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Does Herm Edwards still have a job because (1 Viewer)

No, he has a job b/c he's a high character guy that the ownership probably realizes isn't the worst coach in the league. I would bet they're still leaning toward letting him go, but want to see who is out there before cutting the tether.

 
nohe still has a job b/c they haven't hired the dude who'll fire him yet
Hopefully they take their sweet time so all the HC jobs are taken. Once the Herminator burrows in, like a tick on a dog's ###, he is tough to remove. He destroys fantasy value like no other.My favorite quote: 'I like to keep it close and try and win it in the 4th quarter.' :rolleyes:It never occurred to this bonehead that it would be a better career move to blow the other team out in the 1st half.
 
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Is W/L record the sole criterion for judging a coach? It's tough to make chicken salad out of chicken ####.

 
There are a lot of coaches that hold on to jobs far longer than they should (or are continually hired to new jobs) for no apparent reason and in spite of a poor track record. Just because one of them happens to be black doesn't mean that he still has the job BECAUSE he's black in any way, shape, or form.

How does **** Jauron still have a job? Because he's white?

 
There are a lot of coaches that hold on to jobs far longer than they should (or are continually hired to new jobs) for no apparent reason and in spite of a poor track record. Just because one of them happens to be black doesn't mean that he still has the job BECAUSE he's black in any way, shape, or form.How does **** Jauron still have a job? Because he's white?
The Bills had 5 more wins than the Chiefs this year. Jauron might not be perfect, or good even, but he's gotta be given more slack than Edwards at this point.
 
Naaa, Edwards should get fired but his still being there I seriously doubt has any "Rooney rule" or political quota reasons behind it. Romeo got canned anyway.

Hey, if we really want to fix thingscan we somehow fire stupid old rich white owners? The NFL would be a better place without Al Davis and Jerry Jones involvement anymore.

 
Hey, look! An unanswerable rhetorical question about race from a guy whose mind is already made up!

 
Haven't we been through this nonsense before back when Limbaugh made his last ever ESPN broadcast?

I bet Joe can't wait until some sportswriter sees this thread and writes a piece about what the internet coaching rumors are all about. Let's hope for all of us that FBGs isn't mentioned by name.

 
Serious ridiculous question.
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I don't think that Herm has not been fired because he is Black........but I would not say it's a ridiculous question
Really?? You honestly think the color of his skin plays a key role in his coaching status??
What good has he done?
That's a fair - and even great - question. I'm not a Herm fan and would like to hear that point debated. But the idea that his status is because of his skin color is absolutely ridiculous.
 
Now imagine that Herm Edwards coached for a good organization.
Right. So it's fate's fault that he couldn't win with the Jets and now the Chiefs. What a cop-out.
:rolleyes:You're so desperate for confirmation for your position that you're incapable of recognizing anything else. What I was referring to was the fact that two substandard organizations have taken inordinately long times to fire him, where better organizations wouldn't have taken so long. But you keep on fighting the racist fight, dimwit.
 
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nohe still has a job b/c they haven't hired the dude who'll fire him yet
Hopefully they take their sweet time so all the HC jobs are taken. Once the Herminator burrows in, like a tick on a dog's ###, he is tough to remove. He destroys fantasy value like no other.My favorite quote: 'I like to keep it close and try and win it in the 4th quarter.' :rolleyes:It never occurred to this bonehead that it would be a better career move to blow the other team out in the 1st half.
Riiiight, because they have the personnel to do so.
 
Hey Guys,

Not agreeing with the question is one thing, but I don't think his asking of it is anymore out of place than any other discussion we have where we try to get into the psyche of what motivates an NFL decision maker. Do I think racism played a part in his hiring or his eventual firing? Of course not, but that doesn't mean the thread should be locked.

If you disagree [or agree] with his premise and see no further use for the thread, no easier way than to voice that by leaving the thread and letting it drop off the first page.

 
Now imagine that Herm Edwards coached for a good organization.
Right. So it's fate's fault that he couldn't win with the Jets and now the Chiefs. What a cop-out.
:hifive:You're so desperate for confirmation for your position that you're incapable of recognizing anything else. What I was referring to was the fact that two substandard organizations have taken inordinately long times to fire him, where better organizations wouldn't have taken so long. But you keep on fighting the racist fight, dimwit.
You may have been referring to that, but you did it poorly. How was I supposed to read the sarcasm from that one sentence? It doesn't matter. So why do you think he was kept in both places? I mean you claim to think he should be fired in KC and he didn't do anything in New York. So what took (takes) these organizations so long to fire him? I mean, if a guy like Shanahan can get fired after his tenure in Denver surely Edward's firing wouldn't be all that difficult. Right?
 
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Now imagine that Herm Edwards coached for a good organization.
Right. So it's fate's fault that he couldn't win with the Jets and now the Chiefs. What a cop-out.
:hifive:You're so desperate for confirmation for your position that you're incapable of recognizing anything else. What I was referring to was the fact that two substandard organizations have taken inordinately long times to fire him, where better organizations wouldn't have taken so long. But you keep on fighting the racist fight, dimwit.
You may have been referring to that, but you did it poorly. How was I supposed to read the sarcasm from that one sentence? It doesn't matter. So why do you think he was kept in both places? I mean you claim to think he should be fired in KC and he didn't do anything in New York. So what took (takes) these organizations so long to fire him? I mean, if a guy like Shannahan can get fired after his tenure in Denver surely Edward's firing wouldn't be all that difficult. Right?
You're seriously comparing Pat Bowlen's operation in Denver to the recent Jets and current KC situations? That disparity was the very thing I was pointing out, so if you're blind to that then I don't have much else to say here.
 
Serious ridiculous question.
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I don't think that Herm has not been fired because he is Black........but I would not say it's a ridiculous question
Really?? You honestly think the color of his skin plays a key role in his coaching status??
Do you think it does not? If race is not an issue why have a rule that requires teams to interview black candidates. But like I said in the case of Herm I don't think he still has his job because he is black....but like others have said with the hire of a new GM Herm could be gone
 
Why does everyone give Herm such a hard time for his job with the Jets?

In the 10 seasons before Herm the Jets went to the playoffs twice

During his 5 years there the Jets went to the playoffs 3 times

In the 3 seasons since he left they have been to the playoffs once

 
Now imagine that Herm Edwards coached for a good organization.
Right. So it's fate's fault that he couldn't win with the Jets and now the Chiefs. What a cop-out.
:lmao:You're so desperate for confirmation for your position that you're incapable of recognizing anything else. What I was referring to was the fact that two substandard organizations have taken inordinately long times to fire him, where better organizations wouldn't have taken so long. But you keep on fighting the racist fight, dimwit.
You may have been referring to that, but you did it poorly. How was I supposed to read the sarcasm from that one sentence? It doesn't matter. So why do you think he was kept in both places? I mean you claim to think he should be fired in KC and he didn't do anything in New York. So what took (takes) these organizations so long to fire him? I mean, if a guy like Shannahan can get fired after his tenure in Denver surely Edward's firing wouldn't be all that difficult. Right?
You're seriously comparing Pat Bowlen's operation in Denver to the recent Jets and current KC situations? That disparity was the very thing I was pointing out, so if you're blind to that then I don't have much else to say here.
How are you gleaning the organizational comparison from what I said? I'm not saying the organizations are even remotley related. But if Shanahan can get fired, shockingly to most according to the media, what is so hard about getting rid of Edwards? Unless all you were saying was that the organizations held onto them because they are simply bad organizations to begin with. But even then - they were (are) losing.
 
Now imagine that Herm Edwards coached for a good organization.
Right. So it's fate's fault that he couldn't win with the Jets and now the Chiefs. What a cop-out.
:lmao:You're so desperate for confirmation for your position that you're incapable of recognizing anything else. What I was referring to was the fact that two substandard organizations have taken inordinately long times to fire him, where better organizations wouldn't have taken so long. But you keep on fighting the racist fight, dimwit.
You may have been referring to that, but you did it poorly. How was I supposed to read the sarcasm from that one sentence? It doesn't matter. So why do you think he was kept in both places? I mean you claim to think he should be fired in KC and he didn't do anything in New York. So what took (takes) these organizations so long to fire him? I mean, if a guy like Shannahan can get fired after his tenure in Denver surely Edward's firing wouldn't be all that difficult. Right?
You're seriously comparing Pat Bowlen's operation in Denver to the recent Jets and current KC situations? That disparity was the very thing I was pointing out, so if you're blind to that then I don't have much else to say here.
How are you gleaning the organizational comparison from what I said? I'm not saying the organizations are even remotley related. But if Shanahan can get fired, shockingly to most according to the media, what is so hard about getting rid of Edwards? Unless all you were saying was that the organizations held onto them because they are simply bad organizations to begin with. But even then - they were (are) losing.
If the organizations aren't remotely related, what's the point in mentioning the Broncos? It's a little early to be drinking, isn't it?
 
Hey Guys,Not agreeing with the question is one thing, but I don't think his asking of it is anymore out of place than any other discussion we have where we try to get into the psyche of what motivates an NFL decision maker. Do I think racism played a part in his hiring or his eventual firing? Of course not, but that doesn't mean the thread should be locked.If you disagree [or agree] with his premise and see no further use for the thread, no easier way than to voice that by leaving the thread and letting it drop off the first page.
With this line of thinking, wouldn't it then also be fair to ask about the racial diversity of the FBGs staff and whether race is a major factor in the hirings and job status of people associated with this organization?
 
Now imagine that Herm Edwards coached for a good organization.
Right. So it's fate's fault that he couldn't win with the Jets and now the Chiefs. What a cop-out.
:goodposting:You're so desperate for confirmation for your position that you're incapable of recognizing anything else. What I was referring to was the fact that two substandard organizations have taken inordinately long times to fire him, where better organizations wouldn't have taken so long. But you keep on fighting the racist fight, dimwit.
You may have been referring to that, but you did it poorly. How was I supposed to read the sarcasm from that one sentence? It doesn't matter. So why do you think he was kept in both places? I mean you claim to think he should be fired in KC and he didn't do anything in New York. So what took (takes) these organizations so long to fire him? I mean, if a guy like Shannahan can get fired after his tenure in Denver surely Edward's firing wouldn't be all that difficult. Right?
You're seriously comparing Pat Bowlen's operation in Denver to the recent Jets and current KC situations? That disparity was the very thing I was pointing out, so if you're blind to that then I don't have much else to say here.
How are you gleaning the organizational comparison from what I said? I'm not saying the organizations are even remotley related. But if Shanahan can get fired, shockingly to most according to the media, what is so hard about getting rid of Edwards? Unless all you were saying was that the organizations held onto them because they are simply bad organizations to begin with. But even then - they were (are) losing.
If the organizations aren't remotely related, what's the point in mentioning the Broncos? It's a little early to be drinking, isn't it?
Ummm because they just fired a coach with 2 SB wins and a much better track record for success than Herm. Look, the point is the Chiefs may very well fire Herm when the new GM takes over. But to me, he has done nothing to show that he's a good coach and it seems like his ability to even get a job is because of the Rooney rule. So yes, this is absolutely a race thing. Am I a racist? Not at all. I think Herm is one of the most entertaining interviews and I've heard he's a huge character guy. I love his pressers as he always seems to have something witty to say along with being very candid with the press inasmuch as his position will allow. But he's not an "unfireable" coach nor is he a team rebuilder. I will be very interested to see where his next job takes him and would be very surprised if it's not the broadcast booth.
 
Hey Guys,Not agreeing with the question is one thing, but I don't think his asking of it is anymore out of place than any other discussion we have where we try to get into the psyche of what motivates an NFL decision maker. Do I think racism played a part in his hiring or his eventual firing? Of course not, but that doesn't mean the thread should be locked.If you disagree [or agree] with his premise and see no further use for the thread, no easier way than to voice that by leaving the thread and letting it drop off the first page.
With this line of thinking, wouldn't it then also be fair to ask about the racial diversity of the FBGs staff and whether race is a major factor in the hirings and job status of people associated with this organization?
I would say that is a fair question.....you should start a thread about it! This thread is about Herm!
 
Hey Guys,Not agreeing with the question is one thing, but I don't think his asking of it is anymore out of place than any other discussion we have where we try to get into the psyche of what motivates an NFL decision maker. Do I think racism played a part in his hiring or his eventual firing? Of course not, but that doesn't mean the thread should be locked.If you disagree [or agree] with his premise and see no further use for the thread, no easier way than to voice that by leaving the thread and letting it drop off the first page.
With this line of thinking, wouldn't it then also be fair to ask about the racial diversity of the FBGs staff and whether race is a major factor in the hirings and job status of people associated with this organization?
Why would it not be? What's your point?
 
Hey Guys,Not agreeing with the question is one thing, but I don't think his asking of it is anymore out of place than any other discussion we have where we try to get into the psyche of what motivates an NFL decision maker. Do I think racism played a part in his hiring or his eventual firing? Of course not, but that doesn't mean the thread should be locked.If you disagree [or agree] with his premise and see no further use for the thread, no easier way than to voice that by leaving the thread and letting it drop off the first page.
With this line of thinking, wouldn't it then also be fair to ask about the racial diversity of the FBGs staff and whether race is a major factor in the hirings and job status of people associated with this organization?
I would say that is a fair question.....you should start a thread about it! This thread is about Herm!
Are you a KC fan?
 
Now imagine that Herm Edwards coached for a good organization.
Right. So it's fate's fault that he couldn't win with the Jets and now the Chiefs. What a cop-out.
:kicksrock: You're so desperate for confirmation for your position that you're incapable of recognizing anything else. What I was referring to was the fact that two substandard organizations have taken inordinately long times to fire him, where better organizations wouldn't have taken so long.

But you keep on fighting the racist fight, dimwit.
You may have been referring to that, but you did it poorly. How was I supposed to read the sarcasm from that one sentence? It doesn't matter. So why do you think he was kept in both places? I mean you claim to think he should be fired in KC and he didn't do anything in New York. So what took (takes) these organizations so long to fire him? I mean, if a guy like Shannahan can get fired after his tenure in Denver surely Edward's firing wouldn't be all that difficult. Right?
You're seriously comparing Pat Bowlen's operation in Denver to the recent Jets and current KC situations? That disparity was the very thing I was pointing out, so if you're blind to that then I don't have much else to say here.
How are you gleaning the organizational comparison from what I said? I'm not saying the organizations are even remotley related. But if Shanahan can get fired, shockingly to most according to the media, what is so hard about getting rid of Edwards? Unless all you were saying was that the organizations held onto them because they are simply bad organizations to begin with. But even then - they were (are) losing.
If the organizations aren't remotely related, what's the point in mentioning the Broncos? It's a little early to be drinking, isn't it?
Ummm because they just fired a coach with 2 SB wins and a much better track record for success than Herm. Look, the point is the Chiefs may very well fire Herm when the new GM takes over. But to me, he has done nothing to show that he's a good coach and it seems like his ability to even get a job is because of the Rooney rule. So yes, this is absolutely a race thing. Am I a racist? Not at all. I think Herm is one of the most entertaining interviews and I've heard he's a huge character guy. I love his pressers as he always seems to have something witty to say along with being very candid with the press inasmuch as his position will allow. But he's not an "unfireable" coach nor is he a team rebuilder. I will be very interested to see where his next job takes him and would be very surprised if it's not the broadcast booth.
Haven't you just made a case, small though it is, for how he keeps his job? Also, you have failed so far to point out how what you've described regarding Herm's traits is in any way unique to him or black coaches in general? For example, I see broad parallels between him and Norv Turner, **** Jauron, Wade Phillips, and even some of the coaches who have only one NFL head coaching stop on their resumes. You might want to address how you see differences there before you launch off into some sort of attribution of one man's NFL survival skills to race.

If you're fishing, you're going a great job. If you're making a case for your hypothesis, let's just say you're doing worse at that than Herm Edwards does coaching.

 
No, but I do think that he got the Jets job because he was black. There was a lot of pressure on NFL owners at the time to hire black coaches. What could be better publicity than hiring Herm in the media capital of the world.

Anyway, I don't understand why everyone says that Herm is such a great character guy. Yeah, he says all the right things, but he spent his last year as Jets coach talking to KC about their opening. He lied about it after the season, too. He's a weasel that always blames others before accepting any responsibility. In NY, he blamed his coordinators. The term throwing someone under the bus has Herm's face on it. Then in KC, he inherited aging players and a roster without talent.

He is a survivor though. For an undrafted player, he's made a hell of a career in the NFL. Got to give him props for that.

 
Hey Guys,

Not agreeing with the question is one thing, but I don't think his asking of it is anymore out of place than any other discussion we have where we try to get into the psyche of what motivates an NFL decision maker. Do I think racism played a part in his hiring or his eventual firing? Of course not, but that doesn't mean the thread should be locked.

If you disagree [or agree] with his premise and see no further use for the thread, no easier way than to voice that by leaving the thread and letting it drop off the first page.
With this line of thinking, wouldn't it then also be fair to ask about the racial diversity of the FBGs staff and whether race is a major factor in the hirings and job status of people associated with this organization?
1) No, because we don't discuss FBG business on the forums, you know that KCC2) No, because race is a tacit issue in the NFL thanks to the Rooney Rule [like it or not]

3) Most importantly, while it may be a fishing trip [i can't say for sure], nothing Mookie said was out of line and, again, if the thread isn't to your or others likings just let it die

 
Hey Guys,Not agreeing with the question is one thing, but I don't think his asking of it is anymore out of place than any other discussion we have where we try to get into the psyche of what motivates an NFL decision maker. Do I think racism played a part in his hiring or his eventual firing? Of course not, but that doesn't mean the thread should be locked.If you disagree [or agree] with his premise and see no further use for the thread, no easier way than to voice that by leaving the thread and letting it drop off the first page.
With this line of thinking, wouldn't it then also be fair to ask about the racial diversity of the FBGs staff and whether race is a major factor in the hirings and job status of people associated with this organization?
I would say that is a fair question.....you should start a thread about it! This thread is about Herm!
Are you a KC fan?
NO...I am really a fan of Herm....a real class guy and a good coach
 
Now imagine that Herm Edwards coached for a good organization.
Right. So it's fate's fault that he couldn't win with the Jets and now the Chiefs. What a cop-out.
:thumbup: You're so desperate for confirmation for your position that you're incapable of recognizing anything else. What I was referring to was the fact that two substandard organizations have taken inordinately long times to fire him, where better organizations wouldn't have taken so long.

But you keep on fighting the racist fight, dimwit.
You may have been referring to that, but you did it poorly. How was I supposed to read the sarcasm from that one sentence? It doesn't matter. So why do you think he was kept in both places? I mean you claim to think he should be fired in KC and he didn't do anything in New York. So what took (takes) these organizations so long to fire him? I mean, if a guy like Shannahan can get fired after his tenure in Denver surely Edward's firing wouldn't be all that difficult. Right?
You're seriously comparing Pat Bowlen's operation in Denver to the recent Jets and current KC situations? That disparity was the very thing I was pointing out, so if you're blind to that then I don't have much else to say here.
How are you gleaning the organizational comparison from what I said? I'm not saying the organizations are even remotley related. But if Shanahan can get fired, shockingly to most according to the media, what is so hard about getting rid of Edwards? Unless all you were saying was that the organizations held onto them because they are simply bad organizations to begin with. But even then - they were (are) losing.
If the organizations aren't remotely related, what's the point in mentioning the Broncos? It's a little early to be drinking, isn't it?
Ummm because they just fired a coach with 2 SB wins and a much better track record for success than Herm. Look, the point is the Chiefs may very well fire Herm when the new GM takes over. But to me, he has done nothing to show that he's a good coach and it seems like his ability to even get a job is because of the Rooney rule. So yes, this is absolutely a race thing. Am I a racist? Not at all. I think Herm is one of the most entertaining interviews and I've heard he's a huge character guy. I love his pressers as he always seems to have something witty to say along with being very candid with the press inasmuch as his position will allow. But he's not an "unfireable" coach nor is he a team rebuilder. I will be very interested to see where his next job takes him and would be very surprised if it's not the broadcast booth.
Haven't you just made a case, small though it is, for how he keeps his job? Also, you have failed so far to point out how what you've described regarding Herm's traits is in any way unique to him or black coaches in general? For example, I see broad parallels between him and Norv Turner, **** Jauron, Wade Phillips, and even some of the coaches who have only one NFL head coaching stop on their resumes. You might want to address how you see differences there before you launch off into some sort of attribution of one man's NFL survival skills to race.

If you're fishing, you're going a great job. If you're making a case for your hypothesis, let's just say you're doing worse at that than Herm Edwards does coaching.
I simply asked a question. I have made no real advances as to why I think he's still employed. After all, I have heard zero backlash from the Crennel firing so maybe it's nothing. It's funny how quicly the racist card can be thrown around in here.
 
Now imagine that Herm Edwards coached for a good organization.
Right. So it's fate's fault that he couldn't win with the Jets and now the Chiefs. What a cop-out.
:goodposting: You're so desperate for confirmation for your position that you're incapable of recognizing anything else. What I was referring to was the fact that two substandard organizations have taken inordinately long times to fire him, where better organizations wouldn't have taken so long.

But you keep on fighting the racist fight, dimwit.
You may have been referring to that, but you did it poorly. How was I supposed to read the sarcasm from that one sentence? It doesn't matter. So why do you think he was kept in both places? I mean you claim to think he should be fired in KC and he didn't do anything in New York. So what took (takes) these organizations so long to fire him? I mean, if a guy like Shannahan can get fired after his tenure in Denver surely Edward's firing wouldn't be all that difficult. Right?
You're seriously comparing Pat Bowlen's operation in Denver to the recent Jets and current KC situations? That disparity was the very thing I was pointing out, so if you're blind to that then I don't have much else to say here.
How are you gleaning the organizational comparison from what I said? I'm not saying the organizations are even remotley related. But if Shanahan can get fired, shockingly to most according to the media, what is so hard about getting rid of Edwards? Unless all you were saying was that the organizations held onto them because they are simply bad organizations to begin with. But even then - they were (are) losing.
If the organizations aren't remotely related, what's the point in mentioning the Broncos? It's a little early to be drinking, isn't it?
Ummm because they just fired a coach with 2 SB wins and a much better track record for success than Herm. Look, the point is the Chiefs may very well fire Herm when the new GM takes over. But to me, he has done nothing to show that he's a good coach and it seems like his ability to even get a job is because of the Rooney rule. So yes, this is absolutely a race thing. Am I a racist? Not at all. I think Herm is one of the most entertaining interviews and I've heard he's a huge character guy. I love his pressers as he always seems to have something witty to say along with being very candid with the press inasmuch as his position will allow. But he's not an "unfireable" coach nor is he a team rebuilder. I will be very interested to see where his next job takes him and would be very surprised if it's not the broadcast booth.
Haven't you just made a case, small though it is, for how he keeps his job? Also, you have failed so far to point out how what you've described regarding Herm's traits is in any way unique to him or black coaches in general? For example, I see broad parallels between him and Norv Turner, **** Jauron, Wade Phillips, and even some of the coaches who have only one NFL head coaching stop on their resumes. You might want to address how you see differences there before you launch off into some sort of attribution of one man's NFL survival skills to race.

If you're fishing, you're going a great job. If you're making a case for your hypothesis, let's just say you're doing worse at that than Herm Edwards does coaching.
I simply asked a question. I have made no real advances as to why I think he's still employed. After all, I have heard zero backlash from the Crennel firing so maybe it's nothing. It's funny how quicly the racist card can be thrown around in here.
Unless you're fishing, posing the question and then following it up with your own replies couched as serious discussion means that you believe that the subject matter is at least plausible, even if your own mind is not made up. Your own comments strongly indicate that you believe it's more than plausible.Sorry, but you don't get to suddenly play Columbo and pretend your purposeful question is an innocent one when the reaction gets a little too hot for you.

 
What. Are. You. Talking. About.

I mean, has the reaction even gotten hot? So are you saying that a question like mine only has negative intent? I can't ask that question without being a racist?

 
Also, you have failed so far to point out how what you've described regarding Herm's traits is in any way unique to him or black coaches in general? For example, I see broad parallels between him and Norv Turner, **** Jauron, Wade Phillips, and even some of the coaches who have only one NFL head coaching stop on their resumes. You might want to address how you see differences there before you launch off into some sort of attribution of one man's NFL survival skills to race. If you're fishing, you're going a great job. If you're making a case for your hypothesis, let's just say you're doing worse at that than Herm Edwards does coaching.
I'm still waiting for you to make this basic case for your hypothesis. Can you do it? :lmao:
 

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