Doctor violently dragged from full United flight (1 Viewer)

[Zow]

Nah, greed is better.

Think about it this way...

United (and other airlines) are overbooking intentionally and counting on some passengers not showing up. They are basically getting free money for people not using their service/product (not factoring in the money they might have to dish out if everyone shows up).

You don't find it at least a little bit shady and unethical?

Wouldn't a much more fair method be to sell those "projected overbooked" seats as what I would call "maybe" tickets? Give the customer full disclosure. Say, look...you will get on this flight if some people don't show up....but if everyone shows, you can't board. 

It's currently a ####ty process, as shown by this recent occurrence. 

I actually don't think it's a "####ty" process.  Like I said, I benefited from this a ton as a broke college student.  And the airlines likely have smart math people that look at this stuff and come up with no-show rates and estimate the amounts that people are likely to take be to rescheduled.  I think it's good business practice. 

1.  The United situation, as people have pointed out, isn't this situation -- since they needed to involuntarily remove people to unexpectedly try to squeeze in crew. 

2.  United failed miserably at troubleshooting a unique situation.  They should have measures in place for when people just simply refuse to board.  Heck, there had to be some people on that plane who would have gotten off for 2k cash, which is totally the range United should have gone.  But they didn't. But that's on United, not the process. 

 

[Waingro]

I've been saying that and people keep coming back with "concussion". His behavior was nothing like a concussion. More like being odd, drunk, or on something.

It seemed like he was in shock from the traumatic event. 

 

[The General]

It will definitely bounce back when this story fades but it's practically impossible to put an accurate figure on how much money they will lose over this. People all over the world will intentionally choose a different airline over United over this one incident. 

If they stop crapping all over themselves this will be a distant memory in 2 weeks. They'll knock a few dollars of their flights, seats will be filled (over filled ironically), and the stock will come back.

 

[Zow]

FYI I'm on an American airlines flight just now and they are the nicest ever. Today might be the best day to fly in history

No doubt.  I wish I was flying this week. 

 

[fantasycurse42]

Don't change my words. I didn't ask what they would pay to settle with the guy--I asked what they'd pay to make it disappear.  Completely different. You don't think UA would pay 8-figures to make this whole thing magically disappear?  Their stock is down 4% today.  Do you think that gets Munoz' attention?

His response will have the board questioning his employment. 

I'm confident that this situation has his undivided attention right now.

 

[Gianni Verscotchie]

The airlines should be required to not sell 4 seats on every flight.

They could use these open seats to move employees, like this case. Sell to standby customers or use them for people who missed other flights.

They wouldn't have to payoff passengers or pay for accommodations and vouchers.

People would be less pissed overall (and also not get beat up)

 

[3C's]

And now the Twitter scandal arises. People claiming their tweets about UAL being deleted by Twitter.

 

[Righetti]

Poor UnderArmour, their stock price is down, too.. probably people confused about UAA and UAL

 

[Righetti]

FYI I'm on an American airlines flight just now and they are the nicest ever. Today might be the best day to fly in history

I'm sure today is a day you can take one of those flight attendants into the back.. sadly the ones from United all look like Blanche, Dorothy and Sophia

 

[Zow]

Poor UnderArmour, their stock price is down, too.. probably people confused about UAA and UAL

haha seriously?

 

[Zow]

I'm sure today is a day you can take one of those flight attendants into the back.. sadly the ones from United all look like Blanche, Dorothy and Sophia

Is Otis flying today? Maybe that flight attendant will actually be attainable...

 

[Righetti]

haha seriously?

down 2.33% right now.. 

 

[Righetti]

Is Otis flying today? Maybe that flight attendant will actually be attainable...

paging @Otis

 

[3C's]

If they stop crapping all over themselves this will be a distant memory in 2 weeks. They'll knock a few dollars of their flights, seats will be filled (over filled ironically), and the stock will come back.

It already is bouncing back. And I didn't realize until just now but their stock has nearly doubled in less than a year.

 

[Phil Elliott]

At least a mil. I'd take that and free travel for life for a few minutes of drama. This will end overbooking

United would qualify the award, "free travel for life, if seats are available at check in".

 

[fantasycurse42]

http://nypost.com/2017/04/11/doctor-dragged-off-flight-convicted-of-trading-drugs-for-sex/

Wonder who dug this up?

 

[RokNRole]

http://nypost.com/2017/04/11/doctor-dragged-off-flight-convicted-of-trading-drugs-for-sex/

Wonder who dug this up?

Who hasn't done this?

 

[Mookie]

Poor UnderArmour, their stock price is down, too.. probably people confused about UAA and UAL

I blame Jordan Spieth for hitting it in the water on 12 again.

My son got bumped off a United flight last month and they gave him $500.  He's flying Sunday to Costa Rica to surf for 5 weeks.  I've warned him to take the money next time too - it sure is better than getting thumped.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Link pls.

You want a link to a comment on a blog post?

 

[Judge Smails]

Oscar has a bad ticker.  Doesn't need this.  New CEO at United soon IMO.

 

[knowledge dropper]

New United policy.  Don't randomly pick the crazy Japanese guy to bump.  

 

[mquinnjr]

http://nypost.com/2017/04/11/doctor-dragged-off-flight-convicted-of-trading-drugs-for-sex/

Wonder who dug this up?

Ooooooooooof.

Sucks for Dao that his personal life will also be turned upside down by United, but he has to own it and not let it distract the issue of what United did to him because it's the ultimate slight of hand by United.

Would you expect any less than a back-channel leak to the NY Post of a shot at the victim's character from a company as upstanding as United? Story hangs together for me. If Dao isn't all in yet to throw this back at United, he ought to be now.

 

[Buzzbait]

So I guess we are in the "Smear the victim" phase of this.  Red meat for the internet tough guys.  

lol - HEY GUYS IT'S ONLY OKAY TO SMEAR ONE SIDE THE SIDE THAT CREATED THE ISSUE

Fixed

 

[the moops]

New United policy.  Don't randomly pick the crazy Japanese guy to bump.  

Dao is a Vietnamese surname. You call him Japanese. Press has called him Chinese. Very confusing

 

[lod001]

http://nypost.com/2017/04/11/doctor-dragged-off-flight-convicted-of-trading-drugs-for-sex/

Wonder who dug this up?

Told ya all that this guy was a moron & a loser.

 

[massraider]

Told ya all that this guy was a moron & a loser.

When you call everyone a moron and a loser, I'm not impressed when one of them turns out to be.

 

[mquinnjr]

Told ya all that this guy was a moron & a loser.

What exactly does that have to do with Dao getting assaulted for not giving up his seat?

Your question is exactly why United facilitated this info so quickly to the NY Post.

 

[lod001]

he won't get free travel for life.  This isn't Seinfeld.

Maybe he'll get his picture on a billboard in NYC advertising AA.

 

[Sand]

I agree and I don't like UA's chances given that he was already boarded and they were asking for their own convenience.  Regardless of how they try to spin it, the flight wasn't overbooked.  Add in the fact that they may have misled the aviation security as to the passenger's behavior and you've got a bigger PR nightmare than you have now. 

The fact that he had already been boarded and the UA CEO's comment on being "fully booked" makes this a very open question.

If the underlying policy and decision was a reasonable one, I think most people would be OK with law enforcement using force against someone not in compliance.  Like say for example if the guy was on the wrong flight, or he hadn't gone through security, or for some other reason he wasn't supposed to be there but it was because of laws and policies that people are generally OK with.  I doubt there would be much of a story. The story is there because he got dragged out due to policies and decisions by the airlines that most people already hate and consider unfair.  

When you're essentially using the cops as your own private thugs, then, yes, I can certainly see why people are a bit disconcerted.  As far as I'm concerned this was a civil dispute and anywhere else but on a plane the cops would have laughed and said it wasn't their problem.

 

[Sand]

Well, they could have dragged a woman with a crying child sitting nearby. That probably would have been worse.

They exempt children and disabled folks from these IDB actions.

 

[Phil Elliott]

Oscar has a bad ticker.  Doesn't need this.  New CEO at United soon IMO.

Actually he has a new ticker , at least new to him. It was replaced about 17 months ago.

 

[lod001]

What exactly does that have to do with Dao getting assaulted for not giving up his seat?

Your question is exactly why United facilitated this info so quickly to the NY Post.

There was no assault. He was trespassing once he refused to give up the seat and they ####ed his as up like they should have. He's an idiot that got what was coming to him.

 

[Dr Oadi]

down 2.33% right now.. 

That's all?

 

[3C's]

Dao is a Vietnamese surname. You call him Japanese. Press has called him Chinese. Very confusing

That seems likely.

 

[mquinnjr]

There was no assault. He was trespassing once he refused to give up the seat and they ####ed his as up like they should have. He's an idiot that got what was coming to him.

Well, alright then.

 

[lod001]

That's all?

Comical that they are making it appear that it's huge news. Since the start of the year, UAL has lost over 2.5% in 1 day 8 times before today. BFD.

 

[Short Corner]

Sure.  Do what you are told and express your dissatisfaction.

Live to fight another day.

He died?  WTF?

 

[E Street Brat]

he won't get free travel for life.  This isn't Seinfeld.

Maybe the CEO will have to be his butler for a year.

 

[RokNRole]

Not seeing how his past is relevant here

 

[Short Corner]

And now the Twitter scandal arises. People claiming their tweets about UAL being deleted by Twitter.

Happened at reddit too.

 

[Phil Elliott]

Was on a Delta (NWA) flight taking off at Newark. Strong crosswinds so airline asked for 14 passengers to get off to make plane lighter ( they offered compensation). They leave. About 15 min later they all come back on the plane. Pilot says we are going to go to end of run way and burn off x pounds of fuel for 20 minutes instead. A pilot was sitting next to me, takes out a pen and starts crunching some numbers...then says "yes we should be ok". 

 

[chet]

Just checked.  My tweet from yesterday was deleted.  WTF Twitter?

 

[Short Corner]

There was no assault. He was trespassing once he refused to give up the seat and they ####ed his as up like they should have. He's an idiot that got what was coming to him.

If he had a boarding pass he wasn't trespassing.

 

[Dr Oadi]

Just checked.  My tweet from yesterday was deleted.  WTF Twitter?

Twitter ####s up.  What's new

 

[Willie Neslon]

Total BS that this guy's past/personal problems are out now. Talk about adding insult to injury. Has nothing to do with what happened on that plane.

 

[chet]

There was no assault. He was trespassing once he refused to give up the seat and they ####ed his as up like they should have. He's an idiot that got what was coming to him.

Complete uninformed idiocy here.  

 

[Zegras11]

Total BS that this guy's past/personal problems are out now. Talk about adding insult to injury. Has nothing to do with what happened on that plane.

Just saw this.... . The doctor who got his licensed revoked in Kentucky was David Anh Duy Dao and the doctor on the UA flight is David Thanh Duc Dao. 

 

[skycriesmary]

Told ya all that this guy was a moron & a loser.

Oh, so he deserved the beating?

 

[Zegras11]

Southwest New Ad

 

[lod001]

Complete uninformed idiocy here.  

Actually the trespassing part was said on the news this morning (And not on Fox news). You lose. 

The fact is the plane is United's property. They can refund the money and refuse service, it's as simple as that. You have no idea what you are talking about.