Do you think the bengals are being "fair" to Palmer? (1 Viewer)

[Gatorman]

Not for nothing, but In seeing how teams tend to end their time with franchise QBs it seems that the Bengals are being a bit harsh with CP. I can understand not giving him an outright release, but to not even discuss a trade?

Many of the all time greats got traded at the end of their careers. Montana, McNabb, Unitas, favre, and the list goes on and on. Not that Carson is an all time great, but it seems when a QB has put in his time and you know the relationship is this fractured, there should be a better end that "well retire then"

Thoughts?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I don't think they have to be fair to Palmer. But they are being downright stupid in running an organization. Trade the guy and get an asset or two in return. Also I'm sure it tells other players to stay far away from that crappy organization.

 

[Polish Hammer]

If I were a Bengals fan I'd be ticked that the trade option wasn't explored to at least try and better a team. Although I wonder how much better he would be viewed than McNabb (two 6ths).

From an ownership perspective if they felt trade value was low I can understand wanting to show current team members that you can't try and hold the franchise hostage with your desires to get out of town, I guess.

 

[Shutout]

I don't think they have to be fair to Palmer. But they are being downright stupid in running an organization. Trade the guy and get an asset or two in return. Also I'm sure it tells other players to stay far away from that crappy organization.

Exactly. This causes more ill will than it is worth. it tells current players they won't do everything possible to make the team better and it tells potential players to be very leery signing contracts because once you are signed, you married that contract.Also, with a player's short career, and given that this was not an absurd situation (Palmer wasn't asking for a mega increase in money or anything), it seems it would be a gentleman's gesture to agree that it wasn't in the best interest of both parties and to part and each get something from it because, in reality, Teams don't "commit" to players. Seems unfair to stand on a soap box if you are Mike Brown and say the player made a commitment to us when he will probably terminate a number of players' contracts over the next few weeks that he had "Committed" to.

 

[JuSt CuZ]

I don't think they have to be fair to Palmer. But they are being downright stupid in running an organization. Trade the guy and get an asset or two in return. Also I'm sure it tells other players to stay far away from that crappy organization.

If you sign a deal, honor it!

 

[Clifford]

Palmer was an idiot to issue a trade ultimatum, but I agree that Mike Brown is behaving like a jilted teenage girl and is hurting his franchise. Get something for him and be done with it. Ocho and Dhani Jones too if they want to leave.

 

[Jayrod]

Cincinnati will never win by treating players like dirt. Players talk to one another around the league and they all know to stay away from the Bengals unless you don't have a better option. If the choice is close between the Bengals and any other team in the league, I guarantee you Cincy loses that battle most of the time.

That said, Palmer signed a deal and is legally bound to honor it. I wish he was bluffing, but I doubt it.

 

[Catbird]

Palmer has been the mostly classy guy holding a pile of dung together for most of a decade. I think he deserves some consideration for that. Brown apparently sees anyone who doesn't like his MO and decisions as a hater deserving punishment. Palmer has served his time in purgatory. He is not old and has several years left if he wants to pay, although post-injury his arm never seems to have come back completely to its earlier strength/accuracy. He still would improve a lot of teams and make them solid at QB while they fix other areas of need. He might even flourish and be a better than average QB once again in a positive system. Average starting NFL QBs are a commodity with pretty substancial value - ask Miami or Carolina or the teams grappling to buy Kolb. I think Palmer has appreciable trade value the Bengals can't afford to squander. A good organization recognizes when its time to cut ties, make a new start and gain by exchanging value and moving in a new direction. Not surprisingly, that list of franchises doesn't include the Bengals.

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[JamesTheScot]

I don't think they have to be fair to Palmer. But they are being downright stupid in running an organization. Trade the guy and get an asset or two in return. Also I'm sure it tells other players to stay far away from that crappy organization.

Or it tells players that if you threaten to retire if not traded, you'll be retiring.It cuts both ways. Are they paying him if he retires? If not, then why should they trade him? They now have money free to spend on assets...in the form of free agents. It's six of one or a half-dozen of the other, isn't it?I don't blame a guy for wanting to change his contract. But it's a negotiation and the other side has an interest as well. So if you can't agree to modify it, then shut up and play or enjoy retirement.

 

[greenroom]

I don't think they have to be fair to Palmer. But they are being downright stupid in running an organization. Trade the guy and get an asset or two in return. Also I'm sure it tells other players to stay far away from that crappy organization.

If you sign a deal, honor it!

So the team should be held to that same line. If the team signs a contract they should honor it as well.. Right?

 

[bengalbuck]

I don't think they have to be fair to Palmer. But they are being downright stupid in running an organization. Trade the guy and get an asset or two in return. Also I'm sure it tells other players to stay far away from that crappy organization.

As a Bengals fan, I agree with this 100%.Do I see the satisfaction inherent in the owner giving a big old FU to Carson for quitting on the team? Sure. Part of me is glad he isn't getting rewarded for his cowardly stance.However, that should not be the primary motivation driving and NFL owner/GM. The first question should always beoes this trade make my team better?If the answer is yes (as it would be if decent draft picks are offered for Carson), then you have to put the petty personal BS aside and do what is best for the franchise.Between the Carson situation and the refusal to move on with Ocho, its a depressing week for me as a Bengals fan.

 

[chidoy]

I don't think they have to be fair to Palmer. But they are being downright stupid in running an organization. Trade the guy and get an asset or two in return. Also I'm sure it tells other players to stay far away from that crappy organization.

If you sign a deal, honor it!

So what about the players that Mike Brown CUTS? They signed a deal too.... They made the "commitment" as well, so its ok to not honor their deal????

Mike Brown is more focused on proving a point as opposed to being focused on making the TEAM better by getting something for Palmer.

The franchise is a joke and is, deservedly so, the "worst franchise" in sports (ESPN Mag).

 

[Joe Summer]

So the team should be held to that same line. If the team signs a contract they should honor it as well.. Right?

Yes. And they do. NFL teams always honor player contracts.Even when an NFL team cuts a player midway through a contract, they are STILL honoring the language of that contract.

 

[matuski]

Fair? Yes. He is under contract with the Bengals.

Doing him any favors? No, obviously not.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I don't think they have to be fair to Palmer. But they are being downright stupid in running an organization. Trade the guy and get an asset or two in return. Also I'm sure it tells other players to stay far away from that crappy organization.

Or it tells players that if you threaten to retire if not traded, you'll be retiring.It cuts both ways. Are they paying him if he retires? If not, then why should they trade him? They now have money free to spend on assets...in the form of free agents. It's six of one or a half-dozen of the other, isn't it?I don't blame a guy for wanting to change his contract. But it's a negotiation and the other side has an interest as well. So if you can't agree to modify it, then shut up and play or enjoy retirement.

Except no good free agent will consider the Bengals because it's the Bengals. I'm not defending Palmer's actions or even his stance here. I'm saying the Bengals aren't doing the best they can in running their organization. I'm sure Palmer will shut up and retire. I'm also sure he'll enjoy it much more than the Bengals fans will enjoy watching the product Mike Brown puts on the field.

 

[Lehigh98]

Many of the all time greats got traded at the end of their careers. Montana, McNabb...

You lost me there.

 

[Clifford]

Palmer has been the mostly classy guy holding a pile of dung together for most of a decade. I think he deserves some consideration for that. Brown apparently sees anyone who doesn't like his MO and decisions as a hater deserving punishment. Palmer has served his time in purgatory. He is not old and has several years left if he wants to pay, although post-injury his arm never seems to have come back completely to its earlier strength/accuracy. He still would improve a lot of teams and make them solid at QB while they fix other areas of need. He might even flourish and be a better than average QB once again in a positive system. Average starting NFL QBs are a commodity with pretty substancial value - ask Miami or Carolina or the teams grappling to buy Kolb. I think Palmer has appreciable trade value the Bengals can't afford to squander. A good organization recognizes when its time to cut ties, make a new start and gain by exchanging value and moving in a new direction. Not surprisingly, that list of franchises doesn't include the Bengals.Editted for horrific spelling

I know his deep ball lost some zip but he was better than average last year. He outscored Eli Manning in my dynasty league.

 

[meatwad1]

I don't think they have to be fair to Palmer. But they are being downright stupid in running an organization. Trade the guy and get an asset or two in return. Also I'm sure it tells other players to stay far away from that crappy organization.

As a Bengals fan, I agree with this 100%.Do I see the satisfaction inherent in the owner giving a big old FU to Carson for quitting on the team? Sure. Part of me is glad he isn't getting rewarded for his cowardly stance.However, that should not be the primary motivation driving and NFL owner/GM. The first question should always beoes this trade make my team better?If the answer is yes (as it would be if decent draft picks are offered for Carson), then you have to put the petty personal BS aside and do what is best for the franchise.Between the Carson situation and the refusal to move on with Ocho, its a depressing week for me as a Bengals fan.

What type of asset do you think you are going to get? In the Mcnabb deal, two sixth round picks were dealt, and the Vikings were trying to decide between him and TYLER THIGPEN!!!!!!!TYLER THIGPEN!!!!!!I would say Palmer as a qb in 2011 as probably on par with McNabb, maybe a little worse considering he had MANY offensive weapons last year and pretty much s&*t the bed. Palmer is the one who should be giving money back for his pathetic showing last year and his loser attitude, which many teams are lining up to get I am sure.Just the fact that the Bengals had his brother as the back up qb tells me all I need to know about CP and the Bengals organization. He is a whiny BABY!!!!! Yes the Bengals do amke many dumb decisions, but this surley isn't one of them.

 

[Gatorman]

Many of the all time greats got traded at the end of their careers. Montana, McNabb...

You lost me there.

Say what you want about mcnabb, but he had a long and successful career for the eagles. I would have had him in Miami in a heatbeat in his prime.

 

[Novice2]

Being fair is going by the rules and they are doing that. I just wish some reporter would have asked why he didn't keep ''his word'' when he released whoever was the last person Cincy released while they still had a contract.

 

[Hang 10]

LOL. This is the same team that turned down TWO first round draft picks for Chad Johnson just a couple years ago. I guess you can't put a price on vindictiveness.

 

[meatwad1]

Palmer has been the mostly classy guy holding a pile of dung together for most of a decade. I think he deserves some consideration for that. Brown apparently sees anyone who doesn't like his MO and decisions as a hater deserving punishment. Palmer has served his time in purgatory. He is not old and has several years left if he wants to pay, although post-injury his arm never seems to have come back completely to its earlier strength/accuracy. He still would improve a lot of teams and make them solid at QB while they fix other areas of need. He might even flourish and be a better than average QB once again in a positive system. Average starting NFL QBs are a commodity with pretty substancial value - ask Miami or Carolina or the teams grappling to buy Kolb. I think Palmer has appreciable trade value the Bengals can't afford to squander. A good organization recognizes when its time to cut ties, make a new start and gain by exchanging value and moving in a new direction. Not surprisingly, that list of franchises doesn't include the Bengals.Editted for horrific spelling

I know his deep ball lost some zip but he was better than average last year. He outscored Eli Manning in my dynasty league.

What team wants to waste a draft pick on 'better than average"? Plus, the Bengals make decisions based on real world results, not your dynasty league. In the real world, he had 5 games better than a 90.0 qb rating, 6 games worse than a 60 qb rating, and was at the helm for a glorious 10 game losing streak. That, my friend is WORSE than average. Not even close to the good work Eli did with the Giants.That is an awful comparison.

 

[thriftyrocker]

What type of asset do you think you are going to get? In the Mcnabb deal, two sixth round picks were dealt,

The Browns got a 6th round pick and a fullback for Brady Quinn. That fullback is now the face of the franchise. At some point something is better than nothing. 6th round picks and unwanted veterans can help your team more than talking about Carson Palmer for the next 5 months. Like the Redskins and Haynesworth last year, you are just destroying your team by letting the prime focus be the one guy who doesn't want to play.

 

[Shutout]

I don't think they have to be fair to Palmer. But they are being downright stupid in running an organization. Trade the guy and get an asset or two in return. Also I'm sure it tells other players to stay far away from that crappy organization.

Or it tells players that if you threaten to retire if not traded, you'll be retiring.It cuts both ways. Are they paying him if he retires? If not, then why should they trade him? They now have money free to spend on assets...in the form of free agents. It's six of one or a half-dozen of the other, isn't it?

I don't blame a guy for wanting to change his contract. But it's a negotiation and the other side has an interest as well. So if you can't agree to modify it, then shut up and play or enjoy retirement.

Not really because if they trade him they get the cap relief AND a player or picks or whatever they come up with. I know its speculation and what ifs but something IS better than nothing. Ok, so maybe you get a 5th round pick or a 6th round pick for him. But you never know how valuable one more resource is. For all we know, that may be the pick that acts as a deal maker later. Maybe it would allow the team to trade up into a round in the draft next year. or maybe it becomes a gem of a player (wasn't Tom brady a 6th round draft pick that the Pats found themselves with the luxury of using and seeing what happened?).To just not use your resource at al just translates into poor management. Not that I have to remind Cincy fans but wasn't it the bengals that turned down TWO first round picks for Ocho Cinco and they declined; leaving him to sulk and suck? look at the redskins now. They just signed Kellen clemons to go along with John beck and Rex grossman...don't you think they would have given at least a 4th rounder for Palmer right now?

 

[sihaokills]

The Bengals are not fair to Palmer.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I don't think they have to be fair to Palmer. But they are being downright stupid in running an organization. Trade the guy and get an asset or two in return. Also I'm sure it tells other players to stay far away from that crappy organization.

If you sign a deal, honor it!

So the team should be held to that same line. If the team signs a contract they should honor it as well.. Right?

nope that is not the way it works....it's not a two way street....there would be no such thing as signing bonus and up front money if this is the way you want to do things....

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I don't think they have to be fair to Palmer. But they are being downright stupid in running an organization. Trade the guy and get an asset or two in return. Also I'm sure it tells other players to stay far away from that crappy organization.

for the sake of discussion....what owner/organizations would handle it differently....which would handle it the same.....I think some are piling on Cincy here when many organizations would do the same thing.....I asked earlier....but does anybody remember an example where this exact scenerio played out and either the player was traded or did indeed retire...?

 

[johnadams]

That said, Palmer signed a deal and is legally bound to honor it. I wish he was bluffing, but I doubt it.

Just like the owners so frequently honor the contracts that are signed? Palmer is not legally bound to honor the length of the contract by any stretch. You may have a moral or ethical issue with him not playing through the contract, but he is not legally required to play. The only legal requirement is that if Palmer plays in the NFL, Cincinatti has the rights to his services unless they sever the rights by cutting him or trade his rights to another team. Cincy might have some recourse to recover signing bonus money, which I expect they will attempt to do if Palmer actually retires.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

riddle me this.....is Palmer willing to give back a prorated portion of his signing bonus...?

I have no idea what it was or the particulars involved, but to me that has to be part of the deal....

people are forgetting that the signing bonus/up front money the teams pay out is a huge part of the "committment" they make to the player....

 

[QuizGuy66]

The Bengals are being every bit as fair to Palmer as he was to them in accepting a bonus or merely signing his name on a piece of paper (aka the guaranteed money). Don't see if offering any pro-rated refunds.

-QG

 

[comfortably numb]

riddle me this.....is Palmer willing to give back a prorated portion of his signing bonus...?

I have no idea what it was or the particulars involved, but to me that has to be part of the deal....

people are forgetting that the signing bonus/up front money the teams pay out is a huge part of the "committment" they make to the player....

mehstill don't care

Part of Carson's commitment is signing a deal that has 6.75M the 1st year, and then 14M the last year...14M the team KNOWS he will never see.

Teams give bonuses so they can give smaller dollar amounts in the early stages of a contract.

The Bengals are idiots

He is set to make 11.5M this year and next year, and is obviously overpaid.

He wants to be traded, and you don't want to pay him 11.5M anymore...win/win right?

Wrong.

 

[comfortably numb]

I used to hate it when players held out.

Now I just view it as business.

Very simple...if a player under/over performs, his contract can be renegotiated or voided.

Contracts are merely payment guidelines.

 

[VTjkru]

Are the Bengals being "fair" to Carson Palmer? Yes.

Are they handling this in the most asinine way? Yes.

The Bengals organization is obviously a joke and one only needs to look at their past history over the last two decades to see that. They have a franchise/star QB (extremely rare) that is obviously unhappy about being on the Bengals roster that he is willing to retire instead of playing for them. Instead of having a come to Jesus moment where they can take a introspective look into why a star QB would do this, they would rather hold ill will towards that player and not honor his request. They would rather "make a point" then get anything in return and take actions to fix the organization for the better.

It's fair but incredibly stupid. There's no point being made other than that the Bengals will continue the status quo. Sometimes you have to swallow your pride, realize that what you're doing is not working, admit your wrong, and take actions to better the team.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Are the Bengals being "fair" to Carson Palmer? Yes.Are they handling this in the most asinine way? Yes.The Bengals organization is obviously a joke and one only needs to look at their past history over the last two decades to see that. They have a franchise/star QB (extremely rare) that is obviously unhappy about being on the Bengals roster that he is willing to retire instead of playing for them. Instead of having a come to Jesus moment where they can take a introspective look into why a star QB would do this, they would rather hold ill will towards that player and not honor his request. They would rather "make a point" then get anything in return and take actions to fix the organization for the better.It's fair but incredibly stupid. There's no point being made other than that the Bengals will continue the status quo. Sometimes you have to swallow your pride, realize that what you're doing is not working, admit your wrong, and take actions to better the team.

I again ask for discussion sake....do people think the Bengals are really the only ones that would handle the sitaution this way......SD...?....and would all 31 other teams really cave in to the players demands/threats....?not saying Cincy does everything right.....just not sure they are the only ones that would play hardball here....

 

[WVU Alum]

Are the Bengals being "fair" to Carson Palmer? Yes.Are they handling this in the most asinine way? Yes.The Bengals organization is obviously a joke and one only needs to look at their past history over the last two decades to see that. They have a franchise/star QB (extremely rare) that is obviously unhappy about being on the Bengals roster that he is willing to retire instead of playing for them. Instead of having a come to Jesus moment where they can take a introspective look into why a star QB would do this, they would rather hold ill will towards that player and not honor his request. They would rather "make a point" then get anything in return and take actions to fix the organization for the better.It's fair but incredibly stupid. There's no point being made other than that the Bengals will continue the status quo. Sometimes you have to swallow your pride, realize that what you're doing is not working, admit your wrong, and take actions to better the team.

I again ask for discussion sake....do people think the Bengals are really the only ones that would handle the sitaution this way......SD...?....and would all 31 other teams really cave in to the players demands/threats....?not saying Cincy does everything right.....just not sure they are the only ones that would play hardball here....

Besides Cinci and Detroit in the 90's, what other teams have had high paid players say, "Screwit, this place is a mess, trade me or I am retiring." And the Detroit reference actually doesn't fit the criteria because Barry just flat out retired.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Are the Bengals being "fair" to Carson Palmer? Yes.Are they handling this in the most asinine way? Yes.The Bengals organization is obviously a joke and one only needs to look at their past history over the last two decades to see that. They have a franchise/star QB (extremely rare) that is obviously unhappy about being on the Bengals roster that he is willing to retire instead of playing for them. Instead of having a come to Jesus moment where they can take a introspective look into why a star QB would do this, they would rather hold ill will towards that player and not honor his request. They would rather "make a point" then get anything in return and take actions to fix the organization for the better.It's fair but incredibly stupid. There's no point being made other than that the Bengals will continue the status quo. Sometimes you have to swallow your pride, realize that what you're doing is not working, admit your wrong, and take actions to better the team.

I again ask for discussion sake....do people think the Bengals are really the only ones that would handle the sitaution this way......SD...?....and would all 31 other teams really cave in to the players demands/threats....?not saying Cincy does everything right.....just not sure they are the only ones that would play hardball here....

Besides Cinci and Detroit in the 90's, what other teams have had high paid players say, "Screwit, this place is a mess, trade me or I am retiring." And the Detroit reference actually doesn't fit the criteria because Barry just flat out retired.

thats why I have been asking for examples of this is the past.....everybody is piling on Cincy who made the playoffs very recently (winning every division game along the way)....and we have no idea how any other franchise would handle this....Carson could have thrown out his ultimatum behind closed doors if he wanted to.....especially to a franchise that made him (I believe) the highest paid QB at the time and gave him an extended contract which every player wants....not saying either side is handling this right, but it is where it is at this point and there is no turning back....this year it might be Cincy....next year it might be Jacksonville....year after OAK....where does it end....the league cannot have this type of thing become common place.....

 

[Short Corner]

Palmer has been the mostly classy guy holding a pile of dung together for most of a decade. I think he deserves some consideration for that. Brown apparently sees anyone who doesn't like his MO and decisions as a hater deserving punishment. Palmer has served his time in purgatory. He is not old and has several years left if he wants to pay, although post-injury his arm never seems to have come back completely to its earlier strength/accuracy. He still would improve a lot of teams and make them solid at QB while they fix other areas of need. He might even flourish and be a better than average QB once again in a positive system. Average starting NFL QBs are a commodity with pretty substancial value - ask Miami or Carolina or the teams grappling to buy Kolb. I think Palmer has appreciable trade value the Bengals can't afford to squander. A good organization recognizes when its time to cut ties, make a new start and gain by exchanging value and moving in a new direction. Not surprisingly, that list of franchises doesn't include the Bengals.Editted for horrific spelling

I know his deep ball lost some zip but he was better than average last year. He outscored Eli Manning in my dynasty league.

What team wants to waste a draft pick on 'better than average"?

Did you see some of the guys who started at QB last season? CP is a major upgrade for severalo NFL team.

 

[Clifford]

Palmer has been the mostly classy guy holding a pile of dung together for most of a decade. I think he deserves some consideration for that. Brown apparently sees anyone who doesn't like his MO and decisions as a hater deserving punishment. Palmer has served his time in purgatory. He is not old and has several years left if he wants to pay, although post-injury his arm never seems to have come back completely to its earlier strength/accuracy. He still would improve a lot of teams and make them solid at QB while they fix other areas of need. He might even flourish and be a better than average QB once again in a positive system. Average starting NFL QBs are a commodity with pretty substancial value - ask Miami or Carolina or the teams grappling to buy Kolb. I think Palmer has appreciable trade value the Bengals can't afford to squander. A good organization recognizes when its time to cut ties, make a new start and gain by exchanging value and moving in a new direction. Not surprisingly, that list of franchises doesn't include the Bengals.Editted for horrific spelling

I know his deep ball lost some zip but he was better than average last year. He outscored Eli Manning in my dynasty league.

What team wants to waste a draft pick on 'better than average"? Plus, the Bengals make decisions based on real world results, not your dynasty league. In the real world, he had 5 games better than a 90.0 qb rating, 6 games worse than a 60 qb rating, and was at the helm for a glorious 10 game losing streak. That, my friend is WORSE than average. Not even close to the good work Eli did with the Giants.That is an awful comparison.

If you're going to use numbers, Eli also had only 5 games over 90, but only 2 under 60.But I am not saying they are equal in terms of being good NFL QBs, just saying that for all the flack Carson got, he still had a good season.

 

[Hoosier16]

I don't think they have to be fair to Palmer. But they are being downright stupid in running an organization. Trade the guy and get an asset or two in return. Also I'm sure it tells other players to stay far away from that crappy organization.

Or it tells players that if you threaten to retire if not traded, you'll be retiring.It cuts both ways. Are they paying him if he retires? If not, then why should they trade him? They now have money free to spend on assets...in the form of free agents. It's six of one or a half-dozen of the other, isn't it?

I don't blame a guy for wanting to change his contract. But it's a negotiation and the other side has an interest as well. So if you can't agree to modify it, then shut up and play or enjoy retirement.

Not really because if they trade him they get the cap relief AND a player or picks or whatever they come up with. I know its speculation and what ifs but something IS better than nothing. Ok, so maybe you get a 5th round pick or a 6th round pick for him. But you never know how valuable one more resource is. For all we know, that may be the pick that acts as a deal maker later. Maybe it would allow the team to trade up into a round in the draft next year. or maybe it becomes a gem of a player (wasn't Tom brady a 6th round draft pick that the Pats found themselves with the luxury of using and seeing what happened?).

And what if the team you trade him to for that 6th round pick ends up knocking you out of the playoffs because of Palmer? For a 6th rounder, I'd let him retire.

 

[greenroom]

I don't think they have to be fair to Palmer. But they are being downright stupid in running an organization. Trade the guy and get an asset or two in return. Also I'm sure it tells other players to stay far away from that crappy organization.

If you sign a deal, honor it!

So the team should be held to that same line. If the team signs a contract they should honor it as well.. Right?

nope that is not the way it works....it's not a two way street....there would be no such thing as signing bonus and up front money if this is the way you want to do things....

I agree and understand the two way street, but you dont need to go on TV saying that he gave me his word and all the crap Mike Brown said. Because in the end it is a business and both are playing the game that they can do.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I don't think they have to be fair to Palmer. But they are being downright stupid in running an organization. Trade the guy and get an asset or two in return. Also I'm sure it tells other players to stay far away from that crappy organization.

If you sign a deal, honor it!

So the team should be held to that same line. If the team signs a contract they should honor it as well.. Right?

nope that is not the way it works....it's not a two way street....there would be no such thing as signing bonus and up front money if this is the way you want to do things....

I agree and understand the two way street, but you dont need to go on TV saying that he gave me his word and all the crap Mike Brown said. Because in the end it is a business and both are playing the game that they can do.

not many guys have played the trade me or I retire card....and played that out in the public either....so this is new territory for everybody.....can't just yell at Brown for going on TV and saying things when one of his players has done so publicly on his side....when it's a business like this and involves this much money "being the bigger person" often takes a backseat...

 

[WVU Alum]

I don't think they have to be fair to Palmer. But they are being downright stupid in running an organization. Trade the guy and get an asset or two in return. Also I'm sure it tells other players to stay far away from that crappy organization.

If you sign a deal, honor it!

So the team should be held to that same line. If the team signs a contract they should honor it as well.. Right?

nope that is not the way it works....it's not a two way street....there would be no such thing as signing bonus and up front money if this is the way you want to do things....

I agree and understand the two way street, but you dont need to go on TV saying that he gave me his word and all the crap Mike Brown said. Because in the end it is a business and both are playing the game that they can do.

not many guys have played the trade me or I retire card....and played that out in the public either....so this is new territory for everybody.....can't just yell at Brown for going on TV and saying things when one of his players has done so publicly on his side....when it's a business like this and involves this much money "being the bigger person" often takes a backseat...

Brown is still going to look like a giant D when he cuts Chad Johnson after he spends all this time saying Palmer has a contract and should honor it.

 

[Late225]

They're keeping him as leverage to sign Andy Dalton at a lower rate. Once that's done, I think they'll start exploring options. Probably the same reason they still have Ocho on the roster.

 

[Captain Hook]

Palmer was an idiot to issue a trade ultimatum, but I agree that Mike Brown is behaving like a jilted teenage girl and is hurting his franchise. Get something for him and be done with it. Ocho and Dhani Jones too if they want to leave.

OTOH, Palmer's trade value is relatively low right now - a starting QB injury in the next few weeks and Brown might get enough to move him off his high horse

 

[Joe Summer]

Brown is still going to look like a giant D when he cuts Chad Johnson after he spends all this time saying Palmer has a contract and should honor it.

Brown never said that Palmer should honor his contract. He only said that he won't reward Palmer for walking away from his contract.

 

[WVU Alum]

Brown is still going to look like a giant D when he cuts Chad Johnson after he spends all this time saying Palmer has a contract and should honor it.

Brown never said that Palmer should honor his contract. He only said that he won't reward Palmer for walking away from his contract.

Im not expecting him to be back. Carson signed a contract, he made a commitment, Brown continued. He gave us his word. We relied on his word and his commitment. We expected him to perform here. If he is going to walk away from his commitment we arent going to reward him for doing it.So neither of these statements indicate, based on his actions, that he feels Palmer should honor his contract? Pretty sure Brown has a contract with his name on it for Ocho as well.

 

[QuizGuy66]

They're keeping him as leverage to sign Andy Dalton at a lower rate. Once that's done, I think they'll start exploring options. Probably the same reason they still have Ocho on the roster.

-QG

 

[Joe Summer]

Brown is still going to look like a giant D when he cuts Chad Johnson after he spends all this time saying Palmer has a contract and should honor it.

Brown never said that Palmer should honor his contract. He only said that he won't reward Palmer for walking away from his contract.

“I’m not expecting him to be back. Carson signed a contract, he made a commitment,” Brown continued. “He gave us his word. We relied on his word and his commitment. We expected him to perform here. If he is going to walk away from his commitment we aren’t going to reward him for doing it.”So neither of these statements indicate, based on his actions, that he feels Palmer should honor his contract?

No, they don't. Read them again. If Brown felt that Palmer should honor his contract, then he wouldn't have said "I'm not expecting him to come back."Basically, Brown is saying "We won't expect you to honor your contract, as long as YOU don't expect US to reward you when you don't."

 

[Hoosier16]

Brown is still going to look like a giant D when he cuts Chad Johnson after he spends all this time saying Palmer has a contract and should honor it.

Not at all. Brown paid for that option up front.

 

[ImTheScientist]

A contract is a contract.