Does Hines Ward belong in the Hall of Fame? (1 Viewer)

[The_Man]

Here are Hines Ward's career numbers. Does he belong in the Hall of Fame?

Receptions 800

Receiving Yards 9,780

Receiving TDs 72

4x Pro Bowl selection (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004)

3x All-Pro selection (2002, 2003, 2004)

Super Bowl XL MVP

Steelers Career Records for Receptions, Receiving Yards, & Receiving TDs

 

[CrossEyed]

Right now? Iffy. But I would think he's got several more years left to add to his resume.

 

[Ghost Rider]

3x All-Pro selection (2002, 2003, 2004)

That must mean 2nd team All-Pro because he has NEVER been a first team All-Pro.

 

[Thorpe]

If he gets to 90 TDs and wins another Super Bowl I think he's in.

 

[Godsbrother]

Right now? Iffy. But I would think he's got several more years left to add to his resume.

If he never plays another game I don't think so therefore I voted no. However his career isn't over so let's wait until then to decide.

 

[Wadsworth]

He should get in right after Jimmy Smith. Which is never.

 

[chris1969]

I gave him the benefit of the doubt and I'm definitely not a Steeler fan. The guy brings a lot more to the game with his tenacity and blocking. Also he is always good in the clutch with the big play!

:X :X

 

[gonzobill5]

i'd say he can get in with the condition that lynn swann be removed.

seriously, i think he should be in based on the other things he brings to the wr position. i doubt he does though.

 

[Cover2]

if it was the Hall of Very Good I'd think he'd have a better shot.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Easily. Not first ballot, but easily.

 

[PatsWillWin]

if it was the Hall of Very Good I'd think he'd have a better shot.

Who wouldn't?

 

[JMJ]

I'm not a Steelers fan. And I looooove Hines Ward. One of my favorite non Jets in all the NFL.

Still voted no.

 

[Sheriff66]

Here are Hines Ward's career numbers. Does he belong in the Hall of Fame?Receptions 800 Receiving Yards 9,780 Receiving TDs 72 4x Pro Bowl selection (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004) 3x All-Pro selection (2002, 2003, 2004) Super Bowl XL MVP Steelers Career Records for Receptions, Receiving Yards, & Receiving TDs

Remember, he's not done yet, these numbers will only get better. Do we know of a site that keeps post season stats ?Yes, he will get in, no doubt about it.Recivers that will get in that are not in right now...Tim BrownAndre ReedChris CarterMossHoltHarrisonWardBruceTO(maybe)More recivers will be getting in that have in the past, it may take awhile, but he'll be in Canton.

 

[David Yudkin]

Here are Hines Ward's career numbers. Does he belong in the Hall of Fame?

Receptions 800

Receiving Yards 9,780

Receiving TDs 72

4x Pro Bowl selection (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004)

3x All-Pro selection (2002, 2003, 2004)

Super Bowl XL MVP

Steelers Career Records for Receptions, Receiving Yards, & Receiving TDs

Remember, he's not done yet, these numbers will only get better. Do we know of a site that keeps post season stats ?Yes, he will get in, no doubt about it.

Recivers that will get in that are not in right now...

Tim Brown

Andre Reed

Chris Carter

Moss

Holt

Harrison

Ward

Bruce

TO(maybe)

More recivers will be getting in that have in the past, it may take awhile, but he'll be in Canton.

Playoff stats

 

[travdogg]

Here are Hines Ward's career numbers. Does he belong in the Hall of Fame?Receptions 800 Receiving Yards 9,780 Receiving TDs 72 4x Pro Bowl selection (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004) 3x All-Pro selection (2002, 2003, 2004) Super Bowl XL MVP Steelers Career Records for Receptions, Receiving Yards, & Receiving TDs

Remember, he's not done yet, these numbers will only get better. Do we know of a site that keeps post season stats ?Yes, he will get in, no doubt about it.Recivers that will get in that are not in right now...Tim BrownAndre ReedChris CarterMossHoltHarrisonWardBruceTO(maybe)More recivers will be getting in that have in the past, it may take awhile, but he'll be in Canton.

The problem with that list is that several of those guys(especially Ward) will be passed by better players soon. Guys like:WayneSmithFitzBoldinand further down the line perhaps:MarshallCalvinAJAs of now I think Ward is not a Hall of Famer, I'd take all the guys on your list, plus Jimmy and Rod Smith over Ward right now. Now obviously Ward has time to add to his credentials, but while he's doing that, the guys from my list will be stating their cases for getting in ahead of guys like Ward.I like Ward, but he is to WR what Steve McNair was to QB. A very good player who just isn't HOF worthy.

 

[David Yudkin]

Here are Hines Ward's career numbers. Does he belong in the Hall of Fame?Receptions 800 Receiving Yards 9,780 Receiving TDs 72 4x Pro Bowl selection (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004) 3x All-Pro selection (2002, 2003, 2004) Super Bowl XL MVP Steelers Career Records for Receptions, Receiving Yards, & Receiving TDs

Remember, he's not done yet, these numbers will only get better. Do we know of a site that keeps post season stats ?Yes, he will get in, no doubt about it.Recivers that will get in that are not in right now...Tim BrownAndre ReedChris CarterMossHoltHarrisonWardBruceTO(maybe)More recivers will be getting in that have in the past, it may take awhile, but he'll be in Canton.

You left off Rice and Holt also is a candidate. Someone else mentioned Reggie Wayne, but I think Chad Johnson is also on track if he can bounce back.The problem I have statistically is that right now Ward's numbers are similar to Derrick Mason (but with more TD). I realize Ward is a couple years younger, but I don't see people oohing and aahing over Mason.

 

[Sheriff66]

Here are Hines Ward's career numbers. Does he belong in the Hall of Fame?

Receptions 800

Receiving Yards 9,780

Receiving TDs 72

4x Pro Bowl selection (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004)

3x All-Pro selection (2002, 2003, 2004)

Super Bowl XL MVP

Steelers Career Records for Receptions, Receiving Yards, & Receiving TDs

Remember, he's not done yet, these numbers will only get better. Do we know of a site that keeps post season stats ?Yes, he will get in, no doubt about it.

Recivers that will get in that are not in right now...

Tim Brown

Andre Reed

Chris Carter

Moss

Holt

Harrison

Ward

Bruce

TO(maybe)

More recivers will be getting in that have in the past, it may take awhile, but he'll be in Canton.

Playoff stats

He has better playoff stats than any of the active players on the above list.

 

[Sheriff66]

Here are Hines Ward's career numbers. Does he belong in the Hall of Fame?Receptions 800 Receiving Yards 9,780 Receiving TDs 72 4x Pro Bowl selection (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004) 3x All-Pro selection (2002, 2003, 2004) Super Bowl XL MVP Steelers Career Records for Receptions, Receiving Yards, & Receiving TDs

Remember, he's not done yet, these numbers will only get better. Do we know of a site that keeps post season stats ?Yes, he will get in, no doubt about it.Recivers that will get in that are not in right now...Tim BrownAndre ReedChris CarterMossHoltHarrisonWardBruceTO(maybe)More recivers will be getting in that have in the past, it may take awhile, but he'll be in Canton.

You left off Rice and Holt also is a candidate. Someone else mentioned Reggie Wayne, but I think Chad Johnson is also on track if he can bounce back.The problem I have statistically is that right now Ward's numbers are similar to Derrick Mason (but with more TD). I realize Ward is a couple years younger, but I don't see people oohing and aahing over Mason.

Thank goodness that pure numbers are not all that is taken into account when they choose players for the HOF, and the numbers will be there, Ward will be recognized as the special player he is with a bust in Canton.

 

[David Yudkin]

Just to give people an indea as to how competitive it is to get in at WR, Ward currently ranks 22nd all time in receptions. Yet of the 21 players ranked ahead of him, only 2 are currently HOFers and as already pointed out there are guys behind him that may also catch him.

 

[Sheriff66]

Other Ward HOF thread

Other thread is 133 yes, 172 no, guess I'm not all that delusional.

 

[dutch]

Yes, he will get in, no doubt about it.

Recivers that will get in that are not in right now...

Tim Brown

Andre Reed

Chris Carter

Moss

Holt

Harrison

Ward

Bruce

TO(maybe)

sherriff, what's the argument that Ward is IN while TO is a maybe??

 

[Adebisi]

Here's a topic for discussion: do the Steelers have any future HOFers at all on their roster right now?

 

[bentley]

Yes, he will get in, no doubt about it.

Recivers that will get in that are not in right now...

Tim Brown

Andre Reed

Chris Carter

Moss

Holt

Harrison

Ward

Bruce

TO(maybe)

sherriff, what's the argument that Ward is IN while TO is a maybe??

That's exactly what I was coming to post. I'd say that TO has a better shot than almost anyone on this list.

 

[r3t2]

Here's a topic for discussion: do the Steelers have any future HOFers at all on their roster right now?

ward is iffy and i voted no (as a steelers fan). the hall of fame should be filled with dominant players, the ones that terrify you if your team is playing against them. i love hines ward to death, and he is as clutch as they come (he does NOT drop balls, unlike mr owens), and his post-season stats are superb for a team that wants to run the ball first, but i dont think anyone is game-planning to stop him. i think he should get consideration, but not get in. as to the current steelers getting in, its ben and troy. thats probably it.

 

[travdogg]

Here's a topic for discussion: do the Steelers have any future HOFers at all on their roster right now?

As of now, no they don't. However Roethlisberger and Polamalu are off to good starts and Ward does have an outside chance(especially if he has a late career resurgence) other than that though I don't think so. Hampton has it tough because nose tackles don't seem to get much recognition due to a lack of sacks and Harrison probably took too long to win a starting job(unless he remains a defensive MVP candidate for the next 3-5 years)That being said, if you look at the other teams still in the hunt, the Ravens have:

Lewis(lock)

Reed(well on his way)

Cardinals have:

Warner(iffy)

James(iffy)

Fitz(if he can play at his current level for another 5-6 years)

Boldin(same as Fitz)

Eagles have:

McNabb(iffy)

Westbrook(probably needs 2-3 more elite years)

Samuel(needs to stay at his current level for at least 5 more years)

Dawkins(lock)

 

[ADP]

Yes, he will get in, no doubt about it.

Recivers that will get in that are not in right now...

Tim Brown

Andre Reed

Chris Carter

Moss

Holt

Harrison

Ward

Bruce

TO(maybe)

sherriff, what's the argument that Ward is IN while TO is a maybe??

That's exactly what I was coming to post. I'd say that TO has a better shot than almost anyone on this list.

Moss, Harrison, Brown, & Carter....all have alot better shot than TO.TO would fall in right behind those guys though...followed closely by Bruce, Reed, Holt, & maybe Ward.

 

[bentley]

Yes, he will get in, no doubt about it.

Recivers that will get in that are not in right now...

Tim Brown

Andre Reed

Chris Carter

Moss

Holt

Harrison

Ward

Bruce

TO(maybe)

sherriff, what's the argument that Ward is IN while TO is a maybe??

That's exactly what I was coming to post. I'd say that TO has a better shot than almost anyone on this list.

Moss, Harrison, Brown, & Carter....all have alot better shot than TO.TO would fall in right behind those guys though...followed closely by Bruce, Reed, Holt, & maybe Ward.

I'll give you Moss and Harrison, but I think TO is more of a "sure thing" than Brown or Carter. Of course, we'll never really know how they stack up since they don't vote for the NFL hall of fame like they do for the baseball hall of fame.

 

[thriftyrocker]

I think Art Monk deserves to be there. And if you compare Ward to Monk, it's easy to make a case for Ward

Already more TDs

Already similar All-Pro/Pro-Bowl

Should have more receptions

Needs some luck to have more career yards

Best year is better

On winning teams and SB champs

He is an iconic player on a consistently good team. These are the players that get in.

 

[ceo3west]

Until Carter, Reed & Brown get in, this shouldn't even be discussed.

 

[Wu-banger]

Ward is barely a top 5 WR for his position during the timeframe of his career...

1-4 ..Moss...Owens.. Holt... Harrison.. these four were undeniably better thoughout the same time period Ward played.

#5 is a huge debate between a lot of players, some older guys on there way out (Rice, Carter) and now some younger guys (Fitz, Wayne)have more right to this position than Ward.

I love Ward as a player (non-Steeler fan)-- clutch..plays hard..does the little things.... but he is not a HOF'er.

 

[twitch]

Its interesting how few players on that list have contributed to a championship team. Just look at all those great players with amazing #s and no rings. And Marvin Harrison had very little to do with the Colts winning their ring, during the playoffs anyway. He's never been much of a postseason performer. And Holt's Rams won during his rookie year, when he had less of an impact than at any point in his career. Moss did basically nothing in the playoffs last year until that final drive during the SB. Bruce will get in, if he does, on length and consistency of tenure. But noone can really argue that he's one of the greatest 10 WRs of all-time. But its incredible how much attention all of these wideouts get based on the #s they achieve, yet when the games reach the highest level of importance, their importance is largely minimized. Which makes someone like Hines Ward, a player who's actually won an MVP on the game's greatest stage, that much more of a standout. I think he'll be a lock HOFer, personally. But probably only after being on the ballot for a few years. All the "#s guys" will completely overshadow him.

 

[Sheriff66]

Yes, he will get in, no doubt about it.

Recivers that will get in that are not in right now...

Tim Brown

Andre Reed

Chris Carter

Moss

Holt

Harrison

Ward

Bruce

TO(maybe)

sherriff, what's the argument that Ward is IN while TO is a maybe??

That's exactly what I was coming to post. I'd say that TO has a better shot than almost anyone on this list.

Moss, Harrison, Brown, & Carter....all have alot better shot than TO.TO would fall in right behind those guys though...followed closely by Bruce, Reed, Holt, & maybe Ward.

The only reason I say maybe is because the guy is a cancer on every team he is with, you never know if that will be held against him, on the field and #s are a lock to get in.

 

[phthalatemagic]

No, but it's close. The major problem is that silly trip to Korea

 

[teamroc]

The only reason I say maybe is because the guy is a cancer on every team he is with, you never know if that will be held against him, on the field and #s are a lock to get in.

One of the best WRs to play the game. It's hard to have a hall of fame without TO.139 TDs. All pro 5 times. 14,000 yards.5th on career receiving yards.2nd on career receiving touchdowns.6th on career receptions. If you start a discussion about the greatest WRs in the history of the NFL, and you don't think you need to mention TO, you should probably pickup a new hobby. I hate TO, I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire, but the guy DOMINATED an ERA at the WR position. Probably started the trend of big physical WRs we see now in the NFL. He'll probably finish with 150 TDs. Are you kidding me? He's a lock.

 

[Sheriff66]

The only reason I say maybe is because the guy is a cancer on every team he is with, you never know if that will be held against him, on the field and #s are a lock to get in.

One of the best WRs to play the game. It's hard to have a hall of fame without TO.139 TDs. All pro 5 times. 14,000 yards.

5th on career receiving yards.

2nd on career receiving touchdowns.

6th on career receptions.

If you start a discussion about the greatest WRs in the history of the NFL, and you don't think you need to mention TO, you should probably pickup a new hobby. I hate TO, I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire, but the guy DOMINATED an ERA at the WR position. Probably started the trend of big physical WRs we see now in the NFL. He'll probably finish with 150 TDs. Are you kidding me? He's a lock.

Can you not read ?

 

[brutha]

lmao!

these hof threads are always great it's all about the numbers baby! they should re-name it the "stats HOF" and get rid of those old timey nobodies with far inferior numbers!

 

[SR388]

He should get in right after Jimmy Smith. Which is never.

God, was Jimmy Smith good though. If he hadn't had all those stomach issues he probably would have at least been in the discussion. Right now I say no, but he's got at least 3 good years left on a Super Bowl contender. The blocking will grant him much more consideration then a lot of people think. He's a throwback and a very good receiver on a run first team. I was never a big Hines Ward fan. He used to say some pretty dumb stuff. All the crying by defensive players has really truned me into a fan. I hope they lose today, but I also hope Ward gets Scott, again.

 

[r3t2]

No, but it's close. The major problem is that silly trip to Korea

the exposure he got for that silly trip to south korea actually helped biracial kids. they are discriminated against horribly there, and here comes a biracial "celebrity" that the brass of south korea are fawning over. thats the way these prejudices crumble. even if you think there was too much hype, the bottom line is progress, one step at a time.

 

[The Jacket]

Seriously?

He's not even in the DISCUSSION for Hall of VERY GOOD.

 

[JohnnyU]

Roger Carr > Hines Ward

 

[Pat Patriot]

Here are Hines Ward's career numbers. Does he belong in the Hall of Fame?

Receptions 800

Receiving Yards 9,780

Receiving TDs 72

4x Pro Bowl selection (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004)

3x All-Pro selection (2002, 2003, 2004)

Super Bowl XL MVP

Steelers Career Records for Receptions, Receiving Yards, & Receiving TDs

Actually, Hines Ward is a good player but he was never 1st team All NFL which is what the All Pro (NFL) team is supposed to be. Not once did he have a top 2 in the league season. He wasnt best in the league for even a single season. That is not HOF to me.

 

[bryhamm]

Right now? Iffy. But I would think he's got several more years left to add to his resume.

If he never plays another game I don't think so therefore I voted no. However his career isn't over so let's wait until then to decide.

+1I voted as if his career was over right now, so I voted no (and I'm a Steelers fan).

 

[Pat Patriot]

Right now? Iffy. But I would think he's got several more years left to add to his resume.

If he is iffy now, what can he add to his resume that would make him a Hall of Famer? He's not gonna add any ALL NFL awards. I hate this line of thinking. Stats added after a player has left their prime to pad their stats somehow impresses some people enough to put a guy in the Hall of Fame. You see it more in baseball but it is ridiculous in any sport.

 

[Wadsworth]

He should get in right after Jimmy Smith. Which is never.

God, was Jimmy Smith good though. If he hadn't had all those stomach issues he probably would have at least been in the discussion.

Yea, unlike all of these other WR people are talking about, Jimmy got almost all of his career stats over a short time frame. He had very serious injuries early in his career, had to special teams his way back into the NFL, and then averaged 85 catches and 1,200 yards a year for 10 straight seasons. Those 10 years will stack up against almost anyone, but he only had like 200 yards outside of that time frame.

 

[Wadsworth]

Right now? Iffy. But I would think he's got several more years left to add to his resume.

If he is iffy now, what can he add to his resume that would make him a Hall of Famer? He's not gonna add any ALL NFL awards.

I hate this line of thinking. Stats added after a player has left their prime to pad their stats somehow impresses some people enough to put a guy in the Hall of Fame. You see it more in baseball but it is ridiculous in any sport.

I agree. A lot of local Jags fans use this argument with Fred Taylor. If he can hang on for a couple more seasons and break Jim Brown's career yardage mark he should get in the hall. Getting in the HoF should not be about hanging on, coming back for 1 more season, and padding stats. If Fred Taylor is not a Hall of Famer right now, having 2 more 650 yard seasons as a second option should not change that.

 

[Michael Brown]

Ward's numbers would've been a lot better if the Steelers weren't the Steelers. The smash-mouth style doesn't lend itself to huge passing/receiving statistics, but Hines Ward is every bit the player that Jimmy or Rod Smith were. He also had to play the prime of his career with the likes of Kordell Stewart and Tommy Maddox. Factor in his penchant for coming up big at the biggest moments, his playoff resume, and if they win this year he'll have been the #1 WR on two Super Bowl champs...then factor in his blocking abilities that make him a more well-rounded WR than just about any other in the game today.

He might be in, might not...kind of on the fence. But he's closer to "definitely in" than "definitely out" IMO.

 

[teamroc]

The only reason I say maybe is because the guy is a cancer on every team he is with, you never know if that will be held against him, on the field and #s are a lock to get in.

One of the best WRs to play the game. It's hard to have a hall of fame without TO.139 TDs. All pro 5 times. 14,000 yards.

5th on career receiving yards.

2nd on career receiving touchdowns.

6th on career receptions.

If you start a discussion about the greatest WRs in the history of the NFL, and you don't think you need to mention TO, you should probably pickup a new hobby. I hate TO, I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire, but the guy DOMINATED an ERA at the WR position. Probably started the trend of big physical WRs we see now in the NFL. He'll probably finish with 150 TDs. Are you kidding me? He's a lock.

Can you not read ?

Even if he starts a dog fighting ring this offseason, he's getitng in. There is no maybe. TO is a lock in any respect for the Hall of Fame.

 

[griz145389]

Based on number alone, I don't think he gets in. But he may have been the most complete all around receiver over the last decade or so, so I think that gets him consideration.

Taking a look at the wide receivers that entered the league between 1996 and 2000, I would rank him behind Moss, TO, Harrison, and Holt. The question then is how many do you consider out of that group.

 

[Wadsworth]

Ward's numbers would've been a lot better if the Steelers weren't the Steelers. The smash-mouth style doesn't lend itself to huge passing/receiving statistics, but Hines Ward is every bit the player that Jimmy or Rod Smith were. He also had to play the prime of his career with the likes of Kordell Stewart and Tommy Maddox. Factor in his penchant for coming up big at the biggest moments, his playoff resume, and if they win this year he'll have been the #1 WR on two Super Bowl champs...then factor in his blocking abilities that make him a more well-rounded WR than just about any other in the game today.

He might be in, might not...kind of on the fence. But he's closer to "definitely in" than "definitely out" IMO.

Okay. But you might not want to use Jimmy Smith as a comparison for that point of view. In Jimmy's career, the most TDs any QB throwing to him had in a season was 20. He didn't exactly play for a high flying offenses either. And Jimmy's numbers over his 10 seasons look pretty good in comparison to Hines Ward's current numbers, which is basically 10 seasons. Jimmy has 62 more catches for about 2,500 more yards and 5 fewer TDs. Ward only has 5 seasons over 1,000 yards(that includes seasons of 1003 and 1004 yards) and only 1 over 1,200. Smith had 9 over 1,000 and 5 over 1,200 yards. If you are really a Ward fan, I'd avoid using Jimmy Smith as a comparison in the future.

 

[chitlins3]

What is the argument for Ward over Jimmy Smith, Rod Smith or Derrick Mason - three guys from the same era that virtually no one thinks will get in?