does perfect draft ppr work with qb's getting 6 pts for tds (1 Viewer)

[coachingkanyewest]

does it? great article, but idk if i can use that or not

 

[Captain Hook]

ALL quarterbacks get two more points per touchdown pass

So yes you can use the principles and it is STILL right to wait on drafting your QB (although depending on league size you may then want to double up on them)

 

[coachingkanyewest]

yea we have 12 people

 

[LawFitz]

ALL quarterbacks get two more points per touchdown passSo yes you can use the principles and it is STILL right to wait on drafting your QB (although depending on league size you may then want to double up on them)

Yes but not all QBs throw the same amount of TDs. The extra two points per TD significantly increase the value of Brady, Rodgers and Brees IMO compared to the QBBC guys you will be targeting in rds 7-10. Throw in the consistency provided by the big dog QBs and I think there is a legitimate argument against passing on the elite QBs in six point TD leagues for anyone other than the most elite RBs and WRs. One problem with VBD taken alone is that it ignores performance constancy.

 

[coachingkanyewest]

i mean in my DD with my rules (you also get bonuses for scores) rogers is 7th, brady is 18th, brees is 26, romo is 27, rivers is 28, manning is 31 and vick is 33. so it has me confused to no end.

 

[glong989]

ALL quarterbacks get two more points per touchdown passSo yes you can use the principles and it is STILL right to wait on drafting your QB (although depending on league size you may then want to double up on them)

Yes but not all QBs throw the same amount of TDs. The extra two points per TD significantly increase the value of Brady, Rodgers and Brees IMO compared to the QBBC guys you will be targeting in rds 7-10. Throw in the consistency provided by the big dog QBs and I think there is a legitimate argument against passing on the elite QBs in six point TD leagues for anyone other than the most elite RBs and WRs. One problem with VBD taken alone is that it ignores performance constancy.

This. You can't ignore the fact that a guy who is a good NFL QB who throws 25 TDs in a season is that much farther behind an elite guy who throws 34 during the year when comparing 4 vs 6 pts. In 4 point leagues that's just 36 points - 6 point leagues widens that gap to 54 and that's just TD points without the yardage. The more points a passing TD is worth the wider the gap becomes between the top 7ish QBs and the rest. The rich become richer.You can still certainly use the principals of waiting on your QB, but you can't miss on your top RBs and WRs because they have to now compensate for the lack of scoring you will get when competing against a Brady or Rodgers throwing 2-3 TDs a game compared to your QBBC throwing 1-2.

 

[Jaysports]

ALL quarterbacks get two more points per touchdown passSo yes you can use the principles and it is STILL right to wait on drafting your QB (although depending on league size you may then want to double up on them)

Yes but not all QBs throw the same amount of TDs. The extra two points per TD significantly increase the value of Brady, Rodgers and Brees IMO compared to the QBBC guys you will be targeting in rds 7-10. Throw in the consistency provided by the big dog QBs and I think there is a legitimate argument against passing on the elite QBs in six point TD leagues for anyone other than the most elite RBs and WRs. One problem with VBD taken alone is that it ignores performance constancy.

This. You can't ignore the fact that a guy who is a good NFL QB who throws 25 TDs in a season is that much farther behind an elite guy who throws 34 during the year when comparing 4 vs 6 pts. In 4 point leagues that's just 36 points - 6 point leagues widens that gap to 54 and that's just TD points without the yardage. The more points a passing TD is worth the wider the gap becomes between the top 7ish QBs and the rest. The rich become richer.You can still certainly use the principals of waiting on your QB, but you can't miss on your top RBs and WRs because they have to now compensate for the lack of scoring you will get when competing against a Brady or Rodgers throwing 2-3 TDs a game compared to your QBBC throwing 1-2.

We all know it's relative, the top QB's get 2 extra pts and the 12th best QB gets 2 more pts. In the example above between 34 and 25 TD's, the actual ppg difference between QB's for 4pt per TD and 6pt per TD is an extra 1.125 ppg over the season. I'm not quite sure 1 extra point is enough to warrant extra consideration for taking a QB early if you typically wait on a QB until after round 7 or later. The arguement of having to hit on all early picks is no good imo. It's actually the reverse when taking a QB late, it means you have an extra RB or WR where you didn't take that QB early. This should mean your Flex is significantly stronger than your oponent which may be as great or greater than the difference in the QB gap. You also have extra depth in case one of your RB/WR/TE selections bust like you point out, also helps for injuries and bye weeks which send owners scrambling to find vialble options while you have plenty of options for all scenarios. How often do you hit on all of your early options!?! Just one example comparison out of many you could analyze, and I tried to use same players in similar rounds for a better and easier comparison.QB Early:Lets say you go RB/WR/QB/RB/WR/RB/TEYour team could be something like this - McCoy, Nicks, Rivers, Best, Percy, Stevie J, DanielsStarting lineup assuming flex - River, McCoy, Best, Nicks, Percy, Flex Stevie J, DanielsThis option gives less room for error and a weaker option with whatever player you can find in round 6 for your flex. If you miss on Best or Stevie J who do you turn to?!? Maybe you hit on a few mid to late round flyers, but if not than you could be in a world of hurt at RB2 or your flex spot.QB Late:Lets say you go RB/WR/RB/WR/RB/WR/QB/TE/QByour team could be something like this - McCoy, Nicks, Hillis, Welker, Felix, Stevie J, Stafford, Daniels/Olson type guy, BradfordStarting lineup assuming flex - Stafford, McCoy, Hillis, Nicks, Welker, Flex Felix or Stevie J, Daniels This option gives you more room for error if you miss on a player in the early rounds. You have 3 solid RB's and 3 solid WR's for injuries, bye weeks and flex. You have two breakout potential QB's that could enter the top 10 this year while only losing you a few ppg in 4pt per passing TD and an extra 1ppg on top of that in 6ppg passing TD league.QB Advantage Rivers (QB early)RB Advantage McCoy/Hillis over McCoy/Best (QB late)WR Advantage Nicks/Welker over Nicks/Percy (QB late)TE Advantage None Flex Advantage Stevie J/Felix over just Stevie J (QB late greater due to the fact you can go either or instead of only having Stevie J in QB early option)So, imo you have advantages across the board at all positions with the exception of QB/TE. So, my question would be.....are you sure taking a QB early is enough of a ppg difference to support downgrading at RB/WR/Flex????Long-winded, hope that makes sense.

 

[fightingillini]

ALL quarterbacks get two more points per touchdown passSo yes you can use the principles and it is STILL right to wait on drafting your QB (although depending on league size you may then want to double up on them)

Yes but not all QBs throw the same amount of TDs. The extra two points per TD significantly increase the value of Brady, Rodgers and Brees IMO compared to the QBBC guys you will be targeting in rds 7-10. Throw in the consistency provided by the big dog QBs and I think there is a legitimate argument against passing on the elite QBs in six point TD leagues for anyone other than the most elite RBs and WRs. One problem with VBD taken alone is that it ignores performance constancy.

This. You can't ignore the fact that a guy who is a good NFL QB who throws 25 TDs in a season is that much farther behind an elite guy who throws 34 during the year when comparing 4 vs 6 pts. In 4 point leagues that's just 36 points - 6 point leagues widens that gap to 54 and that's just TD points without the yardage. The more points a passing TD is worth the wider the gap becomes between the top 7ish QBs and the rest. The rich become richer.You can still certainly use the principals of waiting on your QB, but you can't miss on your top RBs and WRs because they have to now compensate for the lack of scoring you will get when competing against a Brady or Rodgers throwing 2-3 TDs a game compared to your QBBC throwing 1-2.

We all know it's relative, the top QB's get 2 extra pts and the 12th best QB gets 2 more pts. In the example above between 34 and 25 TD's, the actual ppg difference between QB's for 4pt per TD and 6pt per TD is an extra 1.125 ppg over the season. I'm not quite sure 1 extra point is enough to warrant extra consideration for taking a QB early if you typically wait on a QB until after round 7 or later. The arguement of having to hit on all early picks is no good imo. It's actually the reverse when taking a QB late, it means you have an extra RB or WR where you didn't take that QB early. This should mean your Flex is significantly stronger than your oponent which may be as great or greater than the difference in the QB gap. You also have extra depth in case one of your RB/WR/TE selections bust like you point out, also helps for injuries and bye weeks which send owners scrambling to find vialble options while you have plenty of options for all scenarios. How often do you hit on all of your early options!?! Just one example comparison out of many you could analyze, and I tried to use same players in similar rounds for a better and easier comparison.QB Early:Lets say you go RB/WR/QB/RB/WR/RB/TEYour team could be something like this - McCoy, Nicks, Rivers, Best, Percy, Stevie J, DanielsStarting lineup assuming flex - River, McCoy, Best, Nicks, Percy, Flex Stevie J, DanielsThis option gives less room for error and a weaker option with whatever player you can find in round 6 for your flex. If you miss on Best or Stevie J who do you turn to?!? Maybe you hit on a few mid to late round flyers, but if not than you could be in a world of hurt at RB2 or your flex spot.QB Late:Lets say you go RB/WR/RB/WR/RB/WR/QB/TE/QByour team could be something like this - McCoy, Nicks, Hillis, Welker, Felix, Stevie J, Stafford, Daniels/Olson type guy, BradfordStarting lineup assuming flex - Stafford, McCoy, Hillis, Nicks, Welker, Flex Felix or Stevie J, Daniels This option gives you more room for error if you miss on a player in the early rounds. You have 3 solid RB's and 3 solid WR's for injuries, bye weeks and flex. You have two breakout potential QB's that could enter the top 10 this year while only losing you a few ppg in 4pt per passing TD and an extra 1ppg on top of that in 6ppg passing TD league.QB Advantage Rivers (QB early)RB Advantage McCoy/Hillis over McCoy/Best (QB late)WR Advantage Nicks/Welker over Nicks/Percy (QB late)TE Advantage None Flex Advantage Stevie J/Felix over just Stevie J (QB late greater due to the fact you can go either or instead of only having Stevie J in QB early option)So, imo you have advantages across the board at all positions with the exception of QB/TE. So, my question would be.....are you sure taking a QB early is enough of a ppg difference to support downgrading at RB/WR/Flex????Long-winded, hope that makes sense.

Good post.My comment is that in a 6 pt per TD pass, I doubt that you will get Stafford in Round 7. I would guess Round 6. QBs generally go 1-2 rounds earlier in a 6 pt per TD pass league.Not only the top QBs toss more TD passes, they also pass for more yardage as well. In one league of mine, I have Rivers (#4QB on my board) scoring 65 pts more than Stafford (#12QB on my board). You can probably get Rivers in round 3 and Stafford in Round 6. So the question is....can you field a RB2 and a WR2 and a RB3 each one round later and lose less than the 65 pts between Rivers and Stafford.....that's the question. Depends on your tiering, and how your leaguemates draft.Personally, I add in the top 5 QBs to my top 50 list and draft BPA for the first 4-5 rounds. If my BPA at the time is a top QB and I don't have one, I don't hesitate to draft him even if it's round 3.Put it this way....if I am in a PPR league with 6 pt TD passes and I can start the draft with McCoy, Nicks and Rivers, I will be

 

[Rick James]

ALL quarterbacks get two more points per touchdown pass

So yes you can use the principles and it is STILL right to wait on drafting your QB (although depending on league size you may then want to double up on them)

Yes but not all QBs throw the same amount of TDs. The extra two points per TD significantly increase the value of Brady, Rodgers and Brees IMO compared to the QBBC guys you will be targeting in rds 7-10. Throw in the consistency provided by the big dog QBs and I think there is a legitimate argument against passing on the elite QBs in six point TD leagues for anyone other than the most elite RBs and WRs. One problem with VBD taken alone is that it ignores performance constancy.

This. You can't ignore the fact that a guy who is a good NFL QB who throws 25 TDs in a season is that much farther behind an elite guy who throws 34 during the year when comparing 4 vs 6 pts. In 4 point leagues that's just 36 points - 6 point leagues widens that gap to 54 and that's just TD points without the yardage. The more points a passing TD is worth the wider the gap becomes between the top 7ish QBs and the rest. The rich become richer.You can still certainly use the principals of waiting on your QB, but you can't miss on your top RBs and WRs because they have to now compensate for the lack of scoring you will get when competing against a Brady or Rodgers throwing 2-3 TDs a game compared to your QBBC throwing 1-2.

We all know it's relative, the top QB's get 2 extra pts and the 12th best QB gets 2 more pts. In the example above between 34 and 25 TD's, the actual ppg difference between QB's for 4pt per TD and 6pt per TD is an extra 1.125 ppg over the season. I'm not quite sure 1 extra point is enough to warrant extra consideration for taking a QB early if you typically wait on a QB until after round 7 or later. The arguement of having to hit on all early picks is no good imo. It's actually the reverse when taking a QB late, it means you have an extra RB or WR where you didn't take that QB early. This should mean your Flex is significantly stronger than your oponent which may be as great or greater than the difference in the QB gap. You also have extra depth in case one of your RB/WR/TE selections bust like you point out, also helps for injuries and bye weeks which send owners scrambling to find vialble options while you have plenty of options for all scenarios. How often do you hit on all of your early options!?!

Just one example comparison out of many you could analyze, and I tried to use same players in similar rounds for a better and easier comparison.

QB Early:

Lets say you go RB/WR/QB/RB/WR/RB/TE

Your team could be something like this - McCoy, Nicks, Rivers, Best, Percy, Stevie J, Daniels

Starting lineup assuming flex - River, McCoy, Best, Nicks, Percy, Flex Stevie J, Daniels

This option gives less room for error and a weaker option with whatever player you can find in round 6 for your flex. If you miss on Best or Stevie J who do you turn to?!? Maybe you hit on a few mid to late round flyers, but if not than you could be in a world of hurt at RB2 or your flex spot.

QB Late:

Lets say you go RB/WR/RB/WR/RB/WR/QB/TE/QB

your team could be something like this - McCoy, Nicks, Hillis, Welker, Felix, Stevie J, Stafford, Daniels/Olson type guy, Bradford

Starting lineup assuming flex - Stafford, McCoy, Hillis, Nicks, Welker, Flex Felix or Stevie J, Daniels

This option gives you more room for error if you miss on a player in the early rounds. You have 3 solid RB's and 3 solid WR's for injuries, bye weeks and flex. You have two breakout potential QB's that could enter the top 10 this year while only losing you a few ppg in 4pt per passing TD and an extra 1ppg on top of that in 6ppg passing TD league.

QB Advantage Rivers (QB early)

RB Advantage McCoy/Hillis over McCoy/Best (QB late)

WR Advantage Nicks/Welker over Nicks/Percy (QB late)

TE Advantage None

Flex Advantage Stevie J/Felix over just Stevie J (QB late greater due to the fact you can go either or instead of only having Stevie J in QB early option)

So, imo you have advantages across the board at all positions with the exception of QB/TE. So, my question would be.....are you sure taking a QB early is enough of a ppg difference to support downgrading at RB/WR/Flex????

Long-winded, hope that makes sense.

Good post.My comment is that in a 6 pt per TD pass, I doubt that you will get Stafford in Round 7. I would guess Round 6. QBs generally go 1-2 rounds earlier in a 6 pt per TD pass league.

Not only the top QBs toss more TD passes, they also pass for more yardage as well. In one league of mine, I have Rivers (#4QB on my board) scoring 65 pts more than Stafford (#12QB on my board). You can probably get Rivers in round 3 and Stafford in Round 6. So the question is....can you field a RB2 and a WR2 and a RB3 each one round later and lose less than the 65 pts between Rivers and Stafford.....that's the question. Depends on your tiering, and how your leaguemates draft.

Personally, I add in the top 5 QBs to my top 50 list and draft BPA for the first 4-5 rounds. If my BPA at the time is a top QB and I don't have one, I don't hesitate to draft him even if it's round 3.

Put it this way....if I am in a PPR league with 6 pt TD passes and I can start the draft with McCoy, Nicks and Rivers, I will be

I've done 6-point-per-passing-TD leagues exclusively, and I will tell you that there is no way Stafford will go in the 6th round of your draft. Typically in round 6 you'll have guys like Big Ben, Matt Ryan, and maybe Joe Flacco (maybe). Stafford isn't off the board until the 8-9-10 area.

 

[Frank Black]

I have noticed that in many leagues that have 6 pts per TD pass, the yardage scoring is 1 point per 20 yards, which again favors the top QBs. Does the analysis change if the league scoring is 1 point per 20 yards instead of 1 point per 25 yards that other leagues have?

 

[Warrior]

ALL quarterbacks get two more points per touchdown pass

So yes you can use the principles and it is STILL right to wait on drafting your QB (although depending on league size you may then want to double up on them)

Yes but not all QBs throw the same amount of TDs. The extra two points per TD significantly increase the value of Brady, Rodgers and Brees IMO compared to the QBBC guys you will be targeting in rds 7-10. Throw in the consistency provided by the big dog QBs and I think there is a legitimate argument against passing on the elite QBs in six point TD leagues for anyone other than the most elite RBs and WRs. One problem with VBD taken alone is that it ignores performance constancy.

This. You can't ignore the fact that a guy who is a good NFL QB who throws 25 TDs in a season is that much farther behind an elite guy who throws 34 during the year when comparing 4 vs 6 pts. In 4 point leagues that's just 36 points - 6 point leagues widens that gap to 54 and that's just TD points without the yardage. The more points a passing TD is worth the wider the gap becomes between the top 7ish QBs and the rest. The rich become richer.You can still certainly use the principals of waiting on your QB, but you can't miss on your top RBs and WRs because they have to now compensate for the lack of scoring you will get when competing against a Brady or Rodgers throwing 2-3 TDs a game compared to your QBBC throwing 1-2.

We all know it's relative, the top QB's get 2 extra pts and the 12th best QB gets 2 more pts. In the example above between 34 and 25 TD's, the actual ppg difference between QB's for 4pt per TD and 6pt per TD is an extra 1.125 ppg over the season. I'm not quite sure 1 extra point is enough to warrant extra consideration for taking a QB early if you typically wait on a QB until after round 7 or later. The arguement of having to hit on all early picks is no good imo. It's actually the reverse when taking a QB late, it means you have an extra RB or WR where you didn't take that QB early. This should mean your Flex is significantly stronger than your oponent which may be as great or greater than the difference in the QB gap. You also have extra depth in case one of your RB/WR/TE selections bust like you point out, also helps for injuries and bye weeks which send owners scrambling to find vialble options while you have plenty of options for all scenarios. How often do you hit on all of your early options!?!

Just one example comparison out of many you could analyze, and I tried to use same players in similar rounds for a better and easier comparison.

QB Early:

Lets say you go RB/WR/QB/RB/WR/RB/TE

Your team could be something like this - McCoy, Nicks, Rivers, Best, Percy, Stevie J, Daniels

Starting lineup assuming flex - River, McCoy, Best, Nicks, Percy, Flex Stevie J, Daniels

This option gives less room for error and a weaker option with whatever player you can find in round 6 for your flex. If you miss on Best or Stevie J who do you turn to?!? Maybe you hit on a few mid to late round flyers, but if not than you could be in a world of hurt at RB2 or your flex spot.

QB Late:

Lets say you go RB/WR/RB/WR/RB/WR/QB/TE/QB

your team could be something like this - McCoy, Nicks, Hillis, Welker, Felix, Stevie J, Stafford, Daniels/Olson type guy, Bradford

Starting lineup assuming flex - Stafford, McCoy, Hillis, Nicks, Welker, Flex Felix or Stevie J, Daniels

This option gives you more room for error if you miss on a player in the early rounds. You have 3 solid RB's and 3 solid WR's for injuries, bye weeks and flex. You have two breakout potential QB's that could enter the top 10 this year while only losing you a few ppg in 4pt per passing TD and an extra 1ppg on top of that in 6ppg passing TD league.

QB Advantage Rivers (QB early)

RB Advantage McCoy/Hillis over McCoy/Best (QB late)

WR Advantage Nicks/Welker over Nicks/Percy (QB late)

TE Advantage None

Flex Advantage Stevie J/Felix over just Stevie J (QB late greater due to the fact you can go either or instead of only having Stevie J in QB early option)

So, imo you have advantages across the board at all positions with the exception of QB/TE. So, my question would be.....are you sure taking a QB early is enough of a ppg difference to support downgrading at RB/WR/Flex????

Long-winded, hope that makes sense.

Good post.My comment is that in a 6 pt per TD pass, I doubt that you will get Stafford in Round 7. I would guess Round 6. QBs generally go 1-2 rounds earlier in a 6 pt per TD pass league.

Not only the top QBs toss more TD passes, they also pass for more yardage as well. In one league of mine, I have Rivers (#4QB on my board) scoring 65 pts more than Stafford (#12QB on my board). You can probably get Rivers in round 3 and Stafford in Round 6. So the question is....can you field a RB2 and a WR2 and a RB3 each one round later and lose less than the 65 pts between Rivers and Stafford.....that's the question. Depends on your tiering, and how your leaguemates draft.

Personally, I add in the top 5 QBs to my top 50 list and draft BPA for the first 4-5 rounds. If my BPA at the time is a top QB and I don't have one, I don't hesitate to draft him even if it's round 3.

Put it this way....if I am in a PPR league with 6 pt TD passes and I can start the draft with McCoy, Nicks and Rivers, I will be

I've done 6-point-per-passing-TD leagues exclusively, and I will tell you that there is no way Stafford will go in the 6th round of your draft. Typically in round 6 you'll have guys like Big Ben, Matt Ryan, and maybe Joe Flacco (maybe). Stafford isn't off the board until the 8-9-10 area.

Wrong. Stafford will likely go in the 6th, possibly even in the 5th, in 6 pt TD leagues of 12 teams or more. Ryan and Schaub will be gone by round 3-4. Heck, Romo won't even make it to the end of the 2nd round in many of these drafts.

 

[Frank Black]

ALL quarterbacks get two more points per touchdown pass

So yes you can use the principles and it is STILL right to wait on drafting your QB (although depending on league size you may then want to double up on them)

Yes but not all QBs throw the same amount of TDs. The extra two points per TD significantly increase the value of Brady, Rodgers and Brees IMO compared to the QBBC guys you will be targeting in rds 7-10. Throw in the consistency provided by the big dog QBs and I think there is a legitimate argument against passing on the elite QBs in six point TD leagues for anyone other than the most elite RBs and WRs. One problem with VBD taken alone is that it ignores performance constancy.

This. You can't ignore the fact that a guy who is a good NFL QB who throws 25 TDs in a season is that much farther behind an elite guy who throws 34 during the year when comparing 4 vs 6 pts. In 4 point leagues that's just 36 points - 6 point leagues widens that gap to 54 and that's just TD points without the yardage. The more points a passing TD is worth the wider the gap becomes between the top 7ish QBs and the rest. The rich become richer.You can still certainly use the principals of waiting on your QB, but you can't miss on your top RBs and WRs because they have to now compensate for the lack of scoring you will get when competing against a Brady or Rodgers throwing 2-3 TDs a game compared to your QBBC throwing 1-2.

We all know it's relative, the top QB's get 2 extra pts and the 12th best QB gets 2 more pts. In the example above between 34 and 25 TD's, the actual ppg difference between QB's for 4pt per TD and 6pt per TD is an extra 1.125 ppg over the season. I'm not quite sure 1 extra point is enough to warrant extra consideration for taking a QB early if you typically wait on a QB until after round 7 or later. The arguement of having to hit on all early picks is no good imo. It's actually the reverse when taking a QB late, it means you have an extra RB or WR where you didn't take that QB early. This should mean your Flex is significantly stronger than your oponent which may be as great or greater than the difference in the QB gap. You also have extra depth in case one of your RB/WR/TE selections bust like you point out, also helps for injuries and bye weeks which send owners scrambling to find vialble options while you have plenty of options for all scenarios. How often do you hit on all of your early options!?!

Just one example comparison out of many you could analyze, and I tried to use same players in similar rounds for a better and easier comparison.

QB Early:

Lets say you go RB/WR/QB/RB/WR/RB/TE

Your team could be something like this - McCoy, Nicks, Rivers, Best, Percy, Stevie J, Daniels

Starting lineup assuming flex - River, McCoy, Best, Nicks, Percy, Flex Stevie J, Daniels

This option gives less room for error and a weaker option with whatever player you can find in round 6 for your flex. If you miss on Best or Stevie J who do you turn to?!? Maybe you hit on a few mid to late round flyers, but if not than you could be in a world of hurt at RB2 or your flex spot.

QB Late:

Lets say you go RB/WR/RB/WR/RB/WR/QB/TE/QB

your team could be something like this - McCoy, Nicks, Hillis, Welker, Felix, Stevie J, Stafford, Daniels/Olson type guy, Bradford

Starting lineup assuming flex - Stafford, McCoy, Hillis, Nicks, Welker, Flex Felix or Stevie J, Daniels

This option gives you more room for error if you miss on a player in the early rounds. You have 3 solid RB's and 3 solid WR's for injuries, bye weeks and flex. You have two breakout potential QB's that could enter the top 10 this year while only losing you a few ppg in 4pt per passing TD and an extra 1ppg on top of that in 6ppg passing TD league.

QB Advantage Rivers (QB early)

RB Advantage McCoy/Hillis over McCoy/Best (QB late)

WR Advantage Nicks/Welker over Nicks/Percy (QB late)

TE Advantage None

Flex Advantage Stevie J/Felix over just Stevie J (QB late greater due to the fact you can go either or instead of only having Stevie J in QB early option)

So, imo you have advantages across the board at all positions with the exception of QB/TE. So, my question would be.....are you sure taking a QB early is enough of a ppg difference to support downgrading at RB/WR/Flex????

Long-winded, hope that makes sense.

Good post.My comment is that in a 6 pt per TD pass, I doubt that you will get Stafford in Round 7. I would guess Round 6. QBs generally go 1-2 rounds earlier in a 6 pt per TD pass league.

Not only the top QBs toss more TD passes, they also pass for more yardage as well. In one league of mine, I have Rivers (#4QB on my board) scoring 65 pts more than Stafford (#12QB on my board). You can probably get Rivers in round 3 and Stafford in Round 6. So the question is....can you field a RB2 and a WR2 and a RB3 each one round later and lose less than the 65 pts between Rivers and Stafford.....that's the question. Depends on your tiering, and how your leaguemates draft.

Personally, I add in the top 5 QBs to my top 50 list and draft BPA for the first 4-5 rounds. If my BPA at the time is a top QB and I don't have one, I don't hesitate to draft him even if it's round 3.

Put it this way....if I am in a PPR league with 6 pt TD passes and I can start the draft with McCoy, Nicks and Rivers, I will be

I've done 6-point-per-passing-TD leagues exclusively, and I will tell you that there is no way Stafford will go in the 6th round of your draft. Typically in round 6 you'll have guys like Big Ben, Matt Ryan, and maybe Joe Flacco (maybe). Stafford isn't off the board until the 8-9-10 area.

Wrong. Stafford will likely go in the 6th, possibly even in the 5th, in 6 pt TD leagues of 12 teams or more. Ryan and Schaub will be gone by round 3-4. Heck, Romo won't even make it to the end of the 2nd round in many of these drafts.

I think you're right about that and most ADP information doesn't account for the difference between 4 pt and 6 pt leagues.An earlier poster hit on something else that I wonder about. The elite QBs are often more consistent than the 2nd and 3rd tier QBs. I realize that the PPG numbers may not be a huge difference, but is that because the 2nd and 3rd tier QBs blow up for a handful of games, which makes their PPG numbers deceptively similar to the elite QBs? Given the additional 2pts per TD, does this favor sacrificing RB or QB depth in favor of having a more consistent high scorer at the highest scoring position?

 

[LawFitz]

An earlier poster hit on something else that I wonder about. The elite QBs are often more consistent than the 2nd and 3rd tier QBs. I realize that the PPG numbers may not be a huge difference, but is that because the 2nd and 3rd tier QBs blow up for a handful of games, which makes their PPG numbers deceptively similar to the elite QBs? Given the additional 2pts per TD, does this favor sacrificing RB or QB depth in favor of having a more consistent high scorer at the highest scoring position?

Bingo.Everyone makes it sound like it's so easy to predict which of the QBBC bums will be the better scorer each week when in reality, that exercise can be extremely frustrating. Having a rock solid stud that you can depend on at QB is vastly underrated on these boards and in FF in general.

 

[Jaysports]

It obviously depends on the league you play in, but my 6pt per passing TD and 1pt per 25 yards passing will not have Stafford going before the 7th round.

There are 13 viable starting QB's this year imo. I'm going to assume that Freeman is taken before Stafford leaving him at QB12, but it's debatable. If Stafford goes first I'd still be happy with Freeman as QB12 in round 7 or later. If you are in a competitive league where everyone knows there stuff, I highly doubt anyone takes a 2nd QB before round 7. If they do, shame on them for the value they are passing on. Anyways, my point is this, once the first 11 QB's go off the board, it's safe to say you can buy yourself a round or two before jumping on QB12 or QB13 which would be Stafford or Eli below. So, unless you're saying Stafford is going to go in front of a bunch of the guys in front him on that list than I really don't see how he could go that early. If he is going that early, I would say that some owners aren't playing the situation correctly and just following the herd.

Rodgers, Vick, Brady, Rivers, Brees, Manning, Romo, Schaub, Roethe, Ryan, Freeman, Stafford, Eli

Then you have Flacco and Bradford as decent QBBC guys.

 

[footballnerd]

I've been using the later QB tactic of the Perfect Draft in a 6pt passing league and am usually one of the highest scoring teams. If you are in a 12 team league most people won't be looking for a 2nd QB until very late in the draft if any, leaving the later of the the top 10 QBs (Stafford, Ryan, Schaub, Ben) available mid to 8th round.

 

[Rick James]

ALL quarterbacks get two more points per touchdown pass

So yes you can use the principles and it is STILL right to wait on drafting your QB (although depending on league size you may then want to double up on them)

Yes but not all QBs throw the same amount of TDs. The extra two points per TD significantly increase the value of Brady, Rodgers and Brees IMO compared to the QBBC guys you will be targeting in rds 7-10. Throw in the consistency provided by the big dog QBs and I think there is a legitimate argument against passing on the elite QBs in six point TD leagues for anyone other than the most elite RBs and WRs. One problem with VBD taken alone is that it ignores performance constancy.

This. You can't ignore the fact that a guy who is a good NFL QB who throws 25 TDs in a season is that much farther behind an elite guy who throws 34 during the year when comparing 4 vs 6 pts. In 4 point leagues that's just 36 points - 6 point leagues widens that gap to 54 and that's just TD points without the yardage. The more points a passing TD is worth the wider the gap becomes between the top 7ish QBs and the rest. The rich become richer.You can still certainly use the principals of waiting on your QB, but you can't miss on your top RBs and WRs because they have to now compensate for the lack of scoring you will get when competing against a Brady or Rodgers throwing 2-3 TDs a game compared to your QBBC throwing 1-2.

We all know it's relative, the top QB's get 2 extra pts and the 12th best QB gets 2 more pts. In the example above between 34 and 25 TD's, the actual ppg difference between QB's for 4pt per TD and 6pt per TD is an extra 1.125 ppg over the season. I'm not quite sure 1 extra point is enough to warrant extra consideration for taking a QB early if you typically wait on a QB until after round 7 or later. The arguement of having to hit on all early picks is no good imo. It's actually the reverse when taking a QB late, it means you have an extra RB or WR where you didn't take that QB early. This should mean your Flex is significantly stronger than your oponent which may be as great or greater than the difference in the QB gap. You also have extra depth in case one of your RB/WR/TE selections bust like you point out, also helps for injuries and bye weeks which send owners scrambling to find vialble options while you have plenty of options for all scenarios. How often do you hit on all of your early options!?!

Just one example comparison out of many you could analyze, and I tried to use same players in similar rounds for a better and easier comparison.

QB Early:

Lets say you go RB/WR/QB/RB/WR/RB/TE

Your team could be something like this - McCoy, Nicks, Rivers, Best, Percy, Stevie J, Daniels

Starting lineup assuming flex - River, McCoy, Best, Nicks, Percy, Flex Stevie J, Daniels

This option gives less room for error and a weaker option with whatever player you can find in round 6 for your flex. If you miss on Best or Stevie J who do you turn to?!? Maybe you hit on a few mid to late round flyers, but if not than you could be in a world of hurt at RB2 or your flex spot.

QB Late:

Lets say you go RB/WR/RB/WR/RB/WR/QB/TE/QB

your team could be something like this - McCoy, Nicks, Hillis, Welker, Felix, Stevie J, Stafford, Daniels/Olson type guy, Bradford

Starting lineup assuming flex - Stafford, McCoy, Hillis, Nicks, Welker, Flex Felix or Stevie J, Daniels

This option gives you more room for error if you miss on a player in the early rounds. You have 3 solid RB's and 3 solid WR's for injuries, bye weeks and flex. You have two breakout potential QB's that could enter the top 10 this year while only losing you a few ppg in 4pt per passing TD and an extra 1ppg on top of that in 6ppg passing TD league.

QB Advantage Rivers (QB early)

RB Advantage McCoy/Hillis over McCoy/Best (QB late)

WR Advantage Nicks/Welker over Nicks/Percy (QB late)

TE Advantage None

Flex Advantage Stevie J/Felix over just Stevie J (QB late greater due to the fact you can go either or instead of only having Stevie J in QB early option)

So, imo you have advantages across the board at all positions with the exception of QB/TE. So, my question would be.....are you sure taking a QB early is enough of a ppg difference to support downgrading at RB/WR/Flex????

Long-winded, hope that makes sense.

Good post.My comment is that in a 6 pt per TD pass, I doubt that you will get Stafford in Round 7. I would guess Round 6. QBs generally go 1-2 rounds earlier in a 6 pt per TD pass league.

Not only the top QBs toss more TD passes, they also pass for more yardage as well. In one league of mine, I have Rivers (#4QB on my board) scoring 65 pts more than Stafford (#12QB on my board). You can probably get Rivers in round 3 and Stafford in Round 6. So the question is....can you field a RB2 and a WR2 and a RB3 each one round later and lose less than the 65 pts between Rivers and Stafford.....that's the question. Depends on your tiering, and how your leaguemates draft.

Personally, I add in the top 5 QBs to my top 50 list and draft BPA for the first 4-5 rounds. If my BPA at the time is a top QB and I don't have one, I don't hesitate to draft him even if it's round 3.

Put it this way....if I am in a PPR league with 6 pt TD passes and I can start the draft with McCoy, Nicks and Rivers, I will be

I've done 6-point-per-passing-TD leagues exclusively, and I will tell you that there is no way Stafford will go in the 6th round of your draft. Typically in round 6 you'll have guys like Big Ben, Matt Ryan, and maybe Joe Flacco (maybe). Stafford isn't off the board until the 8-9-10 area.

Wrong. Stafford will likely go in the 6th, possibly even in the 5th, in 6 pt TD leagues of 12 teams or more. Ryan and Schaub will be gone by round 3-4. Heck, Romo won't even make it to the end of the 2nd round in many of these drafts.

In a 12-team, 6-per-TD, league....Stafford will not be taken before the 8th round. Romo goes in the 4-5 range. Ryan, Schaub in the 5-6 range. I don't know what to say other than you're mistaken.

 

[fightingillini]

An earlier poster hit on something else that I wonder about. The elite QBs are often more consistent than the 2nd and 3rd tier QBs. I realize that the PPG numbers may not be a huge difference, but is that because the 2nd and 3rd tier QBs blow up for a handful of games, which makes their PPG numbers deceptively similar to the elite QBs? Given the additional 2pts per TD, does this favor sacrificing RB or QB depth in favor of having a more consistent high scorer at the highest scoring position?

Bingo.Everyone makes it sound like it's so easy to predict which of the QBBC bums will be the better scorer each week when in reality, that exercise can be extremely frustrating. Having a rock solid stud that you can depend on at QB is vastly underrated on these boards and in FF in general.

Agree that QBBC can be a massive headache.And the question is always.......is it worth the cost to roster that stud QB, which you will need to take 3-4 rounds earlier than a QB ranked in the 9-14 range.

 

[Jaysports]

Don't forget that someone ALWAYS gets lucky and lands a second stud QB as their backup w/out even planning it that way. Worst case scenario you take a QB late and wiff, you can always target a trade with the team that was lucky enough to hit on 2 QB's with the extra depth you acquired early in the draft. So, it's a win/win by waiting on QB imo.

 

[LawFitz]

Don't forget that someone ALWAYS gets lucky and lands a second stud QB as their backup w/out even planning it that way. Worst case scenario you take a QB late and wiff, you can always target a trade with the team that was lucky enough to hit on 2 QB's with the extra depth you acquired early in the draft. So, it's a win/win by waiting on QB imo.

Also don't forget that the bust rate on the tier II RB that you take instead of the stud QB is MUCH higher. And that attrition at the RB position in general is far greater, making it much more likely to find gold later in the draft or on the wire during the season.Every year like clockwork stud RBs emerge if you're willing to hawk the wire and raid your league mates' handcuffs. Ben Tate anyone? (That was just an example - I would definitely take Foster over any QB, except maybe Vick)

 

[greggorymac]

ALL quarterbacks get two more points per touchdown pass

So yes you can use the principles and it is STILL right to wait on drafting your QB (although depending on league size you may then want to double up on them)

Yes but not all QBs throw the same amount of TDs. The extra two points per TD significantly increase the value of Brady, Rodgers and Brees IMO compared to the QBBC guys you will be targeting in rds 7-10. Throw in the consistency provided by the big dog QBs and I think there is a legitimate argument against passing on the elite QBs in six point TD leagues for anyone other than the most elite RBs and WRs. One problem with VBD taken alone is that it ignores performance constancy.

This. You can't ignore the fact that a guy who is a good NFL QB who throws 25 TDs in a season is that much farther behind an elite guy who throws 34 during the year when comparing 4 vs 6 pts. In 4 point leagues that's just 36 points - 6 point leagues widens that gap to 54 and that's just TD points without the yardage. The more points a passing TD is worth the wider the gap becomes between the top 7ish QBs and the rest. The rich become richer.You can still certainly use the principals of waiting on your QB, but you can't miss on your top RBs and WRs because they have to now compensate for the lack of scoring you will get when competing against a Brady or Rodgers throwing 2-3 TDs a game compared to your QBBC throwing 1-2.

We all know it's relative, the top QB's get 2 extra pts and the 12th best QB gets 2 more pts. In the example above between 34 and 25 TD's, the actual ppg difference between QB's for 4pt per TD and 6pt per TD is an extra 1.125 ppg over the season. I'm not quite sure 1 extra point is enough to warrant extra consideration for taking a QB early if you typically wait on a QB until after round 7 or later. The arguement of having to hit on all early picks is no good imo. It's actually the reverse when taking a QB late, it means you have an extra RB or WR where you didn't take that QB early. This should mean your Flex is significantly stronger than your oponent which may be as great or greater than the difference in the QB gap. You also have extra depth in case one of your RB/WR/TE selections bust like you point out, also helps for injuries and bye weeks which send owners scrambling to find vialble options while you have plenty of options for all scenarios. How often do you hit on all of your early options!?!

Just one example comparison out of many you could analyze, and I tried to use same players in similar rounds for a better and easier comparison.

QB Early:

Lets say you go RB/WR/QB/RB/WR/RB/TE

Your team could be something like this - McCoy, Nicks, Rivers, Best, Percy, Stevie J, Daniels

Starting lineup assuming flex - River, McCoy, Best, Nicks, Percy, Flex Stevie J, Daniels

This option gives less room for error and a weaker option with whatever player you can find in round 6 for your flex. If you miss on Best or Stevie J who do you turn to?!? Maybe you hit on a few mid to late round flyers, but if not than you could be in a world of hurt at RB2 or your flex spot.

QB Late:

Lets say you go RB/WR/RB/WR/RB/WR/QB/TE/QB

your team could be something like this - McCoy, Nicks, Hillis, Welker, Felix, Stevie J, Stafford, Daniels/Olson type guy, Bradford

Starting lineup assuming flex - Stafford, McCoy, Hillis, Nicks, Welker, Flex Felix or Stevie J, Daniels

This option gives you more room for error if you miss on a player in the early rounds. You have 3 solid RB's and 3 solid WR's for injuries, bye weeks and flex. You have two breakout potential QB's that could enter the top 10 this year while only losing you a few ppg in 4pt per passing TD and an extra 1ppg on top of that in 6ppg passing TD league.

QB Advantage Rivers (QB early)

RB Advantage McCoy/Hillis over McCoy/Best (QB late)

WR Advantage Nicks/Welker over Nicks/Percy (QB late)

TE Advantage None

Flex Advantage Stevie J/Felix over just Stevie J (QB late greater due to the fact you can go either or instead of only having Stevie J in QB early option)

So, imo you have advantages across the board at all positions with the exception of QB/TE. So, my question would be.....are you sure taking a QB early is enough of a ppg difference to support downgrading at RB/WR/Flex????

Long-winded, hope that makes sense.

Good post.My comment is that in a 6 pt per TD pass, I doubt that you will get Stafford in Round 7. I would guess Round 6. QBs generally go 1-2 rounds earlier in a 6 pt per TD pass league.

Not only the top QBs toss more TD passes, they also pass for more yardage as well. In one league of mine, I have Rivers (#4QB on my board) scoring 65 pts more than Stafford (#12QB on my board). You can probably get Rivers in round 3 and Stafford in Round 6. So the question is....can you field a RB2 and a WR2 and a RB3 each one round later and lose less than the 65 pts between Rivers and Stafford.....that's the question. Depends on your tiering, and how your leaguemates draft.

Personally, I add in the top 5 QBs to my top 50 list and draft BPA for the first 4-5 rounds. If my BPA at the time is a top QB and I don't have one, I don't hesitate to draft him even if it's round 3.

Put it this way....if I am in a PPR league with 6 pt TD passes and I can start the draft with McCoy, Nicks and Rivers, I will be

I've done 6-point-per-passing-TD leagues exclusively, and I will tell you that there is no way Stafford will go in the 6th round of your draft. Typically in round 6 you'll have guys like Big Ben, Matt Ryan, and maybe Joe Flacco (maybe). Stafford isn't off the board until the 8-9-10 area.

Wrong. Stafford will likely go in the 6th, possibly even in the 5th, in 6 pt TD leagues of 12 teams or more. Ryan and Schaub will be gone by round 3-4. Heck, Romo won't even make it to the end of the 2nd round in many of these drafts.

This is my experience in the 6pt TD league we've been playing in for 11 years. I guess it is dependent on the tendencies of your league, but in mine they go early because there is quite the drop off after the top 4QBs are off the board.

 

[Helm]

The situation of rules is very similar to the draft I just had on Sunday. These are the rules of the league, then below that how the draft went.

Roster Positions: QB, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, W/R/T, K, DEF, IR, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN

Passing Yards 25 yards per point

Passing Touchdowns 6

Interceptions -2

Rushing Yards 10 yards per point

Rushing Touchdowns 6

Receptions 1

Reception Yards 20 yards per point

Reception Touchdowns 6

Pick,Pos,Player,Team,Selected By,Status

="01.01",RB1,Arian Foster,Hou/11,I Win,

="01.02",RB5,Jamaal Charles,KC/6,Esse Loco,

="01.03",RB3,Adrian Peterson,Min/9,DeathStar,

="01.04",RB2,Ray Rice,Bal/5,Royal Bengals,

="01.05",QB2,Michael Vick,Phi/7,cowboykilla,

="01.06",RB10,Chris Johnson,Ten/6,BrownSKINS,

="01.07",QB1,Aaron Rodgers,GB/8,B SMOKE,

="01.08",RB18,Michael Turner,Atl/8,PRIMES' ISLAND,

="01.09",RB7,Rashard Mendenhall,Pit/11,Free agents,

="01.10",RB6,Darren McFadden,Oak/8,BIG CATS,

="01.11",WR1,Andre Johnson,Hou/11,The Cheeseburglers,

="01.12",RB4,LeSean McCoy,Phi/7,WormRollers,

="02.01",RB13,Frank Gore,SF/7,WormRollers,

="02.02",WR5,Larry Fitzgerald,Ari/6,The Cheeseburglers,

="02.03",QB6,Drew Brees,NO/11,BIG CATS,

="02.04",WR3,Roddy White,Atl/8,Free agents,

="02.05",WR2,Calvin Johnson,Det/9,PRIMES' ISLAND,

="02.06",WR4,Hakeem Nicks,NYG/7,B SMOKE,

="02.07",QB3,Tom Brady,NE/7,BrownSKINS,

="02.08",RB12,Maurice Jones-Drew,Jac/9,cowboykilla,

="02.09",QB4,Philip Rivers,SD/6,Royal Bengals,

="02.10",RB24,Shonn Greene,NYJ/8,DeathStar,

="02.11",QB7,Peyton Manning,Ind/11,Esse Loco,

="02.12",RB8,Steven Jackson,StL/5,I Win,

="03.01",QB5,Tony Romo,Dal/5,I Win,

="03.02",RB11,Peyton Hillis,Cle/5,Esse Loco,

="03.03",RB9,Matt Forte,Chi/8,DeathStar,

="03.04",WR6,Vincent Jackson,SD/6,Royal Bengals,

="03.05",WR15,DeSean Jackson,Phi/7,cowboykilla,

="03.06",WR12,Reggie Wayne,Ind/11,BrownSKINS,

="03.07",WR10,Miles Austin,Dal/5,B SMOKE,

="03.08",RB14,Ahmad Bradshaw,NYG/7,PRIMES' ISLAND,

="03.09",RB19,LeGarrette Blount,TB/8,Free agents,

="03.10",WR7,Greg Jennings,GB/8,BIG CATS,

="03.11",WR8,Mike Wallace,Pit/11,The Cheeseburglers,

="03.12",TE1,Antonio Gates,SD/6,WormRollers,

="04.01",RB21,Knowshon Moreno,Den/6,WormRollers,

="04.02",RB17,DeAngelo Williams,Car/9,The Cheeseburglers,

="04.03",WR35,Jeremy Maclin,Phi/7,BIG CATS,

="04.04",WR18,Mike Williams,TB/8,Free agents,

="04.05",QB11,Matt Ryan,Atl/8,PRIMES' ISLAND,

="04.06",WR9,Dwayne Bowe,KC/6,B SMOKE,

="04.07",TE3,Dallas Clark,Ind/11,BrownSKINS,

="04.08",TE5,Vernon Davis,SF/7,cowboykilla,

="04.09",WR14,Santonio Holmes,NYJ/8,Royal Bengals,

="04.10",TE4,Jermichael Finley,GB/8,DeathStar,

="04.11",WR17,Dez Bryant,Dal/5,Esse Loco,

="04.12",RB16,Jahvid Best,Det/9,I Win,

="05.01",RB15,Felix Jones,Dal/5,I Win,

="05.02",WR33,Chad Ochocinco,NE/7,Esse Loco,

="05.03",QB8,Ben Roethlisberger,Pit/11,DeathStar,

="05.04",RB29,Ryan Grant,GB/8,Royal Bengals,

="05.05",WR13,Wes Welker,NE/7,cowboykilla,

="05.06",WR16,Brandon Lloyd,Den/6,BrownSKINS,

="05.07",TE2,Jason Witten,Dal/5,B SMOKE,

="05.08",RB23,Ryan Mathews,SD/6,PRIMES' ISLAND,

="05.09",QB10,Matt Schaub,Hou/11,Free agents,

="05.10",TE9,Tony Gonzalez,Atl/8,BIG CATS,

="05.11",RB31,Daniel Thomas,Mia/5,The Cheeseburglers,

="05.12",WR11,Brandon Marshall,Mia/5,WormRollers,

="06.01",QB14,Eli Manning,NYG/7,WormRollers,

="06.02",TE6,Owen Daniels,Hou/11,The Cheeseburglers,

="06.03",RB27,Marshawn Lynch,Sea/6,BIG CATS,

="06.04",WR27,Marques Colston,NO/11,Free agents,

="06.05",WR23,Anquan Boldin,Bal/5,PRIMES' ISLAND,

="06.06",RB34,Reggie Bush,Mia/5,B SMOKE,

="06.07",RB25,Cedric Benson,Cin/7,BrownSKINS,

="06.08",RB20,Mark Ingram,NO/11,cowboykilla,

="06.09",RB30,Chris Wells,Ari/6,Royal Bengals,

="06.10",WR20,Steve Johnson,Buf/7,DeathStar,

="06.11",RB37,BenJarvus Green-Ellis,NE/7,Esse Loco,

="06.12",WR19,Percy Harvin,Min/9,I Win,

="07.01",WR21,Austin Collie,Ind/11,I Win,

="07.02",WR31,Sidney Rice,Sea/6,Esse Loco,

="07.03",WR22,Mario Manningham,NYG/7,DeathStar,

="07.04",TE10,Kellen Winslow,TB/8,Royal Bengals,

="07.05",WR26,Kenny Britt,Ten/6,cowboykilla,

="07.06",WR24,Santana Moss,Was/5,BrownSKINS,

="07.07",RB22,Fred Jackson,Buf/7,B SMOKE,

="07.08",WR30,Pierre Garcon,Ind/11,PRIMES' ISLAND,

="07.09",TE11,Jimmy Graham,NO/11,Free agents,

="07.10",DEF2,Green Bay,GB/8,BIG CATS,

="07.11",QB9,Matthew Stafford,Det/9,The Cheeseburglers,

="07.12",WR29,A.J. Green,Cin/7,WormRollers,

="08.01",RB33,Mike Tolbert,SD/6,WormRollers,

="08.02",DEF1,Pittsburgh,Pit/11,The Cheeseburglers,

="08.03",PK3,Stephen Gostkowski,NE/7,BIG CATS,

="08.04",RB38,Jonathan Stewart,Car/9,Free agents,

="08.05",DEF3,Philadelphia,Phi/7,PRIMES' ISLAND,

="08.06",WR28,Julio Jones,Atl/8,B SMOKE,

="08.07",RB36,Rashad Jennings,Jac/9,BrownSKINS,

="08.08",DEF4,New York Jets,NYJ/8,cowboykilla,

="08.09",WR25,Mike Thomas,Jac/9,Royal Bengals,

="08.10",QB27,Kyle Orton,Den/6,DeathStar,

="08.11",DEF10,Chicago,Chi/8,Esse Loco,

="08.12",TE7,Rob Gronkowski,NE/7,I Win,

="09.01",WR32,Lance Moore,NO/11,I Win,

="09.02",RB28,Joseph Addai,Ind/11,Esse Loco,

="09.03",WR46,Braylon Edwards,SF/7,DeathStar,

="09.04",WR34,Steve Smith,Car/9,Royal Bengals,

="09.05",RB40,LaDainian Tomlinson,NYJ/8,cowboykilla,

="09.06",WR66,Jordy Nelson,GB/8,BrownSKINS,

="09.07",RB32,Brandon Jacobs,NYG/7,B SMOKE,

="09.08",RB48,Thomas Jones,KC/6,PRIMES' ISLAND,

="09.09",QB12,Josh Freeman,TB/8,Free agents,

="09.10",WR37,Jacoby Ford,Oak/8,BIG CATS,

="09.11",PK2,Mason Crosby,GB/8,The Cheeseburglers,

="09.12",RB35,C.J. Spiller,Buf/7,WormRollers,

="10.01",WR36,Roy Williams,Chi/8,WormRollers,

="10.02",RB143,Ryan Williams,Ari/6,The Cheeseburglers,

="10.03",WR49,Plaxico Burress,NYJ/8,BIG CATS,

="10.04",WR43,Mike Sims-Walker,StL/5,Free agents,

="10.05",WR45,Hines Ward,Pit/11,PRIMES' ISLAND,

="10.06",TE19,Zach Miller,Sea/6,B SMOKE,

="10.07",WR51,Johnny Knox,Chi/8,BrownSKINS,

="10.08",PK1,Nate Kaeding,SD/6,cowboykilla,

="10.09",RB44,Michael Bush,Oak/8,Royal Bengals,

="10.10",QB17,Sam Bradford,StL/5,DeathStar,

="10.11",TE8,Marcedes Lewis,Jac/9,Esse Loco,

="10.12",QB13,Joe Flacco,Bal/5,I Win,

="11.01",DEF5,New England,NE/7,I Win,

="11.02",QB15,Kevin Kolb,Ari/6,Esse Loco,

="11.03",PK10,Sebastian Janikowski,Oak/8,DeathStar,

="11.04",DEF8,New Orleans,NO/11,Royal Bengals,

="11.05",WR61,Michael Crabtree,SF/7,cowboykilla,

="11.06",QB23,Donovan McNabb,Min/9,BrownSKINS,

="11.07",RB56,Marion Barber,Chi/8,B SMOKE,

="11.08",TE13,Dustin Keller,NYJ/8,PRIMES' ISLAND,

="11.09",RB62,Montario Hardesty,Cle/5,Free agents,

="11.10",RB80,Ryan Torain,Was/5,BIG CATS,

="11.11",QB18,Jay Cutler,Chi/8,The Cheeseburglers,

="11.12",WR52,James Jones,GB/8,WormRollers,

="12.01",TE14,Jared Cook,Ten/6,WormRollers,

="12.02",WR48,Malcom Floyd,SD/6,The Cheeseburglers,

="12.03",QB16,Mark Sanchez,NYJ/8,BIG CATS,

="12.04",DEF13,San Diego,SD/6,Free agents,

="12.05",RB99,Tashard Choice,Dal/5,PRIMES' ISLAND,

="12.06",RB49,Roy Helu,Was/5,B SMOKE,

="12.07",RB41,Danny Woodhead,NE/7,BrownSKINS,

="12.08",TE12,Brandon Pettigrew,Det/9,cowboykilla,

="12.09",RB26,Tim Hightower,Was/5,Royal Bengals,

="12.10",DEF9,Baltimore,Bal/5,DeathStar,

="12.11",WR62,Danny Amendola,StL/5,Esse Loco,

="12.12",WR38,Lee Evans,Bal/5,I Win,

="13.01",WR39,Davone Bess,Mia/5,I Win,

="13.02",RB42,Willis McGahee,Den/6,Esse Loco,

="13.03",DEF15,Dallas,Dal/5,DeathStar,

="13.04",PK8,Garrett Hartley,NO/11,Royal Bengals,

="13.05",RB58,Ronnie Brown,Phi/7,cowboykilla,

="13.06",PK6,Alex Henery,Phi/7,BrownSKINS,

="13.07",PK19,Dan Carpenter,Mia/5,B SMOKE,

="13.08",WR53,Deion Branch,NE/7,PRIMES' ISLAND,

="13.09",TE15,Greg Olsen,Car/9,Free agents,

="13.10",WR47,Robert Meachem,NO/11,BIG CATS,

="13.11",RB47,James Starks,GB/8,The Cheeseburglers,

="13.12",DEF11,Atlanta,Atl/8,WormRollers,

="14.01",PK38,David Buehler,Dal/5,WormRollers,

="14.02",TE29,Chris Cooley,Was/5,The Cheeseburglers,

="14.03",TE24,Aaron Hernandez,NE/7,BIG CATS,

="14.04",PK9,Neil Rackers,Hou/11,Free agents,

="14.05",PK13,Matt Bryant,Atl/8,PRIMES' ISLAND,

="14.06",DEF6,New York Giants,NYG/7,B SMOKE,

="14.07",DEF30,Houston,Hou/11,BrownSKINS,

="14.08",WR65,Devin Hester,Chi/8,cowboykilla,

="14.09",QB26,Ryan Fitzpatrick,Buf/7,Royal Bengals,

="14.10",PK29,David Akers,SF/7,DeathStar,

="14.11",PK33,Nick Folk,NYJ/8,Esse Loco,

="14.12",PK4,Shaun Suisham,Pit/11,I Win,

 

[Short Corner]

ALL quarterbacks get two more points per touchdown passSo yes you can use the principles and it is STILL right to wait on drafting your QB (although depending on league size you may then want to double up on them)

Yes but not all QBs throw the same amount of TDs. The extra two points per TD significantly increase the value of Brady, Rodgers and Brees IMO compared to the QBBC guys you will be targeting in rds 7-10. Throw in the consistency provided by the big dog QBs and I think there is a legitimate argument against passing on the elite QBs in six point TD leagues for anyone other than the most elite RBs and WRs. One problem with VBD taken alone is that it ignores performance constancy.

This. You can't ignore the fact that a guy who is a good NFL QB who throws 25 TDs in a season is that much farther behind an elite guy who throws 34 during the year when comparing 4 vs 6 pts. In 4 point leagues that's just 36 points - 6 point leagues widens that gap to 54 and that's just TD points without the yardage. The more points a passing TD is worth the wider the gap becomes between the top 7ish QBs and the rest. The rich become richer.You can still certainly use the principals of waiting on your QB, but you can't miss on your top RBs and WRs because they have to now compensate for the lack of scoring you will get when competing against a Brady or Rodgers throwing 2-3 TDs a game compared to your QBBC throwing 1-2.

We all know it's relative, the top QB's get 2 extra pts and the 12th best QB gets 2 more pts. In the example above between 34 and 25 TD's, the actual ppg difference between QB's for 4pt per TD and 6pt per TD is an extra 1.125 ppg over the season. I'm not quite sure 1 extra point is enough to warrant extra consideration for taking a QB early if you typically wait on a QB until after round 7 or later. The arguement of having to hit on all early picks is no good imo. It's actually the reverse when taking a QB late, it means you have an extra RB or WR where you didn't take that QB early. This should mean your Flex is significantly stronger than your oponent which may be as great or greater than the difference in the QB gap. You also have extra depth in case one of your RB/WR/TE selections bust like you point out, also helps for injuries and bye weeks which send owners scrambling to find vialble options while you have plenty of options for all scenarios. How often do you hit on all of your early options!?! Just one example comparison out of many you could analyze, and I tried to use same players in similar rounds for a better and easier comparison.QB Early:Lets say you go RB/WR/QB/RB/WR/RB/TEYour team could be something like this - McCoy, Nicks, Rivers, Best, Percy, Stevie J, DanielsStarting lineup assuming flex - River, McCoy, Best, Nicks, Percy, Flex Stevie J, DanielsThis option gives less room for error and a weaker option with whatever player you can find in round 6 for your flex. If you miss on Best or Stevie J who do you turn to?!? Maybe you hit on a few mid to late round flyers, but if not than you could be in a world of hurt at RB2 or your flex spot.QB Late:Lets say you go RB/WR/RB/WR/RB/WR/QB/TE/QByour team could be something like this - McCoy, Nicks, Hillis, Welker, Felix, Stevie J, Stafford, Daniels/Olson type guy, BradfordStarting lineup assuming flex - Stafford, McCoy, Hillis, Nicks, Welker, Flex Felix or Stevie J, Daniels This option gives you more room for error if you miss on a player in the early rounds. You have 3 solid RB's and 3 solid WR's for injuries, bye weeks and flex. You have two breakout potential QB's that could enter the top 10 this year while only losing you a few ppg in 4pt per passing TD and an extra 1ppg on top of that in 6ppg passing TD league.QB Advantage Rivers (QB early)RB Advantage McCoy/Hillis over McCoy/Best (QB late)WR Advantage Nicks/Welker over Nicks/Percy (QB late)TE Advantage None Flex Advantage Stevie J/Felix over just Stevie J (QB late greater due to the fact you can go either or instead of only having Stevie J in QB early option)So, imo you have advantages across the board at all positions with the exception of QB/TE. So, my question would be.....are you sure taking a QB early is enough of a ppg difference to support downgrading at RB/WR/Flex????Long-winded, hope that makes sense.

Good post.My comment is that in a 6 pt per TD pass, I doubt that you will get Stafford in Round 7. I would guess Round 6. QBs generally go 1-2 rounds earlier in a 6 pt per TD pass league.

True for the top tier guys, for QB9-QB14 not so much.

 

[Short Corner]

ALL quarterbacks get two more points per touchdown pass

So yes you can use the principles and it is STILL right to wait on drafting your QB (although depending on league size you may then want to double up on them)

Yes but not all QBs throw the same amount of TDs. The extra two points per TD significantly increase the value of Brady, Rodgers and Brees IMO compared to the QBBC guys you will be targeting in rds 7-10. Throw in the consistency provided by the big dog QBs and I think there is a legitimate argument against passing on the elite QBs in six point TD leagues for anyone other than the most elite RBs and WRs. One problem with VBD taken alone is that it ignores performance constancy.

This. You can't ignore the fact that a guy who is a good NFL QB who throws 25 TDs in a season is that much farther behind an elite guy who throws 34 during the year when comparing 4 vs 6 pts. In 4 point leagues that's just 36 points - 6 point leagues widens that gap to 54 and that's just TD points without the yardage. The more points a passing TD is worth the wider the gap becomes between the top 7ish QBs and the rest. The rich become richer.You can still certainly use the principals of waiting on your QB, but you can't miss on your top RBs and WRs because they have to now compensate for the lack of scoring you will get when competing against a Brady or Rodgers throwing 2-3 TDs a game compared to your QBBC throwing 1-2.

We all know it's relative, the top QB's get 2 extra pts and the 12th best QB gets 2 more pts. In the example above between 34 and 25 TD's, the actual ppg difference between QB's for 4pt per TD and 6pt per TD is an extra 1.125 ppg over the season. I'm not quite sure 1 extra point is enough to warrant extra consideration for taking a QB early if you typically wait on a QB until after round 7 or later. The arguement of having to hit on all early picks is no good imo. It's actually the reverse when taking a QB late, it means you have an extra RB or WR where you didn't take that QB early. This should mean your Flex is significantly stronger than your oponent which may be as great or greater than the difference in the QB gap. You also have extra depth in case one of your RB/WR/TE selections bust like you point out, also helps for injuries and bye weeks which send owners scrambling to find vialble options while you have plenty of options for all scenarios. How often do you hit on all of your early options!?!

Just one example comparison out of many you could analyze, and I tried to use same players in similar rounds for a better and easier comparison.

QB Early:

Lets say you go RB/WR/QB/RB/WR/RB/TE

Your team could be something like this - McCoy, Nicks, Rivers, Best, Percy, Stevie J, Daniels

Starting lineup assuming flex - River, McCoy, Best, Nicks, Percy, Flex Stevie J, Daniels

This option gives less room for error and a weaker option with whatever player you can find in round 6 for your flex. If you miss on Best or Stevie J who do you turn to?!? Maybe you hit on a few mid to late round flyers, but if not than you could be in a world of hurt at RB2 or your flex spot.

QB Late:

Lets say you go RB/WR/RB/WR/RB/WR/QB/TE/QB

your team could be something like this - McCoy, Nicks, Hillis, Welker, Felix, Stevie J, Stafford, Daniels/Olson type guy, Bradford

Starting lineup assuming flex - Stafford, McCoy, Hillis, Nicks, Welker, Flex Felix or Stevie J, Daniels

This option gives you more room for error if you miss on a player in the early rounds. You have 3 solid RB's and 3 solid WR's for injuries, bye weeks and flex. You have two breakout potential QB's that could enter the top 10 this year while only losing you a few ppg in 4pt per passing TD and an extra 1ppg on top of that in 6ppg passing TD league.

QB Advantage Rivers (QB early)

RB Advantage McCoy/Hillis over McCoy/Best (QB late)

WR Advantage Nicks/Welker over Nicks/Percy (QB late)

TE Advantage None

Flex Advantage Stevie J/Felix over just Stevie J (QB late greater due to the fact you can go either or instead of only having Stevie J in QB early option)

So, imo you have advantages across the board at all positions with the exception of QB/TE. So, my question would be.....are you sure taking a QB early is enough of a ppg difference to support downgrading at RB/WR/Flex????

Long-winded, hope that makes sense.

Good post.My comment is that in a 6 pt per TD pass, I doubt that you will get Stafford in Round 7. I would guess Round 6. QBs generally go 1-2 rounds earlier in a 6 pt per TD pass league.

Not only the top QBs toss more TD passes, they also pass for more yardage as well. In one league of mine, I have Rivers (#4QB on my board) scoring 65 pts more than Stafford (#12QB on my board). You can probably get Rivers in round 3 and Stafford in Round 6. So the question is....can you field a RB2 and a WR2 and a RB3 each one round later and lose less than the 65 pts between Rivers and Stafford.....that's the question. Depends on your tiering, and how your leaguemates draft.

Personally, I add in the top 5 QBs to my top 50 list and draft BPA for the first 4-5 rounds. If my BPA at the time is a top QB and I don't have one, I don't hesitate to draft him even if it's round 3.

Put it this way....if I am in a PPR league with 6 pt TD passes and I can start the draft with McCoy, Nicks and Rivers, I will be

I've done 6-point-per-passing-TD leagues exclusively, and I will tell you that there is no way Stafford will go in the 6th round of your draft. Typically in round 6 you'll have guys like Big Ben, Matt Ryan, and maybe Joe Flacco (maybe). Stafford isn't off the board until the 8-9-10 area.

Wrong. Stafford will likely go in the 6th, possibly even in the 5th, in 6 pt TD leagues of 12 teams or more. Ryan and Schaub will be gone by round 3-4. Heck, Romo won't even make it to the end of the 2nd round in many of these drafts.

This is my experience in the 6pt TD league we've been playing in for 11 years. I guess it is dependent on the tendencies of your league, but in mine they go early because there is quite the drop off after the top 4QBs are off the board.

If there is quite a drop off after QB4, there would be less demand for QB5+. There is just to much value in QB9-QB17 IMO to justify picking a 'stud' at or even slightly below his ADP. Especially if you can get multiple lower tier guys and play match ups.

 

[Helm]

This doesn't have anything to do with the subject, Short Corner your "signature" statement or whatever it's called reminded me of an article I read awhile ago on ppr strategy. Mainly just because if your team roster is up to date you have Jacoby Ford on it. Anyways, figured I'd share it.

PPR Strategy Article

Well it might be on the same subject line as this topic, but it doesn't really contribute to answering the QB points scenario.

 

[coachingkanyewest]

alright so bottom line, does the article have value if qb's get 6 pts for a passing td?

 

[Short Corner]

This doesn't have anything to do with the subject, Short Corner your "signature" statement or whatever it's called reminded me of an article I read awhile ago on ppr strategy. Mainly just because if your team roster is up to date you have Jacoby Ford on it. Anyways, figured I'd share it.

PPR Strategy Article

Well it might be on the same subject line as this topic, but it doesn't really contribute to answering the QB points scenario.

That team is a keep 14/draft 6 and I have had the QBs on that list for 4+ years so I am not sure how it relates. Either way, I am happy with the QBBC I have and may add Gabbert if he is still around on my next pick.Also, I listen to the ESPN podcast for tidbits of information but the guys are pretty much idiots when it comes to VBD, so take whatever advice they give with a grain of salt.

 

[LawFitz]

Bottom line of that article is that PPR adds relative value to all WRs (vs other positions), but more so to possession guys vs. others.

This relates to the 6 pt/ 4 pt debate in that 6 pt pass TDs add relative value to all QBs (vs other positions), but more so to the elite than the QBBC guys.

 

[Short Corner]

Bottom line of that article is that PPR adds relative value to all WRs (vs other positions), but more so to possession guys vs. others.

This relates to the 6 pt/ 4 pt debate in that 6 pt pass TDs add relative value to all QBs (vs other positions), but more so to the elite than the QBBC guys.

Individually, of course, but not necessarily to the committee as a whole.

 

[LawFitz]

Bottom line of that article is that PPR adds relative value to all WRs (vs other positions), but more so to possession guys vs. others.

This relates to the 6 pt/ 4 pt debate in that 6 pt pass TDs add relative value to all QBs (vs other positions), but more so to the elite than the QBBC guys.

Individually, of course, but not necessarily to the committee as a whole.

Or alternatively, much more so than the committee as a whole for some owners who can never seem to pick the "right" guy each week.

 

[Short Corner]

Bottom line of that article is that PPR adds relative value to all WRs (vs other positions), but more so to possession guys vs. others.

This relates to the 6 pt/ 4 pt debate in that 6 pt pass TDs add relative value to all QBs (vs other positions), but more so to the elite than the QBBC guys.

Individually, of course, but not necessarily to the committee as a whole.

Or alternatively, much more so than the committee as a whole for some owners who can never seem to pick the "right" guy each week.

And sometimes the QBBC outperforms the stud for the season. What's your point?

 

[LawFitz]

Bottom line of that article is that PPR adds relative value to all WRs (vs other positions), but more so to possession guys vs. others.

This relates to the 6 pt/ 4 pt debate in that 6 pt pass TDs add relative value to all QBs (vs other positions), but more so to the elite than the QBBC guys.

Individually, of course, but not necessarily to the committee as a whole.

Or alternatively, much more so than the committee as a whole for some owners who can never seem to pick the "right" guy each week.

And sometimes the QBBC outperforms the stud for the season. What's your point?

My point is that the QBBC crowd likes to assume that it's easy to pick which part of the QBBC will be better by making matchup calls each week. In my experience that's easier said than done and often presents a significant risk of not even getting the average of the QBBC scoring over the course of the season.

 

[Short Corner]

Bottom line of that article is that PPR adds relative value to all WRs (vs other positions), but more so to possession guys vs. others.

This relates to the 6 pt/ 4 pt debate in that 6 pt pass TDs add relative value to all QBs (vs other positions), but more so to the elite than the QBBC guys.

Individually, of course, but not necessarily to the committee as a whole.

Or alternatively, much more so than the committee as a whole for some owners who can never seem to pick the "right" guy each week.

And sometimes the QBBC outperforms the stud for the season. What's your point?

My point is that the QBBC crowd likes to assume that it's easy to pick which part of the QBBC will be better by making matchup calls each week. In my experience that's easier said than done and often presents a significant risk of not even getting the average of the QBBC scoring over the course of the season.

There are some close calls but if you do your homework, you will get pretty much no brainers more often than not. Sure you kick yourself every once in a while, but I don't think anyone ends up with a complete line up where they aren't playing match ups at one position or another and QB (along with RB) are easier to predict than the other positions.

 

[LawFitz]

Bottom line of that article is that PPR adds relative value to all WRs (vs other positions), but more so to possession guys vs. others.

This relates to the 6 pt/ 4 pt debate in that 6 pt pass TDs add relative value to all QBs (vs other positions), but more so to the elite than the QBBC guys.

Individually, of course, but not necessarily to the committee as a whole.

Or alternatively, much more so than the committee as a whole for some owners who can never seem to pick the "right" guy each week.

And sometimes the QBBC outperforms the stud for the season. What's your point?

My point is that the QBBC crowd likes to assume that it's easy to pick which part of the QBBC will be better by making matchup calls each week. In my experience that's easier said than done and often presents a significant risk of not even getting the average of the QBBC scoring over the course of the season.

There are some close calls but if you do your homework, you will get pretty much no brainers more often than not. Sure you kick yourself every once in a while, but I don't think anyone ends up with a complete line up where they aren't playing match ups at one position or another and QB (along with RB) are easier to predict than the other positions.

This is probably where the rubber meets the road for this argument. If one prefers to play the committee game with QB, then passing early is probably right.I however prefer to play that game with RB2. I perceive this to be b/c of the greater attrition at that position. Even when I pass on a stud QB1, I'm immediately on the hunt for big upside QBs and end up reaching later for guys like Romo and the likes of Ryan/Stafford/Freeman/Bradford, which tends to weaken my team in other ways because I miss on the upside RBs/WRs in middle to later rounds.

 

[Helm]

This doesn't have anything to do with the subject, Short Corner your "signature" statement or whatever it's called reminded me of an article I read awhile ago on ppr strategy. Mainly just because if your team roster is up to date you have Jacoby Ford on it. Anyways, figured I'd share it.

PPR Strategy Article

Well it might be on the same subject line as this topic, but it doesn't really contribute to answering the QB points scenario.

That team is a keep 14/draft 6 and I have had the QBs on that list for 4+ years so I am not sure how it relates. Either way, I am happy with the QBBC I have and may add Gabbert if he is still around on my next pick.Also, I listen to the ESPN podcast for tidbits of information but the guys are pretty much idiots when it comes to VBD, so take whatever advice they give with a grain of salt.

Has nothing to do with your qbbc, I referenced Jacoby Ford. He'd be under the WR position in the article spud.

 

[Short Corner]

This doesn't have anything to do with the subject, Short Corner your "signature" statement or whatever it's called reminded me of an article I read awhile ago on ppr strategy. Mainly just because if your team roster is up to date you have Jacoby Ford on it. Anyways, figured I'd share it.

PPR Strategy Article

Well it might be on the same subject line as this topic, but it doesn't really contribute to answering the QB points scenario.

That team is a keep 14/draft 6 and I have had the QBs on that list for 4+ years so I am not sure how it relates. Either way, I am happy with the QBBC I have and may add Gabbert if he is still around on my next pick.Also, I listen to the ESPN podcast for tidbits of information but the guys are pretty much idiots when it comes to VBD, so take whatever advice they give with a grain of salt.

Has nothing to do with your qbbc, I referenced Jacoby Ford. He'd be under the WR position in the article spud.

Meh. I don't really put a lot of trust in strategy articles or projections from the ESPN guys (they have Carolina with 2700+ rushing yards this year). That being said I agree with their premise that PPR helps possession receivers more than stretch the field guys. I think the article would be better if they gave the ranking drop just within the WR position. It doesn't really matter as much if a RB passes him in fantasy points due to PPR.

 

[Helm]

This doesn't have anything to do with the subject, Short Corner your "signature" statement or whatever it's called reminded me of an article I read awhile ago on ppr strategy. Mainly just because if your team roster is up to date you have Jacoby Ford on it. Anyways, figured I'd share it.

PPR Strategy Article

Well it might be on the same subject line as this topic, but it doesn't really contribute to answering the QB points scenario.

That team is a keep 14/draft 6 and I have had the QBs on that list for 4+ years so I am not sure how it relates. Either way, I am happy with the QBBC I have and may add Gabbert if he is still around on my next pick.Also, I listen to the ESPN podcast for tidbits of information but the guys are pretty much idiots when it comes to VBD, so take whatever advice they give with a grain of salt.

Has nothing to do with your qbbc, I referenced Jacoby Ford. He'd be under the WR position in the article spud.

Meh. I don't really put a lot of trust in strategy articles or projections from the ESPN guys (they have Carolina with 2700+ rushing yards this year). That being said I agree with their premise that PPR helps possession receivers more than stretch the field guys. I think the article would be better if they gave the ranking drop just within the WR position. It doesn't really matter as much if a RB passes him in fantasy points due to PPR.

Agreed.

 

[Steel Dillo]

Anarchy 5 just started it's draft & the QB run was instantaneous. 5 QBs in the first 7 picks.

Don't think the perfect draft strategy would work now with the start we've had. Especially with the leagues set up.

16 teams

Team QBs

Must draft/start 2QB/4WR/5WR/2TE/@K/2D/1Flex(RB,WR,TE).

 

[Helm]

Anarchy 5 just started it's draft & the QB run was instantaneous. 5 QBs in the first 7 picks.

Don't think the perfect draft strategy would work now with the start we've had. Especially with the leagues set up.

16 teams

Team QBs

Must draft/start 2QB/4WR/5WR/2TE/@K/2D/1Flex(RB,WR,TE).

You're starting two qb's(not sure I read it correctly)? If so, you should have known qb's would go fast.

 

[Jaysports]

Anarchy 5 just started it's draft & the QB run was instantaneous. 5 QBs in the first 7 picks.

Don't think the perfect draft strategy would work now with the start we've had. Especially with the leagues set up.

16 teams

Team QBs

Must draft/start 2QB/4WR/5WR/2TE/@K/2D/1Flex(RB,WR,TE).

You're starting two qb's(not sure I read it correctly)? If so, you should have known qb's would go fast.

Yep, they should be flying off the board in start 2QB leagues.A quick comment on the QBBC talk above. Earlier I mentioned that you could wait to grab either Freeman, Eli or Stafford as QB12 or QB13 in round 7 or later. If you do that you obviously feel obligated to take another QB soon after for insurance purposes. But, that doesn't necessarily mean you want to have a QBBC all year as those "can" be headaches if both guys are up and down with their performances. I personally don't like QBBC at all. Taking two QB's in the mid-rounds, my plan is hitting the bullseye on one of them breaking out as a QB10 or better for the year. Now, the issue is that it takes a few weeks for the smoke to clear to see who's real and who's not in fantasy. So, you'll tend to play QBBC a little more in the first 2-3 weeks until you find out who your guy is going to be. But, if you know your stuff you should be able to pick two guys that have really good odds of breaking out. They are there every year!