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Do you want Trump's Policies to be successful? (1 Viewer)

boots11234

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Seems to be a lot of good news about Trump and his policies on todays news.  I have a simple question:  Do you  want his policies to succeed?  I see a lot of posts here where people say they hate him.  This is odd to me.  I didn't care for BO but never hated the man.  Seems a lot of posters here actually hate Trump the man.

 
Well the two aren't mutually exclusive, you can hate the man and still hope he does good things for the country.

 
Really depends on how you define "successful"

For instance, I do not want Trump's immigration policy of putting up walls, and keeping people out to be successful.

I do not want a foreign policy that alienates our allies to be successful.

I do not want economic policies that "prime the economy" leading to inflation and asset bubbles to be successful.

I do not want his policy on Russia First to be successful.

I do not want his Trade Wars policies to be implemented.

What policies are you talking about, and how do you define success?  Are we talking short-term, or long-term?  I am a big proponent of long-term policies - and I have not seen any from Trump that I think will be successful in the long-term.

 
I don't want his policy of bullying and name-calling opponents to be successful.

 
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I want there to be peace with North Korea. 

I want the economy to boom and be productive and there be plenty of jobs. 

I want mass shootings to stop and gun violence to stop. 

With the possible exception of the first point, I do not believe that President Teump’s proposed solutions will bring about the outcomes I desire, but I hope for the best. 

 
I want a safe place for my children to live without a nuclear threat from NK

I want fair trade with China and Mexico, not saying trade restrictions are right, but it starts the conversation 

I an selfish and want to see the stock market and economy grow for both myself and all Americans

 
As others have already pointed out, this is a really poorly-formulated question.  On any policy issues where he takes a position I agree with, I want him to be successful; on the rest I want him to fail.  Has nothing to do with Trump the man, that's basically the position I'd take regarding any President. 

But maybe more to your point, I have a strong distaste for Trump the man.  I think he's a terrible person and I don't like the way he conducts himself, don't think he represents us in a positive light, etc.  So in a more general sense (i.e. if I was ambivalent about policy issues), I want him to fail because I don't want to live in a society that believes a man like Trump is qualified to be our President.  I want to raise my boys to be the opposite of Donald Trump, and that will be easier to do in a universe where he's a massive failure as a President.  

 
Seems to be a lot of good news about Trump and his policies on todays news.  I have a simple question:  Do you  want his policies to succeed?  I see a lot of posts here where people say they hate him.  This is odd to me.  I didn't care for BO but never hated the man.  Seems a lot of posters here actually hate Trump the man.
Setting aside the flawed argument about "success" here, it continues to amaze me that people still think Trump might turn the corner and enjoy a positive news cycle. 

The good news about the jobs report (and depending on your perspective, North Korea) will be overshadowed by some sort of awful revelation about a Trump gaffe or scandal, some new revelation of rampant corruption in his administration, or a new development in the Mueller investigation by early next week at the latest.  Guaranteed. 

Not just Trump fans that do this either.  People that dislike him somehow still think he might turn around his presidency for more than a couple days. It ain't happening.

 
I don't think Donald Trump is a good role model......nor is he a good President.  

That doesn't mean that he can't do thinks that I'd approve of.

That doesn't mean that I'm going to silence my opposition of him because he accomplishes one or two things I'd approve of.

I hope the next two years sees Democrats taking control of Congress....nothing of major note coming out of the Mueller Investigation.......Democrats NOT looking to impeach him.....and Trump calming down a bit and governing his last two years as a Rockefeller Republican whose twitter account breaks.  I think that's probably the best end result "compromise" for an overwhelming majority of Americans.  

 
As others have already pointed out, this is a really poorly-formulated question.  On any policy issues where he takes a position I agree with, I want him to be successful; on the rest I want him to fail.  Has nothing to do with Trump the man, that's basically the position I'd take regarding any President. 

But maybe more to your point, I have a strong distaste for Trump the man.  I think he's a terrible person and I don't like the way he conducts himself, don't think he represents us in a positive light, etc.  So in a more general sense (i.e. if I was ambivalent about policy issues), I want him to fail because I don't want to live in a society that believes a man like Trump is qualified to be our President.  I want to raise my boys to be the opposite of Donald Trump, and that will be easier to do in a universe where he's a massive failure as a President.  
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I hope that his policies lead to what I consider to be success.  However, in many instances, his stated policies would have to fail for that to happen.

 
I don’t think we’re giving boots the answer that he wants and that Trump supporters expect. So let me try again. 

Yes I want to Trump to fail and America to fail. I hate Trump and I hate the United States. I hope everyone suffers under a Trump Presidency because that would prove I was right. I hate Trump so much that whatever Trump likes I hate. If Trump were to feed a bunch of starving children right now I would hope that the food was spoiled and the children starved to death, that’s how much I want Trump to fail. 

Hows that? 

 
I would be comforted if there were instant karma.  I cannot, however, sustain the belief in such a working of the universe.  If there were such a thing I believe Trump would fail and suffer.  The thing is, if he does, so potentially do we.  I suppose there is the possibility he has some sort of epiphany and can change as a man.  Might that lead to different policy initiatives, one might hope.  As of right now I am hoping for the blind squirrel working of the universe when it comes to him.

 
I hate Trump so much that I hate anything that rhymes with Trump. Bump, chump, dump, thump, frump, lump, I hate all of it. I also hate all Donalds and Ronalds. I especially hate Ronald McDonald. 

 
I would be comforted if there were instant karma.  I cannot, however, sustain the belief in such a working of the universe.  If there were such a thing I believe Trump would fail and suffer.  The thing is, if he does, so potentially do we.  I suppose there is the possibility he has some sort of epiphany and can change as a man.  Might that lead to different policy initiatives, one might hope.  As of right now I am hoping for the blind squirrel working of the universe when it comes to him.
We all shine on. 

 
Seems to be a lot of good news about Trump and his policies on todays news.  I have a simple question:  Do you  want his policies to succeed?  I see a lot of posts here where people say they hate him.  This is odd to me.  I didn't care for BO but never hated the man.  Seems a lot of posters here actually hate Trump the man.
Depends.  I don't want his policies that are geared to enriching the already rich, preventing people from coming to this country because they have brown skin, or that will damage the environment to be successful.  I would like to see his policies that actually "drain the swamp," that find a solution to the N. Korea problem that prevents military conflict, that limit access to guns, etc be successful.

At the same time that I would like to see certain policies to be successful, if I'm being honest, I want him to fail in a grand fashion, hopefully preventing a 2nd term with him as POtuS.  If he were to become term-limited, I think his behavior and policies would become even more blatantly crooked, with the goal of enriching him/his family/his friends at the expense of the nation's welfare, without the flimsy attempt at covering that up as we see now.  Furthermore, he is such a divisive leader, that if he were to be elected for 4 more years, I worry that the damage he does won't be able to undone (although I have that worry already).

 
I don’t think we’re giving boots the answer that he wants and that Trump supporters expect. So let me try again. 

Yes I want to Trump to fail and America to fail. I hate Trump and I hate the United States. I hope everyone suffers under a Trump Presidency because that would prove I was right. I hate Trump so much that whatever Trump likes I hate. If Trump were to feed a bunch of starving children right now I would hope that the food was spoiled and the children starved to death, that’s how much I want Trump to fail. 

Hows that? 
Tim once again confirming youre a #####.

Not at all what I was looking for.  I am just surprised at the level of Hate for the man.  I didn't like BO but always hoped for the best if policies I disagreed with were passed.

 
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I strongly dislike Trump.  I also want my country and everyone living in it to thrive.  If his policies lead to that then I'll be happy.  I haven't seen him do much that I find all that positive yet.

 
I strongly dislike Trump.  I also want my country and everyone living in it to thrive.  If his policies lead to that then I'll be happy.  I haven't seen him do much that I find all that positive yet.
So Black and Hispanic unemployment don't count?  Surly that's good news right?  That being said this is the type of posting I was hoping to see.

 
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Tim once again confirming youre a #####.

Not at all what I was looking for.  I am just surprised at the level of Hate for the man.  I didn't like BO but always hoped for the best if policies I disagreed with were passed.
It was a joke Boots. I posted my serious answer earlier

 
I don’t think we’re giving boots the answer that he wants and that Trump supporters expect. So let me try again. 

Yes I want to Trump to fail and America to fail. I hate Trump and I hate the United States. I hope everyone suffers under a Trump Presidency because that would prove I was right. I hate Trump so much that whatever Trump likes I hate. If Trump were to feed a bunch of starving children right now I would hope that the food was spoiled and the children starved to death, that’s how much I want Trump to fail. 

Hows that? 
Wow!  You sound like Trump talking about Obama.

 
So Black and Hispanic unemployment don't count?  Surly that's good news right?  That being said this is the type of posting I was hoping to see.
What policies did he create to make that happen?  How is he directly responsible?  If he is then I'm on board with that.

 
if the policy is banning asasult weapons yes if the policy is closing gun sale background check loopholes and the gun show exception yes take that to the bank brohans 

 
if the policy is ripping apart families like that ice video or crushing dreamers then hell no take that to the bank brohans 

 
So Black and Hispanic unemployment don't count?  Surly that's good news right?
The unemployment rate falling generally is good news for everyone, but it's arguable if Trump has had very much to do with it.  We've basically just continued on the same downward trend we've been on since we pulled out of the last recession, except thing are flattening out now because 4% is basically as low as it's gonna go. Obviously all subgroups of the population have benefited from that trend; if Trump has done something particularly helpful for our black and Hispanic populations I haven't heard about it, and I also haven't heard about their rates improving at a clip that outpaces the broader trend.

And to the broader point of what constitutes "success"- anyone can improve the unemployment rate, if they don't want to worry about any other consequences of the policy decisions. The question is how do you get there.  If Trump is responsible for improving short-term unemployment figures, is he doing it by making small tweaks to fiscal policy, or by selling out the future by making massive tax cuts in an already healthy economy that will balloon the deficit and by removing important regulations that protect public health in the long term? If it's the latter, is that really a "success"? 

 
if the policy is not imposing sanctions on russia or failing to adequately protect election integrity like has been going on then double hell no take that to the bank joanie loves brochachi 

 
if the policy is doing anyting at all to turn back the clock on race relations or to eliminate universal health care than also hell no take that to the bank bromigo

 
Tim once again confirming youre a douch.

Not at all what I was looking for.  I am just surprised at the level of Hate for the man.  I didn't like BO but always hoped for the best if policies I disagreed with were passed.
Trump and Obama are on the complete opposite ends of the spectrum of what it means to be a decent person.  Trump has earned a lot of the hate he receives.  Just listen to him talk down to others, how he treats women and people from other countries.  What did Obama do to receive the hate he got from people?  I know people who absolutely hate Obama and call him the N word any time they talked about him.  These same people love Trump and what's even more baffling is that he's not even doing anything to help them.  For some he may be close to making things much, much worse for them.

 
if the policy is peace on the korean penninsula and possibly mr il tear down this divide without raising arms or combat then i support it more peace equals better take that to the bank 

 
if the policy is the continued elimination of environmental protections and imagining that global warming is not real and removing even the mention of those things from mission statements and websites etc then double triple times one billion hell no take that to the bank teddy brosavelt fans 

 
Tim once again confirming youre a #####.

Not at all what I was looking for.  I am just surprised at the level of Hate for the man.  I didn't like BO but always hoped for the best if policies I disagreed with were passed.
This is the 2nd time you've said you were surprised people hate Trump.

Are you really surprised about this?

He's been openly hostile to Democrats, minorities, and immigrants among other things.

Now while I realize this endears him to some people, it can't be that surprising that a President who sends out so much hate and vitriol is getting the same in return.

Newton's Third Law: For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction.

 
Tim once again confirming youre a #####.

Not at all what I was looking for.  I am just surprised at the level of Hate for the man.  I didn't like BO but always hoped for the best if policies I disagreed with were passed.
Why are you surprised?  Genuine question.  I don't think not liking a person's policies is analogous with not liking the person.  They are separate yet one DOES fuel the other.  It shouldn't be surprising to you that people get bent out of shape about his policies when they feel like they are coming from a morally corrupt source.  This is the first President of my lifetime (43 years old) that embarrasses me as an American.  I knew he was a goof and unqualified from the beginning.  I did not know how much he struggled as a human being, mostly because I never paid attention to him before.

 
Seems to be a lot of good news about Trump and his policies on todays news.  I have a simple question:  Do you  want his policies to succeed?  I see a lot of posts here where people say they hate him.  This is odd to me.  I didn't care for BO but never hated the man.  Seems a lot of posters here actually hate Trump the man.
What are Trump's policies?

Please list and I'll advise

 
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boots11234 said:
Tim once again confirming youre a #####.

Not at all what I was looking for.  I am just surprised at the level of Hate for the man.  I didn't like BO but always hoped for the best if policies I disagreed with were passed.
Not sure why you mentioned this in both posts you made? It isn’t like it’s some strong point you are trying to convey. I voted for Trump and never voted for Obama. That said, you have serious issues if you can’t easily see why people would have much stronger negative feelings towards Trump.....and no, it isn’t because he’s a Republican. 

 
Even though I am a moderate conservative

I do not want to waste money building the wall

While building a strong military is good I think we are spending way too much

I do not want to build newer style nuclear weapons

I want a healthcare system and Trump promised a better healthcare system...what he meant is no healthcare and repeal the mandate(I think Obama care needed reforms to lower outlandish premium increase which I experienced 

He is a racist

I want the dreamers who have committed no crimes to stay 

I do not want NAFTA overturned and do not want tariffs or a trade war

So NO and I consider him a Rino Republican

 
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Ignoratio Elenchi said:
As others have already pointed out, this is a really poorly-formulated question.  On any policy issues where he takes a position I agree with, I want him to be successful; on the rest I want him to fail.  Has nothing to do with Trump the man, that's basically the position I'd take regarding any President. 

But maybe more to your point, I have a strong distaste for Trump the man.  I think he's a terrible person and I don't like the way he conducts himself, don't think he represents us in a positive light, etc.  So in a more general sense (i.e. if I was ambivalent about policy issues), I want him to fail because I don't want to live in a society that believes a man like Trump is qualified to be our President.  I want to raise my boys to be the opposite of Donald Trump, and that will be easier to do in a universe where he's a massive failure as a President.  
:goodposting:  

 
boots11234 said:
I am just surprised at the level of Hate for the man.  I didn't like BO but always hoped for the best if policies I disagreed with were passed.
I’m surprised that you are surprised - he’s a horrible human being who has admitted to grabbing women by the ##### without asking, he mocks disabled people, he’s had a lot of incidents in his life that make it appear that he’s a racist, he’s a narcissist, he obviously unqualified for the position that he holds, he’s cheated on his wives, he calls people names, he lies constantly....I wouldn’t want this guy to be my neighbor and I’m embarrassed he’s our President.

I will say that I don’t hate him but I’m disgusted by him on a daily basis.

 
I hate to break it to you, but I think it's you that's no longer a republican, not him. 
Republicans I know support free trade

Republicans I know worked to balance budgets 

Republicans I know are more than just Pro life but have integrity and character 

 
Let's also remember some of the things Republicans of the past did....Nixon though corrupt started the EPA...Sen Bob Dole co sponsored the Food Stamp program. 

 

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