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Does Calhoun in Detroit worry KJ owners? (1 Viewer)

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KJ has looked good at times, but Calhoun had the potential of being a late 1st rounder (which was what KJ was). Are the Lions preparing in case KJ doesn't come through, or do they see BC as a Pinner/Bryson kind of 3rd down guy?

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No.

He's a nice player, but I don't think he's featured back material. He's a Kevin Faulk type.

 
I don't own KJ in any league, which is remarkable in itself since I'm in 10+ leagues, but if I did own him, the Calhoun drafting brings zero fear to my heart.

 
I respectfully disagree with the above posters. I think Calhoun is a potential starter, KJ did nothing to keep the job last year, and Martz probably played a role in bringing in a new RB. It would not surprise me to see Calhoun starting by mid-year.

 
KJ got to the point last year where he was giving up a good amount of carries to the other RBs even when healthy. At this point anything other than unbridaled loyalty to KJ would worry me, and that certainly includes drafting a first day RB.

 
I think he'll be given a decent shot to take the roster spot from Pinner in training camp.
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:goodposting: I completely agree.

Edit: I sure flubbed that.

 
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Anytime a new coach comes in, and the last feature RB struggled, you can't make any assumptions. Usually the coach loves him, or hates him, there's not a lot in between.

And the type of defensive coach they now have, I'd think they'd be trying to bring in "his type" of guys. Seems odd to grab a 3rd down back, when you have to change the culture of the whole team.

Then again Martz runs the offense, so it's really hard to gauge who's calling for this pick. Either way, it's not good news. It could turn out that this isn't bad news for KJ, only time will tell.

 
I've watched KJ closely over the past few years, and quite frankly I'm not very impressed. Yeah, part of the problem is a mediocre O-line, but he just doesn't have very good field vision. Often times he's just running into the backs of his lineman.

I don't see why Calhoun wouldn't be given an opportunity if KJ continues to underachieve. BC was a very productive RB in a tough defensive conference, and the Lions must of seen something they liked to take him over an O-lineman (which was a much bigger need imo).

I guess we'll see what plays out in training camp, but to say that BC poses no threat to KJ as the starter is an asinine statement.

 
I've watched KJ closely over the past few years, and quite frankly I'm not very impressed. Yeah, part of the problem is a mediocre O-line, but he just doesn't have very good field vision. Often times he's just running into the backs of his lineman.

I don't see why Calhoun wouldn't be given an opportunity if KJ continues to underachieve. BC was a very productive RB in a tough defensive conference, and the Lions must of seen something they liked to take him over an O-lineman (which was a much bigger need imo).

I guess we'll see what plays out in training camp, but to say that BC poses no threat to KJ as the starter is an asinine statement.
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The Lions drafting Calhoun is a serious threat to KJ. He's not the runner that KJ is so as long as KJ is healthy KJ should get most of the carries on 1st and 2nd downs. However, KJ was already likely to lose the 3rd role to Bryson and Calhoun is at least equal to him in terms of receiving. There's a good chance that KJ becomes a Rudi Johnson-type back and Calhoun takes over the Chris Perry role. That's not a death sentence for KJ since Rudi has been a top 10 back the past two years, but it leaves little room for error on KJ's part. If he's injured or ineffective then the Lions could give Calhoun a shot at the starting job.

 
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If this was a RB drafted on Day Two, then I would not worry. However, the Lions do not have a 4th rounder and used their lone 3rd to take Calhoun.

There's something more to that pick, opinion, other than BPA. Detroit left some money on the table with players available at other positions, as it would be related to team need.

Being a Lions fan and Jones owner, I am very curious and will be watching rookie, mini and early summer camps closely.

 
Martz like a shifty recieving back which Jones hasn't showed me he is. Calhoun catches the ball pretty good and has moves. I don't have Jones nor am I a Lions fan but I would be scared.

 
KJ owners should be worried cause Martz isn't going to give him 300+ carries. He could make up for that by catching alot of passes............not with Calhoun around. He's got far superior receiving ability.

 
KJ owners should be worried cause Martz isn't going to give him 300+ carries. He could make up for that by catching alot of passes............not with Calhoun around. He's got far superior receiving ability.
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And I thought that Calhoun runs tougher than his size would indicate? So factor in his receiver skills with inside running ability and good speed, and he seems like he could be an NFL starter. It will be interesting to watch. I'd imagine it's KJ's job to lose, but he'll probably be on a short leash.
 
you guys act like all these rookie running backs are primed to start. NO! Fight for the 3rd roster spot and sometimes the 2nd. Give me a real thread

 
I'd say Martz's presence should be a major concern for Jones owners (glad I'm not one anymore). If Martz wasn't inclined to run the ball all that often with Marshall Faulk putting up HOF numbers and even with Steven Jackson, what makes people think he'll do so with Kevin Jones? The concern here, IMO, is Martz is a pass-oriented head coach and Jones' biggest weakness is in passing situations. He isn't sure handed and he's terrible at picking up blitzes. His ability to stay on the field consistently will likely come down to any improvements he makes in those areas.

Calhoun, meanwhile, is a very nice RB. He may not be a stud in the NFL but I do believe he'll be a good starter in time and he's already a very good receiver out of the backfield which should enable him to get some playing time this season although Bryson is still on the roster and is far more experienced in that regard. I would anticipate Jones starting with Bryson being the third-down RB but if Calhoun picks things up quickly he could begin to take some of Bryson's snaps away as the season goes along.

 
KJones owner and Badger homer... Not worried about KJones's carries, but am in the passing game. I like the Rudi Johnson comparison above and feel KJones will remain the primary ball carrier, but will be limited on 3rd and/or passing downs. Calhoun will add a lot of versatility the Detroit backfield has been lacking. Solid pick for Detroit in the 3rd!

 
KJones owner and Badger homer... Not worried about KJones's carries, but am in the passing game. I like the Rudi Johnson comparison above and feel KJones will remain the primary ball carrier, but will be limited on 3rd and/or passing downs. Calhoun will add a lot of versatility the Detroit backfield has been lacking. Solid pick for Detroit in the 3rd!
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Exactly, he'll be Rudi without the high number of carries. Rudi gets 350 carries, KJ will be lucky to get 250.
 
I think it's funny. People on this board, including myself think a third round pick has a great chance to overtake a young rb's job coming into his 3rd year. However, the board also feels that Addai is going to have a hard time over taking D. Rhodes...... Who the

---- if D. Rhodes.

 
This board has always had way too much love for KJones. I haven't seen any reason for it yet. Calhoun will be given a shot...whether he takes advantage remains to be seen...but to write the 5th rated RB off as no threat to an underachieving incumbent is probably just wishful thinking on KJ owner's parts.

 
You'd be crazy not to be a KJ owner & not be worried about Calhoun, especially when the rookie was picked by the new regime. It sounds simple, but the best RB will start (it may take awhile to sort out, though).

 
with that offensive line, does it even matter? kj is good, but he looks awful behind those grunts. calhoun is good, but the story will be the same.

 
I've never been even mildly impressed by KJ and never got why anyone else was. True Calhoun might be another K Faulk....or he could be another DD. Anyone not worried is in serious denial because KJ will never be the answer at RB. At the least this could be RBBC looming (for this year anyway).

 
Given what KJ has done the last two years, I would be worried as a KJ owner, period.

Now with Calhoun coming in, yes you have to be worried. Granted that Wisconsin has a great run-first system, but Calhoun is the best back to come out of Wisconsin, ever. I don't think anybody would deny that. This is no Ron Dayne or Michael Bennett. I have never seen a starting tailback for Wisconsin that could catch the ball as well as he can. He is only the second RB in D1 history to get 1500 rushing yards and 500 receiving yards in one year. He expected to be a first round pick. He didn't pass up his senior year to get drafted in the 3rd. Detroit got a steal. He will play with a chip on his shoulder and do very well.

3rd round picks don't grow on trees. There has to be some reason they spent it on Calhoun.

 
Why Calhoun pick makes complete sense

I speculated yesterday that the decision to draft Wisconsin running back Brian Calhoun in the third round made no sense -- unless one of the veteran players was in trouble. Well, as it turns out, two of the veterans are in hot water.

Backup running back Artose Pinner, who is an unsigned restricted free agent and is unhappy with his role in Detroit, has been skipping almost all of the off-season workouts. It has been rumored that the Lions have been trying to trade Pinner's rights during the draft.

Also, return specialist Eddie Drummond has been a disappointment to the offensive coaches. They had hoped to use Drummond much more in the slot receiver position, but he has performed very poorly during the workouts and it appears they'll have to go in another direction. Whether that means Drummond is in danger of losing his gig as a kick returner isn't clear. And, even if Drummond sticks around, Calhoun would be solid in a backup role for the oft-injured Drummond.

What is clear, though, is that the Lions are getting a three-in-one deal with Calhoun. Not only can he be a backup running back and kick returner, but because of his excellent pass receiving skills, he could be used in the slot position.

After taking a lot of grief over the Calhoun pick, it appears the Lions might have solved several problems with just one draft choice.
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I've watched KJ closely over the past few years, and quite frankly I'm not very impressed. Yeah, part of the problem is a mediocre O-line, but he just doesn't have very good field vision. Often times he's just running into the backs of his lineman.

I don't see why Calhoun wouldn't be given an opportunity if KJ continues to underachieve. BC was a very productive RB in a tough defensive conference, and the Lions must of seen something they liked to take him over an O-lineman (which was a much bigger need imo).

I guess we'll see what plays out in training camp, but to say that BC poses no threat to KJ as the starter is an asinine statement.

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KJ owner here...I agree that KJ hasn't shown great vision, however, if he were in KC people would be picking him in the top 5 of the draft because he has special physical abilities; quick, fast and strong. I think the past coaching or lack there of along with poor OL and QB play didn't help KJ. I really think this is his year to see where he belongs in our rankings. He has gotten himself into shape and the proof will be in teh pudding; he must stay healthy.In terms of the draft, anytime another RB is taken it has to be a little concern, but I thought the guy was more a PR/KR and 3rd down type guy. Not a big threat in my mind because if KJ performs the way "we" think he can it won't matter. If he is not the back "we" thought he will lose carries to Bryson anyway.

 
i've been thinking about this one today, and here's my theory....

Martz will turn Calhoun into Shaun McDonald.

 
Calhoun fits the Martz prototype much better than Jones does right? Calhoun is a very talented all around player, which is exactly the type of back that can thrive with ol Martzy. Those of you counting on Calhoun as "only a third down back" obviously missed the number of carries the guy logged at Wisconsin last season. As many or more than just about any division one back. He runs very tough for his size and has proven to be pretty durable.

 
How can drafting Calhoun in the 3rd round not be considered a threat. Just having this thread proves that he is some type of threat, just depends how much.

Assuming that the Lions know what the hell they're doing, there's a reason they just took a RB in the 3rd. Either they aren't confident in what they currently have (because on paper it didn't seem like a NEED considering other spots on the team) or they really think this guy is someone they couldn't pass up at this spot due to talent.

Either way, I don't see how this pick is a good one for KJ owners.

 
To me, this is reminiscent of WGreen/Suggs. KJones, like WGreen, was a high draft pick who finished his rookie season strong, then sucked the next year. Calhoun, like Suggs, comes out as an intriguing guy who is a borderline NFL starter talent. Suggs eventually surpassed WGreen, but even then wasn't the answer for the team. I think that similarly, even if Calhoun manages to pass up KJones, it will be short-term until they get a real replacement.

The big difference, of course, is that WGreen was a mess off the field, whereas KJones seems to be clean. I'd say that gets him a few more shots than Green got, so I'd expect KJones to keep the job for another couple of seasons, in which he either has to be better or he'll be replaced by some new blood (not likely to be Calhoun).

 
KJ Sucking (again), being unproductive (again) and missing time eithered injured (again) or dinged (always) is what should worry KJ owners.

 
Wow, how the mighty have fallen. Two years ago KJ was the fantasy rage and now we are debating whether he is going to lose his job to a 3rd down RB.

 
I've watched KJ closely over the past few years, and quite frankly I'm not very impressed. Yeah, part of the problem is a mediocre O-line, but he just doesn't have very good field vision. Often times he's just running into the backs of his lineman.

I don't see why Calhoun wouldn't be given an opportunity if KJ continues to underachieve. BC was a very productive RB in a tough defensive conference, and the Lions must of seen something they liked to take him over an O-lineman (which was a much bigger need imo).

I guess we'll see what plays out in training camp, but to say that BC poses no threat to KJ as the starter is an asinine statement.

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The Lions drafting Calhoun is a serious threat to KJ. He's not the runner that KJ is so as long as KJ is healthy KJ should get most of the carries on 1st and 2nd downs. However, KJ was already likely to lose the 3rd role to Bryson and Calhoun is at least equal to him in terms of receiving. There's a good chance that KJ becomes a Rudi Johnson-type back and Calhoun takes over the Chris Perry role. That's not a death sentence for KJ since Rudi has been a top 10 back the past two years, but it leaves little room for error on KJ's part. If he's injured or ineffective then the Lions could give Calhoun a shot at the starting job.

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:goodposting: cstu knows stuff.

 
KJ just didn't deliver last year. He had ample opportunity, but had zero 100 yard games and had the THIRD most receptions of any Lion RB (Behind both Pinner and Shawn Bryson).

Bryson just re-signed, and now in comes Calhoun. KJ has one more season, if that, to prove he wasn't a one-hit wonder.

All bets are off if he does deliver this season, but he's far from being written down in ink as the starter for the next 2-4 years.

 
I think he'll be given a decent shot to take the starting job from Pinner in training camp.

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Lions Re-Sign Exclusive Rights FA RB PinnerRB Artose Pinner inked for one year contract

May 1, 2006

ALLEN PARK, Mich. -- The Detroit Lions announced today that they have re-signed exclusive rights free agent RB Artose Pinner to a one-year deal.

Pinner (5-10, 232) enters his fourth season with the Lions who originally drafted him in the fourth round (99th overall) of the 2003 NFL Draft. Last season he carried the ball a career-high 106 times and finished with career bests in rushing yards (349), receptions (21), receiving yards (181) and touchdowns (3) while playing in all 16 games with two starts.

After missing most of his rookie season while recovering from a leg injury suffered in the 2003 Senior Bowl, Pinner played in the final three games of the 2003 season and started two. He began to emerge as a regular contributor during the 2004 season when he played in nine games and started two in place of an injured Kevin Jones. Pinner finished his second season with 174 yards and his first two career touchdowns.

At the University of Kentucky, Pinner started 14 of 34 games and ran for over 100 yards 11 times. He rushed for 2,105 yards and 17 touchdowns on 438 attempts (4.8 avg) and totaled 407 receiving yards and two touchdowns on 58 receptions during his career with the Wildcats.

Pinner attended Hopkinsville (Ky.) High School, where he rushed for 5,829 yards on 704 carries (8.3 avg) and 68 touchdowns as the starting running back his junior and senior seasons. He was named the Class AAA State Player of the Year as a senior after rushing 361 times for 3,274 yards and 33 touchdowns, which also earned him honorable mention All-American by USA Today.

 
I heard on Fox Sports Radio today that the Lions signed rookie FA Matt Berstein, FB, Wisconsin.

Him and Calhoun sure do work well together...

Should also be a nice friendly face for Calhoun to have around during camp...

 
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