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Doc takes a perfect game to the 9th in Florida... (1 Viewer)
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Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
you are one jinxing mother####er. dice-k says suck it.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
:towel:
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Great stuff!!
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
Good thing this was posted in the FFA or I never would have heard about it. 
Amused to Death
Footballguy
It was an unearned run, so actually no runs in 7 innings.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
SuperJohn96
RPS World Champion
:sigh:
Northern Voice
Footballguy
It's good to see him getting recognition as the best pitcher in baseball. He has been for about 5 years now.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Went to check my FB scores on CBS...HTH points league...having a terrible week with my pitching staff getting roughed up, Cruz hurt and just a bad week. Pull it up and see I went from 50 points and down by 80 points to 170 and up by 20 today...and enjoy the nice 106 points Doc put up....glad I went pitching in the 1st round this year.
Glaven
Footballguy
thanks for this.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Ubaldo may have something to say about that
sho nuff
Footballguy
You're welcome.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
He can talk all he wants. He's a promising young pitcher, sure, and has put together a fine first 2 months of the season.But, he is not in Halladay's class, yet. Seriously, let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
Ubaldo is the most dominating pitcher at the moment, and has better stuff than anyone in the league. Over the last 365 days he's 21-7 with a 2.43 ERA, .203 OBA, and 1.08 WHIP, and those 365 day numbers are likely to improve up until the All-Star break (after which he really broke out last season).Of course, Halladay's done it about 10 times longer. Most GMs in the league would probably take Halladay's track record and superior command if they had to go with one guy for the rest of the season, all other factors being equal (salary, not thinking about future seasons, etc.).
I think you can good argument for Halladay being the best pitcher in the league, it's close though... with Ubaldo and a handful of other pitchers.
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
Ubaldo is not even close to Halladay. Not yet, he's not. You're just going to have to deal with whatever frustration this causes you.
shadyridr
Footballguy
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Hope your head doesn't explode with this thought, but I might give the Cy Young to Jimenez, if we were handing out the award at the end of May.Maybe that will make you feel better. Enjoy your Memorial Day weekend, gb!
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
lolz
cobalt_27
Footballguy
I understand. People get superduper excited over young talent, and it is not uncommon to get caught up in hyperbole when first introduced. But, we are talking about comparing Jimenez to one of the top 5 pitchers of his generation who, oh-by-the-way, showed his dominance yet again last night. Forgive me if we are getting just a wee bit hasty in our love affair with the kid.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
I think the answer is in how you define the premise. If the premise is of "best pitcher" as defined around career credentials, obviously Halladay is light years ahead of Jimenez. Likewise, I think if the idea is who gives your team the best chance to the win over the next 4-5 months, you can make a good case for Halladay being the best for reasons I outlined above. Although I do think it's worth noting that the next playoff/big game situation that Doc pitches in will be his first. Obviously through no fault of his own.
On the other hand, if you had to pick one player to go out and win a game in the next week, anyone not taking the guy with a 0.88 ERA, .176 OBA, 0.925 WHIP and 9-1 record through 10 starts, has more explaining to do than the people passing on him.
Similarly, if you define "best pitcher" in terms of value to the organization, factoring in age and salary along with ability, Ubaldo is clearly "better". He's 7 years younger than Doc, makes $14 million a year less, and is under an extremely cap friendly contract for 4 more years.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
All very fair points. In terms of "value," would we (should we) be saying the same for Casey McGehee versus A-Rod? He's 7 years younger, makes $32.5 million less, and is outperforming him in offensive production this year.I dunno. I'd still rather have Halladay and ARod over Jimenez and McGehee.
And, it's not even close.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
I think value is somewhat variable depending on the rest of your roster. If you have the Yankees' or Phillies' roster, you might want Halladay and ARod because you are already heavily invested and expect to be major contenders over the next 2-3 years. Even then, it's not really Halladay and ARod vs. Jimenez and McGehee... It's Halladay+ARod vs. Jimenez+McGehee+whatever else $46 million can do for your team. The number of teams in the league that could realistically even afford to have ARod's and Doc's contracts is pretty small.
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
Do people actually believe this crap?
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
He's no Dallas Braden but it was impressive nonetheless.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Absolutely. But, we're now discussing 2 different things: best vs. value. Jimenez may be more valuable than many/most pitchers out there. But, I think folks are getting way way too premature here in putting him ahead of someone like Halladay as the best pitcher of today. If we put the same uniform on both pitchers, threw them out against the same competition on the same day, in the same settings, etc., my confidence that Halladay would perform > than Jimenez is much greater. Not saying Jimenez isn't the ####. He certainly looks like he is. But, I don't think we're there quite yet to say he's better than Halladay.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Jimenez throws a CG, 4-hit shutout in San Francisco today. Lowers his ERA from 0.88 to 0.78.
Imagine how good he'd be if he was "EVEN CLOSE" to Roy???
Imagine how good he'd be if he was "EVEN CLOSE" to Roy???
ffldrew
Footballguy
Jimenez throws a CG, 4-hit shutout in San Francisco today. Lowers his ERA from 0.88 to 0.78.
Imagine how good he'd be if he was "EVEN CLOSE" to Roy???
cobalt_27
Footballguy
He is filthy, no doubt. Almost as good as Halladay from a couple nights ago.Jimenez throws a CG, 4-hit shutout in San Francisco today. Lowers his ERA from 0.88 to 0.78.
Imagine how good he'd be if he was "EVEN CLOSE" to Roy???
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
oh shuke . . .shuke said:
