Does it seem that Pac 10 QB are usually busts in the NFL? (1 Viewer)

[Da Guru]

I know that Palmer is doing well and EDIT: Elway, Plunkett, Fouts, Moon and Aikmam..but Aikman was a Sooner first. Bledsoe had a good career passing wise.

Ryan Leaf

Cade McClown

Akili Smith

Todd Marinovich

Billy Joe Hobert

Pat Barnes

Kyle Boller

Joey Harrington.

Steve Bono

Jay Schroeder

Hugh Millen

Chris Chandler even if he played for half the teams in the NFL.

Mike Pagel

Chris Miller ??

Rodney Peete ??

Aaron Rogers

Rich Campbell

Mark Malone

Am I leaving anyone out?

 

[awesomeness]

i would take aaron rodgers off that list.

 

[-OZ-]

In before this turns into a pissing match.

The answer is yes, despite what LHUCKS will say.

 

[Poppa]

Then the occasional Plunkett, Elway, and Fouts...

How could I forget Warren Moon here?

 

[jbz]

Bledsoe, Jake the Snake, Mark Brunell

 

[twitch]

What about Drew Bledsoe and Jake Plummer. Oh. Nevermind.

 

[bjlmonster]

And how many busts do the SEC have, the Big 12, etc?

Look at how many QB's in the league today have come from small schools. I think you will find a ton of Rex Grossman, Charlie Batch, etc. type busts from all divisions. I think it shows how tough it is to be an NFL QB and the fact that many times it is the intangibles that lead to success at the position, not just playing big time college football.

Farve - Southern Miss

Culpepper - Central Florida

Roethlisberger - Miami (OH)

Garrard - East Carolina

Leftwich - Marshall

Garcia - San Jose State

Warner - Northern Iowa

Romo - Eastern Illinois

Kitna - Central Washington

Oh yeah, and add Warren Moon to the pac-10 successes at QB!

 

[EBF]

And how many busts do the SEC have, the Big 12, etc? Look at how many QB's in the league today have come from small schools. I think you will find a ton of Rex Grossman, Charlie Batch, etc. type busts from all divisions. I think it shows how tough it is to be an NFL QB and the fact that many times it is the intangibles that lead to success at the position, not just playing big time college football.Farve - Southern MissCulpepper - Central FloridaRoethlisberger - Miami (OH)Garrard - East CarolinaLeftwich - MarshallGarcia - San Jose StateWarner - Northern IowaRomo - Eastern IllinoisKitna - Central WashingtonOh yeah, and add Warren Moon to the pac-10 successes at QB!

There's nothing in the water that makes one region (i.e. conference) better at supplying professional QBs. It's all a matter of population and probability. If you have 1,000,000 people then you're going to have a QB whose one in a million. Doesn't matter if he comes from California, Florida, Texas, Idaho, or Jupiter.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

More Pac 10 players are busts in the NFL in general, especially at the skill positions (WR, RB, QB, TE). It is more of a "finesse" conference.

 

[EBF]

More Pac 10 players are busts in the NFL in general, especially at the skill positions (WR, RB, QB, TE). It is more of a "finesse" conference.

Can you prove this assertion? I'd be curious to see if a study of the past 10-15 NFL drafts would confirm your statement.

 

[Da Guru]

More Pac 10 players are busts in the NFL in general, especially at the skill positions (WR, RB, QB, TE). It is more of a "finesse" conference.

You may be right..Reggie Bush is having a tough time finding space. Kind of like the Swedes in hockey.

 

[CalBear]

What a stupid thread. Most QBs are usually busts in the NFL. How many conferences have produced five modern-era Hall of Fame QBs? Exactly two: the SEC and the Pac-10. No one else even has four.

 

[awesomeness]

You can add Derek Anderson to the Pac-10 successes <_<

 

[EBF]

More Pac 10 players are busts in the NFL in general, especially at the skill positions (WR, RB, QB, TE). It is more of a "finesse" conference.

You may be right..Reggie Bush is having a tough time finding space.

Steven Jackson. Maurice Drew. Marshawn Lynch. QBs are a crapshoot from any conference. Ditto WRs.

 

[GDogg]

I know that Palmer is doing well and EDIT: Elway, Plunkett, Fouts, Moon and Aikmam..but Aikman was a Sooner first. Bledsoe had a good career passing wise.Ryan Leaf Cade McClown Akili Smith Todd Marinovich Billy Joe Hobert Pat Barnes Kyle Boller Joey Harrington. Steve Bono Jay Schroeder Hugh Millen Chris Chandler even if he played for half the teams in the NFL. Mike Pagel Chris Miller ??Rodney Peete ??Aaron RogersRich CampbellMark MaloneAm I leaving anyone out?

Is this just your list of Pac-10, NFL QB's or are these your busts?There is no way Chris Chandler or Rodney Peete could be considered "busts." Chandler was a 3rd Round pick that spent 16 years or so in the NFL. He played in two Pro Bowls. Rodney Peete is even less of a bust than Chandler. He was a 6th Round pick who also spent 16 years in the NFL. I'm not even sure you could consider Steve Bono, another 6th Round pick, a "bust."

 

[Max Power]

while it may not be true that the PAC-10 produces more Busts at QB than other NCAA conferences, the perception is there. In the last 10 years 3 of the top 5 biggest QB draft busts were from the PAC-10. Harrington, Leif, & Akili Smith. Andre Ware and Heath Shuler being the others.

 

[azgroover]

Low-brow threads like this are just as bad as anything those accuse LHUCKS of doing to cast bait.

Why is Pat Barnes listed? He was a 4th round pick. This thing opens real wide if you want to start calling out bad players from specific conferences who were drafted in the 4th round of any draft.

Same year, same round. Let's talk about how bad of a pick Nicky Sualua was for the Cowboys. Pfff, lousy Big 10 RBs--always drafted too high.

 

[fatness king]

And how many busts do the SEC have, the Big 12, etc? Look at how many QB's in the league today have come from small schools. I think you will find a ton of Rex Grossman, Charlie Batch, etc. type busts from all divisions. I think it shows how tough it is to be an NFL QB and the fact that many times it is the intangibles that lead to success at the position, not just playing big time college football.Farve - Southern MissCulpepper - Central FloridaRoethlisberger - Miami (OH)Garrard - East CarolinaLeftwich - MarshallGarcia - San Jose StateWarner - Northern IowaRomo - Eastern IllinoisKitna - Central WashingtonOh yeah, and add Warren Moon to the pac-10 successes at QB!

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Why oh why would you even mention the Pac 10 on these boards?

 

[Spartans Rule]

Good QBs to come from the Pac 10:

Troy Aikman

Carson Palmer

Rodney Peete

Warren Moon

Chris Chandler

Mark Brunell

Drew Bledsoe

Mark Rypien

Steve Bartkowski

John Elway

Jim Plunkett

Dan Fouts

Jake Plummer

Norm Van Brocklin (maybe too old to count, but he is in the HOF)

Derek Anderson (maybe too soon)

Any more I'm missing?

 

[Despyzer]

Any more I'm missing?

Timm Rosenbach was a good QB on a horrible team until he decided to quit football and join the rodeo circuit.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Any more I'm missing?

Timm Rosenbach was a good QB on a horrible team until he decided to quit football and join the rodeo circuit.

His 1990 season was pretty respectable. I can't believe he had 470 rushing yards. Tecmo Super Bowl certainly didn't reflect that in his speed rating.

 

[Magnum]

More Pac 10 players are busts in the NFL in general, especially at the skill positions (WR, RB, QB, TE). It is more of a "finesse" conference.

LOL! Lets take a look at how the Pac 10's top "finesse" team....the USC Trojans....have done these past five years or so against the big tough guys from the SEC, Big 12, Big 10, etc. Smackdown on Brad Banks and Iowa in the Orange Bowl, two absolute blowouts against Arkansas, took out VaTech, took down Michigan with ease..TWICE, CRUSHED Chokelahoma, stomped Nebraska, etc. etc. The only out of conference loss came to Texas in the last seconds of the title game.

 

[[scooter]]

Steve Bono Jay Schroeder Chris ChandlerChris Miller

Pro-Bowlers.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

More Pac 10 players are busts in the NFL in general, especially at the skill positions (WR, RB, QB, TE). It is more of a "finesse" conference.

LOL! Lets take a look at how the Pac 10's top "finesse" team....the USC Trojans....have done these past five years or so against the big tough guys from the SEC, Big 12, Big 10, etc. Smackdown on Brad Banks and Iowa in the Orange Bowl, two absolute blowouts against Arkansas, took out VaTech, took down Michigan with ease..TWICE, CRUSHED Chokelahoma, stomped Nebraska, etc. etc. The only out of conference loss came to Texas in the last seconds of the title game.

It wasn't called the Pac-1 because it had zero great teams

 

[Krewe]

plenty of busts, plenty of quality qb's who had long NFL careers...

bottom line--the Pac-10 has produced A LOT of NFL qb's. When you have the numbers, you'll have them in both columns.

 

[ShaqAttaq]

rodney peete in the bust list????

he was drafted in the 6th round and was a starter for several years.

 

[Doug Drinen]

Most NFL passing yards, by school, 1920--2006:

+----------------+--------+| College | PassYd |+----------------+--------+| Notre Dame | 178637 || Purdue | 175535 || Stanford | 142220 || Washington | 136805 || Oregon | 125311 || Miami (FL) | 123911 || UCLA | 116054 || Alabama | 114884 || USC | 112268 || Arizona St. | 98819 || Michigan | 91091 || LSU | 86751 || Maryland | 84030 || Penn St. | 82890 || Washington St. | 81477 || Georgia | 81009 || California | 80514 || BYU | 80369 || Pittsburgh | 71720 || Rice | 67752 |+----------------+--------+Seems like the PAC10 is fairly well represented.[FINE PRINT: if a guy played for two schools (e.g. Aikman) this counts him under both.]

 

[Sid G]

plenty of busts, plenty of quality qb's who had long NFL careers...bottom line--the Pac-10 has produced A LOT of NFL qb's. When you have the numbers, you'll have them in both columns.

That sums it up nicely.Seriously, why rip on the Pac-10 for Cade McNown and Akili Smith, when QBs like Jason White and Chris Leak are so obviously not NFL material that teams simply don't bother to use valuable picks on them?

 

[bcr8f]

Chris Miller(hurt)

Aikman

Dan Fouts

Carson Palmer were pretty good. Most QB's drafted don't make it.

 

[Bermuda_Chub]

It's not so much the People Against Contact-10, as it is Cal. More specifically, Jeff Tedford. I'm still finding it hard to believe that Marshawn Lynch is a Jeff Tedford RB.

 

[Andy Herron]

Let's not forget the ESPN analyst we all love to hate, Sean Salisbury. USC

 

[CalBear]

It's not so much the People Against Contact-10, as it is Cal. More specifically, Jeff Tedford. I'm still finding it hard to believe that Marshawn Lynch is a Jeff Tedford RB.

Let me guess: You're a Tennessee fan. Sorry about the beat-down.

 

[John Mamula]

This thread is fairly ridicu

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OH GOD SPIDERS!

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I think this would be a better title for the thread:

Does it seem that QBs are usually busts in the NFL?

The reality is that QB is the hardest position in the league to project. Two of best QBs in the league right now are guys NO ONE saw coming (Brady, Romo) - who have made it because of their intangibles. Carr and Harrington had everything you needed to succeed physically and passed all the character/chalkboard tests and they are nothing more than adequate backups in this league. I don't see any greater rate of failure for PAC 10 QBs than QBs at large.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Most NFL passing yards, by school, 1920--2006:

+----------------+--------+| College		| PassYd |+----------------+--------+| Notre Dame	 | 178637 || Purdue		 | 175535 || Stanford	   | 142220 || Washington	 | 136805 || Oregon		 | 125311 || Miami (FL)	 | 123911 || UCLA		   | 116054 || Alabama		| 114884 || USC			| 112268 || Arizona St.	| 98819  || Michigan	   | 91091  || LSU			| 86751  || Maryland	   | 84030  || Penn St.	   | 82890  || Washington St. | 81477  || Georgia		| 81009  || California	 | 80514  || BYU			| 80369  || Pittsburgh	 | 71720  || Rice		   | 67752  |+----------------+--------+

@ Arizona

 

[Capella]

I'm liking this spiders shtick.

 

[Jayded]

And how many busts do the SEC have, the Big 12, etc?

Look at how many QB's in the league today have come from small schools. I think you will find a ton of Rex Grossman, Charlie Batch, etc. type busts from all divisions. I think it shows how tough it is to be an NFL QB and the fact that many times it is the intangibles that lead to success at the position, not just playing big time college football.

Farve - Southern Miss

Culpepper - Central Florida

Roethlisberger - Miami (OH)

Garrard - East Carolina

Leftwich - Marshall

Garcia - San Jose State

Warner - Northern Iowa

Romo - Eastern Illinois

Kitna - Central Washington

Oh yeah, and add Warren Moon to the pac-10 successes at QB!

Piggybacking off of this post...here's the split by conference for current NFL starters (the QB who's taken the most snaps this year for his team or now seems entrenched) I-A

Pac-10 - 6 (M. Leinart, J. Harrington, T. Edwards, D. Huard, C. Palmer, D. Anderson)

Big Ten - 4 (B. Griese, D. Brees, T. Green, T. Brady)

Conference USA - 4 (B. Favre, C. Pennington, D. Culpepper, D. Garrard)

SEC - 4 (E. Manning, J. Campbell, J. Cutler, P. Manning)

ACC - 3 (M. Hasselbeck, P. Rivers, M. Schaub)

Big East - 2 (D. McNabb, M. Bulger)

Big 12 - 1 (V. Young)

Mid-American - 1 (B. Roethlisberger)

Mountain West - 1 (A. Smith)

Sunbelt - 1 (J. Delhomme)

WAC - 1 (J. Garcia)

D I-AA

SWAC - 2 (T. Jackson, S. McNair)

Ohio Valley - 1 (T. Romo)

D II

North Central - 1 (J. Kitna)

 

[redman]

Yes, Pac-10 QB's are usually busts (whatever that word means) in the NFL. So are QB's from every other conference. Now, to say that they're more likely to be busts than QB's from other conferences seems ignorant.

 

[Sid G]

It's not so much the People Against Contact-10, as it is Cal. More specifically, Jeff Tedford. I'm still finding it hard to believe that Marshawn Lynch is a Jeff Tedford RB.

So...you're using the single data point of J.J. Arrington to draw conclusions about all running backs who play for Tedford?Arrington was a bust. Boller did not live up to his draft position, but he's still playing in the league. Rodgers has had no chance to prove himself. This does not add up to the conclusion that Tedford's players can't be good in the pros.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Low-brow threads like this are just as bad as anything those accuse LHUCKS of doing to cast bait.

 

[GDogg]

It's not so much the People Against Contact-10, as it is Cal. More specifically, Jeff Tedford. I'm still finding it hard to believe that Marshawn Lynch is a Jeff Tedford RB.

So...you're using the single data point of J.J. Arrington to draw conclusions about all running backs who play for Tedford?Arrington was a bust. Boller did not live up to his draft position, but he's still playing in the league. Rodgers has had no chance to prove himself. This does not add up to the conclusion that Tedford's players can't be good in the pros.

"His" guys extend beyond Cal players, though. David Carr is a Tedford guy, Joey Harrington is a Tedford guy, Akili Smith is one and so is Dilfer. All of them were first round draft picks.They haven't lit up the league, but he's put a lot of QB's in the NFL. The list of guys he's coached, and who have subsequently been drafted in the first round, is impressive.He also coached Billy Volek and A.J. Feely.

 

[Bermuda_Chub]

It's not so much the People Against Contact-10, as it is Cal. More specifically, Jeff Tedford. I'm still finding it hard to believe that Marshawn Lynch is a Jeff Tedford RB.

So...you're using the single data point of J.J. Arrington to draw conclusions about all running backs who play for Tedford?Arrington was a bust. Boller did not live up to his draft position, but he's still playing in the league. Rodgers has had no chance to prove himself. This does not add up to the conclusion that Tedford's players can't be good in the pros.

Let's not forget Joey Harrington, David Carr, Trent Dilfer and the original Jeff Tedford QB, by which all others will be measured: Akili Smith. Sure Dilfer was there when the Ravens won a Super Bowl, but Tedford's record of NFL success is about as glowing as Merrill Lynch's success with subprime loans.

 

[GDogg]

It's not so much the People Against Contact-10, as it is Cal. More specifically, Jeff Tedford. I'm still finding it hard to believe that Marshawn Lynch is a Jeff Tedford RB.

So...you're using the single data point of J.J. Arrington to draw conclusions about all running backs who play for Tedford?Arrington was a bust. Boller did not live up to his draft position, but he's still playing in the league. Rodgers has had no chance to prove himself. This does not add up to the conclusion that Tedford's players can't be good in the pros.

Let's not forget Joey Harrington, David Carr, Trent Dilfer and the original Jeff Tedford QB, by which all others will be measured: Akili Smith. Sure Dilfer was there when the Ravens won a Super Bowl, but Tedford's record of NFL success is about as glowing as Merrill Lynch's success with subprime loans.

So, the lack of success of these guys in the NFL falls on Tedford? If anything, it should be a feather in the cap of anyone who can turn Akili Smith and Trent Dilfer into 1st Round draft picks. Let's not forget that Kyle Boller wouldn't have been drafted period, let alone in the 1st Round until Tedford arrived.