making an upfield cut.

Seattle must have picked Duckett up after waiving him a couple of weeks ago? Anyway OC Greg Knapp, plus his zone blocking background with Alex Gibbs = huge running game.I probably start JJ this week due to LT going down.

 

[UnknownCoach]

He's been a starting NFL RB for how many years now?

He's a legit RB, he's just never really been used as an every down back. He probably wont get a lot of 20 carry games in Seattle this year either, but he is and always has been a good RB.

 

[Banger]

cmon. that was his game of the year. He's terrible. They shook the mothballs off Edge he's so bad.

 

[menobrown]

JJ had some good games last year, while Morris was hurt. He didn't disappear after that as much as Holmgren went back to Morris.

That's exactly right. Even more so if you look at JJ's history he performs much better when he gets more carries and seems to crumble when put into a RBBC. So long as the new coaching staff continues to feature him I feel pretty confident of him performing well and based on past history I think he gets his carries. In Mora Jr's and Knapps time in Atlanta everyone says they did a RBBC but really Dunn got 19 touches a game and I believe we see a similar usage pattern with JJ.

 

[Chaka]

Despite his potential upside JJ also has a huge downside.

Sell high.

 

[Wally Cleaver]

Things to really like about JJ...

***Almost no competition for carries

***A coaching staff that has focused on the run and has had a ton of success running the ball in the past

***The easiest schedule in the league to run against, seriously it is cupcake city nearly every week...

***An offense that can move the ball through the air and has plenty of weapons.

I would be careful selling him too cheaply, there are very few backs out there that have the situation JJ does this year... Just sayin...

 

[amnesiac]

really when you weigh the potential upside against what you will get in return for "selling high" at this point, i'm not sure why you'd get rid of this guy right now.

if you have him on your roster, just keep him there. start him if you have to and just hope for the best.

 

[basher]

I remember seeing the rules of julius back in the day when he ran for the c-boys and just saw it reposted again in the SI.com fantasy article today ... here is a refresher on what it is like to be a JJ owner:

5. Respect 'The Julius Rules' Code: While doing a round of fantasy-related interviews on sports-talk radio this week, I curiously answered several Julius Jones queries mostly from callers convinced that JJ has turned a corner in his fantasy metamorphosis. With this stunning revelation still on the brain, it's time to dust off The Julius Rules, a series of hard-and-fast measures for sitting or starting fantasy football's most confounding primary back:

**Always start Julius against mediocre-to-bad defenses AT HOME: Against the Rams, 49ers, Cardinals, Lions and Bucs, he's a certifiable lock for 110 total yards and/or one touchdown this season.

**Only consider Julius as a flex starter against good-to-great defenses AT HOME: This includes the Jags, Bears and Titans in 2009. Yes, those defenses are highly respected, but Julius gets great bounce off the Flubber turf at Qwest Field (averaging 92.9 total yards and .66 TDs his last nine games at Seattle).

**Never start -- or even considering starting -- Jones on the road: His last 100-yard game on a roadie was October 2006 (vs. Philly), while playing for Dallas. Enough said.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/fant...l#ixzz0RWbVknPd

 

[UnknownCoach]

I wouldnt say the staff is focused on the run. When he had to work with Vick yeah but Mora comes from the west coast school. He kept trying to change the offense around in Atlanta to use Vick's talent. Yet if it had been his choice, he probably would have rather worked with Schaub. Its not a spread shotgun no huddle pass pass pass all game, but its definately not a bulldozer offense. The short passes set up the draws.

 

[Wally Cleaver]

I wouldnt say the staff is focused on the run. When he had to work with Vick yeah but Mora comes from the west coast school. He kept trying to change the offense around in Atlanta to use Vick's talent. Yet if it had been his choice, he probably would have rather worked with Schaub. Its not a spread shotgun no huddle pass pass pass all game, but its definately not a bulldozer offense. The short passes set up the draws.

Lets just say that this coaching staff and Knapp in particular has had a lot of success running the ball, I would expect that is part of his makeup as a coordinator.

 

[PDX Pain]

Things to really like about JJ...***Almost no competition for carries***A coaching staff that has focused on the run and has had a ton of success running the ball in the past***The easiest schedule in the league to run against, seriously it is cupcake city nearly every week...***An offense that can move the ball through the air and has plenty of weapons.I would be careful selling him too cheaply, there are very few backs out there that have the situation JJ does this year... Just sayin...

Yep. Couldn't have said it better.

 

[Largie]

Things to really like about JJ...***Almost no competition for carries***A coaching staff that has focused on the run and has had a ton of success running the ball in the past***The easiest schedule in the league to run against, seriously it is cupcake city nearly every week...***An offense that can move the ball through the air and has plenty of weapons.I would be careful selling him too cheaply, there are very few backs out there that have the situation JJ does this year... Just sayin...

Yep. Couldn't have said it better.

 

[Mikey16x]

Actually opened a thread just like this before the season started... and actually said that I'm going to draft him as my #4 running back... watch him blow up against the rams, then sell high. I actually went a step above and beyond and hunted down a nervous owner of a guy that had a bad week 1.. managed to land Steve Smith (Car) for JJ and Chris Henry.. redraft.

 

[two_dollars]

By the end of the year, there will be a roller coaster named "The Julius Jones."

 

[puckalicious]

Actually opened a thread just like this before the season started... and actually said that I'm going to draft him as my #4 running back... watch him blow up against the rams, then sell high. I actually went a step above and beyond and hunted down a nervous owner of a guy that had a bad week 1.. managed to land Steve Smith (Car) for JJ and Chris Henry.. redraft.

Wow. Great move.

 

[Chaka]

really when you weigh the potential upside against what you will get in return for "selling high" at this point, i'm not sure why you'd get rid of this guy right now.

if you have him on your roster, just keep him there. start him if you have to and just hope for the best.

Because his downside is lower than just about every other starting RB in the league.

 

[mystykoekaki]

I don't know exactly where I heard it from but I think the announcers mentioned a little tid-bit that stuck with me about Julius (which is why I now own him in a redraft). They mentioned that when Jim Mora Jr. was coaching in ATL they had the best rushing offense for two years. Furthermore I was thinking, Dunn and Julius have a similar frame (with Julius being heavier of the two). So if Dunn can get it done, I'm sure Julius can.

Plus Walter Jones might be coming back soon....just something to consider, food for thought!

 

[Chaka]

I don't know exactly where I heard it from but I think the announcers mentioned a little tid-bit that stuck with me about Julius (which is why I now own him in a redraft). They mentioned that when Jim Mora Jr. was coaching in ATL they had the best rushing offense for two years. Furthermore I was thinking, Dunn and Julius have a similar frame (with Julius being heavier of the two). So if Dunn can get it done, I'm sure Julius can. Plus Walter Jones might be coming back soon....just something to consider, food for thought!

A huge part of that best rushing offense in Atlanta was because of many, many unscripted Mike Vick scrambles.Maybe we can get SSOG to see where the ATL rushing attack would have ranked without Vick contributing 700-1000 yards per year.

 

[the rover]

I don't know exactly where I heard it from but I think the announcers mentioned a little tid-bit that stuck with me about Julius (which is why I now own him in a redraft). They mentioned that when Jim Mora Jr. was coaching in ATL they had the best rushing offense for two years. Furthermore I was thinking, Dunn and Julius have a similar frame (with Julius being heavier of the two). So if Dunn can get it done, I'm sure Julius can. Plus Walter Jones might be coming back soon....just something to consider, food for thought!

A huge part of that best rushing offense in Atlanta was because of many, many unscripted Mike Vick scrambles.Maybe we can get SSOG to see where the ATL rushing attack would have ranked without Vick contributing 700-1000 yards per year.

Gregg Knapp, who is now the Seahawks OC, was in Atlanta with Mora...he then went to the Raiders and managed to get them to the 6th ranked rushing offense in the NFL even though they were losing games and relying on Justin Fargas. This offense will run the ball, and with the receivers they have nobody's going to be able to stack the box against them. I think Edge is going to get more carries and Forsett will get a lot of third downs. Jones will be decent, but not great. I agree with others that serviceable is about the best you can expect.

 

[Hooper31]

Gregg Knapp, who is now the Seahawks OC, was in Atlanta with Mora...he then went to the Raiders and managed to get them to the 6th ranked rushing offense in the NFL even though they were losing games and relying on Justin Fargas. This offense will run the ball, and with the receivers they have nobody's going to be able to stack the box against them.

I think Edge is going to get more carries and Forsett will get a lot of third downs. Jones will be decent, but not great. I agree with others that serviceable is about the best you can expect.

I'm not so convinced with this thinking. I've read it a lot, but I think the reason Knapp ran the ball so much in ATL and OAK was more personnel, not desire. I see Hasselbeck and the quality passing targets he has as a new toy for Knapp. He hasn't had the controls of something like this since he was first an OC in San Francisco when Garcia had one of his best statistical seasons.

 

[texasbirdfan]

Gregg Knapp, who is now the Seahawks OC, was in Atlanta with Mora...he then went to the Raiders and managed to get them to the 6th ranked rushing offense in the NFL even though they were losing games and relying on Justin Fargas. This offense will run the ball, and with the receivers they have nobody's going to be able to stack the box against them.

I think Edge is going to get more carries and Forsett will get a lot of third downs. Jones will be decent, but not great. I agree with others that serviceable is about the best you can expect.

I'm not so convinced with this thinking. I've read it a lot, but I think the reason Knapp ran the ball so much in ATL and OAK was more personnel, not desire. I see Hasselbeck and the quality passing targets he has as a new toy for Knapp. He hasn't had the controls of something like this since he was first an OC in San Francisco when Garcia had one of his best statistical seasons.

...and I believe Knapp ran the ball a lot then too...

 

[Hooper31]

Gregg Knapp, who is now the Seahawks OC, was in Atlanta with Mora...he then went to the Raiders and managed to get them to the 6th ranked rushing offense in the NFL even though they were losing games and relying on Justin Fargas. This offense will run the ball, and with the receivers they have nobody's going to be able to stack the box against them.

I think Edge is going to get more carries and Forsett will get a lot of third downs. Jones will be decent, but not great. I agree with others that serviceable is about the best you can expect.

I'm not so convinced with this thinking. I've read it a lot, but I think the reason Knapp ran the ball so much in ATL and OAK was more personnel, not desire. I see Hasselbeck and the quality passing targets he has as a new toy for Knapp. He hasn't had the controls of something like this since he was first an OC in San Francisco when Garcia had one of his best statistical seasons.

...and I believe Knapp ran the ball a lot then too...

I don't disagree. Here are some numbers. However, just like in ATL, Knapp had a mobile QB in Garcia. Garcia was accounting for a lot of rushing attempts and TDs just like Vick.2001:

506 pass att and 32 TDs

509 rush att and 16 TDs Note: QB Garcia lead the team in rushing TDs with 5 (72 att by Garcia)

2002:

571 pass att and 23 TDs

489 rush att and 16 TDs Garcia with 3 TDs (73 att by Garcia)

2003:

511 pass att and 25 TDs

499 rush att and 16 TDs Garcia again leads team in rushing TDs with 7 (56 att by Garcia)

The difference with his current roster is Hasselbeck. Nobody is going to mistake Hasselbeck for a "scrambling" QB. Dude isn't leaving the pocket. This is a new experience for Knapp, so I expect him to call more straight pass plays. Time will tell. If I'm wrong in my assessment I won't be shocked. My guess (correct me if I'm wrong) is that the majority of those rushing attempts by Garcia were pass plays that he ended up scrambling.

 

[amnesiac]

really when you weigh the potential upside against what you will get in return for "selling high" at this point, i'm not sure why you'd get rid of this guy right now.

if you have him on your roster, just keep him there. start him if you have to and just hope for the best.

Because his downside is lower than just about every other starting RB in the league.

ok, but what are you going to get for the guy? my point is that he's not worth anything in a trade so you might as well try to play the matchups.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Just traded him for Steve Smith (NYG) in a dynasty PPR league. He probably never would have gotten into my starting lineup.

 

[Chaka]

really when you weigh the potential upside against what you will get in return for "selling high" at this point, i'm not sure why you'd get rid of this guy right now.

if you have him on your roster, just keep him there. start him if you have to and just hope for the best.

Because his downside is lower than just about every other starting RB in the league.

ok, but what are you going to get for the guy? my point is that he's not worth anything in a trade so you might as well try to play the matchups.

Not sure. I imagine you would have to package him with another player for an upgrade. He is a very solid trade sweetener for a RB deep team that needs help at WR.I can see playing matchups with the guy but I just don't see him having consistent value in your lineup and some of those matchup plays will backfire.

 

[Mikey16x]

really when you weigh the potential upside against what you will get in return for "selling high" at this point, i'm not sure why you'd get rid of this guy right now.if you have him on your roster, just keep him there. start him if you have to and just hope for the best.

You can get a lot in return right now.. you just have to find the right team. A lot of teams panic after week 1 and look for a quick fix, you can capitalize with a guy like JJ. He looks decent, situation is great.. but don't let that fool you... you might not have been one of the many owners burned by him in the past. I on the other hand, have been. I drafted him with only one intention, to trade him. He always comes out hot... looks like a great guy to have for depth.. he's not. Right now he's my Flex starter, but since I landed Steve Smith (Car) for him, I believe I upgraded my flex.