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Does Ronnie Brown turn it around? (1 Viewer)

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Just trying to get a consensus on the OTHER bust RB from Auburn...

He's been bad, and the O-line is just not good, but he's got a pretty nice playoff schedule aside from Pats in Week 14 (Bills and Jets in 15/16). You think he has a decent 2nd half, or are the games against CHI, JAX and MIN enough to ensure his season stays down? Are you Ronnie owners trying to deal him for a pile of used jocks? Is anyone taking a chance on buying him reeeeal low?

 
By "turn it around" do you mean to ask if he's going to start sucking? Personally, I think he'll continue along his path of mediocrity to a top ten season.

 
By "turn it around" do you mean to ask if he's going to start sucking? Personally, I think he'll continue along his path of mediocrity to a top ten season.
:confused: So....you think he'll continue being mediocre, or he'll get better and finish top 10? Unclear...or maybe just to me....
 
Yes, the thing to keep in mind is that Ronnie is fairly active in the passing game too. In fact, he is very comparble to Frank Gore. The problem with both is scoring opportunities. Brown's main hinderance has been Mularkey and a tough schedule, Gore's has been fumbling and a tough schedule. Fortunately, for Gore, his schedule eases considerably after Minnesota, Brown's does not. Either make a fine RB2, neither are going to help you 'blow the doors off' your opponent though.

 
I think he's saying since he's already a top 10 RB in most leagues, where do you expect him to go. Right now he's #10 in my league (we give 1/2 point per rec) exactly where I drafted him.

 
By "turn it around" do you mean to ask if he's going to start sucking? Personally, I think he'll continue along his path of mediocrity to a top ten season.
:confused: So....you think he'll continue being mediocre, or he'll get better and finish top 10? Unclear...or maybe just to me....
I guess what most people are saying and me included is that he is ranked in the Top 10 (seventh in the league I own him) for RBs. Personally, I am very happy with that production. Where does he rank in your league among RBs?
 
By "turn it around" do you mean to ask if he's going to start sucking? Personally, I think he'll continue along his path of mediocrity to a top ten season.
:confused: So....you think he'll continue being mediocre, or he'll get better and finish top 10? Unclear...or maybe just to me....
My response was a bit confusing, sorry. I fail to see how you can consider him to be a bust. He has not had any monster games but he's still a top ten rb. What were you expecting from him? 10-12 points a game is not blowing anybody away but it's plenty good enough for him to make it into the top ten at seasons end.I'm expecting more of the same from him.
 
why dont you guys pick on real busts like Bush , Caddalac, Droughns, Jordon, Alexander. At least this dude is carrying his DRAFT weight.

Thats a heck of a lot better then most backs can say!

 
In Brown's first two games with Harrington under center, he had:

1 catch in Week 5.

0 catches in Week 6.

He finally caught 5 balls in Week 7 but that's when Harrington threw 62 times.

My point? Ronnie Brown better start accumulating scores and/or 100 yard games or his value in a PPR league will quickly start to adjust downwards.

I have him in 2 of my 3 leagues and I'm thinking about offering him around with a WR to get a better RB.

 
In Brown's first two games with Harrington under center, he had:1 catch in Week 5.0 catches in Week 6.He finally caught 5 balls in Week 7 but that's when Harrington threw 62 times.My point? Ronnie Brown better start accumulating scores and/or 100 yard games or his value in a PPR league will quickly start to adjust downwards.I have him in 2 of my 3 leagues and I'm thinking about offering him around with a WR to get a better RB.
Might be a good idea especially with Riki in the picture again next year. I also blame Miami's d for average stats. The whole team is under acheiving but Ronnie is holding his value better then anyone.
 
He's RB #13 in my non-PPR league. Considering he was a 1st Round pick... I'd say he's underachieving a bit... but certainly not a BUST ala Cadillac Williams.

 
Because many view Brown similarly to the OP, I decided to throw out some offers for him. I traded Westbrook for RB and Reggie Williams in one league. That was the week Westbrook was out and I, foolishly as it turns out, assumed the injury was going to be more serious. In another league I just pulled off a 4 for 4. It's a Dynasty so the components are confusing so I'm not getting into all that. Bottom line though is that I think Brown is going to have some really good games down the stretch, and might even be "decent" this week against Chicago. (Decent against Chicago is something like 60yds rushing and 20 or 30 yards rec.)

 
You Brown owners are deluding yourselves. To say he has not been a disappointment?

Guy is on pace for 1060 rushing yards, 500 Receiving and 9 TDs with a 3.8 ypc. And his schedule has been very easy with games against Buffalo, Tenn, Hou, Jets, GB. The guy was supposed to be a monster, and he just hasn't produced. In ppr leagues, he's been decent, but in standard scoring leagues he has 1 more point than Ahman Green.

Guy just isn't getting it done and won't get it done this season. I look for his pace to decline as the schedule gets tougher and the O-line continues to be awful.

 
You Brown owners are deluding yourselves. To say he has not been a disappointment?Guy is on pace for 1060 rushing yards, 500 Receiving and 9 TDs with a 3.8 ypc. And his schedule has been very easy with games against Buffalo, Tenn, Hou, Jets, GB. The guy was supposed to be a monster, and he just hasn't produced. In ppr leagues, he's been decent, but in standard scoring leagues he has 1 more point than Ahman Green. Guy just isn't getting it done and won't get it done this season. I look for his pace to decline as the schedule gets tougher and the O-line continues to be awful.
He's right in between Chester Taylor, Willie Parker and Edge in my league at about 17 PPG - about 3 PPG less than Steven Jackson, Tiki Barber, and Frank Gore. At least he is in good company....
 
Do you guys think Ricky Williams cuts into his time next year?

If Ricky is back, I am starting to believe he will. Not because Ricky is that great but because of Sabin. He mostly has used Ronnie only this year, but because I think Sabin believes that is a way to win games. And maybe keeping the back fresh helps that bad OL. Not saying I agree with the idea, but maybe it happens.

 
You Brown owners are deluding yourselves. To say he has not been a disappointment?Guy is on pace for 1060 rushing yards, 500 Receiving and 9 TDs with a 3.8 ypc. And his schedule has been very easy with games against Buffalo, Tenn, Hou, Jets, GB. The guy was supposed to be a monster, and he just hasn't produced. In ppr leagues, he's been decent, but in standard scoring leagues he has 1 more point than Ahman Green. Guy just isn't getting it done and won't get it done this season. I look for his pace to decline as the schedule gets tougher and the O-line continues to be awful.
1560 yards + 9 TDs = 210 ptsFBG projection is 1593 + 9 TDs, or 213 pts:hey:
 
You Brown owners are deluding yourselves. To say he has not been a disappointment?Guy is on pace for 1060 rushing yards, 500 Receiving and 9 TDs with a 3.8 ypc. And his schedule has been very easy with games against Buffalo, Tenn, Hou, Jets, GB. The guy was supposed to be a monster, and he just hasn't produced. In ppr leagues, he's been decent, but in standard scoring leagues he has 1 more point than Ahman Green. Guy just isn't getting it done and won't get it done this season. I look for his pace to decline as the schedule gets tougher and the O-line continues to be awful.
As someone else said, Jets and Buff play tough against Div opponents. GB isn't as bad as everyone thinks.He has issues -- but he's performing in alot of leagues where he was drafted - 9, 10 spot.Now as for it getting worse? Could be. But some of his production has been against D's in situations that were stingier than you give them credit for.
 
I'm pretty sure what he means is will RB become more consistent with Harrington at QB? (Just trying to help you out)

Obviously he has problems running the ball, but his receiving ability is really rescuing his overall numbers, and for many, this is what was expected to begin with. Yes he's underperforming a bit, but most people considered him a high risk player to begin with, and so those that drafted him accept that.

So, I have two answers to what I think you are trying to ask:

1) Will Ronnie Brown's rushing output improve over the 2nd half?

I don't believe so. His problem (indecisiveness primarily) needs a lot of coaching and time to correct, and isn't something that's just going to flip midseason.

2) Will Ronnie Brown's receiving totals become more consistent over the 2nd half?

I think they will. Obviously there was a dip when Harrington went to the helm, but I think many sharks would agree that it is unlikely Culpepper returns this season. Needless to say, should Harrington stay at the helm, which I think he will (for all except perhaps the last game of the season to see what Cleo Lemon can do), RB's numbers should stabilize, and once Harrington becomes wholly confident in dumping off to RB, you may even see an increase.

It's quite likely we'll see an anomaly like Charlie Garner's '02 campaign, where he failed to break 1000 yards but still finished as a top-10 RB due to his receiving totals. Of course the obvious difference is Garner's 5.3ypc to Brown's 3.8, but Brown is getting more carries than Garner was, so the comparison holds for the sake of this question.

It's quite evident, at least as I see it, that most of us (myself included) seem to lack the bigger picture here, in that the fantasy world and the real world are tangential, and just because he's bad at running the ball doesn't mean he's a bad fantasy RB. He's a great receiving back, and so even though we watch him run a drove of 2-yarders, he's still putting up solid numbers.

I'm quite sure he won't break 1000 yards this season, but that doesn't mean he won't still be a solid option. 30 yards rushing and a TD mixed with 60 yards receiving is still a very solid output, garbage time or not. The fantasy world doesn't care.

One final question perhaps to address is:

3) Will Ronnie Brown's output decline over the 2nd half?

This is the make or break question for me. I was very, very notably skeptical of his ability to shoulder a full load, but in looking at his splits this year so far, I don't see anything indicative of slowing down. Will he hit that wall again? It's possible, and it's possible you might see lower numbers because of the tough opponents he's going to face before the playoffs, and then he might happen to hit that wall then and continue to perform at that level even against the softer competition.

This is really something that only watching pure game film is going to be able to help predict, and though I've watched several Dolphins games this year, I haven't watched Brown closely enough recently to be able to tell you if it looks like he is starting to wear, although I suspect the answer is probably no at this point.

 
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Just trying to get a consensus on the OTHER bust RB from Auburn...He's been bad, and the O-line is just not good, but he's got a pretty nice playoff schedule aside from Pats in Week 14 (Bills and Jets in 15/16). You think he has a decent 2nd half, or are the games against CHI, JAX and MIN enough to ensure his season stays down? Are you Ronnie owners trying to deal him for a pile of used jocks? Is anyone taking a chance on buying him reeeeal low?
#10 RB in my non-PPR league.Bust? :no:I remember when this fourm was populated with people that knew stuff.
 
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In my non-PPR league, Brown is currently #11, but only 8 points behind #5:

L. Tomlinson 165.94

L. Johnson 153.30

B. Westbrook 128.10

S. Jackson 106.40

K. Jones 98.00

W. Parker 95.90

F. Gore 94.20

T. Barber 93.70

C. Portis 92.90

R. Johnson 91.00

R. Brown 90.00

Not nearly as bad as some are making him out to be for non-PPR. And he could easily improve in the last 9 games.

EDIT to add: Why does Brown get labeled as a bust but not Tiki, Portis, or Rudi? All three of those RBs were typically drafted before Brown (well, maybe not Portis, depending on draft date) and have similar point totals. And Caddy, Jordan, and James were all drafted right around Brown and have all performed much worse. Alexander... much worse. I mean, how many first round RBs have done a better job relative to their draft position? Not many.

 
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In my non-PPR league, Brown is currently #11, but only 8 points behind #5:L. Tomlinson 165.94L. Johnson 153.30B. Westbrook 128.10S. Jackson 106.40K. Jones 98.00W. Parker 95.90F. Gore 94.20T. Barber 93.70C. Portis 92.90R. Johnson 91.00R. Brown 90.00Not nearly as bad as some are making him out to be for non-PPR. And he could easily improve in the last 9 games.EDIT to add: Why does Brown get labeled as a bust but not Tiki, Portis, or Rudi? All three of those RBs were typically drafted before Brown (well, maybe not Portis, depending on draft date) and have similar point totals. And Caddy, Jordan, and James were all drafted right around Brown and have all performed much worse. Alexander... much worse. I mean, how many first round RBs have done a better job relative to their draft position? Not many.
For a guy getting almost every carry for his team including goaline and 3rd down-1600 and 9 TD are as close to as bad as you can do (except for Edge). And I don't see him improving. The Miami Dolphins are in shambles.In the preseason, I looked at the Dolphins schedule and I saw a possible 10 win team. They will be lucky to win 4. Ronnie would have been huge had they at least been respectable. He hasn't lived up to expectations.
 
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In my non-PPR league, Brown is currently #11, but only 8 points behind #5:L. Tomlinson 165.94L. Johnson 153.30B. Westbrook 128.10S. Jackson 106.40K. Jones 98.00W. Parker 95.90F. Gore 94.20T. Barber 93.70C. Portis 92.90R. Johnson 91.00R. Brown 90.00Not nearly as bad as some are making him out to be for non-PPR. And he could easily improve in the last 9 games.EDIT to add: Why does Brown get labeled as a bust but not Tiki, Portis, or Rudi? All three of those RBs were typically drafted before Brown (well, maybe not Portis, depending on draft date) and have similar point totals. And Caddy, Jordan, and James were all drafted right around Brown and have all performed much worse. Alexander... much worse. I mean, how many first round RBs have done a better job relative to their draft position? Not many.
For a guy getting almost every carry for his team including goaline and 3rd down-1600 and 9 TD are as close to as bad as you can do (except for Edge). And I don't see him improving. The Miami Dolphins are in shambles.
I think this is a valid point, but reiterates what I said earlier.Most people (myself included) feel that in watching him run, and how he obviously lacks the necessary vision and decisiveness right now to be any good, we feel he's a bum, and are wondering when he's going to emerge as the back he was hyped up to be from the combine two years ago.But also regressing to the point I made right after that, it doesn't matter because his receiving numbers are nullifying this.
 
I am about sick of hearing that R Brown is at fault. Let me ask you all this, if you have a horrible leader, horrible o-coordinater, horrible line, horrible QB doesn't that mean a ####ty RB, ####ty WR. Why is there no blame on Chambers (even though he is awesome, his numbers suck). Listen, everyone needs to quit crying and blame the guy who has been exposed and that is Saban. He does not know what to do with less than avg talent (case and point at LSU, he only had top 10 talent every year). Malarkey sucks, get him out.

 
MLBrandow said:
LivingTheDream said:
Just Win Baby said:
In my non-PPR league, Brown is currently #11, but only 8 points behind #5:

L. Tomlinson 165.94

L. Johnson 153.30

B. Westbrook 128.10

S. Jackson 106.40

K. Jones 98.00

W. Parker 95.90

F. Gore 94.20

T. Barber 93.70

C. Portis 92.90

R. Johnson 91.00

R. Brown 90.00

Not nearly as bad as some are making him out to be for non-PPR. And he could easily improve in the last 9 games.

EDIT to add: Why does Brown get labeled as a bust but not Tiki, Portis, or Rudi? All three of those RBs were typically drafted before Brown (well, maybe not Portis, depending on draft date) and have similar point totals. And Caddy, Jordan, and James were all drafted right around Brown and have all performed much worse. Alexander... much worse. I mean, how many first round RBs have done a better job relative to their draft position? Not many.
For a guy getting almost every carry for his team including goaline and 3rd down-1600 and 9 TD are as close to as bad as you can do (except for Edge). And I don't see him improving. The Miami Dolphins are in shambles.
I think this is a valid point, but reiterates what I said earlier.Most people (myself included) feel that in watching him run, and how he obviously lacks the necessary vision and decisiveness right now to be any good, we feel he's a bum, and are wondering when he's going to emerge as the back he was hyped up to be from the combine two years ago.

But also regressing to the point I made right after that, it doesn't matter because his receiving numbers are nullifying this.
He lacks holes to run through and a line that blocks well.. If you had actually watched him run you would see that he has fought for every single yard he has. If he makes 7 yards, it is after getting initial contact in the backfield.And "most people" are idiots. "Most people" think Everyone Loves Raymond is a good TV show.

 
He lacks holes to run through and a line that blocks well.. If you had actually watched him run you would see that he has fought for every single yard he has. If he makes 7 yards, it is after getting initial contact in the backfield.And "most people" are idiots. "Most people" think Everyone Loves Raymond is a good TV show.
You'll also notice when you watch him play that he likes to stop before initial contact in the open field and a) do an irish jig, b) brace for impact, c) a, then b.
 
Just trying to get a consensus on the OTHER bust RB from Auburn...He's been bad, and the O-line is just not good, but he's got a pretty nice playoff schedule aside from Pats in Week 14 (Bills and Jets in 15/16). You think he has a decent 2nd half, or are the games against CHI, JAX and MIN enough to ensure his season stays down? Are you Ronnie owners trying to deal him for a pile of used jocks? Is anyone taking a chance on buying him reeeeal low?
#10 RB in my non-PPR league.Bust? :no:I remember when this fourm was populated with people that knew stuff.
yeah yeah, fantasy guru, settle down. maybe "bust" was strong, but he's certainly not putting up the reliable, weekly RB1 numbers that people who drafted him as high as #5, 6, 7 expected. me, i had him as a late first-rounder, so i have no sympathy for people who reached for him. but still, his numbers, while respectable as a whole and able to be spun into respectable fantasy production, are simply underwhelming. not cadillac underwhelming, admittedly -- and i was wrong again to compare him to that mutt -- but not first round material, IMO. those who have him as the #8 RB in their leagues, etc. must have some pretty heavy PPR numbers because he's only topped 100-yards rushing once, and only has 4 TDs (2 in the PITT game). and, yes, i also think edge, portis, tiki et al are equal/even worse, "busts". blame the fins line, blame that semi-trained chimp and RB value-killer mularkey, blame canada...but at some point a good/great running back has to produce under inferior team conditions (e.g. LT on the bad charger teams) and brown just isn't doing that yet. not a bust but just.....pedestrian.
 
Just trying to get a consensus on the OTHER bust RB from Auburn...He's been bad, and the O-line is just not good, but he's got a pretty nice playoff schedule aside from Pats in Week 14 (Bills and Jets in 15/16). You think he has a decent 2nd half, or are the games against CHI, JAX and MIN enough to ensure his season stays down? Are you Ronnie owners trying to deal him for a pile of used jocks? Is anyone taking a chance on buying him reeeeal low?
#10 RB in my non-PPR league.Bust? :no:I remember when this fourm was populated with people that knew stuff.
yeah yeah, fantasy guru, settle down. maybe "bust" was strong, but he's certainly not putting up the reliable, weekly RB1 numbers that people who drafted him as high as #5, 6, 7 expected. me, i had him as a late first-rounder, so i have no sympathy for people who reached for him. but still, his numbers, while respectable as a whole and able to be spun into respectable fantasy production, are simply underwhelming. not cadillac underwhelming, admittedly -- and i was wrong again to compare him to that mutt -- but not first round material, IMO. those who have him as the #8 RB in their leagues, etc. must have some pretty heavy PPR numbers because he's only topped 100-yards rushing once, and only has 4 TDs (2 in the PITT game). and, yes, i also think edge, portis, tiki et al are equal/even worse, "busts". blame the fins line, blame that semi-trained chimp and RB value-killer mularkey, blame canada...but at some point a good/great running back has to produce under inferior team conditions (e.g. LT on the bad charger teams) and brown just isn't doing that yet. not a bust but just.....pedestrian.
He is a top 10 RB, expecting more out of a late first round choice is expecting too much. Sure I would like to get more, but he is performing about where he should be expected to.I have said it before, if you are losing and you took Brown in the first round, it is not Browns fault. It is the rest of your team.
 
Just trying to get a consensus on the OTHER bust RB from Auburn...He's been bad, and the O-line is just not good, but he's got a pretty nice playoff schedule aside from Pats in Week 14 (Bills and Jets in 15/16). You think he has a decent 2nd half, or are the games against CHI, JAX and MIN enough to ensure his season stays down? Are you Ronnie owners trying to deal him for a pile of used jocks? Is anyone taking a chance on buying him reeeeal low?
#10 RB in my non-PPR league.Bust? :no:I remember when this fourm was populated with people that knew stuff.
yeah yeah, fantasy guru, settle down. maybe "bust" was strong, but he's certainly not putting up the reliable, weekly RB1 numbers that people who drafted him as high as #5, 6, 7 expected. me, i had him as a late first-rounder, so i have no sympathy for people who reached for him. but still, his numbers, while respectable as a whole and able to be spun into respectable fantasy production, are simply underwhelming. not cadillac underwhelming, admittedly -- and i was wrong again to compare him to that mutt -- but not first round material, IMO. those who have him as the #8 RB in their leagues, etc. must have some pretty heavy PPR numbers because he's only topped 100-yards rushing once, and only has 4 TDs (2 in the PITT game). and, yes, i also think edge, portis, tiki et al are equal/even worse, "busts". blame the fins line, blame that semi-trained chimp and RB value-killer mularkey, blame canada...but at some point a good/great running back has to produce under inferior team conditions (e.g. LT on the bad charger teams) and brown just isn't doing that yet. not a bust but just.....pedestrian.
He is a top 10 RB, expecting more out of a late first round choice is expecting too much. Sure I would like to get more, but he is performing about where he should be expected to.I have said it before, if you are losing and you took Brown in the first round, it is not Browns fault. It is the rest of your team.
don't get me wrong, i'm pulling for brown to have a killer 2nd half----just traded FOR him.
 
don't get me wrong, i'm pulling for brown to have a killer 2nd half----just traded FOR him.
And don't get me wrong either, when I said "if you are losing" I did not mean you specifically.I think right now is a GREAT time to trade for Brown, for whatever reason he has a rep as a "bust" when in reality it is not true, and has a soft SoS.He can probably be had for a song in most leagues.Out of curiosity, what did you give up for him?
 
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Ronnie '06 reminds me a lot of Portis '05. He started out slow, yet was very consistant, averaging about 10ppg. Then toward the last third of the season, he went nuts. Here's hoping Ronnie does the same thing.

 
j3r3m3y said:
I have said it before, if you are losing and you took Brown in the first round, it is not Browns fault. It is the rest of your team.
:goodposting:In one 14 team league, he was my first round choice at 1.9 (and I also took Bush at 3.9 as my second drafted RB), but my team is in second place right now. And that league is not PPR. I posted its current rankings above... Brown is #11, but he is only 8 fantasy points behind #5.Plenty of people on these boards like to say "you can't win your league in the first round, but you can lose it". It does not appear that taking Brown in the first round this year will win anyone's league, but it also won't lose it.
 
j3r3m3y said:
tick dog said:
don't get me wrong, i'm pulling for brown to have a killer 2nd half----just traded FOR him.
And don't get me wrong either, when I said "if you are losing" I did not mean you specifically.I think right now is a GREAT time to trade for Brown, for whatever reason he has a rep as a "bust" when in reality it is not true, and has a soft SoS.He can probably be had for a song in most leagues.Out of curiosity, what did you give up for him?
it was a pretty big one..i gave up: peyton, tj housh, j.norwood (traded with dunn owner)i got back: vick, steve smith, ronnie brown. hated losing peyton, obviously, but vick's the #3 ranked QB in our league and on the rise, peytonis #2; TJ has been great lately, but henry being back cuts into his catches, IMO, and smith is a flat-out monster in this format (PPR, bonuses for long TDs/100yd games); and ronnie for norwood (bench fodder for me) was a steal. plus, i'm 6-2 and playoffs looking likely, and i shivered at the thought of another "indy clinches in week 12, peyton plays less down the stretch" nightmares. a fair deal, but i think i did OK on it longterm.
 
I have watched RB play quite a bit this year and it is clear to me that he is extremely talented - runs hard, breaks tackles, has great hands in the passing game. What continues to keep his numbers where they are is the play calling. He only averages 17 carries a game, which when compared to other top RB, is attrocious (LJ=25, LT=22, SJax=22, Tiki=22, Chester=21). An extra 5 - 7 carries a game would mean an extra 20 -30 yrds/game for RB. Until Mularkey either gets his head out of his a-pore or Saban starts calling the plays, I don't think RB's numbers change that much for the rest of the season unfortunately. RB is Miami's best player and it's a crime how they use him.

And yes, I'm an RB owner who is somewhat satsified but still steamed becuase I truly believe RB could have been a top 5 RB this year with a decent OC.

 
Ronnie has been hands down the most consistent RB this season IMO. Not spectacular... but consistent.

His lowest FF prodution in my league has been 9.6. His high being about 19.

I'll take his 10+ points every single week. You can't count on that from too many backs (asides from the obvious few).

 
157 yards on the ground on 29 carries. In Chicago, no less.

Will the "RB is a bust" theory finally end?

 
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157 yards on the ground on 29 carries. In Chicago, no less.Will the "RB is a bust" theory finally end?
No because most people drafted him at 6,7 or 8 and seem to expect that to net them the #2 or #3 overall RB.I am very happy with his consistent contribution to my team this year.
 

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