Does Mangini's knowledge of NE give the Jets a chance? (1 Viewer)

[KingEl]

Since the Jets coach shoud be an expert on the Patriots Offensive and Def scheme's, does that give an advantage to the Jets? Its eeems like he would know how to attack any weakeness the Patriots have. Then again, the Patriots staff might know his tendancies and exploit them!! Anyone have any thoughts on how this factors into the performances of each team?

Fixed.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

The Master taught young Eric everything he knows, not everything He knows.

But seriously folks, the Jets should be favored based on solid line play and the apparent re-emergence of Pennington to Coles.

Having said that, I look for the Pats to win on the strength of the rookie kicker's leg (hey, some teams can source good kickers; others cant).

 

[Ron_Mexico]

The Master taught young Eric everything he knows, not everything He knows.

 

[brednbuddah]

The Jets played an equally inferior team Sunday in Tenn, they almost blew the game.

As watered down as the Pats are, they should still have enough to beat the Jets, but you never know...

 

[Phlash]

Patriots 31, Jets 17

 

[Klecko HOF]

Depends.

I watched Mike Holmgren, when he was coaching Green Bay, walk into San Fran, and give them a serious beating in the playoffs.

Chucky walked away with the Lombardi after giving Oakland a beating they still haven't recovered from. The defense knew what Callahan had called before he even knew.

I think it gives the Jets a chance. Any Given Sunday, right? The problem for NY, though, is that they are still learning new systems and have some serious flaws, especially in their run defense. they lack a legit NT, which is something I'm sure Mangini will address next April, or during the off season, but it's possible.

I expect a hard fought, tough game. Buffalo was also under a new coach and should have pulled out their game.

 

[Patoons]

Patriots 31, Jets 17

Doubt that Pats offense can put up 31 against this defense.

 

[Bri]

IMO games like this are usually lost by the coach that overthinks things and the 2nd time they matchup is a good indication of things.

 

[dawgtrails]

Doesn't Bill Belichick know as much about Mancini as vice versa?

Really makes no sense to give one team an advantage

 

[Chase Stuart]

With Pennington healthy, the Jets have a shot. New England has owned the Jets in recent years, especially at Giants Stadium. But I'm really looking forward to the game and think the Jets have a great chance, especially since I don't think the NE offense looks very good.

Take the under on this one (37).

What I hope: Jets 16, NE 13

What's probably most likely: NE 17, Jets 10.

 

[Borat]

But seriously folks, the Jets should be favored based on solid line play and the apparent re-emergence of Pennington to Coles.

Seriously?

Doubt that Pats offense can put up 31 against this defense.

"This defense?" Did the Jets suddenly get an imposing defense while no one was paying attention?

 

[PatsWillWin]

Pat 24

Jets 10

 

[Z-Dog]

Since the Jets coach shoud be an expert on the Patriots Offensive and Def scheme's, does that give an advantage to the Jets? Its eeems like he would know how to attack any weakeness the Patriots have. Then again, the Patriots staff might know his tendancies and exploit them!! Anyone have any thoughts on how this factors into the performances of each team?

If the Bills could hang a 17-point lead on New England, you have to believe the Jets have a shot to win. The Pats are obviously the better team though, and I think the Jets will need a stellar performance from at least one more player than they got last week to win.

 

[SSOG]

The fact that this is the NFL gives the Jets a chance. Every year, teams lose games for inexplicable reasons (such as New England losing to Miami in 2004). As the Bills demonstrated last week, on any given Sunday...

 

[Chase Stuart]

The Patriots are 6 point favorites. That typically translates to being 70% likely to winning the game.

 

[PMENFAN]

Since the Jets coach shoud be an expert on the Patriots Offensive and Def scheme's, does that give an advantage to the Jets? Its eeems like he would know how to attack any weakeness the Patriots have. Then again, the Patriots staff might know his tendancies and exploit them!! Anyone have any thoughts on how this factors into the performances of each team?

If the Bills could hang a 17-point lead on New England, you have to believe the Jets have a shot to win. The Pats are obviously the better team though, and I think the Jets will need a stellar performance from at least one more player than they got last week to win.

The Jet's defensive from 4 doesn't even compare to the Bills. That's the #1 thing that gave the Pats trouble. Early on they confused the Pats line. The 17 point lead is flukey, because 7 of it was a defensive TD. The other factor was the Pats were forced to play a very soft D in the first quarter, when the Bills did the damage. Actually, the first 18 or so minutes. Then, the Bills scored no more. This was an offense notobdy had seen, and it was rather effective. Once the Pats saw what they wanted to do, they admusted, and slowed them down, and then stopped them, even to the tune of a safety. The Pats flat out dominated the second half of that game. Now, on the Jets game, you have the inverse. The Jets dominated the first half, and allowed the Titans to come screaming back late, but held on with a late TD. They weren't halped with Nugent being Nugent, because the game should have been over. But, it went from a shutout to a tie game in a hurry. I wasn't watching, so I didn't see the specifics. But, the Pats have a better run game, and Tom Brady isn't Kerry Collins, and I don't care whose at WR this week. The Jets run game isn't nearly what the Bills is, though they have the edge in passing, but that single dimension is what BB loves. The Pats will shut down the run and force Penny to Pass, and though I have Penny, I wouldn't play him, even knowing that. I see 3-4 Ints this wee, and 1 def score for NE. The Jets front 4 is not the Bills, and we saw what Dillon and Maroney did to them. The Jets will have to stack the line, opening up the middle for Watson. He will have a bigger game, and go over 100 w/ a td. I don't know if Brady's going to play though, because he is on the injury report. But, I think he will. I also think we see Jackson and Gabriel. We see the Pats offense this week. I think the Pats come out with a renewed focus from last week. Pats 27 Jets 9. It is the NFL, and any given sunday and all, but I think you've got a better chance of seeing God this Sunday in the Meadowlands than a Jets victory.

 

[Davej626]

Patriots 31, Jets 17

Doubt that Pats offense can put up be held to under 31 against this defense.

Fixed.

 

[Z-Dog]

Since the Jets coach shoud be an expert on the Patriots Offensive and Def scheme's, does that give an advantage to the Jets? Its eeems like he would know how to attack any weakeness the Patriots have. Then again, the Patriots staff might know his tendancies and exploit them!! Anyone have any thoughts on how this factors into the performances of each team?

If the Bills could hang a 17-point lead on New England, you have to believe the Jets have a shot to win. The Pats are obviously the better team though, and I think the Jets will need a stellar performance from at least one more player than they got last week to win.

The Jet's defensive from 4 doesn't even compare to the Bills. That's the #1 thing that gave the Pats trouble. Early on they confused the Pats line. The 17 point lead is flukey, because 7 of it was a defensive TD. The other factor was the Pats were forced to play a very soft D in the first quarter, when the Bills did the damage. Actually, the first 18 or so minutes. Then, the Bills scored no more. This was an offense notobdy had seen, and it was rather effective. Once the Pats saw what they wanted to do, they admusted, and slowed them down, and then stopped them, even to the tune of a safety. The Pats flat out dominated the second half of that game. Now, on the Jets game, you have the inverse. The Jets dominated the first half, and allowed the Titans to come screaming back late, but held on with a late TD. They weren't halped with Nugent being Nugent, because the game should have been over. But, it went from a shutout to a tie game in a hurry. I wasn't watching, so I didn't see the specifics. But, the Pats have a better run game, and Tom Brady isn't Kerry Collins, and I don't care whose at WR this week. The Jets run game isn't nearly what the Bills is, though they have the edge in passing, but that single dimension is what BB loves. The Pats will shut down the run and force Penny to Pass, and though I have Penny, I wouldn't play him, even knowing that. I see 3-4 Ints this wee, and 1 def score for NE. The Jets front 4 is not the Bills, and we saw what Dillon and Maroney did to them. The Jets will have to stack the line, opening up the middle for Watson. He will have a bigger game, and go over 100 w/ a td. I don't know if Brady's going to play though, because he is on the injury report. But, I think he will. I also think we see Jackson and Gabriel. We see the Pats offense this week. I think the Pats come out with a renewed focus from last week. Pats 27 Jets 9. It is the NFL, and any given sunday and all, but I think you've got a better chance of seeing God this Sunday in the Meadowlands than a Jets victory.

My mistake - you're right. The Jets have no shot whatsoever. Vegas has stopped taking bets on the game, b/c they felt bad taking the money from people betting on the Jets.

 

[Workhorse]

Since the Jets coach shoud be an expert on the Patriots Offensive and Def scheme's, does that give an advantage to the Jets? Its eeems like he would know how to attack any weakeness the Patriots have. Then again, the Patriots staff might know his tendancies and exploit them!! Anyone have any thoughts on how this factors into the performances of each team?

If the Bills could hang a 17-point lead on New England, you have to believe the Jets have a shot to win. The Pats are obviously the better team though, and I think the Jets will need a stellar performance from at least one more player than they got last week to win.

The Jet's defensive from 4 doesn't even compare to the Bills. That's the #1 thing that gave the Pats trouble. Early on they confused the Pats line. The 17 point lead is flukey, because 7 of it was a defensive TD. The other factor was the Pats were forced to play a very soft D in the first quarter, when the Bills did the damage. Actually, the first 18 or so minutes. Then, the Bills scored no more. This was an offense notobdy had seen, and it was rather effective. Once the Pats saw what they wanted to do, they admusted, and slowed them down, and then stopped them, even to the tune of a safety. The Pats flat out dominated the second half of that game. Now, on the Jets game, you have the inverse. The Jets dominated the first half, and allowed the Titans to come screaming back late, but held on with a late TD. They weren't halped with Nugent being Nugent, because the game should have been over. But, it went from a shutout to a tie game in a hurry. I wasn't watching, so I didn't see the specifics. But, the Pats have a better run game, and Tom Brady isn't Kerry Collins, and I don't care whose at WR this week. The Jets run game isn't nearly what the Bills is, though they have the edge in passing, but that single dimension is what BB loves. The Pats will shut down the run and force Penny to Pass, and though I have Penny, I wouldn't play him, even knowing that. I see 3-4 Ints this wee, and 1 def score for NE. The Jets front 4 is not the Bills, and we saw what Dillon and Maroney did to them. The Jets will have to stack the line, opening up the middle for Watson. He will have a bigger game, and go over 100 w/ a td. I don't know if Brady's going to play though, because he is on the injury report. But, I think he will. I also think we see Jackson and Gabriel. We see the Pats offense this week. I think the Pats come out with a renewed focus from last week. Pats 27 Jets 9. It is the NFL, and any given sunday and all, but I think you've got a better chance of seeing God this Sunday in the Meadowlands than a Jets victory.

My mistake - you're right. The Jets have no shot whatsoever. Vegas has stopped taking bets on the game, b/c they felt bad taking the money from people betting on the Jets.

You can rip the guys analysis all you want but at least he didn't base his whole argument on one incorrect statement.Buffalo never had a 17 point lead last week.

 

[Shrek]

Since the Jets coach shoud be an expert on the Patriots Offensive and Def scheme's, does that give an advantage to the Jets? Its eeems like he would know how to attack any weakeness the Patriots have. Then again, the Patriots staff might know his tendancies and exploit them!! Anyone have any thoughts on how this factors into the performances of each team?

If the Bills could hang a 17-point lead on New England, you have to believe the Jets have a shot to win. The Pats are obviously the better team though, and I think the Jets will need a stellar performance from at least one more player than they got last week to win.

The Jet's defensive from 4 doesn't even compare to the Bills. That's the #1 thing that gave the Pats trouble. Early on they confused the Pats line. The 17 point lead is flukey, because 7 of it was a defensive TD. The other factor was the Pats were forced to play a very soft D in the first quarter, when the Bills did the damage. Actually, the first 18 or so minutes. Then, the Bills scored no more. This was an offense notobdy had seen, and it was rather effective. Once the Pats saw what they wanted to do, they admusted, and slowed them down, and then stopped them, even to the tune of a safety. The Pats flat out dominated the second half of that game. Now, on the Jets game, you have the inverse. The Jets dominated the first half, and allowed the Titans to come screaming back late, but held on with a late TD. They weren't halped with Nugent being Nugent, because the game should have been over. But, it went from a shutout to a tie game in a hurry. I wasn't watching, so I didn't see the specifics. But, the Pats have a better run game, and Tom Brady isn't Kerry Collins, and I don't care whose at WR this week. The Jets run game isn't nearly what the Bills is, though they have the edge in passing, but that single dimension is what BB loves. The Pats will shut down the run and force Penny to Pass, and though I have Penny, I wouldn't play him, even knowing that. I see 3-4 Ints this wee, and 1 def score for NE. The Jets front 4 is not the Bills, and we saw what Dillon and Maroney did to them. The Jets will have to stack the line, opening up the middle for Watson. He will have a bigger game, and go over 100 w/ a td. I don't know if Brady's going to play though, because he is on the injury report. But, I think he will. I also think we see Jackson and Gabriel. We see the Pats offense this week. I think the Pats come out with a renewed focus from last week. Pats 27 Jets 9. It is the NFL, and any given sunday and all, but I think you've got a better chance of seeing God this Sunday in the Meadowlands than a Jets victory.

My mistake - you're right. The Jets have no shot whatsoever. Vegas has stopped taking bets on the game, b/c they felt bad taking the money from people betting on the Jets.

The good thing about this writeup is that there isn't even a hint of homerism.

 

[Righetti]

Chad Pennington gives the Jets a chance

 

[perry147]

Chad Pennington gives the Jets a chance

And the pats pass defense is not that good.Mangini's knowledge of the Pats defensive schemes makes a difference in the game; I am just a little bit unsure how that knowledge will effect fantasty football points.

 

[NYCGangGreen]

Listen.....the JETS stand more then just a chance. The Patriots and all of their cockiness once again let a key component of the team walk away, while The Sweatshirt Coach believes he can throw anyone on the field and Brady will make them a reliable player. THIS IS NOT SHANAHAN AND THE DENVER RUNNING GAME!!!!!

As long as Penningtons' arm stays healthy and the good ole' fans in Giants Stadium make it a hostile environment, i look for the JETS to walk away with a "W".

Pennington and Coles will look to continue what they had before he left for Washington and firmly put New England on the botton of the division to start the season.

As of Monday September 18 2006, the JETS will be in first place.

New England is bound to falter finally after kicking our ### year in year out!!

 

[Borat]

Listen.....the JETS stand more then just a chance. The Patriots and all of their cockiness once again let a key component of the team walk away, while The Sweatshirt Coach believes he can throw anyone on the field and Brady will make them a reliable player. THIS IS NOT SHANAHAN AND THE DENVER RUNNING GAME!!!!!

Jets fans are so funny.

 

[Rovers]

The Jets and the ENTIRE CS are still by and large, an unknown commodity. You can bet that BB is going to do his best to take advantage of the inexperience on the Jets O line. Mangini knows BB's D schemes. BB doesn't really know what Schotty might throw at him. If Blaylock starts, I think the Pats win. If Barlow starts, the Jets might have a chance. This is a very interesting matchup.... from a coaching standpoint. How would BB scheme against his own defense? Because that's what he'll be playing against.

 

[Bri]

Brady has never lost at the meadowlands and is 8-1 against the Jets

Against the Pats in NY(NJ) Pennington has 1 TD and 7 INTs

Brady almost never loses on turf(or artificial surfaces) he's 15-1

 

[Borat]

How would BB scheme against his own defense? Because that's what he'll be playing against.

Not really. The players the Patriots had on defense when Mangini was in NE are not the same as the players the Jets have on defense today. Furthermore, I think it's a bit naive to assume that Mangini left NE with as good a mind for defense as Belichick has. Yes, he served on Belichick's staff, but that certainly does not make him Belichick's equal.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Can't believe this is an actual thread....

 

[chris1969]

The Patsies aren't anywhere as good as everyone gives them credit for this year and my guess is the J-E-T-S aren't as bad either. This match-up is closer than people think and anyone can win on any given Sunday.

 

[Big Sug]

I am a huge Jets fan and will be at the game on Sunday.

I also think the Pats will rip the Jets a new one. Something like 34-7.

 

[Borat]

The Patsies aren't anywhere as good as everyone gives them credit for this year

This is, like, the 5th year in a row that we've heard this.

 

[Rovers]

How would BB scheme against his own defense? Because that's what he'll be playing against.

Not really. The players the Patriots had on defense when Mangini was in NE are not the same as the players the Jets have on defense today. Furthermore, I think it's a bit naive to assume that Mangini left NE with as good a mind for defense as Belichick has. Yes, he served on Belichick's staff, but that certainly does not make him Belichick's equal.

LOL.... I didn't say Mangini was BB's equal, and obviosly the players are different, which makes potential mismatches different, but the scheme and philosphy are quite similar. Having said that, my point was that game planning against a Mangini team is as close as BB might ever come to scheming angainst himself.

 

[Davej626]

Truth be told, all the AFC East teams play each other tight. I think the Buffalo-Miami game will also be close. I think the Pats beat the Jets by seven. Going out on a limb there seeing the spread is six..

 

[Shrek]

The Patsies aren't anywhere as good as everyone gives them credit for this year

This is, like, the 5th year in a row that we've heard this.

Is it already time for people to start the "Patriots aren't getting any respect" threads? Those come out earlier every year.

 

[TD Ryan]

Truth be told, all the AFC East teams play each other tight.

calling any divisional game "easy" or a "cake walk" is just foolish.sure, NE should win this game (and I believe they will).but I expect it to be a nasty, gritty game.and as rivalries go, NE has had a decided edge (recently), but it's still been juicy:- Boston/New York- Parcells- Curtis Martin- Bill "HC of the NYJ" Belichick- Border Wars- Mo Lewis (Pats all-time MVP?)- Eric Manging- Branch "tampering"Does Mangini give the Jets an edge? compared to what other Pats opponents have to gameplan with, yes.Does Belichick give the Pats an edge? compared to what other Jets opponents have to gameplan with, yes.According to some media accounts, Belichick was furious that Mangini went to the Jets.Belichick wants and "needs" this game just as much as Mangini... and right now, Belichick just has more talent on his side.

 

[Workhorse]

Chad Pennington gives the Jets a chance

And the pats pass defense is not that good.Mangini's knowledge of the Pats defensive schemes makes a difference in the game; I am just a little bit unsure how that knowledge will effect fantasty football points.

What makes you say that the Pats pass defense is not that good? Not saying you are wrong, I'm just curious how you could come to that conclusion based on the Pats performance against the Bills last week...

 

[perry147]

Chad Pennington gives the Jets a chance

And the pats pass defense is not that good.Mangini's knowledge of the Pats defensive schemes makes a difference in the game; I am just a little bit unsure how that knowledge will effect fantasty football points.

What makes you say that the Pats pass defense is not that good? Not saying you are wrong, I'm just curious how you could come to that conclusion based on the Pats performance against the Bills last week...

New England was 31st in the league last year in passing yards allowed.Also 28th with 25 passing scores handed over.

 

[TD Ryan]

New England was 31st in the league last year in passing yards allowed.Also 28th with 25 passing scores handed over.

if NE suffers the same amount of injuries as they had last year, they will again be 31st in the league in pass defense and they will again struggle to stop the run.Bruschi's broken wrist aside, NE is healthy right now.Will they stay that way? remains to be seen.But ranking a healthy NE defense in the bottom third of the league is a bit absurd.

 

[Borat]

The Patsies aren't anywhere as good as everyone gives them credit for this year

This is, like, the 5th year in a row that we've heard this.

Is it already time for people to start the "Patriots aren't getting any respect" threads? Those come out earlier every year.

I don't think I said that. You'd have to be totally clueless to not respect the Patriots at this point. I just said that I've been hearing "the Patriots aren't as good as people think" every season since (and including) their Super Bowl XXXVI season. And I stand by that statement. That's all.

 

[Spike]

While I feel the Pats will win, I really think they'll not cover the spread.

 

[DoubleG]

Patriots 31, Jets 17

Doubt that Pats offense can put up 31 against this OUR defense.

Dude, if you're going to do it right. I love of the Pat lovers who are all gitty because they beat the BILLS, BY 2, AT HOME!

 

[Z-Dog]

Since the Jets coach shoud be an expert on the Patriots Offensive and Def scheme's, does that give an advantage to the Jets? Its eeems like he would know how to attack any weakeness the Patriots have. Then again, the Patriots staff might know his tendancies and exploit them!! Anyone have any thoughts on how this factors into the performances of each team?

If the Bills could hang a 17-point lead on New England, you have to believe the Jets have a shot to win. The Pats are obviously the better team though, and I think the Jets will need a stellar performance from at least one more player than they got last week to win.

The Jet's defensive from 4 doesn't even compare to the Bills. That's the #1 thing that gave the Pats trouble. Early on they confused the Pats line. The 17 point lead is flukey, because 7 of it was a defensive TD. The other factor was the Pats were forced to play a very soft D in the first quarter, when the Bills did the damage. Actually, the first 18 or so minutes. Then, the Bills scored no more. This was an offense notobdy had seen, and it was rather effective. Once the Pats saw what they wanted to do, they admusted, and slowed them down, and then stopped them, even to the tune of a safety. The Pats flat out dominated the second half of that game. Now, on the Jets game, you have the inverse. The Jets dominated the first half, and allowed the Titans to come screaming back late, but held on with a late TD. They weren't halped with Nugent being Nugent, because the game should have been over. But, it went from a shutout to a tie game in a hurry. I wasn't watching, so I didn't see the specifics. But, the Pats have a better run game, and Tom Brady isn't Kerry Collins, and I don't care whose at WR this week. The Jets run game isn't nearly what the Bills is, though they have the edge in passing, but that single dimension is what BB loves. The Pats will shut down the run and force Penny to Pass, and though I have Penny, I wouldn't play him, even knowing that. I see 3-4 Ints this wee, and 1 def score for NE. The Jets front 4 is not the Bills, and we saw what Dillon and Maroney did to them. The Jets will have to stack the line, opening up the middle for Watson. He will have a bigger game, and go over 100 w/ a td. I don't know if Brady's going to play though, because he is on the injury report. But, I think he will. I also think we see Jackson and Gabriel. We see the Pats offense this week. I think the Pats come out with a renewed focus from last week. Pats 27 Jets 9. It is the NFL, and any given sunday and all, but I think you've got a better chance of seeing God this Sunday in the Meadowlands than a Jets victory.

My mistake - you're right. The Jets have no shot whatsoever. Vegas has stopped taking bets on the game, b/c they felt bad taking the money from people betting on the Jets.

You can rip the guys analysis all you want but at least he didn't base his whole argument on one incorrect statement.Buffalo never had a 17 point lead last week.

Ok, I'll wear the for that...As for analysis, it's not that complicated. The Pats failed to dominate Buffalo in New England and barely squeaked out a 2-point win. I think NYJ>Buffalo and have superior personnel at every position group except RB. That tells me that the Jets have a real shot at beating NE in the Meadowlands.PMENFAN based his analysis on a prediciton of Pennington throwing 3-4 INTs - to me, that's not an analysis, it's just a Pats fan beating the drum.

 

[Wingnut]

I am a huge Jets fan and will be at the game on Sunday.I also think the Pats will rip the Jets a new one. Something like 34-7.

Awesome avatar.

 

[Mole]

The Jets really have nothing to lose. The Pats have been beating on them and Pennington for a few years now, if anything this one gets decided by 3.

 

[perry147]

New England was 31st in the league last year in passing yards allowed.Also 28th with 25 passing scores handed over.

if NE suffers the same amount of injuries as they had last year, they will again be 31st in the league in pass defense and they will again struggle to stop the run.Bruschi's broken wrist aside, NE is healthy right now.Will they stay that way? remains to be seen.But ranking a healthy NE defense in the bottom third of the league is a bit absurd.

Pennington's Numbers today306 PaYd, 2 PaTD (71,46), PaInt, 2 RuYdDo you still feel good about the Pats Pass Defense?Hardly absurd.

 

[chris1969]

Chad Pennington gives the Jets a chance

And the pats pass defense is not that good.Mangini's knowledge of the Pats defensive schemes makes a difference in the game; I am just a little bit unsure how that knowledge will effect fantasty football points.

What makes you say that the Pats pass defense is not that good? Not saying you are wrong, I'm just curious how you could come to that conclusion based on the Pats performance against the Bills last week...

Uhmmm the fact that they played the Bills and won by 2 points.

Chad Pennington gives the Jets a chance

And the pats pass defense is not that good.Mangini's knowledge of the Pats defensive schemes makes a difference in the game; I am just a little bit unsure how that knowledge will effect fantasty football points.

What makes you say that the Pats pass defense is not that good? Not saying you are wrong, I'm just curious how you could come to that conclusion based on the Pats performance against the Bills last week...

New England was 31st in the league last year in passing yards allowed.Also 28th with 25 passing scores handed over.

and a 1 TD touchdown game over the Jets. Pennington torched them too! So to sum up, the Patsies have beaten the Bills and Jets by a total of 9 points. The Patsies are nothing special this year, just the best of a bad division and I think that Miami may get it together enough to give them a run for the division. I'm not saying they suck, but they are far from great.