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Does Tom Coughlin need to go? (1 Viewer)

These threads are the worst. NY sports fans... <_<

How about you bump one of the many, many threads with the same topic that were created during one of the seasons where Coughlin won the SB? Then this insanity could be put into perspective.

Edit - Thanks BassNBrew, that's pretty much /thread

 
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These threads are the worst. NY sports fans... <_<

How about you bump one of the many, many threads with the same topic that were created during one of the seasons where Coughlin won the SB? Then this insanity could be put into perspective.

Edit - Thanks BassNBrew, that's pretty much /thread
again to be fair it may be more David Wilson owners than giants fans saying this

part of the reason for this thread was to find out

 
:lmao:

if anyone bumps this in the future I am not advocating canning him, i simply brought the discussion from the David Wilson thread to here
I was having a moment of deja vu when I saw this thread.

The Giants are only one game back and will beat Carolina by double digits next week. Washington suxor. Philly is a Vick injury away from dropping out of contention. Dallas is Dallas. 9-7 probably wins the division.

 
No, Coughlin's not really the problem. I recently read his book "Earn the Right to Win." In it, he describes how he's changed his style to fit the times. Overall, he's very scheduled, precise, planned, and fair. Guys like Strahan love the guy.

There are several issues behind how the Giants are playing right now. First, injuries that are hurting the pass rush, which exacerbates the poor secondary play. This puts the team behind, so Eli starts to force his passes. He knows his running game is a mess right now and so do other teams, so they are playing the pass anyway. His INTs aren't a big surprise under these conditions, especially since throughout his career he's been known to throw some egregious ones during the regular season.

The front office and coaching staff erred in putting all their running game marbles on an RB with fumbling and pass protection issues. I understand not bringing back Bradshaw but NY left itself thin at the position and reliant on a guy with a lot of question marks.

 
i have not read his book, but i thought the way the team approached him and saidn "dude chill" and he was able to adjust really speaks volumes about him. Most hard core old school coaches would not or could not have done that.

The giants are either a really great team that plays well below their ability a lot of the time, and plays up to it on runs to the super bowl

or they are a really average team that has managed to put together a couple of great runs to win super bowls

(or somewhere in between)

I have leaned towards the second and give much of the credit to coughlin (and eli)

 
i have not read his book, but i thought the way the team approached him and saidn "dude chill" and he was able to adjust really speaks volumes about him. Most hard core old school coaches would not or could not have done that.

The giants are either a really great team that plays well below their ability a lot of the time, and plays up to it on runs to the super bowl

or they are a really average team that has managed to put together a couple of great runs to win super bowls

(or somewhere in between)

I have leaned towards the second and give much of the credit to coughlin (and eli)
Coughlin admitted in the book that his wife and ownership said he needed to improve his relationship with his players and the media, so he set about learning how to do so.

It wasn't easy, because Coughlin grew up a military child, went to Catholic school, and played football for a disciplinarian coach at Syracuse. So that's all he knew.

So although he admits he has a temper and high expectation, Coughlin has tried to become more positive in his feedback, more communicative, and a bit more patient than he used to be. Strahan said he used hate playing for him but eventually came to see the benefits of Coughlin's emphasis on preparation and team. Other big fans of Coughlin are Doug Flutie and Eli.

Actually, much of his preparation style was ahead of the times. He wanted all sorts of metrics (now labeled analytics) about other teams, his own facilities, etc. to see where his team could get an edge. He believes in sound preparation because it eliminates much of the team's uncertainty and lets them focus on the the game. One kicker from his Jacksonville days said Coughlin was the only coach that would bother to watch him in practice and chart his performance and provide advice during games.

On top of that, Coughlin's a good guy. He started a cancer foundation to help families financially and logistically after losing a player to cancer during his days coaching at BC.

His book is an enjoyable and quick read. I came away with a lot of respect for Coughlin after reading it.

 
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After a start @ Dallas and then vs the buzzsaw that is the broncos? Nah he shouldn't be fired. I think 9-7 wins that division and if he can rally the troops then they'll be fine.

 
I think David Wilson owners should start a class action suit against Coughlin. They have a case.
This would be like the burglar who sued the homeowner because he tripped and stabbed himself with a knife that was laying around..... while he was trying to rob the homeowner.

Wilson's issues are his own problems and fault. You cannot possibly say that Coughlin hasn't done everything to give him the opportunities to be successful.

So many cases on these boards of people blaming coaches, when it's the players that didn't do their job.

 
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So in his own book he has said he has made mistakes and corrected them, so it is impossible to think he could be making a mistake in the running game, and with the way he is teaching Wilson how to hold the ball.

He is a great coach and shouldn't be fired for 2 games. Does the team need a new voice or direction to lead them to victories? I don't know, maybe maybe not, but Coughlin has earned the right to try to fix it this year and next year too, but to act like he is without blame for what has happened this year because he has won 2 Super Bowls is insane.

Running the ball 16 times as a team going into the 4th quarter of a 1 score game, against a team with an offense you are trying to keep off the field is bad game planning.

 
So in his own book he has said he has made mistakes and corrected them, so it is impossible to think he could be making a mistake in the running game, and with the way he is teaching Wilson how to hold the ball.

He is a great coach and shouldn't be fired for 2 games. Does the team need a new voice or direction to lead them to victories? I don't know, maybe maybe not, but Coughlin has earned the right to try to fix it this year and next year too, but to act like he is without blame for what has happened this year because he has won 2 Super Bowls is insane.

Running the ball 16 times as a team going into the 4th quarter of a 1 score game, against a team with an offense you are trying to keep off the field is bad game planning.
sure it is possible

it is also possible that watching his RB core through last season, the off season, the preseason, practice, and the first 2 games he has a better handle on who he has than David Wilson owners on fantasy football web sites. It is possible his opinion on David Wilson and how much he should or should not use him is founded on information other than 40 times.

 
So in his own book he has said he has made mistakes and corrected them, so it is impossible to think he could be making a mistake in the running game, and with the way he is teaching Wilson how to hold the ball.

He is a great coach and shouldn't be fired for 2 games. Does the team need a new voice or direction to lead them to victories? I don't know, maybe maybe not, but Coughlin has earned the right to try to fix it this year and next year too, but to act like he is without blame for what has happened this year because he has won 2 Super Bowls is insane.

Running the ball 16 times as a team going into the 4th quarter of a 1 score game, against a team with an offense you are trying to keep off the field is bad game planning.
sure it is possibleit is also possible that watching his RB core through last season, the off season, the preseason, practice, and the first 2 games he has a better handle on who he has than David Wilson owners on fantasy football web sites. It is possible his opinion on David Wilson and how much he should or should not use him is founded on information other than 40 times.
Watching the way he had Wilson holding that ball to start the game I think everyone in the world would disagree with it

 
Off shoot from the mind boggling David Wilson thread.

The questions are:

Is Coughlin done?

Would the giants be better off without him?

Are his ways, which worked in the past, now obsolete?

What are the chances he gets let go after this season?
The guy's won 2 SBs and just prior to both wins he was on the hot seat to get fired. That guy has earned his right to coach as long as he wants for the Giants, the guy can win without superior talent, a very underrated coach. As a Cowboy fan I hope the Giants do get rid of him because he is a heck of a coach.

 
T with T said:
Tc sucks period.
This is his 10th year as Giants HC

He has had just one sub .500 season with the Giants (2004 his 1st year) and a pair of Super Bowl rings

 
No, Coughlin shouldn't be fired.

Fewell, yes I can see an argument for that. It seems like the defense isn't as attacking as it was under Spags.

Gilbride, his Giant offenses I believe have ranked in the top 10 each year. The only knocks I have is that the offense is so complicated that there is a long learning curve for players to learn it. Particularly tough on WRs and the TE because on the fly they have to read the defense and hopefully read it the same way as Eli. They'd probably be helped if they could hang onto any descent TE for more than a year.

Coughlin might be having trouble adjusting to the way the new CBA has limited the time teams can get players ready for the season. Last year, they had camp in Albany, where if it rains they'd go indoors to an area that wasn't suited for football practice. This year they stayed at home where they have an indoor practice field for bad weather days. Despite that, the team seems to still be in preseason form.

Part of the woes is an aging interior line. The team hasn't had success developing Olinemen drafted in the in the mid to late rounds into starters. Maybe the offensive line coach needs to go?

 
bottom line he is to stupid to give Wilson the ball.... I don't know why he is that dumb but for some reason he is not letting him get any carries and Brandon Jacobs haha laughable is getting more work... unbelievable. The guy had a bad night and lost his job overnight really stupid... lot's or rbs fumble it's part of the game.

 
Wow. And Eagles fans get trashed for the way we treated Andy Reid?

This guy has won two Super Bowls. Yeah, they are 0-2 this year, but they lost at Dallas (a decent, but perhaps not great, team) and home against Denver (arguably the best team in the AFC).

 
Yeah, this is pretty much how Coughlin's Giants play. They'll probably end up making the Wild Card at 8 - 8 and Eli will go on to win a Super Bowl against the 18 - 0 Broncos or something.

Lmao, never count this team out. The Cowboys and Broncos are contenders and if the Giants can put away lesser teams they can definitely make the playoffs.

 
Wow. And Eagles fans get trashed for the way we treated Andy Reid?

This guy has won two Super Bowls. Yeah, they are 0-2 this year, but they lost at Dallas (a decent, but perhaps not great, team) and home against Denver (arguably the best team in the AFC).
These aren't Giants fans that I can see. They are jilted Wilson owners.
 
As a Giants fan, I'd appreciate someone letting me know how long I am supposed to wait since their last Superbowl to be critical of Coughlin. TIA.

 
As a Giants fan, I'd appreciate someone letting me know how long I am supposed to wait since their last Superbowl to be critical of Coughlin. TIA.
This feels relevant to every Coughlin fan; current NYG look like they have no leadership.

 
Wow, NYG getting totally dismantled by a below-average Car team. NYG look horrendous in the trenches on both sides.

 
When your offensive line plays this way you could have Montana back there and Jim Brown as your back and it wouldn't matter.

 
Something has to be done ... Either Coughlin or Gilbride has to go.

This cant continue another week ... The weird thing is this line isn't much different than last year how did it get so much worse?

 
Something has to be done ... Either Coughlin or Gilbride has to go.

This cant continue another week ... The weird thing is this line isn't much different than last year how did it get so much worse?
They've been spending every practice working on their twerking.

 
I think he is handling the running game and Wilson wrong. With that said, he is a great coach, but we see this in sports all the time after a while you just need a new voice in there. You seen it with the Red Sox and Terry Francona, it happened in Green Bay with Mike Holgrem, and in Philly with Andy Reid.
Holmgren did not get fired from Green Bay, in fact, no one wanted him to leave. He chose to leave so he could try being both coach and GM, which turned out to be too much for him. Green Bay has yet to have a coach as good as him since.

 
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As a Giants fan, I'd appreciate someone letting me know how long I am supposed to wait since their last Superbowl to be critical of Coughlin. TIA.
How many super bowls does he have to win to prove he's most likely better than Replacement Coach X?

 
I think he is handling the running game and Wilson wrong. With that said, he is a great coach, but we see this in sports all the time after a while you just need a new voice in there. You seen it with the Red Sox and Terry Francona, it happened in Green Bay with Mike Holgrem, and in Philly with Andy Reid.
Holmgren did not get fired from Green Bay, in fact, no one wanted him to leave. He chose to leave so he could try being both coach and GM, which turned out to be too much for him. Green Bay has yet to have a coach as good as him since.
I know this, I had already posted that I made a mistake in my facts a few posts after.

 

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