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Do you play in a big play league? (1 Viewer)

Does your league separate the DT and CB positions?

  • Yes, both DT and CB are separate positions

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Yes, but only DTs are separate

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Yes, but only CBs are separate

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No, we don't separate out DT or CB

    Votes: 0 0.0%
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Jene Bramel

Jene Bramel

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With the big influx of IDP newbies (particularly the Yahoo crowd), it seems we're seeing more and more "big play" scoring systems embedded in the WDID and WSIS threads this past couple of weeks.

It's generally thought that a neutral league follows these parameters...

Sacks = 3x tackle

PD = tackle

INT = 4x tackle

FF/FR = 2x tackle

...and this is the distribution we've decided to use for our FBG rankings and projections.

I know many of us use some decimals in the scoring to tailor the system to what we'd like the relative value of every offensive and defensive position to be and the various types of players (rush OLB vs plugger MLB, cover corner vs strong safety).

I'm curious what the distribution of scoring systems is becoming as new leagues start and IDP leagues take over the universe. I'm also curious how many leagues are splitting DT and CB into separate positions. Many of us are in multiple leagues -- choose your favorite or most established league for the purposes of this poll.

What does your league look like and why?

Do we need to reconsider the "standard" IDP league setup?

What say ye veterans and newbies alike?

 
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:shock:

That is the sickest poll ever. You have to be a mod to figure it out, huh? ;)

Ok, lemme go vote.

Our scoring:

Tackle - 1pt

Sack - 4pt's (2pt's per half)

INT - 5pts

FF - 2pts

FR - 3pts

Pass Def, - 1pt

 
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:shock: That is the sickest poll ever. You have to be a mod to figure it out, huh? ;) Ok, lemme go vote.
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Yeah, I had to ask the upper level IQ guys for help. Us defensive grunts struggle with math and stuff.It is multiple choice, though, so we've got that going for us........which is nice.
 
I have played in a league before that does not separate the DB's. I completely and utterly love them separated. Adds more of a strategy to the game.

 
Chaos Commish said:
Jene Bramel said:
Sacks = 3x tackleFF/FR = 2x tackle
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Is this standard? I guess nothing is truly standard, but it seems that FF/FR = Sack (at least in 3 of my 4 IDP leagues), and the one differing is FF = Sack < FR.
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Probably not. It's over-simplified. Most of my leagues work under a similar setup to yours -- FF < sack = FR. I just defaulted to our FBG system which comes up for discussion each season.
 
The league I play in awards points dependent on position. We do not seperate DT/DE or CB/S.

Ex:

DL sack = 10 points

LB sack = 10 points

DB sack = 14 points

DL int = 20 points

LB int = 15 points

DB int = 15 points

DL solo = 4 points

LB solo = 3 points

DB solo = 3 points

DL assist = 2 points

LB assist = 1 points

DB assist = 1 points

all PD = 5 points

all FR = 15 points

 
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Solo Tackle 1

Asst Tackle 0.5

Pass defensed 1

Sack 3 (half sack=1.5)

Interception 3

Fumble forced 2

Fumble recovery 1

TD 6 (all TDs, whether on offense, defense, or special teams)

Safety 3

 
New league I joined this summer....53 man rosters, start 11 defensive players, various formations.

Scoring:

TD = 6 pts

FR = 2 pts

FF = 1 pt

INT = 2 pts

PD = 1 pt

sack = 3 pts

safety = 10 pts

Tackles are different by position..DL, LB, DB, which I like because it evens out value a lot

DL

tackles = 3 pts

assist = 2 pts

LB

tackles = 1.5 pts

assist = 1 pt

DB

tackles = 2 pts

assist = 1 pt

 
Three leagues, one who might be inching toward big play but for DB only

1) start 2 DL (de/dt), 2 LB, 2 DB 1 flex - tackles 2 pt per solo, 1 per asst. Bonus for 5 tackles (3 pt). Sack 4, FF/FR 2 pt, INT 3 pt, PD 1 pt

2) start 3 DB, 4 DL (de/dt/lb), tackles 1, assist 0.5, sack or FF or FR 2, INT 3, PD 1

3) Start 2 DL (de/dt), 3 LB, 2 DB, 1 Flex (DL/DB). tackles 2 pt per solo, 1 per asst. Sack 4, FF/FR 2 pt, INT 5 pt, PD 2 pt

 
Our scoring:

Sack, INT, Fumble Recovery - 10 pts

1/2 sack - 5 pts

Forced Fumble - 5 pts

Safety - 15 pts

INT or Fumble recovery TD - 20 pts

Passed Def - 2 pts

Tackle - 5pts for 1st, 3 pts each up to 6, then 5 pts each after that. (I tend to average this as 3.5 per tackle for projections).

Assist - 1 pt

"Regular" scoring is as follows:

All TD's - 10 pts

Passing Yards - 1 pt per 10 yds

Rush and Rec Yards - 1 pt per 5 yds

INT and Fumbles - -10 pts (ouch)

1 pt per reception

There are a lot more but those are the basics.

I know this looks weird as it did to me when I joined the league. But it's very balanced to all positions. And it's a high total score. If you don't score 400 pts you're probably not going to win.

Do give an idea of some points, Joey Porter scores 61 pts this past Thursday (on the bench, doh!)

Willie Parker got 28 pts (no score)

Culpepper got 7 due to turnovers, Batch had 48.

It's very much a big play reward type league and is quite fun to play in. When I do projections for defense I typically ignore TD's (like who can predict an IDP TD anyway) and I'll take a close look each week at predicted "big plays" as that can really through off a projection.

 
My league is a 14-team IDP dynasty league with 40-man rosters. We separate DT's and CB's (which I love), and you have to start a 3-3-4 base defense, with the last player essentially being a swing player that can be from any position.

sacks - 4 points

INT's - 5 points

FR's - 2 points

Tackles - 1 pt per tackle (.5 pts per assist)

 
14 man league 35 man roster start 2 dl,3lb,3 db

DB's

Interceptions 4 points each

Passes Defensed 2.0 points each

Tackles 2 points each

Assists 5 points each

Sacked a QB 2.5 point for every .5

LB's

Interceptions Caught 4 points each

Passes Defensed 1 point each

Tackles 1.5 points each

Assists .5 points each

Sacked a QB 2 point for every .5

DB's

Interceptions Caught 5 points each

Passes Defensed 2 points each

Tackles 1.5 points each

Assists .5 points each

Sacked a QB 2.5 point for every .5

 
My league also has varied scoring by position for tackles, and we start 11 in a 4-3-4 or 3-4-4:

Scoring:

TD = 6 pts

FR = 3 pts

FF = 4 pt

INT = 6 pts

PD = 1 pt

sack = 3 pts per 0.5 sack

safety = 6 pts

block punt/fg = 6 pts

block PAT = 3 pts

Tackles are different by position

DL

tackles = 3 pts

assist = 2 pts

LB

tackles = 2 pts

assist = 1 pt

DB

tackles = 2 pts

assist = 1 pt

 
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with alot of your co-workers:

Defense:

Tackle = 1.6 pts

Assist = 0.8 pts

INT = 5 pts

Sack = 5 pts

Half-sack = 2.5 pts

Safety = 6 pts

Forced fumble = 3 pts

Recovered fumble = 2 pts

Passes defended = 1 pt

Blocked FG or punt = 3 pts

Defensive touchdowns – (includes kickoff, punt, blocked FG, fumble, INT return TD) =

0-39 yards = 6 pts

40+ yards = 10 pts

 
Does your league separate the DT and CB positions?Yes, both DT and CB are separate positions [ 7 ] [20.00%]Yes, but only DTs are separate [ 0 ] [0.00%]Yes, but only CBs are separate [ 3 ] [8.57%]No, we don't separate out DT or CB [ 25 ] [71.43%] :shock:

This number is staggering. I would have expected the non-seperated leagues to have more but not at a 80/20 clip. The separation of those positions is essential IMO.

 
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waiver wire said:
14 man league 35 man roster start 2 dl,3lb,3 dbDB'sInterceptions 4 points each Passes Defensed 2.0 points each Tackles 2 points each Assists 5 points each Sacked a QB 2.5 point for every .5 LB'sInterceptions Caught 4 points each Passes Defensed 1 point each Tackles 1.5 points each Assists .5 points each Sacked a QB 2 point for every .5 DB'sInterceptions Caught 5 points each Passes Defensed 2 points each Tackles 1.5 points each Assists .5 points each Sacked a QB 2.5 point for every .5
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i forgot to addAll positionsforced fumbles 3ptsfumble recoveries 2pts
 
The Gator said:
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Does your league separate the DT and CB positions?Yes, both DT and CB are separate positions	 [ 7 ]	 [20.00%]Yes, but only DTs are separate	 [ 0 ]	 [0.00%]Yes, but only CBs are separate	 [ 3 ]	 [8.57%]No, we don't separate out DT or CB	 [ 25 ]	 [71.43%]
:shock: This number is staggering. I would have expected the non-seperated leagues to have more but not at a 80/20 clip. The separation of those positions is essential IMO.
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There are alot of posters on here that participate in Zealots leagues. With 48 leagues and 12 owners each... Would be interesting to see the amount of non-Zealot voting.
 
reg said:
There are alot of posters on here that participate in Zealots leagues. With 48 leagues and 12 owners each... Would be interesting to see the amount of non-Zealot voting.
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I am in 2 non-Zealot leagues and both of those leagues do not seperate DL and DB. Although, I would like to implement this in the future as I feel it would allow the coaches to use more strategy.
 
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Does your league separate the DT and CB positions?Yes, both DT and CB are separate positions	 [ 7 ]	 [20.00%]Yes, but only DTs are separate	 [ 0 ]	 [0.00%]Yes, but only CBs are separate	 [ 3 ]	 [8.57%]No, we don't separate out DT or CB	 [ 25 ]	 [71.43%]
:shock: This number is staggering. I would have expected the non-seperated leagues to have more but not at a 80/20 clip. The separation of those positions is essential IMO.
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With the amount of problems there are with these hybrid players between if a player is a DE or OLB no way we want to deal with weekly crying of if a player is a DT or a DE in those growing number of D's that run half the game 4-3 and the other half 3-4. I personally wouldn't have an issue with breaking out a CB from S as that's much easier to figure out.Overall it's just easier. :bag:
 
bonscott said:
The Gator said:
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Does your league separate the DT and CB positions?Yes, both DT and CB are separate positions	 [ 7 ]	 [20.00%]Yes, but only DTs are separate	 [ 0 ]	 [0.00%]Yes, but only CBs are separate	 [ 3 ]	 [8.57%]No, we don't separate out DT or CB	 [ 25 ]	 [71.43%]
:shock: This number is staggering. I would have expected the non-seperated leagues to have more but not at a 80/20 clip. The separation of those positions is essential IMO.
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With the amount of problems there are with these hybrid players between if a player is a DE or OLB no way we want to deal with weekly crying of if a player is a DT or a DE in those growing number of D's that run half the game 4-3 and the other half 3-4. I personally wouldn't have an issue with breaking out a CB from S as that's much easier to figure out.Overall it's just easier. :bag:
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:goodposting: Plus, you would have to find a fantasy football site to host your league which allows for the breakdown between DE/DT and CB/S.
 
Hmm, I apparently voted back then, but didn't post.

Local league in it's 14th season-

Start 3 DL, 3 LB, 3 DB-

Solo---1 point

Sack--6 points

Int.--- 8 points + 1 per 10 return yards

TD-----6 points + 1 per 10 return yards

That's the way it has always been and won't change. Same commish from the start, many league members 10+ years. 12 teams. We don't even have a league web site. We still do it the old fashioned way- pen, meet paper. Commish uses ms word for rosters and weekly results and sends them out weekly after free agent moves (1 per week per team) . I still have a lot of that stuff going back into the 90's. 32 man rosters, 16 total starters, no TE :shock:

 
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16 team league. Start 3-3-3 with 2 flex but only 1 per position. Tackesl 1 Aassit .5 Sacks 4 Int 5 FF 2 FR 3

 
I'm in 6, all are slightly different but none are big play.

The only 2 the separate CB, DL are a 32 team and one of the 16 team leagues

 
bonscott said:
nortobc said:
Plus, you would have to find a fantasy football site to host your league which allows for the breakdown between DE/DT and CB/S.
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FYI that Myfantasyleague has supported this for some time for those looking for such a host.
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ESPN seperates them too if you like.Our league 5. 7 to 1 Big Play

D, DB, S, CB, LB, DL, DE, DT

Tackle .7 Assist .3

FF/INT/Sack 4

FR 3

PD 2

TD 7

 
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