Do you think Manning is consciously trying to set a 300-yd game record (2 Viewers)

[tombonneau]

Am I the only one that thought Manning was calling plays at the end of that game with 3-4 minutes left just because he knew he was about 12 yards away from 300 and wanted to keep his streak alive?

That game was over, and pretty sure he threw on second down after a run. Don't get me wrong as a Manning owner I loved it and I'm not one to call foul when a team is throwing when they're up and the game is over (the defense is getting paid, too), just was curious as to others opinions.

Manning definitely comes off as a record/stats conscious type of guy, and my guess is he is out to put up serious numbers this year. Thoughts?

 

[Mr. Black]

IMO I don't think Manning cares about that record. I think he wanted to get a 1st down to make sure the Titans didn't get the ball back. They can't run the ball so they need to pass to keep the chains moving and the clock running.

 

[Aardvarks]

Of course he was. Manning is cognizant of all NFL QB marks, a true student of history. He only needed 12 more yards so he went ahead and got them. The Colts weren't trying to run it up- and even if they were, Jeff Fisher doesn't care.

 

[zed2283]

IMO I don't think Manning cares about that record. I think he wanted to get a 1st down to make sure the Titans didn't get the ball back. They can't run the ball so they need to pass to keep the chains moving and the clock running.

Ridiculous. He absolutely knew what he was doing.

 

[JohnnyU]

I don't see anything wrong with it, and for all you Manning haters out there, Brady would have done the same damn thing. What the hell was he supposed to do not go after 12 yards?

 

[theplayer11]

LOL...manning always pads his stats....is this even a debate?

 

[JohnnyU]

LOL...manning always pads his stats....is this even a debate?

....and Brady didn't the year he broke Manning's record? Hell, Brady kept throwing the ball while up by 45.

 

[zed2283]

LOL...manning always pads his stats....is this even a debate?

....and Brady didn't the year he broke Manning's record? Hell, they were throwing up by 45.

Sure he did, for one year. Manning has made a career out of it.

 

[JohnnyU]

LOL...manning always pads his stats....is this even a debate?

....and Brady didn't the year he broke Manning's record? Hell, they were throwing up by 45.

Sure he did, for one year. Manning has made a career out of it.

Yeah, that's makes it ok for one and not the other, lol.

 

[JohnnyU]

LOL...manning always pads his stats....is this even a debate?

....and Brady didn't the year he broke Manning's record? Hell, they were throwing up by 45.

Sure he did, for one year. Manning has made a career out of it.

So are you saying he shouldn't have gone for 12 more yards?

 

[zed2283]

LOL...manning always pads his stats....is this even a debate?

....and Brady didn't the year he broke Manning's record? Hell, they were throwing up by 45.

Sure he did, for one year. Manning has made a career out of it.

Yeah, that's makes it ok for one and not the other, lol.

I'm not saying it's ok one way or the other, just calling a spade a spade.

 

[JohnnyU]

LOL...manning always pads his stats....is this even a debate?

....and Brady didn't the year he broke Manning's record? Hell, they were throwing up by 45.

Sure he did, for one year. Manning has made a career out of it.

Yeah, that's makes it ok for one and not the other, lol.

I'm not saying it's ok one way or the other, just calling a spade a spade.

So you're saying he shouldn't have gone for 12 more yards?

 

[Zigg]

This thread took a shocking turn. I can't believe a Manning thread turned into a Manning v. Brady whine-a-thon.

 

[JohnnyU]

This thread took a shocking turn. I can't believe a Manning thread turned into a Manning v. Brady whine-a-thon.

It's always ok for NE and Brady to run up the score, but hell to be raised if Manning goes for 12 f-ing yards. Some things that spew from this forum are flat out r#t###ed.

 

[noneother]

No. But I believe Favre wants 501 victories.

 

[Billy1x]

No. He never changes his game. If they stack the line he throws. If they want him to stop they need to put 6 or 7 on the line. Manning does not believe in wasting plays to run out the clock. Even up by 40 pts a couple years ago he kept throwing because they put 8 men on the line to stop the run. If more teams did that they would win more games.

 

[editor47]

it's just the way the league has gone. teams can't grind out the clock anymore. they have to throw to keep the ball. and its such a big part of the gameplan that the coaches keep calling passing plays.

i blame coaches more than players for this. though in manning's case, i guess he's audibling enough at the line that he's making the decisions.

if you're going to say why is he passing, i'm going to say why is he even in the game?

 

[JohnnyU]

Mods, lock this thread. You know what this thread is about when a NE / Brady fan starts it, and it has no real value except to go after Manning fans. It's especially stupid considering how NE runs up the score and passes on every down when things are going well.

 

[theglorydays]

Am I the only one that thought Manning was calling plays at the end of that game with 3-4 minutes left just because he knew he was about 12 yards away from 300 and wanted to keep his streak alive?That game was over, and pretty sure he threw on second down after a run. Don't get me wrong as a Manning owner I loved it and I'm not one to call foul when a team is throwing when they're up and the game is over (the defense is getting paid, too), just was curious as to others opinions.Manning definitely comes off as a record/stats conscious type of guy, and my guess is he is out to put up serious numbers this year. Thoughts?

What, you mean like Tom Brady and your cheating coach running up the score on everyone in 2007? Blowout after blowout Tom Brady was in the game until the very end.Manning sat out something like 2 and a half quarters the year he broke the record.And for the record, Brady's season is only 3rd best to any knowledgeable football fan.

 

[thehornet]

Who cares?? Seriously, who effing cares. Some of you guys are ridiculous.

 

[duaneok66]

No. He never changes his game. If they stack the line he throws. If they want him to stop they need to put 6 or 7 on the line. Manning does not believe in wasting plays to run out the clock. Even up by 40 pts a couple years ago he kept throwing because they put 8 men on the line to stop the run. If more teams did that they would win more games.

post of the thread . . . I dont remember him chucking it 50 yards downfield . . .come on people . . .

 

[Jewell]

Mods, lock this thread. You know what this thread is about when a NE / Brady fan starts it, and it has no real value except to go after Manning fans. It's especially stupid considering how NE runs up the score and passes on every down when things are going well.

 

[JohnnyU]

Mods, lock this thread. You know what this thread is about when a NE / Brady fan starts it, and it has no real value except to go after Manning fans. It's especially stupid considering how NE runs up the score and passes on every down when things are going well.

Just another reason what this thread is "really" about.

 

[Jewell]

Mods, lock this thread. You know what this thread is about when a NE / Brady fan starts it, and it has no real value except to go after Manning fans. It's especially stupid considering how NE runs up the score and passes on every down when things are going well.

Just another reason what this thread is "really" about.

Or the thread was somewhat normal until you went off....Who posted in: Do you think Manning is consciously trying to set a 300-yd game record

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I'm a Pats fan and I fully acknowledge that Brady padded his stats in 2007 -- big time. He'd probably do it again, too, if he was having a better year.

 

[DropKick]

Mods, lock this thread. You know what this thread is about when a NE / Brady fan starts it, and it has no real value except to go after Manning fans. It's especially stupid considering how NE runs up the score and passes on every down when things are going well.

I think the original poster was and it looks like he hooked himself a big JohnnytUna... I don't blame a Pats fan for pointing out the obvious hypocrisy... Me? You keep running your offense. It's the best way to keep the other team off the field.

 

[The Gray Hood]

yeah, I thought it was pretty classless the way he was running up the score at the end there, and apparently I'm not alone.

 

[DropKick]

Am I the only one that thought Manning was calling plays at the end of that game with 3-4 minutes left just because he knew he was about 12 yards away from 300 and wanted to keep his streak alive?That game was over, and pretty sure he threw on second down after a run. Don't get me wrong as a Manning owner I loved it and I'm not one to call foul when a team is throwing when they're up and the game is over (the defense is getting paid, too), just was curious as to others opinions.Manning definitely comes off as a record/stats conscious type of guy, and my guess is he is out to put up serious numbers this year. Thoughts?

What, you mean like Tom Brady and your cheating coach running up the score on everyone in 2007? Blowout after blowout Tom Brady was in the game until the very end.Manning sat out something like 2 and a half quarters the year he broke the record.And for the record, Brady's season is only 3rd best to any knowledgeable football fan.

As a Bills fan, I understand your pain. However... your facts are not very accurate.

 

[Tornacl]

Breaking Manning's mark of 49 TDs probably didn't occur to Brady in '07, did it? Who cares?

All that really matters is the Manning sure looks a lot better than Brady, doesn't he? Brady's having a rough time, over-throwing, under-throwing.

I'm betting the thread's creator not only hates Manning, he probably played against him this week. Too bad Wayne dropped that sure TD, otherwise we'd probably have to put an asterisk on this performance for running up the score.

 

[JohnnyU]

yeah, I thought it was pretty classless the way he was running up the score at the end there, and apparently I'm not alone.

Yeah, they shouldn't have tried to score those 7 points in the 3rd qtr and those 3 points in the 4th LOL.

 

[duaneok66]

yeah, I thought it was pretty classless the way he was running up the score at the end there, and apparently I'm not alone.

Yeah, they shouldn't have tried to score those 7 points in the 3rd qtr and those 3 points in the 4th LOL.

good post . . .why let facts get in the way????next time PM should just hand the ball over to the Titans offense to avoid all criticism . . .

 

[The Gray Hood]

sorry --- I guess I should have said trying to run up the score.

thx for the correction.

 

[TTAC]

Yes, Peyton is a stat conscience guy. Yes, he has more freedom to change the play at the line of scrimmage than any qb in a long sine maybe Bradshaw. Yes, he is a historian of the game. But in this day and age,when everyone wants to stay involved with the game after they retire, does it not make you wonder if Manning would rather be a coach then a talking head on a pregame? He has learned from one of the best OC in the league. This OC made Scott f'n Mitchell throw for over iirc 4k yards in a season. I think that is where Peyton will head when he hangs up the helmet. And he will get immediate respect from his team, based upon, at what THEY grew up watching at the time. Stats and individual glory is what most of them are after anymore. He will be able to talk to them on their level. But I'm sure that idea has escaped the whole Manning family. I feel everything Archie and Peyton has done since Peytonwas drafted has been choreographed for somebigger later. Maybe it's just a bust in the HOF. But that is one tight fooball family. Eli, while a decent qb in his own right, will not get them there. A father knows his sons.

Yes, I'm a huge colts fan. I like Brady too. Not his coach, but that guy has a wonderful story that will go into the HOF, plus he nails high quality tail!

 

[duaneok66]

sorry --- I guess I should have said trying to run up the score.

thx for the correction.

if he was TRYING to score on that last drive, then he would have - remember he was only throwing short passes . . . don't kid yourself . . .

 

[FreeBaGeL]

This whole theory gets blown out of the water by the fact that the Colts still threw the ball even after Peyton had already eclipsed the 300 yard mark, so if he was just trying to break 300, why did they still throw again after that?

The issue here is that NFL teams and NFL fans have a very different definition of when a game is over. Peyton threw his last pass with 4 minutes to go in a game in which they were up by three scores. Just a few weeks ago the Bills led by two scores with under TWO minutes left and lost. I guarantee you the Colts did not consider the game over at a 22 point lead with 4 minutes left. Crazy things happen in the NFL.

We see this at every level. People thought it was absurd that Tim Tebow was in when he got hurt against Kentucky. For god's sake, they were up by three scores in the THIRD QUARTER when that happened.

 

[Jewell]

Yes, I'm a huge colts fan. I like Brady too. Not his coach, but that guy has a wonderful story that will go into the HOF, plus he nails high quality tail!

Same here... but reversed. I'm a huge Pats fan, but I love Peyton. It's kind of difficult to be true fan of the game and not appreciate what Manning does. He's an all-time great. I'm not sure why so many people think that to support one, you have to pretend like the other guy is the second coming of Jamarcus Russell.

 

[thehornet]

sorry --- I guess I should have said trying to run up the score.

thx for the correction.

lol, trying.....Peyton could have hung 50+ on Tenn last night if he was trying to run up the score.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

yeah, I thought it was pretty classless the way he was running up the score at the end there, and apparently I'm not alone.

The Eagles, Vikings, and Giants all threw passes with ~3 minutes to go in games in which they led by 3+ scores this week. Why no thread about them running up the score?Heck, last week Shaun Hill dropped back to pass with 4 minutes to go in a game they were leading 35-0. Why no thread about Shaun Hill being a stat whore? Cutler threw with 3 minutes to go in a game that they led by 24 points last week. Where's the thread about Cutler being a stat whore?I could go on...

 

[The Gray Hood]

why was manning even still in that game at the end?

don't you think players around the league will start trying to take him out for embarrassing them like that?

karma's a #####.

 

[Twilight]

Manning is a QB who enjoys what he does. If he had his way, he'd throw on EVERY SINGLE DOWN. And so would most of the good QBs in the league.

 

[duaneok66]

yeah, I thought it was pretty classless the way he was running up the score at the end there, and apparently I'm not alone.

The Eagles, Vikings, and Giants all threw passes with ~3 minutes to go in games in which they led by 3+ scores this week. Why no thread about them running up the score?Heck, last week Shaun Hill dropped back to pass with 4 minutes to go in a game they were leading 35-0. Why no thread about Shaun Hill being a stat whore? Cutler threw with 3 minutes to go in a game that they led by 24 points last week. Where's the thread about Cutler being a stat whore?I could go on...

if he would have started a thread about Hill then no one would bother posting . . .

 

[Tau837]

IMO I don't think Manning cares about that record. I think he wanted to get a 1st down to make sure the Titans didn't get the ball back. They can't run the ball so they need to pass to keep the chains moving and the clock running.

The Colts got the ball on their last drive up 31-9 with 5:50 remaining. They ran on 1st down for -2 yards, then Manning threw 3 straight passes, all completions. The second of those passes got the first down. So these passes were not solely to get the first down as is being suggested in other posts in this thread. The last of the three passes was on 1st and 10 with less than 4 minutes remaining, up by 22 points.IMO Manning was trying to make sure he got 300 yards. He actually got it on the second of those three passes, which brought him to 301 yards. But I'm not sure how accurate their recordkeeping is on the sidelines, and I could see them being unsure if he definitely had it, hence the third pass on 1st and 10.I defended Manning against people in his 49 TD season, as I generally didn't think there were many instances where he was in the game throwing when games were clearly over. But in those instances, where it looked like he did that then, I didn't like it. I didn't like it when Brady did it repeatedly two years ago. And I didn't like Manning doing it yesterday.There is no reason for it. It is arguably poor sportsmanship, which I understand that many people really don't care about today. But it also exposes players like Manning, Wayne, and other starters to unnecessary risk of injury. Wayne took a shot on that second completion. He's fine, but what if he wasn't? People would be screaming that he had no business in the game at that point. And, more importantly, what if Manning's knee got taken out? It only takes one play.Bottom line:

 

[Tau837]

I don't see anything wrong with it, and for all you Manning haters out there, Brady would have done the same damn thing. What the hell was he supposed to do not go after 12 yards?

How many times did you post the bolded in this thread? Each time it was wrong.The Colts got the ball on their last drive up 31-9 with 5:50 remaining. They ran on 1st down for -2 yards, then Manning threw 3 straight passes, all completions. The second of those passes got the first down. So these passes were not solely to get the first down.

 

[theglorydays]

why was manning even still in that game at the end?don't you think players around the league will start trying to take him out for embarrassing them like that?karma's a #####.

I've only been on these boards for a short while, but you continue to prove you are one of the worst posters on these boards.

 

[Tau837]

This thread took a shocking turn. I can't believe a Manning thread turned into a Manning v. Brady whine-a-thon.

It's always ok for NE and Brady to run up the score, but hell to be raised if Manning goes for 12 f-ing yards. Some things that spew from this forum are flat out r#t###ed.

WTF are you talking about? Brady and the Pats were heavily criticized on this board for that, and pretty much the only ones who defended them were Pats fans. It most assuredly was not OK for Brady, just as is not OK for Manning. I agree that anyone who defends one and criticizes the other is a hypocrite. So let me ask you... did you criticize Brady for it back then? If so, why are you trying to defend Manning now?

 

[Tau837]

it's just the way the league has gone. teams can't grind out the clock anymore. they have to throw to keep the ball. and its such a big part of the gameplan that the coaches keep calling passing plays.

Then Sorgi and other backup players should be in. Truly, at that point of the game, it did not matter if they got a first down or not. There is no way Tennessee was coming back from 22 points down with less than 4 minutes remaining.

if you're going to say why is he passing, i'm going to say why is he even in the game?

Agreed. IMO they should have been running, but, regardless, Sorgi should have been in the game.

 

[duaneok66]

it's just the way the league has gone. teams can't grind out the clock anymore. they have to throw to keep the ball. and its such a big part of the gameplan that the coaches keep calling passing plays.

Then Sorgi and other backup players should be in. Truly, at that point of the game, it did not matter if they got a first down or not. There is no way Tennessee was coming back from 22 points down with less than 4 minutes remaining.

if you're going to say why is he passing, i'm going to say why is he even in the game?

Agreed. IMO they should have been running, but, regardless, Sorgi should have been in the game.

BIG Colts fan here . . . I agree that Sorgi should have been in to start that drive . . .still, I think you are making too big a deal about Manning's short passes - if they wanted to score, they would have - I truly think he just wanted to move the chains . . . there is a difference between the two . . .

 

[Kleck]

Last night, along with many other games, it seemed easier for Manning to pass to get a 1st down than run the ball, and towards the end of the game the receivers were staying in bounds to eat up the clock. Can't fault the guy for taking the easy option to winning the game. If teams have a problem with that, then try harder to stop him. Good luck with that.

 

[lynx4ben]

Manning is the biggest stat horde in the game. I personally can't stand it. I've seen him do it so many times. It seems in blow out games he actually passes more to rack up the stats. Yet in close games he plays much smarter and uses the run to his advantage.

I agree that manning has made a career out of it. I compare it to Favre who when up will be happy to run out the clock. I don't want to start a QB debate either. But I like others am calling a spade a spade.

For what it's worth I think Manning is the better pure QB. I just think he will play as long as it takes to break all Favre's records.

Favre = Drama Queen

Manning = Huge Ego / Stat horde

 

[Tau837]

yeah, I thought it was pretty classless the way he was running up the score at the end there, and apparently I'm not alone.

The Eagles, Vikings, and Giants all threw passes with ~3 minutes to go in games in which they led by 3+ scores this week. Why no thread about them running up the score?

Apples and oranges. In each case, the backup QB was in for at least the last drive. IMO it is completely different to have David Carr in throwing to Nicks and Hagan. It is reasonable for them to try to gain useful experience since none are starters.

Heck, last week Shaun Hill dropped back to pass with 4 minutes to go in a game they were leading 35-0. Why no thread about Shaun Hill being a stat whore? Cutler threw with 3 minutes to go in a game that they led by 24 points last week. Where's the thread about Cutler being a stat whore?I could go on...

I think if those things happened it was equally bad. What makes it at least slightly worse for Manning is the streak of 300 yard games.

 

[The Gray Hood]

why was manning even still in that game at the end?don't you think players around the league will start trying to take him out for embarrassing them like that?karma's a #####.

I've only been on these boards for a short while, but you continue to prove you are one of the worst posters on these boards.

at least i don't try to derail threads with these kind of internet catfights.stick to the subject or don't post.